Jimmy's perspective of Valve supporting other manufacture iteration, like the Asus rog, is myopic. Valve has a bigger picture of the problem, which is to get portables and other pc platform solutions using the steam os on more devices because, as a whole, everyone wins. It's not about being a monopoly, but always about a more pragmatic vision of gaming as a whole. Better to have allies against giants like Apple, Microsoft and etc, than to fight alone. - if you ever spoke to Gabe or heard him speak, you'd know this.
@@DeckReady i believe the goal behind that is to use the handhelds as a testing ground as a dev i use my steam deck and my old toaster more then i use my high power pc because when i optimize for the low power option the high power option gets to reap the benefits
@@DeckReadyman that would be nice but that would overwhelm that team. I work for a billion dollar company and that would overwhelm us dude. This slow roll makes sense IF they want to keep people. I can’t imagine the number of tickets they would get if they released for all hardware
@@nanashi5139 the LCD is pretty much the same there’s not enough of a difference to upgrade for some people stop being biased and a 1:32 idiot if you prefer oled than that’s you
@@nanashi5139the battery on the oled gives like a hour difference at 50% brightness sure the colors are beautiful but is throwing away money being cheap?
@@tommyguy2flyI mean everything is a concept lol and the value of said something is based on it’s usefulness in every day life if money means so little to you throw it out and don’t pay your bills
After the Gamer Nexus video series about ASUS focusing on their RMA experience with their original Ally, I'm not surprised people aren't buying a lot of the Ally series. I can get behind the whole "It can run Windows!" vibe, despite not being a fan of the OS, because everybody has their own preferences. But the way ASUS treats their customers if a problem arises, I won't be interested in buying any of their products anytime soon.
Oh man, docked is great with a tv. I ended up getting the oled special edition and set up my old Deck with my parents favorite retro games. They are so happy. I had to go through a few different bluetooth controllers but now my 70 year old father is happy a peach playing his "nintendo"
Its almost impossible for Valve to prepare drivers for every single hardware configuration possible. Manufacturers like Asus are expected to provide their own drivers for Windows, which they have decades of experience doing. And for most Linux distros, the community finds or makes those drivers. If that's what you want, Bazzite/HoloISO/ChimeraOS is already available. They're literally no different, except Valve focused on optimizing Steam OS for Steam Deck hardware. These "alternatives" are just reverse engineered Steam OS front end, and slapped it on a distro of their choice. They're not exactly fan made OSs. They're literally just SteamOS, since SteamOS is more of a program sitting on top of a slightly modified Arch Linux instead of a whole OS itself. The only reason you'd want SteamOS over Bazzite/HoloISO/ChimeraOS is that thorough dedicated hardware support, which they can only do by targeting specific hardware. Otherwise if they just throw it out there, you'll just be spending time browsing community forums for support - which goes against the whole appeal of the Steam Deck where "it just works".
I used to think that way until I saw the controllers, bluetooth devices, driverless support the steam operating system has. I like Mint/Ubuntu but you will never get it to work that well unless you really know what you're doing. Remember, all this works through Wine/Proton, which is not easy to configure properly.
@@ferteknocyberpunkDo you have any specific examples? All of the drivers are handled by the kernel, which is (for this discussions sake) the same across all Linux distributions. There are reasons to choose SteamOS on a hand held, but that's more configuration then hardware.
@@s1ocky i don't think the gnu/unix kernel supports (for example) the xbox/ps/switch controllers by default. maybe i'm wrong, if it does it would amaze me. used to daily drive ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04 and getting a regular usb 6-button (diy) stick controller was a nightmare to setup on retropie (raspberry pi zero 2 w). i basically had to use a basic usb controller layout and map every single button. I don't know how they do it on steamos, but all my controllers "just work" and i don't need to map anything nor calibrate it.
I really do hope Valve do return and look into a steam machine. With so many mini PCs bloating the market, it’s frustrating to know that valve could provide a more define experience. I play my steam deck more than my desktop because I love the OS experience. It’s literally a console experience without the performance I’d like, especially docked to a TV. I know we have big picture mode but I don’t want a full sized tower in my living room. I also don’t want to shell out for new components to try and make it a fraction of the size. I like how consoles have a set hardware to run on an optimised OS. If valve entered this like they did with the steam deck it would be game changing.
Valve didnt work with AMD to make its custom chip, it was custom chip that was made for microsoft surface but microsoft bailed on them in last moment. Valve just got it for good price since AMD didnt have anyone else that wanted massproduce it.
that probably explains why it doesnt have the features of the switch, like barely any battery consumption when you let it sleep, or make the console sleep while a game is paused.
@@joshuadisimone9618 Not a rumor, I dont know about the Microsoft thing but the Steam Deck chip is used in the Magic Leap 2 AR glasses, thats why the die of the original Steam Deck has unused 14 cores of vision compute units, so the chip in the Deck was never custom for Valve.
@@ivand5699but then the Sephiroth APU in the OLED seems to be tailored for the Steam deck. Wouldn’t be very surprised if the next gen Steam Deck uses a Z2 variant with smaller tweaks too make it seem more custom (Dieshrink or some custom HW for Machine Learning upscaling like DLSS/PSSR). We probably won’t see any devices with Z2 until the end of Q1 and Ally 2 during Q3. If Valve wait for a die shrink and some custom fittings that lifts it up 10-15% over the Z2 it will be quite a substantial performance gain over the SD OLED.
it kind of already is the year of linux the amount of people switching over to linux is insane you can play nearly every game only games with anti cheat which is near impossible to beat
Nvidia has never provided open sourced drivers for their products which is sad. I have always preferred their graphics cards to others and my usage goes back to the 1990s. With Steam I have been forces into the Radeon camp kicking and screaming. I do applaud AMDs open sourcing their drivers however.
NVK and Nova are a good look at the future of Nvidia drivers. Nvidia has hired the Noveau lead developer, and they've open sourced some of their driver APIs for the ~20 series and later architectures. (somehow the 1660 also counts under it, don't ask me lol) Nvidia has gotten better under Wayland with 550 bringing the Explicit Sync support requirements. Nvidia 560 drivers fixed important bugs for users as well. I have been daily driving Wayland since the beginning of the year and my games just... work. Granted I *do* use the proprietary driver, but am tempted to test out Nova when it's ready.
I'd like a console version that has the same performance level at a higher resolution that's suitable for a TV. Taking the base handheld, if you remove the screen and battery you can probably save 100$. Use that to upgrade the GPU, RAM, and storage. Add a controller and a few more ports. Voila, you have a $500 console that doubles as a desktop PC and plays all your existing PC games.
I am new to steam deck and never had a PC gaming system. I am thinking of getting the steam deck but still looking into it. I’ve been watching lots of videos and still under the fence. Is it worth getting guys just wanted to ask?
@@smallbutdeadly931 Hi I actually made it decision and ordered the oled 512. I received it last Thursday and am so loving the steam deck right now. Literally haven’t put it down and as I’m new to Steam there is so many games to choose from. But so glad I made the choice of getting a steam deck.
Technically SteamOS 3.6 does not update the Archlinux version, as Archlinux is a rolling release distribution, meaning it doesn't have a version and package updates come whenever they come (just like discord updates are not only coming with new windows versions). What is probably meant is that SteamOS 3.6 updates all packages to the latest versions in the Archlinux repos. Anyways that is just a minor detail, and in the end it's effectively the same.
@@nostalgianinja that's true yes, the kernel was updated to a newer version too. Tbh I don't have a steam deck (yet) so I don't know how SteamOS releases updates. Are there package / kernel updates outside of SteamOS updates?
Personal experience I’ve also noticed my deck running a lot quieter, and a lot cooler than before with the new update update on top of that I I’m pretty sure valve is going to continue to support earlier models even after the steam deck 2
Valve is focusing on competitor hardware cause then they're buying games on Steam instead of other platforms first.. Valve is a software first company, they make money on any transaction made on the platform.
Took the leap and ordered the 1Tb edition, just now the waiting game is killing me lol. Main thing i want is to put emudeck and play all the classics on a portable system easily.
Yup have the same one since launch. Was tempted to upgrade to the Oled 1TB version but decided I'll hold off for the next steam deck since my LCD is flawless and any game I've played on it has been great. Recently added Emudeck with all of the emulators and that has increased my consumption. WiiU is a joy to play on the lcd 512gb. Now I have to transfer my retro games to an sd card because I'm running out of storage.
I think it's a mistake to assume that the next Steam Deck will be more powerful than a hypothetical Z3 Extreme. The "generational leap" Valve are looking for isn't just performance, but performance per watt. Without radical advances in cooling (Frore AirJet?) and battery chemistry, the only way to make a better portable device is to pull the average power consumption down below the 15W cap. I don't think Valve will ever make the most powerful handheld. Other companies specialize in that, and once Valve can ship SteamOS on their devices, they can let Asus/Lenovo/etc. cater to that segment of the market, while Valve focuses on making the most efficient handheld instead.
As far as steam deck goes, I don't want the most powerful handheld. Valve has stated they like the Nintendo approach and in this case I agree. However, Nintendo was too aggressive with scraping the bottom of the barrel for parts cost to performance ratio. What I do want is a default medium to high settings, 1080p, 60fps+, 3-4-hour battery life experience at minimum. If I could take it further, I want a machine that can run/stream VR at above the quest 3 spec, like an actual desktop chip, not a mobile chip.
I went back to games it ran not 100% at 30+ all the time, I'm surprise Hogwarts Legacy ran really well then last I played on the steam deck even on a SD card.
Valve should also have international shipping, n many countries you have to use a mailbox carrier with office in US to bring it make in it really expensive. For the same price you can build a monster pc
The Deck uses an a/b system for the updates. If an update fails on A it can switch to the still valid B install. Be very careful with your next update.
A steam deck 2 in 2027 or 2028 is ridiculous now way it takes that long. They’d shoot themselves in the foot. A steam deck 2 needs to come out next year at the latest
I’m just waiting for a steam deck 2. I love my OLED but I want a little more power for what I use it for and a 1440p screen. I doubt a deck 2 will be able to reach that but fingers crossed 🤞
1440p on a Steam Deck wouldn't make sense. It'd be like buying a Ferrari for grocery shopping when at the moment you have a very fuel efficient toyota aygo
@Mr.JesseR the point of it being 1440p is to be better when you doc it mostly. I genuinely love playing on it and if I could doc it to my monitor and get 1440 solid out of it I would be very happy.
the issue where you have to pop the sd card out and back in is also an issue on win11; I purchased mine with it installed already. it had the issue and I thought it was a hardware or windows driver issue since it had been upgraded (256gb => 512gb ssd). windows doesnt even see the card anymore until I pop it out and back in
2025/2026 that steam deck realese window based on amd tech raod map amd is going to realese new monstor apus for handeld and thin lite notebooks ( go check amd strix pint halo) and valve will have to adopt them or they going to be like comparing i phone 4 to 16 in term of performance.
We don’t need a steam deck 2 I think valve should just make a more powerful motherboard for the steam deck LCD and OLED. And sell it to us as an upgrade and we install it are selfs.
So is Steam going to fix the fact that BattleEye won’t allow us to play GTA online? Rockstar just implemented this without thinking for the Linux users.
I am a little disappointed with the pending release of steamos 3 on the rog Ally but, it is a handheld oa at its core. Hopefully we get an official iso before the end of year 2024
The biggest problem I have with the steam deck is he Home Screen is not customizable. My Home Screen is full of games the are not even downloaded on my device. Games that don’t even work on my steam deck are on my Home Screen and I can’t remove them. Steam needs to allow us to customize the Home Screen.
My decky loader is completely gone from my steam deck what happened after this stable update? My xbox controller won't connect to desktop mode Bluetooth only works in game can you explain why update took away decky loader
Big enough updates do that, you should always check for a decky update before updating OS. Just reinstall it in desktop, all your plugins should still be there waiting.
Not really. I don't think it's unfair to say that if you want true SteamOS first, buy a Steam Deck and then when it's available for everything you can install it on your Ally.
@@fat3lwound Don’t be mad that the X is already more powerful than the overrated Deck. The fact Valve is helping us Rog fans is more icing on the cake 😊 Steam Deck is already showing it’s age
I love the Dreamcast look of the EmuDeck but can't really justify it for the price. I could get something much cheaper and uglier that does the job. I'd not play it that much so I may as well just use my Pi5 until I get around to getting an FGPA based system.
Hey man can i ask you a favor? Can you please buy me the steam deck, i cant buy it cuz my parents are kinda poor, there is no steam deck for sale in my country, its my dream handheld console, sadly I didn’t get any gift in my birthday last month, so please can you make my dream come true (by the way im not a bot)
You could be right about an emulator from steam store, but you can install anything you want in the Linux portion of the console and that won’t go away
My main pc has bazzite after two months i just cant go back to windows, no issues so far it is a full AMD build 600$ and play everything at 1440p. Still waiting for steam OS but for now Bazzite works for me. And yeah for games like fortnite or warzone i just have a PS4 in same desk to play that with friends if i have to.
The biggest problem I have with the steam deck is he Home Screen is not customizable. My Home Screen is full of games the are not even downloaded on my device. Games that don’t even work on my steam deck are on my Home Screen and I can’t remove them. And below that is full of news about games that I don’t care about. We need layouts. And I don’t like the fact that they don’t have us apps like RU-vid and Netflix and things like that. Like yea I can just go to windows mode and use the internet there but I would like to do everything on that one screen.
As always, good show, thank you. AMD has announced the Kraken, zen 5 rdna 3.5 early next year. Can you cover this please? I saw an article at VideoCardz just before I watched you. The article speaks to similarities between current Deck APU and definitely hints at this being a possible APU for a Deck 2, my favorite handheld boogaloo. I can't wait for a new Deck in 2026. I've got a LCD and I'm waiting for the next upgrade. Very exciting!
That would be interesting. I have a rog ally and the xg mobile 4090 that i drag with me to work. I've wanted to try bazite amd not lose acess to my 4090.
Figured this was a good place to ask to engage with your channel, because I like your stuff. But I could probably just Google it 😅 but when docked is their a significant boost in performance? I have a gaming PC, so even so I can't see it out pacing that, but some docks have extra storage attached which is a nice feature imo.
I think it may be helpful to focus on the ROG. Since most of the complaints are no Steam OS support. Supporting it officially could yield a larger userbase and thus broader developer support. That said, a generic image would yield even more users. But I imagine most want SteamOS on their portables.
I don't think I had an issue of having to remove and reinsert the SD card on my Steam deck, but I have experimented an issue where the cards just die. The first time I had Else Ring installed so I assumed it was because there were too many IO operations, The second card had "queued games" (that I didn't want to play ATM but didn't want to forget I have) and it died too. 😢
12:27 😂😜 exactly why I got the oled, was going back and forth between deck and PS5 , saw the price of the pro went with the deck….i know they aren’t apples to apples but only have so much money…..
FYI, most software versioning is based on semver (semantic versioning) which is ... So if the update is going from 3.5.19 to 3.6.0, it is considered "minor version update", which usually has good new features but not big or major enough for bumping up to a major version update.
@2:45 Or use a Alternative Accounts on certain online games, for example having to require a secundairy player to play a certain mission, and/or provide a different point view. Altough difficult, it allowed me one time to finish the first doomday Heist in GTA online, giving my alt some small cash
I had a update yesterday when first turning it on, after the update on certain games it would go from 40fps to 5 with the GPU maxed out,I fixed it by locking the frequency at its max setting,this problem only happens on certain games not running compatibility mode (Skyrim and no mans sky)
The Z1 is like a 70 percent improvement over the steam deck, so the Z2 being like 30 percent more would definitely make it a generational leap. Especially it’s using the more efficient AMD chips as a base
For now the steam deck device is unique, special because of steam os on it. When other devices get steamos steam deck will not be special anymore. It will be grave for steam deck imho. But maybe it was the main plan of Valve to propagate steamos , weaken windows based gaming platforms or probably even kill it.
I have not seen anyone else do controls like Valve. When we see Lenovo push a device that has track pads as useful as Valves'... Well, honestly I think Valve would call that a victory. I think they set an objective to get the market to innovate. Sony has done some interesting things, but that's a Sony exclusive thing, and Valve wants to see innovation for everyone, not just the same old xinput controllers.
I really wish that steam VR would work on the steam deck. I tried to use my oculus quest 2 with the steam deck with the steam VR app wirelessly the Internet said I could use it but the headset said it was unsupported. I think it was a stupid AI response on the Internet that said that
My biggest tip is to set the fps limit to 45fps in most games for the best balance b/w performance and battery life (40fps if you have the LCD version).
Install Cryoutilities right away. It will save you some headaches. Some non-oficially supported games (lol) don't like its 1GB swapfile, so making it 16GB improves stability and performance. Other than that, enjoy it. Try the HDR games too: Hogwarts Legacy, Cyberpunk 2077 or Diablo 4. The screen is amazing.
Hello. Can you help me with THE ASCENT freezing FPS going down to 1. I always have to restart it. I LOVE THE GAME but will eventually freeze and I don’t understand why they sell games that wont run smoothly. PLEASE HELP
