The NWOBHM Big Four: The Hair/Glam Metal Years? (w/Martin Popoff) THE EDITED VERSION! 

Thanks for your patience folks while we sorted out the audio problem and re-recorded the final segment.

"The opposite of what I like in life" Martin, you're killing me😂🎉

As far as I can remember here in the U.K. around 79/80 Motörhead were not considered as part of the NWOBHM movement. I would be interested in others views about this, as I may be totally incorrect. Love these shows guys. Thank you

Lemmy's only offence is singing "Born to raise hell" with Whitfield Crane and Ice-T

Love this segment.

Pete, off topic... Love the Foghat t-shirt! Both you and Martin have great insights. I love SOT and enjoy Martin in his other podcasts. Keep on rockin boys!

I'm always up for a little NWOBHM discussion. Great show, thoroughly enjoyed it. I think Motorhead is NWOBHM, Maiden and Saxon also formed in '75 and Leppard in '76. While I don't think the NWOBHM had a distinctive sound, it did have a raw, DIY, punk rock attitude that helped make up the movement. "Where were you in '79 when the dam began to burst."

Great show guys!!!….just a heads up for anyone into the older Def Leppard…I’m sure Pete has these cds but I recently picked up Def Leppard’s pyromania European tour from 1983 live on cd along with a live cd from Seattle, august 3rd, 1983 both incredible and “raw”….definitely something for a fan of the older Def Leppard music to check out 😎

I remember people critisizing Maiden for selling out with "Seventh Son" - it is very 80-ish compared with "Powerslave" and has quite a lot of (guitar)synth. Starting with "Moonchild" and "Infinite Dreams" - the songs aren't "Hair metal" but the sound was definitely typical 80's.

I recall Def Leppard insisting they weren't heavy metal back when Pyromania was released. I found this really odd because at the time they were definitely being marketed as a metal band, their logo was very metal and their videos were typical of metal bands at the time, with a lot of skull and sword and sorcery visuals (particularly the video for "Foolin'"). Not particularly hard metal of course but well within the genre for the time. I don't know that I would necessarily consider anything after Pyromania to be metal (they definitely went in a more commercial Bon Jovi/Bryan Adams direction afterwards) but the first three albums were definitely metal, even if on the lighter and more commercial side of the genre.

...Martin: "listening to it almost put me in a bad mood"...Def Leppard "Adrenalize"...HELL freaking YES!!! ) :0)

Never, ever let Popoff anywhere near a discussion about NWOBHM. He doesn't understand it.

As usual, well said gents. Power and The Glory is my favorite Saxon album as well :)

Pete really great job on your presentation slideshow. I really appreciate the visuals on that compared to Martin holding up a glare out tour program which could’ve been put into a slideshow. I think you’re using PowerPoint and what I do is I put a black background in and then I float my photographs on top of that just makes a really nice visual when you put it on the zoom Once again great job really appreciate Production value going up

I really fell off Saxon after Crusader came out. We were so hype for that album and it was a big disappointment when I brought it home. My friend got Innocence Is No Excuse and I was sure that Saxon were completely selling out. When Rock the Nations came out, I bought it hoping they had gone back to their NWOBHM sound and one listen had me pack it and all my Saxon away until 2020 when I began watching SOT and heard some love for Saxon's newer batch of albums. I cautiously began going through the back catalog and you guys weren't blowing smoke up our a$$e$! They had returned with a vengeance. I even returned to the "Hair Metal" albums and you know, I really enjoy them now. I'd even go so far as to say that they're some of my favorite "Hair Metal" albums these days. There was always something about Biff's voice that bothered me but, somehow, I think it clicked with me now. He's an amazing singer! He can sing it all and hasn't really lost a bit of his voice!

I guess Ritchie Blackmore is an exception to the no hat rule.

AC/DC did participate a little bit with Who Made Who and Blow Up Your Video.

I never really thought Maiden went hair metal , you could argue some with fear of the dark with the ballad and variety on that album , but I can certainly agree with Bruce’s tattoo millionaire 🤘

Good viewing guys but I was expecting you to rank their albums through the 80s. Now that would be a great show! 👍

We knew about Saxon but their albums were relatively hard to find until probably "Crusader". I love that album still. I had seen other videos, and they were definitely not the "coolest" looking band around, but the video for "Broken Heroes" shook me so hard that not only did I not buy "Innocence is No Excuse," but I didn't buy another Saxon abum until "Into the Labyrinth". (I own them all now, including "Destiny"...barf)

The only hair metal album in my collection is Deep Purple slaves and masters with Joe Lynn Turner.

Def Leppard did what they wanted to do. They never tried to be like the LA Glam scene because they were too busy too even know it was happening.

Richie Blackmore is the man with the Hat for hard rock

Def Leppard were always in that bracket to me.

Def Leppard was the blue print for pop rock/ glam rock starting with Pyromania. Mötorhead and Maiden did their own thing which was frigging awesome. Saxon dipped their toe a bit in the glam look and style in the early to mid 80's and then stepped away from it.

It's probably worth mentioning that mainstream music in the UK was all about pop music during the 80s. Early 80s had the new romantic, keyboard thing, and the late 80s had Bros, Stock, Aitken and Waterman produced stuff. Rock music was around but the hair metal only had the odd hit single.

With Priest, their brief glam period was Turbo and Ram It Down albums. Even though Priest started out in the early '70s, I still consider them part of the NWOBHM since they really started getting big around '79/'80 with Hell Bent For Leather (Killing Machine) and British Steel. I never considered Motorhead to be part of the NWOBHM movement. Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Saxon, and Def Leppard (along with a few others,) were though. Def Leppard were the only ones that full embraced Glam later in the '80s (discounting the already mentioned missteps of Judas Priest.)

Did you re shoot the whole episode or just edit in the ending? Just curious 😮

For me what makes Def Leppard legit in that they had glam influences from the start is that after grunge left, they never went back to what they were in 1979, they stayed with that bubblegum hard rock that made them famous. They liked AC/DC, Queen, Free and Thin Lizzy but they also like T Rex, Slade, the Sweet and Mott the Hoople. I think Pete was the one who was really into Judas Priest and Steve once Phil came into the scene felt intimidated because of Phil guitar skills, so there you go, thats the two original players being left aside despite Steve being the engine of the band, he wasn't a leader, it can't be a coincidence that Pete's and Steve last album together as far as songwriting credits go is Pyromania. Mutt Lange was the de facto "gotta get successful in the USA" producer around that time, in fact AC/DC went to him for Highway to Hell, Back in Black and For Those About to Rock and I think he also produced Foreigner's 4 a year or so before Def Leppard came knocking to his door.

Metal Compilation of the Heaviest songs . Just devastatingly Heavy tunes Nightranger - Still Rock in America Bon Jovi - Bad Medicine White Lion - Wait Van Halen - Panama Axe - Video Inspiration Y&T - All American Boy Aerosmith - Jaime's Got a Gun Ozzy Osbourne - Mr Tinkertrain Savatage - Wishing Well Motley Crue - Raise Your Hands to Rock ZZ Top - Velcro Fly Scorpions - Winds of Change Poison - Fallen Angel

Hats in rock tony the hat clarkin of magnum legend

Def Leppard is a pop group

HYSTERIA is a great album.

Next 2 Diamond Head & Tygers of Pan Tang.

Iron maiden avoided hair metal. Thankfully. Wish more had.

Hats in metal and rock Slash Bonham Rob Halford Blackmore Hendrix Micky Moody Brian Johnson Angus Young Roger Glover 😂

Def Leppard created hair metal and remained the biggest act throughout it

What about post hair/metal era bands going about other styles of music. Martin has discussed this on his podcast. Lynch Mob and their flaccid nu metal album is a contendor for the topic.

So it begs that question: what is the first wave of British Heavy Metal? To me: Sabbath, Motörhead, Judas Priest.

Whether Motörhead are NWOBHM or not, there are few NWOBHM that lasted the entire 80s and early 90s with any degree of success. So, if you want to look at how Hair metal affected NWOBHM over that time, you’re almost bound to include Motörhead or Priest to make up the numbers.

Why cant I get into Saxon?

Whilst Motorhead certainly influenced the nwobhm, here in the UK they were never considered part of it. My 4th choice would be Tygers of Pan Tang.

No hats allowed!!! Unless your name is Rob Halford. ;-)

Def Leppard is metal 😢😢 I have to think about that

Big 4 Non Metal Hair Bands White Lion Axe ( USA) Bon Jovi Heaven Bent

Saxon needed to change more than maiden as maidens sound and catalogue was so much stronger and more successful IMO

"...metal doesn't need hats" Unless you are Lemmy or King Diamond.

Priest would've fitted better in here than Leppard, who were always kinda glam.

Man I like Motörhead in the states them and Saxon were never popular Def Leppard was super huge and Iron Maiden kinda popular but never really big here it was la not British in the states during the 80s

Motorhead is not NWOBHM but you put them in the big four instead of Priest? WTF?

Sorry guys, the premise of this episode doesn't really work for me. Martin is doing a lot of yappin' but it's all a bit of nothing for me. Sorry for the criticism, still love the channel.

DID HE REALLY SAY DEJA VU WAS HAIR METAL

Big 4 of NWOBHM Witchfynde Tygers of Pantang Paralex Angel Witch Big 4 Glam Metal WASP Leatherwolf Motley Crue Hellion Big 4 of Actual Metal Savatage Omen Manilla Road Cirith Ungol

MOTORHEAD WAS NOT N.W.O.B.H.M

Respect to all these great bands. Except Def Leppard. What a bunch of phonies. Pop sell-outs with a whiny singer. Nothing to do with metal. Crappy pop for brainless masses.

Love listening to these shows but Martin's take on Maiden is absolute bollocks, nowhere near anything hair metal. Also Motorhead were not NWOBHM.

I guess I doing understand what the NWOHM is. Why would Priest not be involved?