Did you know the Olympic gymnastics uses moves originated from hip hop? The continuous "airflare" has gotten very popular in the Olympics this year. It was first done continously in 1998 by a bboy named Pablo Flores.
I'm not saying he didn't, because I don't know, but if there isn't footage of him doing it continuous before the footage of Pablo doing it continuous, there's no "proof". It's like the Guinness Book of World Records. You need to have your accomplishment verified for it to become official.
I like how 20 year later there’s a debate .. when no one can prove nothing.. Pablo did continuous air flairs first give him his love and stop with the bs
I am 40.. I can't breakdance anymore, but never knew that this guy, Pablo Flores invented it. Rest in Power, Pablo! You made our youth so much better! I hope you are in heaven teaching angels the airflare
Kid Power Kurt Thomas came up with it in the eighties it wasn’t really considered standards gymnastics and I know who Kurt Thomas is because BBoys give props. Will Pablo be remembered by this sport or will it just become standard because gymnasts don’t mention Thomas BBoys do. I met a friend of Thomas once and it was incredible just to be that close. Will any of these gymnasts even care to meet anyone from soul control. I didn’t even here the announcers mention Bboying or Soulcontrol or Pablo. We didn’t steal it we gave props, if they give them back and admit we took it to another level they’re just representing bboying if they pretend it’s their’s yeah.. they are stealing.
First time I saw airflares was in a videotape VHS with B-Boy Moy, and he did like 10 in a row or something. I didn't see anyone doing single or double ones and it just blew my mind seeing that move like that.
@@MacMac1313 I was just saying that there may have been people doing flares as well, if they were doing this, anyway, it says in the clip that the vid is from 1959, in Nigeria, as some sort of celebratory dance. Its from a film archive company that. documented all kinds of shit from back in the day. Peace
A big differentiation is that gymnasts do it with legs straight which adds difficulty and they care about form heavily. Also no one will give them points for doing a lot. The first few are what counts. Also they pas very close to the ground. I have tried the gymnast flate i can't do it i smack my legs and lose momentum.
Lol ummm since the nineties..and yes Pablo was the first and I remember when two in a row was mind blowing and I’m honestly shocked it took gymnastics this long. Probably shouldn’t read in but I think they didn’t want to admit we had something they didn’t. Btw breakdancers typically use hard floor. If they are gonna bite they have so much to catch up on. I remember Freestyle session 3 I remember meeting soul control at BBoy Summit I spent time with West Coast rockers, Style Elements, Ground Zero, Bahm Tribe, OSA, Circle of Fire, Etc.... I was just a little punk but these are the happiest memories of my childhood and I miss the scene like crazy. We constantly gave respect to Kurt Thomas and Pablo and Kujo and Crumbz and storm and anyone else that created something new. I think biting is a completely outdated concept in bboying because there is just too much being built on these days. But if gymnasts are gonna take and not give props I think you can argue this is biting. Kurt Thomas was in a movie, he got opportunities for being great. People like the red bull all stars I am confident saying A they are not paid enough and B their bodies HURT. Watching people in there thirties limp around without any sense of retirement or even recognition makes me sad but I’ve seen it. I hope this brings money to our art... a lot of people I talk too don’t even know it exists they think it died in the eighties. If people from gymnastics seek out bboying and people get sponsorships or what not good. Otherwise I am embarrassed for gymnasts biting a move that is almost thirty years old in the most vanilla way when Korea and Japan are defying the laws of pyshyics and they likely will never know the thermonuclear awesomeness BBoys put out. No trainer, No gym, No Coach, just blood and concrete. Anyways can’t say I’m happy about it... unless it actually gets bboying recognized. Bboying is about telling a story with movement not just impressing people as an art gymnastics to me doesn’t really come close. Bboying is like jazz we play of each other we joke we clown we burn and blow up. Gymnastics they new exactly when those AFs were coming because it’s all scheduled it’s artisanship.
That's pretty much how I feel about dance in general; athletes get all the credit, but dancers are truly ambitious and crazy. I love any style of dance, and athletics I do not love, but reqiure in small doses. You mentioned clowning: that is completely absent from any sport; the fun, the freedom, the endless diversity.
Breakdancing is not really dancing; it's more like a no-rules floor routine of gymnastics on hard floor. Gymnastics is all about grace and fluid execution and real dancing is all about precision, listening to the music (and your partner) and fluidity. In breakdancing you pretend to dance for a moment and then go spastic on the floor just instinctively trying to force a bunch of difficult positions that go all over the place. It is impressive but it's not really dancing. It's a bit like the male equivalent of contortionists on talent shows pretending to be dancers only the women stay on their feet and bend themselves in impressive ways but they don't necessarily know how to dance. Dancing is not about being the fittest, strongest (breakdancing) or the most flexible (contortion) but about accuracy, coordination and timing on your feet.
THE HEADIEST FILMS I agree except everyone knew Thomas will Pablo still be mentioned in another five years. My concern is that they will bite and pretend it’s gymnastics as usual as it’s always been. I started watching gymnastics because of bboying will it go the other way, is this good for our art form.
@@dorjedriftwood2731 Thing is, Pablo didn't create Airflares. He was the first one to do continous Airflares. The very first Airflare was created by B.Boy Paulo Nunes (010 Breakers - Holland), back in 1989. Then B.boys like Crash Kid (Passo sul Tempo) and the one Powermover from Wedding B.Boys, improved it, back in 1996. Sadly Paulo Nunes never got mentioned anywhere, neither in the past, nor now a days. Then The End came around and made the first one hand Airflare. Then B.Boy Typhoon was the first one to do continous one Handed airflares.
I’ve been a Bboy for over ten years and stopped when I went to college and never knew who invented air flares. One of the hardest moves to master I only had three. Thanks for the suggestion RU-vid #planetbboy
Viral Killer because those bboys cant do air flares with straight legs and pointed toes and transition to flares while keeping straight legs and pointed toes, doing with straight legs fully spread out with pointed toes is way harder
Viral Killer idk about bboying, but in gymnastics you only get a skill's value for the first 1 or 2 iterations, after that, it's not worth it because you don't get any value added to your routine and may risk getting points taken off
it didn't look like he struggled too much. and half bboys can't airflare at all. let alone do flare to airflare to flare with straight legs the whole time
Nice video, respect to Pablo Flores. In France we do lot of airchair and variations and this is really complicate, airflare is simple when you learn it from good bboy.
Here I was watching breakdance yesterday saying 'those guys must be gymnasts, that's how they do it in the Olympics!' When you are ignorant of history, you can be convinced of almost anything....
Airflare created by many creative dancers in america and europe, but an original move not done before by martial artists, capoeira dancers, acrobats, or gymnasts. Much respect soul control crew and pablo flores👍 . True innovators
What I find amazing every single time is that the human body can do stupendess moves and no one knows it... until one human innovates and does something no one imagined, and then everyone's mind gets blown right open when they realize that if this other human could do that, they can too. In a few years the move spreads out and its suddenly not special anymore and becomes more and more amazing as others build upon past innovations. This means that the most amazing moves bboys do TODAY, will be so much MORE amazing in 10 or 20 years. Blows ones mind.
The flare (Thomas Flare) is something hiphop borrowed from gymnastics. Decades later in HipHop they used aspects of the flare to create the air flare. Years later gymnasts borrowed the air flare for floor competition. Even though the air flare isn’t popular in gymnastics and no one attempts it anymore due to no point advantage an air flare brings to the current judging system in gymnastics. It could change if the method to score the floor exercise changed but I highly doubt it.
The flare was first seen in 1978 by its originator Kurt Thomas and the bboy culture with the exploitation within the media had borrowed this from the gymnasts. Yes bboy culture definitely advanced this move but let’s give credit where credit’s due it was Kurt Thomas who first did the flare and the air flare.
Breakdanced & popped back in the 80’s when flaring from gymnastics became a breakdancing move. Pretty cool to see a breakdancing move now integrated in gymnastics.
It came from gymnastics the flare is a move you do on the horse.. He simply took it and improvised without the horse i suspect a lot of them watched some form of gymnastics for inspiration..
HOLY SHIT! That is old video from Freestyle Session! RIP Pablo! I remember after Pablo did it, the scene exploded with everyone trying to do it. LA Breakers, Havikoro, all the Koreans.
As long as they keep the name as "Airflares", it is okay for gymnastics to use it. The only other acceptable name would possibly be "Air Flores" In memory (and immortalizing the name) of Pablo Flores.
Si, Pablo Flores creo ese movimiento (Airflares).... Lo que se conoce aquí en México como airtrack, DE HECHO LE HACEN UN HOMENAJE EN UN FREE STYLE SESSION 8 EN UN EVENTO DE BREACK DANCE EN EL QUEEN MARY UN BARCO ESTADOUNIDENSE........ Y SI PABLO FLORES, RESPECT 👍🏼🇲🇽...... APORTÓ ALGO MUY FUNDAMENTAL EN EL BREACK DANCE Y A LOS BBOYS....
growing up and gettin into breakin in the late 90s i always wondered why gymnasts never threw an airflare in the routine.. seemed like crowd pleaser lol. cool to see sum props being given
Stinky Whizzletooth not the first time announcers new it was coming clearly part of his routine... much more concerned the announcement did mention its origins. Since they don’t even mention Kurt Thomas anymore I don’t express them to remember they didn’t invent the move in another few years. Biting doesn’t really exist in bboying IMO but that’s a bite if you steal a move from another art and don’t give props. Even Thai boxers give props to western boxing. And if you wanted to learn flares in the nineties half the time you we’re looking up Thomas Flares. To this day everyone at least understands it was gymnastics... BTW the pointed toes on gym flares is not so pretty to me and I bet it’s a good part of the reason they were hard for the gymnast because airflares are directly related to flares but if you’re not kicking your toes up it definitely makes you sit lower. Just a theory. Point being I grew up in Santa Ana I remember Soul Control, Style Elements, Ground Zero, West Coast Rockers etc etc. and back then every bboy knew who Kurt Thomas (inventor of flares was) They announcers didn’t even mention bboying or breakdancing. They coined the term airflare like they made it up. I sincerely hope bboying gets some recognition as being legitimately the hardest sport in the world because if a mid nineties move is big news they have so catching up to do. Hope Hip Hop as a full culture gets props.
He can probably do more than two in practice. No point in competition. You only have limited time, and won't gain many marks for showing the same skill multiple times.
@@qwertyTRiG Probably, I mean I watch a video of a famous gymnast(can't remember the name) learn airflares but coulden't seem to do more than 2 but idk.
@@qwertyTRiG the problem with comparing it to the pommel horse is that in breaking it's literally called the "virgin flare" and is an easier variation of the flare and an airflare is an even harder variation so yes they have been doing it for ages but not to the extent of breakers and it's not too far off to say its believable that he can only do 2
Some serious respect to Pablo for his innovation and drive! I think the debate on who got to TWO or multiple will always be up in the air(pun intended!!!) Texas during that time was the power move hub of the world and guys like Moy, Boy, Nightcrawler, Qreus and pretty much all of Down 2 Rock and many many more(please forgive me for missing a ton of names!) prove that! You can watch Beats and Peices ‘98 (on RU-vid) that showcases multiple airfares as well! No disrespect or anything like that I just think its very difficult to claim the first when it comes to certain things, this being one of them! VHSs were always coming out like a year after the event happened so that made it difficult then as well. Anyways, he definitely left his mark in our culture!
Yeah, no. The story I heard, someone saw an obscure vhs tape of some guy trying to do the air track. It was the Koreans who were the first to perfect it and complete it's form
The single airflare actually came around 1984 with Sidewalk Breakers in the USA. Continuous was Pablo in 1998. All the videos of Kokada have been not continuous prior to 1998.
Airflare wasn't invented by Pablo (or Mr. Kokada for that matter), but Pablo accomplished and establish the techniques continuous Airflares in its modern form today.
First HIP HOP borrowed the Thomas Flare then innovated it now its back to gymnastics.......there are also One handed versions and elbow versions and even Air Chair variations !
Hehe sooo don't copy this move anymore like one handed airflare , elbow airfare , turlte airflare, lostus airflare , tornado airflare bboy r one who created it ohhh... Sorry but gymnastics can,t this kind of move anymore
thats why its important that we respect each other rather than saying bboy>gymnast, "ooh we bboys can do this and that with ease, gymnast aint shit" etc
Sergio marcio lima ISSO MESMO PARCEIRO. FOI O BRASILEIRO *BBOY KOKADA* QUE FEZ O PRIMEIRO AIR FLARE EM 1996 E OS CARAS FALAM Q FOI CRIADO EM 1998 POR ESSE PABLO
Entiendanlo porfavor, hacer un airflare es relativamente "facil" (muy entre comillas) pero hace un airflare con tecnica, correcta amplitud de piernas y casi exclusivamente fuerza es mucho mas pesado de hacer.
@@bobommc13 - you don't know what you are talking about...lil alex clearly does air flares in the video at around 4.52 - 4.57 and icey ice was doing these also in the 80s...so please don't distort things and accept when you are wrong
Check out Texas in March of 98, we was already doing multiple airflairs to a combos , BEATS AND PIECES 98 you also see KNIGHTCRAWLER attempting 3 Airflairs the footage haves always been there , why yall think we was killing it at freestyle session 99