The Nightmare Fuel of Injustice 

I gotta be honest that's why i don't like the Dark Multiverse, or things like Marvel's axis.

well that and if we put it in the dark multiverse that would 100% confirm that everything goes to shit in the end and the universe dies. In the regular multiverse bad things can happen just like any other universe but in the dark multiverse everything is definitively going to badly and we will all die.

The dark multiverse is such a stupid idea. There are already dark universes in the multiverse. Like the crime syndicates universe, where good is always doomed to lose. The entire idea is dumb af.

Dark multiverse was stupid

@@DastardlyDavid69 honestly the number 1 thing that makes it dark multiverse is just the part where barbatos destroys it. If I remember right that was kinda the whole thing. World Forger made some shitty universes so he just fed them to his totally not evil pet dragon

Best part of the whole comic run “Alfred knocked your freakin ass out!” ~Harley Quinn

@@pocketmarcy6990 the cherry on top is Alfred picking Bruce and teleporting away while saying,"There's nothing worth saving here." With a bloodied Clark on the floor

Ah, the good ol’ “Butlering”

You don't tug on Superman's Cape ... _....unless you're Alfred freakin Pennyworth...._

@@pocketmarcy6990 That Harley was ever allowed to have such a large part in the story still bothers me

I'd actually argue in favor of Snyder's approach to Injustice and Dark Knight Returns: take the cool surface elements while removing the more out of character parts. Batman and Superman may be fighting, but Clark's not Reagan's lapdog and Batman is framed as in the wrong; Superman seems evil because Lois died, but it's actually mind control that made him snap rather than being of his free will.

@@ashuebot-tabi4449 So what's your argument? You've made a few suggestions, but I don't see any reasoning.

@@Duiker36 I'm arguing Zack managed to implement the cool surface level aspect of these stories while removing the parts fans typically don't like. Though I'm not sure what you mean by suggestions.

comic accurracy doesn't hold anything on it's own. MCU's Tony Stark is more similar to Superior Iron, basically acting like a selfish villain until Infinity War and i think everyone likes him, with no arguments or discussions for more comic accurracy

@Ashu Ebot-Tabi If Snyder uses only surface level, why the hell he would use them at all and isn't it worse, because all original message and weight of the text is undercut?

Honestly I like a superman willing to kill but finds it really distasteful and a last resort.

​@@bigkirbyhj666 That's basically what normal Superman is. He doesn't have an issue with killing like Batman does, but why would he? He's Superman. He doesn't need to.

My theory is thar MS is stronger than IS is because IS doesn’t need to fight anymore, so he is extremely rusty compared to MS that was fighting Doomsday, Sinestro and Black Adam moments before.

@@haengeltheknight1212 ngl at first I was confused who MS and IS were. MS = Main Superman IS = Injustice Superman

Yes

Yep.

He was asked to. He said no because somehow he thinks that would make things worse. Let’s ignore the fact that he can just keep correcting things. He has all the time in the world.

@@DastardlyDavid69 but what if by some freak chance, he gets decommissioned in one of the subsequent timelines? or loses his powers like in Flashpoint, but permanently?

@@DastardlyDavid69 Do a really need to link the video about Jay Garrick (The CW) explaining that timeline cannot be fix without leaving a mark

It’s weird that this came after the original Invincible and the Boys comics, but it was probably the popularity of this evil superman that allowed the Boys and Invincible to get their own incredible tv shows

All of them, the Injustice Superman included, just seem like lazy knockoffs of Superboy Prime.

@@LordNifty superboy prime is on par or below the evil Superman trope. He was an awful character in a qualitative sense lol.

@@noxXxnocti superboy prime is just a silver age fanboy

There was also Justice Lords Superman and he wasn't NEARLY as unhinged as Injustice Supes, different circumstances though.

In the injustice universe, lex luthor was never a criminal. He was an old friend of super man and the justice league

@@mindblower8774he was a criminal

@@mindblower8774he was a criminal

@@Mayan_88694 not in the injustice universe

@@mindblower8774 show me the comic then

Upside though at least the other universe green arrow and the injustice universe black canary get together. I always really like that even though they both lost their version of the other that connected them even more.

Oliver’s death was sad but it made no sense in the context of the comic. Superman would NEVER murder one of his best friends in cold blood like that. And by that point he didn’t have enough justification for going mad.

@@thecollector4332 He flipped because one of his arrows almost hit his parents. He had PTSD after Metropolis.

@@thecollector4332 he watched his dad almost die, even if it only hit the shoulder it could’ve very easily killed him, combine that with losing his wife and son by his own hand and the arrow bouncing off him, it sent him into a blind unfeeling fury, I’m pretty sure he regretted it later

@@spacejesus6581 he did they stopped fighting and held a funeral later where he did showup saying he didn't mean to kill him

I always loved to about that part is superman just walking through the wall to let Bruce go and he refuses. Batman suffered for the killing of joker so that superman wouldn't.

The whole dream sequence is probably my favorite part of the whole Injustice comics, it was so damn bittersweet to read

And probably the most horrible thing batman could do to superman show him everything he could have had proved him right that batman could have stopped the joker if he wished and only for it to be taken away a dream that would never be

​@@habijjj Honestly I could 100% see normal Superman doing something like that for Batman. They are basically soulmates.

Batman is partially responsible for thousands of deaths, by not killing the Joker.

Tim Drake is so painful when the Titans are freed. Seeing after all this time him finally get out the phantom zone only to be immediately killed by Zod. And Batman’s reaction too. Dude almost breaks his one rule, not for Joker or Superman for but Zod. Tim was a fresh chance at a Robin again after Dick died and Jason and Damian became lost. But he doesn’t get given that chance.

@@spiralyt309 the writing for Injustice 2 was awful

I hate how the Teen titans were handled in Injustice. At any point during the comics, it never occured to Batman to check up on Tim and see that he was missing? Because if he did, why was it never addressed? Everyone just kind of forgot about them. How could the world's greatest detective not realize he and the remaining titans were trapped in the Phantom zone for 5 years? There were so many better ways to handle their story than what they did with them.

@@l.m.a.9861 so if I remember correctly it was assumed that they were dead. They were on their way to Metropolis when joker's nuke went off, killing beast-boy and badly injuring superboy. They then went to the fortress to help him and superboy and the rest of the Titans were trapped in the phantom zone right after. Not a good answer, but I believe that's what the books went with.

@@jamesrosengrant8675 Not really considering a lot of people knew who survived. There's supermans's parents, plus nightwing who visited them and could've filled in batman, but regardless even if Batman didn't known of Tim's fate, why did they never show him trying to find him or mourn him? It just feels lazily written tbh.

I always took Omni-Man as less of an "evil Superman" than a "General Zod who starts as a bad guy, realizes how bad he is and eventually changes." in which case his son Mark is the Superman proxy.

@Hellish Hybrid Kirkman claims he's never watched Dragon Ball Z, but Omni-Man is very similar to Vegeta, the Viltrumite strength increase is similar to that of Saiyans, and hell, Viltrumites in general have a lot of similarities with Saiyans

@@mercury2157 Kirkman is straight up capping.

@@mercury2157 I can see the parallels. Both are incredibly powerful, supremely arrogant races of conquerors. The Viltrumites conquer to bring planets into their empire, the Saiyans conquered at first at the command of Frieza's father and later for profit. Both races send only a single warrior to conquer, the Viltrumites sending their greatest warriors, the Saiyans sending their own children. Both races were nearly wiped out, the Saiyans by Frieza, the Viltrumites by a virus engineered by the Coalition of Planets led by one of their own defectors. Both Vegeta and Nolan arrive with the intent to conquer Earth but later change their ways and married human women. If kinda fits.

@@hellishhybrid1839 Those are probably tropes you can find in any sci fi story. Marvel did the whole "alien sent to conquer Earth who eventually grows to love and protect it" thing with Mar-Vell back in the '60s but I doubt Toriyama nor Kirkman were influenced by that particular character

Cool story. I just wish more people actually read the material they're clearly interested in. I too hate the "evil Superman is cooler than proper Superman" because it simply isn't true.

Im afraid people are deeply paranoid about what general audiences actually think about the "evil Superman" thingy.

It’ll always be Fort Benning

Ye old stairway to heaven. Can't believe it's been 10 years since I was at sand Hill

Where would you start reading plastic man anyway?

@@DC.edit347 I'd love to know that too, hopefully james gunn gives a him a series or something

It is better than Kingdom come. Everything about it is better.

@@kingol4801 lol that's a first

@@kingol4801 Have to disagree on that one, Kingdom Come is a masterpiece and the Justice Lords storyline in the animated show was pure genius, Injustice is Netherrealm bad writing at its finest

@@kingol4801 this man been smoking Crack. Or meth. But whatever it is it got him seriously effed up if he believes injustice is better than the Gloy that is Kingdom Come.

@@kingol4801 what on earth are you on

I remember you could buy the comics on Xbox live as DLC when Microsoft points were a thing back then.

Exactly

I guess you overlooked her story in injustice huh.

@Legoben98 Productions what do you mean? She doesn't go to jail or face any negative repercussions for her act of terrorism. She tries to atone for what she did but the writers make it seem like her love for the Joker completely clouded her judgment which isn't justifiable. I would like to hear your argument for how she does face consequences for her actions.

@@legoben98productions ok let's look at what she did. She assisted Joker in a huge act of terrorism that killed millions of people. Millions of people and destroyed a city. And what did she get? The Joker died. Harley got away with it. Harley Quinn is a glaring flaw in the story. Because A: are we just assuming that her being abused by the Joker allows her to get away with nuking millions and destroying a city. B: no one treats her in any differently even though she's half of the reason Superman went down his path. C:She makes batman look like a complete monster to superman and any normal person. .As brought up before Harley helped nuke metropolis. She assisted in something that caused alot of death. Yet she's given more sympathy from batman and his group then superman ever received at all. If this story had actual decent writing Harley would've been in jail forever. We wouldn't get in Harlry Quinn moments at all. But you know what let's look at your story. Let's talk about how the one who assisted in mass murder feels and responses to her pasted actions. Let's look at Superman vs the teen titans and Damian Wayne's turn to evil compared to how Harley got away easily. E. The teen titans automatically gain up on Superman at his emotional lowest. They yell at him and call him a monster for killing the Joker who FUCKING KILLED MILLIONS. Batman never forgives an accident that Damien makes in the heat of the moment. He never forgives the depressed teenager, but he's able to just let go of the mass murdering woman who never got called out anyways. F.Stop treating Harley like she's a fucking baby who can't take accountability for her actions. But the worst part is her response to all these actions. Her response for being complicit in the deaths of millions. Is "It wasn't suppose to work he was suppose to save the day and I wanted him to save it". This right her isn't good writing this is her having a pity party for what nothing. She helped nuke a city out of existence and you expect people to forget that. Her arc wasn't good her arc was her generic Joker is a monster who abuses me. Which couldn't work considering the context of this situation. Context matters in writing characters. The fact that Harley had it easier than fucking everyone else's for being a monster leaves a huge hole in the story.

@@mrboerger1620 she’s a good Jewish girl don’t slander her like that

Her steve was a nazi and thus shattering her perception of the common man, she loves superman and deep down feels a little guilt to leading him astray. There backstory down .

@jack butt idk about that exactly she actively made things worse and boosted his ego. She took advantage of his loss of lois and his daughter and she used that to gain a position of power. She led him astray on purpose for her own ego.

@@habijjj ok and where do you disagree?

@@habijjj just be reminded that that was injustice WW and not our WW because some people deadass dislike her for a none Canon story

@@Potato_Sama Just as they do with all the involved, sups, bats, shazam, ollie... No one left unharmed.

The comic is just as bad as the games lmao. Dick’s death is still hilariously stupid and Superman’s descent into madness is still horribly written (moreso when you have read more Superman comics and storylines like kingdom come and ending battle) and don’t get me started on how horribly Taylor writes Wonder Woman for absolutely no reason (that backstory they invented for her was a cheap copout to justify bad writing)

​@@thecollector4332 I honestly feel bad for Wonder Woman fans whenever she's made to go along with the Evil Superman plotline. The animated Injustice film did a lot of things wrong, but they didn't make Diana a 1D villain after Clarks dick, and I can appreciate that.

Turns out heroes are better villains than the actual villains. Every time one of them becomes evil they take over they actually accomplish the villains goals

It's like whenever the story sets Superman and Batman to collide, Wonder Woman is either on Supes side then ignored in the main conflict or just a non factor so Bruce and Clark can keep doing the same thing.

or that they know nothing about wonder woman and jsut think she's "girl superman"

Same with flash to be honest yeah he has some good moments but he can take out Supes if he wanted too. But they always nerf him

not-so-subtle misogyny

injustice has runed superman, as much how good injustice series was. this was a mistake by tom taylor. like how game of thrones writing influenced so much deconstruction tv/movies

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nahh injustice superman is far beyond remption

I mean he almost immediately when back to doing the same shit like right away. When brainiac was defeated it should have been done except Clark wanted to go on another killing spree.

@@habijjj agreed he did had one shot of redemption after the defeat of braniac but no instead of doing the right thing he decided to do the exact and opposite and go back to killing again which is just sad because injustice superman was a good guy once.

They handled it well. Injustice Superman suffered the same fate as any hero-turned-villain. He crossed too many lines and has lost his sanity or sense of purpose - just fighting for himself in the very end.

It's like the reason batman doesn't start killing. If he kills once what's to stop him from crossing the line again and again and again. Everytime you cross the line it gets farther and farther away and at a certain point there is no going back.

@@habijjj he's not Batman though. Batman's no kill rule only works with Batman because of how much of a fanatic and insane he is with his crusade. The same shouldn't be applied to other heroes, especially Superman.

Agreed the execution especially at the beginning could be better especially considering who Superman is. One good example for me would be showing more grief and self doubt and the heroes at least the main ones (Flash, Wonder Woman) heavily disagreeing with Superman to the point where maybe Superman gets a new posee with lesser know but more ruthless heroes.

That shit wasn't even the cliff notes version they got essentially every single thing wrong. I mean they killed off the flash and no one said shit about it the rest of the movie.

I at least like that Superman doesn't completely lose himself. I actually found that more satisfying than dragging it out in a nonsense struggle that keeps getting so big, we forget what this was all about in the first place.

I mean the injustice universe has never fully gone to shit. And I'm pretty sure the next game we'll get something really interesting.

@@habijjj it’s disingenuous to act like the Injustice universe isn’t dystopian compared to the main DC continuity. To say nothing of the stupid “shock value” deaths, like what happened to Nightwing. That’s not what I want from superhero stories, and I already said as much in my initial post.

I honestly appreciate when the superhero seems bleak but still managed to be optimistic and strive to help the people who have made the heroes lives difficult that I can say if they were able to put up the bs they deal with then so can I.

@@legoben98productions I think the issue for me with Injustice specifically is that Superman is one of my favorite characters, so I’m not all aboard the evil Superman train.

@@nickjanecke6688 I’m the same here, most of them feels poorly written like since UTRH became a thing and changed the background of Batman’s one rule it really damaged his character to how he was more on redemption and rehabilitation for his foes rather than himself becoming a addicted to murder. WW is pretty self explanatory right?

In his grave

@@Kira22558 Who cares? He won. Joker died laughing, aware he'd broken the Man of Steel.

Especially if injustice was made long before UTRH

@@legoben98productions UTRH? what story is that

@@keit99 Under The Red Hood

@@keit99 Under The Red Hood

Agreed. I get the point of the "no kill rule" (in and out of universe), but refusing to kill someone like the Joker rubs me the wrong way. Doesn't help that I have a... weird morality.

@@juliagoodwin9510 Honestly I agree with Jason Todd when he said that too. Like the Joker is the ONLY one that would be the best way to save everyone

@@juliagoodwin9510 Batmans no kill rule would make sense if gotham wasn't so corrupt. Then Joker would be given the death penalty.

@@trkg4584 True. Not sure why the mob would want the Joker around. Other than being scared of him, that is.

Putting Bruce on a pedestal and being the “goodest good” kind of bugs me too. I sort of feel like if this wasn’t a shitty game fanfic he’d feel very differently about the Joker and Harley murdering Metropolis and Lois and the baby and turning his best friend, a man of good morals who he looked up to as an ideal, into a bitter and lost person. He wouldn’t be smug and he’d channel his and his friend’s pain to be on the same page and try to make sense of it. In the comic he just has an attitude that, to me, read as him feeling resentful that Clark reacted by killing the Joker and losing his way and immediately turned on him because he didn’t live up to his standards. I personally disliked the Injustice Batman as much for that as I did a lot of the Injusticeverse characters.

@@Nightman221k Yeah, I just found Batman to be really dehumanizing towards Clark in the story. He never seems to consider the sheer grief and trauma of what happened.

@@Nightman221k I don't know how you see that. The comics certainly don't put Batman on any pedestal. His inability to sympathize with Clark as much as he should is not treated in a good light, nor is his complete dismissal of Damian following Dick's accidental murder. His inflexible ideals are called into questions many times, he miscalculates a lot of things. He pretty much fails throughout the comics. So he's certainly not portrayed as perfect at all. That being said, I don't agree that he turns against Superman immediately. He disliked what Superman was doing, while admitting that in the same situation, he might be doing the very same thing. He just sincerely believed that Superman, the literal symbol of hope, should not be leading with that sort of example. He always saw Superman as better than he was, and to see him resort to threats and fear was probably quite heartbreaking. In short, Batman put Superman on a very high pedestal, and when he fell from it, Batman was very disappointed. And Batman has never been good with reactions to disappointment.

@@Ares99999 while there is some nuance there in the end of the day superman is the guy that kills kids and becomes a facist dictator and batman is the guy against that ,both the comic and the games frame batman as the "good guy" that was proven right" equal" conflict this is not