The One Major Advantage Clone Troopers Have Over Non Clones 

When someone calls a clone a Stormtrooper. 😡

@@timalsept2854 That's a quote from Captain Rex in the Rebels series, refering to the fact the Empire had phased them out for the inferior stormtrooper. Basically saying "Hope you brought actual soldiers to deal with us."

@@Kit_the_Kitsune I know that I just wanted to vent about people calling clones stormtroopers.

*bring lol

​@@timalsept2854 i mean they become Stormtroopers later on after the Clone Wars ended

*almost always there were some traitors like in umbara

^ | Accurate correction.

​​@@defender1214 and on Crystophsis(hope I wrote it right) with Slick.

@@defender1214Umbara wasn't clones being traitors (at least to other clones), that was Krell ordering them on each other

I think it’s really cool that is part of the canon

Which disproves what Gen Tech was saying. Clones aren't trained in all types of combat. The clones were forced to learn to fight in space because the Kaminoans didn't create the perfect military and thus didn't make nearly enough pilots

@@tk-6967 Well thats only true of legends in this case. Though arguably still learning in simulated training for several hundred hours still gives them more credence to be capable than say, if an infantryman had picked up a manual and read through it.

That’s definitely a good point

And they didn't actually do what Gen Tech said, making this so-called 'perfect army' even less perfect. Clone pilots, gunners and other specialised roles, even something seemingly more basic like 'heavy troopers', 'engineers' and 'snipers' were all specially trained clones. Regular clones were either not at all trained on how to do these things, or had very little training. This became a huge issue for the Republic when they had a pilot shortage midway through the war. The Republic had to use Spaarti cloning to compensate for lack of numbers, training became of even lesser quality until the Spaarti clones made stormtroopers from SW Rebels look competent. Needless to say, a lot of this was also the fault of Mace Windu and the Jedi strike team on Geonosis for doing that dumb rescue attempt, which not only saw almost 200 of the finest Jedi warriors killed (the arena battle only), but also saw the death of the clone donor himself, Jango Fett. This was a huge blow to the Republic.

They are though. If you take pre Disney media most stormtroopers have better aim than U.S Marines IRL when they're not being told to miss like in ANH. By contrast clones and yes, b1s are freakishly good shots. The average reg in TCW can knock over B2s with ease, send 600 pound dwarf spider droids flying with a kick, melee a group of trandoshands, and wrestle commando droids to the floor before ripping their limbs off. They're literally stated in canon and legends materials to be improvements on Fett in terms of their strength and durability from genetic enhancement. How that works and how much they're enhanced varies but they're still stronger, faster and more durable than Jango Fett could ever be. The reason we see clones as 'weak' is because they are from the perspective of force users and cyborg super weapons like grievous. Or against battle droids they're outnumbered 100 to 1. To a natborn of any species weaker than a Wookie a clone trooper would be terrifying. To a small battalion (100-200 individuals) of Stormtroopers, Rebels, Planetary Militiamen, etc Five Clones would be a major threat.

⁠@@IsaacVizasLurie The reason we see clones as weak is because they are still treated as cannon fodder in the Clone Wars. When I say clones should be operating at commando level, I’m saying that Clone Troopers in Star Wars should be on par with what we’ve seen of Clone Commandos. With only a few million clones to wage a Galaxy-wide war, especially against trillions of droids, one clone basically needs to be a one-man army. Sure, I’ll accept that the whole war was staged, but then why didn’t anyone stop and ask “Hey, we’re supposed to be outnumbered a million to one; why didn’t we lose in the first week of the war?” I love Star Wars, don’t get me wrong, but scale has always been an issue in the universe’s design.

@@IsaacVizasLurieyeah, the Jedi's horrible tactics may have killed more clones then the droids, like just throwing special forces into the front lines as though they were droids

​@@Expressmusic457 one thing to note, most of the jedi did not have much understanding of military service, most republic officers are only slightly better. So from the very start every cline was being misused and improperly led which obviously made a lot of problems through the war. If the jedi were smart they would have sent detachments to every world to train local militas in everything they need to know to hold their world while reinforcements responds but little of that happened. For some reason the jedi never thought that far or were rarely proactive in situations. The Training they have is not in rambo style badassery but basically being tought nearly every occupation needed for a functional army, the kaminoans did not even know wether or not the clones will need to be self sustaining as in there are normal humans doing the logistics side so they covered everything. They can function as a police force because they had training in de escalating a situation, they can maintain and repair equipment on the field and everyone knows how to conduct inventory and requisition equipment and the list goes on. Fighting is actually 10 percent of the military, the rest is each and every clone either knows or is fairly familiar of and can participate. Arcs and clone commandos on the other skipped those extra occupational instructions and focused on what directly impacts their mission objectives, so they probably don't learn about working on a starship or starfighter or know how to do field surgery but in exchange they got more time into tactical operations training instead. The commandos in particular had very specific teachers who taught them what they felt is the most important of being in this occupation.

No inventa cosa, casi todos los stormtrooper ademostrado tener terrible punteria ​@@IsaacVizasLurie

And then he tried to replace Fi as the groups funny man. I love Corr, dudes such a mad lad, bro literally likes sharpening knives on his fingertips, best party trick ever

He is Risen! 🤍

@@ColonelStan easter isn't about your desert fairy tale

It is. No matter what you think. God loves you. Have a blessed day.

​@f-86zoomer37 , it's so funny to me how you narrow-minded morons simply get offended by someone celebrating something within *their* own lives. Something that doesn't pertain to you at all. Your comment tells everyone exactly what they need to know about you. Instead of trying to belittle others about what they believe, maybe take a step back and look in the mirror, and you'll see that negativity is all on you. Not only are you a narrow-minded sadistic fuck, you're the problem. Eat shit, and God bless.

@@ColonelStan there is no god. Easter was a pagan holiday

That headbanger was probably assigned to the Death Star.

It was Stalin who said it

The Empire had improved abilities to find these people though. Stormtrooper HUDs and other equipment would deactivate if the registered user didn't where it, and rebel infiltrators wearing armour weren't that hard to detect. The reason the Empire wasn't able to stop infiltration is because Rebel infiltrators were simply really good, meanwhile the Republic didn't have that problem since the war was rigged.

I could be wrong but I believe there’s a Legends What-if comic talking about if the Republic won with Sidious plan to end the Jedi also failing. Since the war over and the Republic didn’t need to keep an army as expansive as the clone a portion was sent to Mandalore to be citizens while other star systems took other battalions in for other citizenships as well. Some became bounty hunters, some re-enlisted in other smaller armies or defense forces, and some were free to live their lives as they pleased.

Opened youtube at the perfect time gang

Yes it was intended to win. They sucked at it, which is why it took so long. Palpatine was even forced to outright leak the location of a top secret battle droid factory because the Republic was having such a bad time against the droids it produced

That's more of a technology difference...

It isn't true for regular clones though, Gen Tech is just making up lore because we actually know that positions like pilot, engineer, sniper and driver were all specialised roles that regular clones weren't trained for. In Battlefront 2 they even mention this becoming a problem by the midpoint in the war, because the Republic simply didn't have enough trained pilots, so infantry clones were forced to do basic flight tests.

@@tk-6967I mean, I dont think Republic Commandos game is cannon friendly as well XD But that aside, he still has a point. It is true for real life soldiers as well. Abit in a reverse order. Example A crew of a main battle tank is "trained" and "specialised" for that role. But first and foremost they been trained with the basic in for standard foot solider. So in the heat of the battle, if their tanks suddenly being unable to fight, but the crew is still alive, then they can dismount and fight. Just until they get back to base to get assigned a new tank. What I mean is that even through you have like logistics, tank crews, SPG crews, and so on. They all had been through the basic soldier trainings. So when the shit hits the fan, you can expect that the logistic personal will try to fight and defend themselves as well

@@Danspy501st Isn't that true for most armies in Star Wars though?

Not to mention MCT itself is already the abridged version of ITB

Badass killing machines? Aside from ARCs and Commandos, nah not really

Nah, he is wrong. Clones *should have been* trained like he said, but the lore makes it very clear that they weren't. Clone pilots were specifically chosen when they were young for specific test results, and then trained separately. The Republic ran into a shortage of pilots midway through the war, so regular troops were forced to train in basic simulators only at that time.

@@tk-6967 ah, great to know.

Not really. Clones are far too expensive to be considered quality, because they didn't perform nearly well enough for their cost.

No

Much more so, yes

No. The reason is simple, the war was rigged, thus the droids were also rigged. The Republic navy was complete shit, and the Republic was losing the war despite the poor tactics of droid forces and the loss of many important CIS organic commanders. The Kaminoans hadn't trained nearly enough clone pilots, and they simply couldn't handle the droid fighters. This forced the Republic to send more and more regular troops into starfighter duty.

@@tk-6967 well every Star Wars fan knows that the whole thing was rigged; but it's not that simple. Palpatine knew he needed a special force of adaptable military personnel to keep up with the Jedi. And no it wasn't complete shit. It perfect and what was needed to encourage the Jedi to commit to wreckless tactics and the more wreckless they got the greater the chances they would get themselves killed. Many clone troops were pulled off the battlefield and put into the cockpit because the clones were far superior to the droids. Basic droid combat programming was shit to begin with and all you have to do is watch the Phantom Menace to know that. At the start of the war it was extremely rough for the clones and the Republic but after the outer rim siege campaigns it was turning around swinging things in the Republic and the Jedi. The clones were exactly as I described and they did great despite being so heavily outnumbered.

@@ImNtDead The Outer Rim Sieges were towards the end of the war, and most sources make it entirely clear that the CIS could have won at any point had they been trying, to the point that even the most ardent Palpatine supporters couldn't deny how weird the CIS tactics at the battle of Coruscant were. TPM shows that the droids were relatively competent. What it does show is that the Gungans, despite being primitive and isolationist, were formidable, and it shows that the droids were only beaten because of the Chosen One, or rather plot convenience. No, the clones weren't 'put in cockpits' because they were effective, the Republic was desperate because the droid navy was simply superior in every way to the Republics. They better ships, better starfighters, etc. and were only held back by Palpatine and co. sabotaging them.

@@tk-6967 oh sorry I'm not talking about the fight between the gungans and the battle droids I'm talking about when the Naboo Royal Fighter Corp went up after the control ship that had a thousand vulture droids. The vulture droids are entirely reliant on numbers. And I'm not saying the clone troopers were put in the cockpit because they were great at it, it's because they were capable of being put into that role. The clones were the superior force being more flexible and innovative in coming up with new tactics prior to and during battle. Palpatine needed them to be that. He didn't just need a force that could execute the Jedi the moment he gave the order he needed a force that can stand against extreme odds and they needed to be able to do that both on the ground and in space. While it is suggested that the CIS could just overrun the Republic with their numbers its mostly not that simple. After all Dooku needs to play his part as the head of the CIS which saw themselves as planets who were just trying to be free of the Republic. They probably expected Dooku to wage a mostly defensive war for independence. In the Clone Wars cartoon we don't get to see a lot of the politics that take place with in the CIS like we do the Republic; but I imagine Dooku was doing the same thing as Palpatine consolidating power under his control.

@ImNtDead The Naboo pilots were well trained in starfighter combat. That is a key difference between them and foot clones. No, clone creativity had nothing to do with why Palpatine picked them. If he cared about sheer effectiveness, he would have used a non-human donor or just went with droids, but neither of those were politically viable. Fett was chosen by chance ultimately. Besides, the reason the clones killed the Jedi never boiled down to their 'creativity', it was because the Jedi didn't expect it and couldn't fight their overwhelming firepower. Not only that, but the Jedi had already been severely weakened by the war and were spread out thin. It wasn't that difficult for the clones to eliminate them.

The video kind of just lied btw. regular clones weren't trained to do anything but fight as foot troops. Yes, the Kaminoans should have done what Gen Tech said, but they didn't, and this was even brought up in Battlefront 2 when the clone narrator mentions that the Republic was short on pilots and many foot troops had to start learning in flight simulators in their free time so that they could get into starfighters. We also know from source books that the original clone pilots were picked from when they were young to train in their role, it was not standard issue training

So sad, the dolphins got them. 😢

DNA doesn't give fighting skills, though. The only thing it contributes is that it gives you Fett's physique and face.

DNA is pretty meaningless to be honest. Dooku could have got any human with a natural advantage in physical activity for the job. Honestly, the only good thing about hiring Fett was in the EU where he gets tons of Mando mercenaries he knows to help in the training process, it is less about Fett as a donor but the experience he has. Mace Windu really fucked up everyone's plans when he killed Fett.

"Good soldiers do what they think is right."

> "The Nexus Route." Case in point.

What? You think that Sidious wanted the CIS to win? No, he wanted the Republic to win. Had Sidious wanted the CIS to win, the clones would have lost the battle of Geonosis.

He actually didn't. A single clone was usually able to handle multiple battle droids simultaneously in most episodes.

He didn't nerf clones. He actually gave them way more plot armour than we have ever seen. Clones generally speaking died in their hundreds or thousands in the EU, but in TCW we only see a couple hundred clones die in the most severe of ground battles.

😂 are you daft??! We DO??!! At least my time in the Marines I was crossed trained for stuff! It happens! That’s why you have ANGLICO, combat , drill instructors , weapon system operators , you have, WOs, Range coaches , etc, etc,

The clones didn't have that btw, Gen Tech is kind of just bullshitting because if the Kaminoans were actually smart, they would have done what he suggested, but no, clone pilots, tank operators, etc. were all specialised roles that regular foot clones weren't trained to do.

The Corps already does man. We may be small but it’s why Pendleton and 29 Palms are so massive and it’s why there are places like Bridgeport and training areas in Oki are still used

@@carsoncasmirri3874 Oh wow then use it on a higher scale