The Old Ones : The True Gods of 40k EXPLAINED | Warhammer 40k Lore 

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"Compared to the War In Heaven, the 10,000 year old conflict started by Horus who decided to become a bad boy... is barely a blip on the radar." - TTS Throne Emperor.

This all could’ve been avoided if the Old Ones shared the secret to sun screen

The idea of a non-chaos infested warp to travel through is so weird to think about.

if the old ones are so good, why havent they made an old ones 2 yet

"give us sunscreen" -space mummys "LMAO NOPE" -spade toads

The Warp used to be called the Realm of Souls but due to the War In Heaven, it became polluted and transformed into the Warp where Chaos Gods dwell there.

I can't help but wonder, if Gork and Mork were Krork way back when and somehow ascended to godhood?

The surviving Old Ones fled from the Prime Universe into the Secondary Universe and self devolved themselves into members of the Slaan of Lustria and the Southlands. All of them except Lord Kroak the only Old One who retained their Warp Deityhood.

The watchers in the dark might as well be descendents of the old ones themselves who adapted to a more hidden and discret lifestyle. Choosing mankind as the race to guild, since the Emprah is the only one hope against Chaos.

I've always wondered what alien life in other galaxies is like, if they have their own warp gods. It is smart from a narrative stand point to focus on one galaxy, so plots can remained focus and the setting can feel more lived-in and real.

I always imagined that Old Ones are far too complicated for mortals to understand, just like Chaos in some ways

I think the nids are a antswarm from the old ones created to collect biomass so the old ones can then use the biomass to create life and if all the old ones died and the nids were just stuck on collect mode would make sense

A theory I liked was the Emperor going onto Molech, and meeting with the Last old one and asked for help in the creation of the primarchs. And the old one agreeing on the condition to his him away from everything else.

In my opinion, the old ones(or at least, the last old one) personally created Big E because they saw a potential of humanity that they didn’t really see in the eldar, or any other race, and they knew that the eldar wouldn’t be enough in defeating chaos, so they invested in arguably their least potent creation.

i loved it when the Old ones said, "its old oneing time" and created most races in the galaxy. truly a 40k moment

It’s a shame games workshop hasn’t made books about the war in Heaven or humanity during the dark age of technology they’re sitting on a gold mine it would probably be dozens of books longer than the Horus heresy I wonder how the emperor compares to them on the power scale

I will keep asking for this because if there's one thing all 40k factions have in common it's never giving up: Could you make a video on how someone could permanently kill one of the 4 chaos gods and (more interestingly) what would happen if they did ?

The old ones created the Webway for instantaneous travel, not because it was safer.

Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation as imperial regent would be pretty cool ngl, seeing how each rule their own empires would be a cool speculative video

To be honest the Tau are so like what art we have for the Necrons they could just have been a dynasty of Necrons that didn’t end up being fed to the C’tan and so didn’t lose their biology. The Ethereals also act like the Dynasty leaders. Quite peaceful but willing to wage war if necessary. The greater good is exactly like Old One teachings. Maybe an Old One took some Necrontyr before/during the War in Heaven because their ideology states they want to preserve all life in the galaxy. This Old one then released the Tau/Necrons back into the galaxy. I mean look at their tech. Classic signs of what the Necrons were like pre-war in heaven. My headcanon anyway and I think it makes sense. The Necrontyr weren’t a psychic race. Neither are the Tau.

Yeah, the idea that the Tau and Necrons is a strange one, but the game Gladius hints at it a little. When the Necrons beat a tau faction, they feel nostalgia looking at a Tau skull. Were they created by the old ones? by necrons as potential vessels to reverse bio transference? who knows.

If you really think about it the Old Ones kinda screwed over every race they created, albeit unintentionally. Eldar: Sure, long lives and reincarnation is cool, but this eventually made their existence beyond boring which just made the birth of a hostile God inevitable. Pluss, making them hyper emotional makes keeping themselves in check more difficult. Krorks: They will never know peace since they can not exist without conflict to the point they will straight up die if they don't fight for a prolonged period of time, which makes them a danger to everyone around them. Jokaero: They can build OP technology but they lack the capacity to use it, in order to build a civilization of their own. Thuss they are doomed to always be taken advantage of by others. Hrud: Their time powers makes then unable to form meaningful relations with others and it even prevents them from settling in a world permanently. As a result they have to constantly migrate , which putts them and everyone around them in danger. Slann: If we go by Fantasy lizardmen rules. These guys are so hyped focused in doing what their creators would want , to the point they can't think for themselves

I heard the theory of the old ones being responsible for the nids too actually and this was years back I didn't actually agree with it but I could see an absolutely insane old one doing it

I think the emperor was a direct creation of the Old Ones. How exactly did a bunch of cavemen know exactly what method to use for their souls to fuse? Plus if it was that easy to make a god being why didn't the eldar or another xenos race try to make their own? I think a handful of Old Ones influenced and controlled the creation process then allowed themselves to be absorbed, which is why the Emperor is so OP.

7:38 Slaanesh: "AAAAH! AFTER 10,000 YEARS, I'M FREE! IT'S TIME TO CONQUER THE GALAXY!" Eldrad: "Illiyan Nastase, She Who Thirst has escaped! Recruit a team of Eldar Teenagers With Attitude!"

I thought the Slanni were still around the galaxy. They are in a lot of the older rulebooks.

I like to think of the Old Ones as the versions of the Arisians frim Lensmen who accidentally bungled their rule of the galaxy, but still tried more or less the same plan about creating an entity that would surpass them to finally finish their battle... Just, you aren't All wed to have nice things in 40K.

All Hail our Lord MajorKill ❤

3:10 Lizardmen - greatest creations of the Old Ones and they follow the Great Plan to the gold tablets they fiercely protect from outsiders coming to Lustria.

How have not been subcribed! I watched your videos years ago when getting into Total War: Warhammer, and a lot more recently getting into the lore and minature side of 40k. Thanks man!

That Necrontyr depiction at 1:50 is absolutely amazing. Just as I imagined them in their organic forms.

Regarding 40k ripping off Halo with the theory about the Old Ones creating the Nids, wouldn't it be the other way around? 40k is much older than Halo, and the Nids themselves hit the shelves in 1993. Halo was first released in 2001, and even back then the Flood were seen like a Halo equivalent of the Nids or the Zerg from Starcraft. I'm pretty sure GW can use the Old Ones as the Nids' creators without much trouble from the Halo franchise.

Majorkill you have been killin it majorly !! Lol. Your WH40k videos are by far the funniest and most entertaining vids out there.

I love you majorkill, you are the reason I still use youtube

Hey man i really appreciate your work especially after work and when I return home there is something Ill be looking on youtube

I actually havent seen alot od this. Really appreciate the deep deep digs mate. Cheers

I like the idea of an Old One doing a hard reset with 'nids. They make a shadow in the warp which either suggests they're blanks, they have super blanks, or they have such control over the warp that they can just DO that. Which is reasonably capable of an Old One to create if you look at the Eldar and Kroks as an example. If this Old One is like the psyker of their race, he COULD be the hive mind, but something has to explain the complete 180 on it's attitude towards all life being sacred. 'Nids eat EVERYTHING and leave the rock barren. Maybe they store the "genetic" information?

Interesting, I've never heard of the Tau being reengineered Necrontier

Thanks so much for touching upon the Umbra and the Hrud! They're my favourite underutilised element of the setting!

Watching majorkill is honestly the calm in the storm of my life

My brain: Wait, are you telling me that there are magical god-like frogs? The other part: of course there would be...

Glad to see you put the calendar a year in advance this time

I literally just yesterday wanted to watch a video about this. Majorkill reads minds

It's be cool if we got some more recent lore on the Old Ones and a better understanding of the War In Heaven.

Hey Majorkill, if you were ever to make a primarch, what would’ve it been?

I used to fined your presentation style annoying, but you've really grown on me, and I find myself binge watching all your old videos. Keep up the great work mate your my intro into warhammer and it's great.

Oh I have done some serious deep dives into figuring out who or what the Old ones were, and from what I can piece together, the common view that the Old Ones were psychic toad people is incorrect. Mostly. The Eldar codex contained a passage in it's 4th edition that all but stated that the Old Ones were not a singular race, but MANY races.Several other passages from various Deathwatch supplements corroborate this. And they weren't very nice either, they apparently would create and destroy sapient life as they pleased, depending on whether or not they felt said life was either an asset or a liability/waste of time to deal with. From what I can gather, the Old Ones were like a much more psychically ascendant version of the Hierarchy from the Shakara comic series, if anyone is familiar with that (And if you aren't definitely look it up, it's a great read with great art!). The conception that the Old Ones are toad people is due to Warhammer Fantasy having the Slaan (And for a time 40k had them too in it's earliest editions, but they've been either retconned or simply dropped since) which were the first race created by the Old Ones in the Fantasy universe to oversee the Fantasy world. Another thing to note is that Humanity was *not* created by the old ones. Humans in 40k are a 100% all natural free range species, we managed to take over most of the galaxy without any help, baby!

Your work ethic is something inspiring ngl

Excellent and easy to follow, thank you.

Now that you mentioned it, i recently read that the Cabal had been killed, i skipped a few books so i could get to the siege of terra series. So could you make a video on how the Cabal met its match? John grammaticus is a G

*SPOLER ALERT:* IIRC in one of Gaunt's Ghosts books (perhaps Ghostmaker, that holds a number of prequel stories interwined with an ongoing narrative), in the final chapters Gaunt arrives to an Eldar temple with a ragtag group of Ghosts, inquisitorial troops, and a rival regiment's troops, where they find a portal being kept shut by an Old One, who proceeds to just *die* of old age, and forcing the accompanying inquisitor to stay with the Eldar and replace the Old One...

Cool vid majorkill wondering when you would make a vid about them

Hey @majorkill, my best friend has always loved 40k and has tried forever to try to get me into it. He plays tabletop and the modded version of it for Tabletop Simulator. Your channel has really helped me understand the setting and ignite a passion for it that I didn't know I had and I've binge watched so much of your content. Thanks for helping me at least "dip my toe" into this amazing universe it's been so much fun! Any suggestions for my first army? Weirdly I was thinking Iron Warriors because Perturabo is a boss even though he can be a pouty bitch.

The old ones are said to have the most advanced technology ever made that no other civilization after them has come close to them in not even during the dark age of technology, wonder what kind of tech they had.

The biggest "oh what the fuck!" Ever when an old one wakes up and sees what man kind became.

Great video MK. The lore might be spaghetti in regards to Old Ones but you managed to present it well.

Isn’t this a tablet that shows all the different beings the old ones made and the tyranid a are on it if I remember . As like a erase button they did make orcs that reproduce rapidly so it’s plausible. They are the pre gods so makes sense.

The Eldar never repaired the warp and in their fall even made it worse. That's kind of sad. But based on the map, the Eldar Empire wasn't that big and they seeded some worlds. It's not comparable with the Imperium. Also don't think it's the average eldars, citizens fault.

When the Old Ones created Krorks, they either forgot to put an Off Switch on the greenskins... or leave it there on purpose as a way to flip a bird in their final moments. "If we can't have the galaxy... *THEN NO ONE WILL!"*

Hello Majorkill, Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

At 1 mil i demand a flashlight. Also techmarines and how the fit in chapters and how they are viewed or if any of the techno barbarian kings before the unification war could be a threat in modern 40k

cool thing is if you ever want to make an old one, you can just use the slaan priest mini that came out recently as a base. they're identical, just with all that jungle stuff on them that you'd need to get rid of. as a base though, he's perfect.

I wish you would do another animation those were awesome

Plz do a video on which primarchs and legions if they changed sides during the heresy would have been a game changers for the other side

i still dont get why the old ones didnt give a s*** when first encountering the necrontier, when they usually appreciate life in any form. They even begged the old ones for help/mercy and were rejected. Feels like we just need more lore on that era!

Great video.

Awesome video, but I hope the next one is longer than 8 seconds

You should make a video about what if the old one come back to the setting

Just don't forget to get the right year for the calenders.

Good job and also is there any aussie folklore about an irish preacher form sligo during the famine days i wont to see if i should be proud as an irish fella.

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I believe that the Eldar betrayed the Krorks at the end of the war in heaven and took their accomplishments

Majorkill you should do a video on the life of a chaos cultists

Bro, it like 12.35am haha love channel, I'm cooked, should do something on the iron snakes, pretty bad ass novels Nd chapter.

Back in the 3rd or 4th edition, there was some talk in the fluff of the rulebooks about how Chaos was likely the only faction with the power to go toe to toe with the 'Nids' full numbers, but Chaos' problem was being largely confined to the Warp. Then you add in things like Doom of Malantai - which purees souls to power superlasers (imagine if greater daemons started ceasing to exist...) - 'Nids don't use Warp travel, Shadow in the Warp nullifies/negates Warp effects, Chaos causes mutations but 'Nids can to some extent directly control their own mutation, Chaos can't "turn" 'Nids who are in connection to the Hive Mind... I always felt that 'Nids, by the lore, were tailor-made to combat Chaos on its own terms. Who would ever want/need such a thing? An Old One. Though Necrons and how they operate potentially throw some big wrenches into the possible purpose (or lack of) in 'Nids.

the idea that tao are descendants of necrontyr who didnt join the ctan is cool. makes tao seem more iteresting

Video idea: top 10/5 most secretive imperial factions e.g. ordo sinister, grey knights, sisters of silence

So the comment about the Flood from Halo is sort of correct. If I'm remembering correctly the Flood wasn't created by the Precoursers but rather when the Forerunners were at war with the Precoursers to assume the Mantle of Responsibility the Precoursers more or less turned themselves into dust to avoid being genocided by the Forerunners and ancient Humanity found said dust and we're like "I wonder what would happen if we made a bunch of dogs rail this weird space dust" and the result of giving the dogs said space dust caused them to mutate and basically become the Flood which then almost wiped out Humanity and ended up causing Humanity to inadvertently end at war with the Forerunners who then created the Halo rings after realizing waaaaaay to late that Humanity wasn't attacking them but RUNNING from something which ended up being the Flood. Someone correct me if my memory serves me wrong.

Even Cybernetic Revolt in 40k aren't quite as bloody as the war that put terran dinosaurs to extinction in 40k history Me: *headcannons Eldar Gods as old ones that use wraithbone constructs as their new vessels* When Emperor blinded by his atheism, he also destroys old ones tech used to evolve humanity from apes

Tau are modified necrons? I haven’t heard that one before, I wonder if that theory deserves a video.

"When the milkyway was full of milk" faarken killed me.

Why is it whenever I catch a video early enough for my comment to be noticed, all the great ideas and quips I have prepared vanish? Sod it. Can I have a theory on if the nids are bugs, or the height of evolution... Crabs!

"The Old Ones were the strongest race." Meanwhile C'tan and Necrons fortnite dancing over their the unmarked graves of their entire species.

Holy shit tau being copies of the necrontyr kind of makes a lot of sense

Finally some exotic lore again, have one of my few non music upvotes. ❤

I was thinking it would've been better for the Old Ones to re-engineer themselves into a species only capable of gestalt intelligence and waiting for a time when this species could form a gestalt across their entire species: that being the Vespid. The Old Ones would've been physically smaller [think fairy sized], and then waited for a species like the Tau to arise and join them. Given that the Tau have barely any warp presence and that they're the only scientifically minded society they have the best shot at dealing with chaos, the orks, the tyranids [proved that already], and even the Necrons.

Bro I fucking shat myself when you opened with that milky way crack, I've never heard something like that before.

Tyranids as a rested option created by Old Ones makes sense.

My own head-canon has the Tau being influenced by some AI remnant of the Men of Iron who created the Ethereals like a biot/organic robot that was able to influence the attitudes of other Tau without being a Psyker, which is also why they were able to advance as fast as they did in the short amount of time they did, because the AI already had access to the STC Library to help guide them along.

i just realised that the fall of the necrontyr is just the fall of Numenor

Just here to take credit for the theory that humans where created to cleanse the warp from being tainted during the war in heaven. 😏 I came up with that theory in a comment for one of the videos of baldermort. To rephrase this: BOW TO ME! No, i just wanted to say i hope you like the idea. ^^

Would be cool to see a current time character have a conversation with an old one.

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Next Video: Can other factions be corrupted to Chaos? Eldar, Orcs, Tau, etc. Would be interesting to conceptualize individuals in the other factions aligning with the different Chaos Gods and what that would look like

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Crusade day 9:the top ten community wholesome moments would be great

Gork and Mork! You had me at Gork

Love your work, you ever don't anything in Skyrars darkwolves aka caos spacewolves, I can't find much info about them so if your bored would love too see what you can find

A Bit of head canon fir me is that the Nids and the Tao and quasi accidental creations of The Silent King via experimentation's on how to bring back the Necrons organic form.