This is a non-starter. The Players' Association will not be "smoothed over". There's no scenario where disbanding happens. They'll be an all-road team, before they disband. There was a minor league team, the Lehigh Valley Black Diamonds, that was without ownership and became the Pennsylvania Road Warriors, playing all games on the road.
@@ryanmeech8630 I think it's a better option than playing in a minor league park too. In terms of building a fanbase it does nothing for you but at least you're getting decent revenue and can put together a respectable team.
I honestly don't think they CAN disband, not and Fisher remain the owner anyway. MLB will force something through they won't allow this scenario to even come close to happening.
what a dumpster fire. in reality baseball should just demand that the owner sell. there job is to make sure the sport is strong. this oakland fiasco is making the league look horrible.
Oh yes they can. The "best interests of Baseball" clause gives the commissioner and the owners immense power to penalize, suspend owners (Cincinnati Reds - Marge Schott?) and even force a sale.@@Z64sports
If that happens they should fold the a’s and give an expansion team to a new owner in Vegas in 2028. They shouldn’t reward that ass 🤡 of an owner for this mess he created.
Sounds great but the owners would never agree. The owner owns half of the coliseum property. So a little more than 25 acres. American pro leagues operate as cartels. They share in all of the revenue. MLB is a sh!T show right now because of the A’s owner and MLB commissioner. Meanwhile Dodgers just spent 1 billion on 2 players. This ownership will never spend that type money. American sports need to go to promotion and relegation type leagues. But would never happen because of the cartel like set up of pro sports.
John Fisher is the worst owner I’ve ever seen. Why MLB is continuing to support this guy is mystifying. He pulled out of negotiations with Oakland to agree to a deal with Vegas with absolutely none of his ducks in a row. Again, I can’t believe MLB is green lighting this. We’ve seen teams relocate before but we’ve never seen a team relocate with no clue where they’re going to play until their new stadium is built. It’s been 9 months since the move was announced and he still doesn’t know where the team is going to play. Ridiculous.
Yep. If he pulled the wool over Oakland but had stuff done in LV then fine. Shady and he's a terrible person ethically but at least the league is still well-represented. But to have zero plan coming AND going?
There is a very large pantheon of horrible owners, from Washington Redskins to San Diego to the Maloof brothers. John Fisher sure comes close, but he's certainly the most disingenous. And now MLB is treating Oakland like a leper colony - and when the city got ready to deal (admittedly way late in the game) John Fisher smelled more bucks and more asset appreciation in Sin City and said syonara
With "Manfraud" Manfred running MLB, this is no surprise. MLB, under him, has sunk to an all time low, unimaginable that it could be worse than under Selig. "Manfraud" and Fisher look like they're in it together to pocket the other owners $$$, even tho those owners can vote to have him out.
@@robertlittlefield1855 When the Mayor of Oakland said they had a meeting scheduled with the A’s to hammer out the final details of a deal, and the A’s decision to move to Vegas was a total blindside at first I thought it was just a politician covering their rear but now I believe her 100%. It looks like the A’s just rushed into a quick deal and clearly they had absolutely no planning in place for all of the details of what they were going to do in the interim. He doesn’t even have the money yet that they are going to need to finance their part of the stadium and again I can’t believe baseball didn’t demand to know all of this upfront before they green lighting the move. Nobody looks good in the situation.
Imagine going through the trouble of disbanding a team, dealing with the MLPBA, re drafting in 3 years, augmenting schedules to accommodate for the league imbalance...instead of just playing in the coliseum for 3 years or some other AAA park
Exactly, not gonna happen. They do own 50% of the Coliseum so they can likely use that as leverage to remain there if they really wanted to, it would be Oakland and Alameda County's fault for not including a stipulation that if the A's file to relocate out of Oakland that they forefit their ownership stake. I think absolute worst case scenario they end up playing in Summerlin for 3 years at the Aviators Park, I don't think they go to Utah unless Fisher is forced to by MLB. I know they said it's not how they wanna introduce themselves to Vegas but things don't always work out according to plan, disbanding though isn't an option.
@@joecostantino3684 I always felt like Summerlin was the best option, and I feel like it makes the MLB players look like wussies if they can’t play there but the AAA players seem to be handling it just fine.
This guy a clown don’t expect much from him. He’s made like 35 videos on this and never taken an anti fisher stance. Mind boggling for anyone who researches this for even 2 mins.
The best case scenario is to extend the lease at the Coliseum and give Oakland an expansion team. It’s a win win for both parties because the A’s keep their $70 million from the tv deal in the bay area and Oakland gets a shot at having a team with new ownership that will build a shiny new waterfront ballpark in a proven baseball market.
MLB won’t want anything to do with putting another team in Oakland after the A’s leave town It’s not a big enough market, which the MLB market is already fully or even oversaturated in California, including the San Francisco Giants just across the damn Bay from them.
@@kejavu6403 It is not about population it is all about economics and TV revenue. A's are in the bottom 10 teams in TV revenue and that will never change in Oakland. A's get less then 50 million a year in TV while the Dodgers get over 150 million. That's the entire problem with MLB and its getting worse as these TV deals in big markets get renewed. Even a new owner is not making a difference in Oakland nothing is changing the fact that they get little to no TV money, so unless a new owner ie Lacob does not mind bleeding money nothing will change. On top of that Oakland is not exactly a glam destination and players are not clamoring to sign with Oakland. The fact of the matter is baseball in Oakland just does not work anymore for any owner.
This would be a nightmare scenario for all of the MiLB teams in the Oakland organization, like my hometown Lansing Lugnuts, the high-A level affiliate, the Midland RockHounds, who are the AA affiliate, and the Las Vegas Aviators, the AAA affiliate. With no MLB parent organization for those in AAA to move up to, where do those players go? One assumes they couldn’t be called up to any of the other 29 MLB teams, as they all work within their own farm system. I don’t think a disbanding is likely to happen, and that’s just one reason why I hope and pray I’m right.
There are certain teams that I’m sure most wouldn’t mind if they went defunct such as the Padres, Mariners, Brewers etc. 50 years they are (yeah I know the Mariners are 47) but still haven’t built a championship team? For me, I’d have a rule that said if you go over so many years without winning a championship you shut down because at that point it becomes sad LOL But hey the Rangers finally won their World Series after 62 years so you never know
If this (all according to plan for the A’s organization) is true, why would they already be posting season ticket sales on social media? What are the A’s gonna have to say to people who bought season tickets when they hear this news that they’ve been hiding? “Ah, tough luck” ?
How about if the A's play all their games on the road until they get that new stadium in Las Vegas? They could play half their games as the "home team" just like it was during the 2020 post season. Wouldn't that work?
Chargers moreso because tbh at least the Raiders have some fans coming with them to Las Vegas and even some Vegans have settled in the fanbase, even if we get taken over by red teams Chargers? Yeah…
@@805fillmoreEven with Jim, you still can't win over Raider/9er/cowboy city. Maybe you'll have more San Diegans driving over to LA to see Herbie but LA never liked chargers. Nor rams lol
MLB should step ib and take over the franchise. Fisher has run the A's brand into the sand. No temp home and that greeting in Vegas with Fisher speaking to a rather empty room and zero excitement. Sad for the players to face this lack of direction.
I think the City of Oakland should kick the A’s (aka: the F’s) out of Oakland ASAP and focus on bringing in a MLS Soccer team. The USL already has the Oakland Roots soccer team playing down in Hayward, CA and they’re pulling in as many fans as the F’s are right now.
This video is very disjointed from a lack of Utah knowledge……. 1. The A’s would play in the downtown SLC AAA stadium because it’s bigger and already built 2. The Utah group will not allow another owner to have the team 3. He keeps showing the proposed MLB stadium in SLC which hasn’t even been confirmed yet
They should just go to Summerlin ( Las Vegas ballpark) until the stadium is done. Get in the community as fast as you can and build those relationships right away. People here in Vegas really don’t feel anything for the A”s so best to get in now.
No reason they couldn't play in Utah while stadiums are built there and Vegas. Remember in the NBA the New Orleans Hornets played in OKC and then moved to Charlotte before OKC got their own relocated team from Seattle. Fans local fans just wanna see pro ball.
But that situation was different. New Orleans Hornets were playing in OKC because of after Louisiana got hit by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 so they had to play somewhere else for a while until their arena and state was ready to have games played again. So back then it was two cities sharing the same team.
If it were anyone else, any other team, any other owner, I would think this is just a negotiating tactic. However, with John Fisher and the amount of money he doesn't spend, I could honestly see him floating this. But, I do think that if he actually floats this, the other owners will force him to sell
Don't forget the NFL's original Cleveland Browns temporary folded and did not play from 96-98 NFL season and the city of Baltimore got a NFL team for the 96 Season with the Ravens. As for the Browns they return in for the 1999 NFL Season as a expansion team and kept all the Cleveland Browns records in Cleveland not in Baltimore
I was thinking about this earlier, if they have to play in the coliseum for the next few years the way things have been going even fewer ppl going to the games and i wouldn't be surprised the team financially doesn't even make it by the time the stadium is finished.
They will not suspend operations for 3 years... MLB would never allow it. This feels most similar to the Toronto situation where they played in Buffalo's AAA park during COVID. If SLC would be considered the A's territory (and not the Rockies')... then I could see this working. I also don't understand why Oracle Park wouldn't work. The Yankees and Mets shared Shea Stadium during the renovation of Yankee Stadium in the 70s... MLB could make that schedule work.
MLB teams play almost every day, so scheduling simply would not work with an odd number of teams. The only way I could see the MLB allowing the As to go temporarily dormant is if another team is contracted or allowed to go dormant, or if there is some sort of replacement, whether by an expedited expansion team or some sort of travel team.
It is absurd that the A's could disband for three years. That is 243 games not played in other team's stadiums. Arte Moreno didn't vote to lose 7 games a year played at his stadium, same for the other teams. MLBPA isn't going to sit still for losing 1/30th of it rosters. Then Fisher is getting revenue share?
maybe they should play at Sacramento and build a stadium at the coffee tree. That way the A's would be playing for Oakland, San Jose, and Sacramento. MLB will still have two teams in northern California.
This should be a red line for mlb. You can’t have a team disband for years. Force Fisher to sell the team and give him an expansion team for Vegas in a few years.
The best option is for the A’s to sell and stay in Oakland. Then expansion for Nashville and Vegas. Ceasing operations is the biggest joke and just shows how bad an owner John Fisher is.
Not gonna happen. Uneven number of teams is not workable for a major league becasue of the number of off days. Will have to play somewhere. A road-only team (playing at the other 29 MLB parks only) is probably not feasible for MLB (even a small MLB payroll is too much for that, unlike the minors where it does happen). What is maybe barely feasible is to play in *multiple* locations, which could be seen as auditions for future expansion. Utah, Sacramento, Nashville, Montreal, Austin, San Antonio, Mexico...
There's no way the A's would move to Utah for three years and then transfer over to Las Vegas. Utah deserves a long term team in a proper ballpark rather than a minor league stadium. The A's would be better off extending a lease for three years before moving to Vegas.
@@splashnskillz37 relocation fees for the MLB can go as high as $1 billion and they wouldn't shell out that much for a 3-year team that wouldn't come close to breaking even. It is the equivalent to throwing away $1 billion
@@Unknown-uk7yh A's wouldn't be a full relocation for those years so it wouldn't have a fee, besides the cartel league will just throw some bs up to move on with it, it's not about making sense it's about power move and giving the Giants the whole bay
@@splashnskillz37 Relocation always has a fee for transporting everything relating to the team to one spot and not to mention the fact that a puny minor league stadium wouldn't work. The dimensions of the field are too off for a major league team, the stadium won't fill or won't fit. MLB doesn't care about power moves, they care about money.
LV may very well fall through. Portland is the answer. Though a move to Ventura County, north of LA, which is the new, up-and-coming Orange County, might be a good long-term decision.
They would have to disband another team with the right? Can't had an odd amount of teams in baseball or you'd have a team sitting out for several days since MLB schedules with 3 game serieses
If they disband then wouldn't Fisher technically forefit his rights as an owner? You can't own what doesn't exist. I mean yeah the name and and logo would still be a thing but would they really have a dispersal draft and then 3 years later basically reincarnate the A's as an expansion team? Yes I know the Cleveland Browns technically did that but the difference there is the actual franchise itself never stopped playing they just became the Baltimore Ravens, we're not talking about the A's temporarily assuming another name here.
If the Oakland A's do temporary fold from 2025-2027 MLB Season. How will the MLB handle a schedule with 29 teams and what will happen to Oakland A's Minor League teams
A’s owner John Fisher should look at Edmonton, Alberta Canada for relocation of the American League team at a expanded RE/MAX Field in Edmonton, Alberta for a revival of the Edmonton Trappers in Major League Baseball (MLB) American League
Make John Fisher outspend the dodgers. Make him lose money even worse before going to Vegas. No TV revenues and free tickets for the next 3 seasons so he loses money
What about finding a minor league or spring training park in AZ? Just because AZ has transplants from lots of other places, who would go just to see their old local teams playing against the A's.
Unless the A's trade everyone and have no salary or the league buys Fisher out, I don't think there is anyway they disband. There are too many solutions that may not be ideal but that is the least ideal. The Giants years ago already said that the A's could use Oracle as a temporary home. In fact it was broached when the Raiders were still considering building but the site at the time was too small to build two stadiums so the Raiders left. Which is the main reason why the Raiders left. There simply was no room for the A's and the Raiders didn't want to share a new building. In theory the A's could rebuild and re develop the current site but it really is a dreadful location for baseball.
Force a sale and move to Mexico City/Monterrey. Renovate Estadio Alfredo Harp Helú to expand the stadium from 20,000 to 30,000 seats (35,000 including standing room). While renovations are happening play alternates with Estadio Mobil Super in Monterrey, Mexico. The team will be known at the Mexico Atleticos.
This team has been a disaster for literally a century. It started in Philadelphia, then moved to Kansas City, then to Oakland. As far as I can tell, they have -never- been well supported by the fans, even in the Charlie Finley days. Deep six 'em, work out a compromise with the union (I can foresee better team situations for the players) and go about your business.
How can the owner do any of this without any kind of plan in place. Total mismanagement. But hey, throwing it out there, their division rivals the Texas Rangers have a perfectly good spare ballpark next door to their place I’m sure they’d lease out if the price is right. That way the A’s can get used to some summer heat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’d disband trash teams such as the Padres, Brewers, and Mariners that have always been bad and have never or will never win a World Series. Over 50 years and you still haven’t figured it out? (Yes I know the Mariners are still a few years away from being 50 but still, not to mention they’ve only made the playoffs a handful of times).
The reason why your Utah scenario won't work, it's still the same horrible owner. The team will be a doormat wherever hey go because it comes with the same guy owning it. And, if you believe anything will change from the owner, you're a fool
