This just shows that Qui-Gon was the only Jedi master that could train Anakin to his full potential. He never gave up on him and showed great empathy to him, a far cry from the other Jedi when they interacted with Anakin.
It's kind of ironic because Qui-Gon was almost the complete opposite to Obi-Wan. With Anakin, he was patient, empathetic and listened as you stated, but with Obi, he was almost cold and distant. Obi-Wan's very first lines in the prequals were "I have a bad feeling about this" (which Qui-Gon disputed) followed by "It's not about the mission, Master, it's something elsewhere, elusive". Again, Qui-Gon rebukes Obi-Wan telling him not to focus on his anxieties. But when you think about it, Obi-Wan was RIGHT. He was sensing a much bigger and darker picture to this whole trade dispute. It gets worse because after shooting down Obi's observations, Qui-Gon then turns around and pretends he's the one who notices them. Later in that same scene Qui-Gon says "I sense an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as this trade dispute", hinting to the exact thing he just scolded Obi for. And later too when they landed on Tattooine and Qui-Gon is leaving the ship "Be weary, I sense a disturbance in the force". Obi agrees with him but has a sour expression like "I freaking tried to tell you!" Qui-Gon repeatedly denies and shuts down Obi-Wan and only once or twice do we ever see him be complimentary to his padawan.
Anakin probably would've seeked help from Qui-Gon when Padmé was pregnant, and Qui-Gon would definitely help. But it was not to be, the force works in mysterious ways. Qui-Gon did his duty to the living force, played his part.
Qui-Gon was very empathetic, like a father and mother to Anakin. Obi-Wan was a good man but didn't give Anakin the kind of relationship he needed to succeed.
Qui-Gon actually knows more than he's letting on. Even as a Force Ghost, he doesn't let his ideals overrule the natural flow of The Force. As Qui-Gon sees Anakin enter the Dark Side, you notice he never says "this is wrong" or "this must be stopped" Think about that.
@@gunlover5564 i dont agree with that simply cause he was too emotional at times....as much of the light side is good. Its also really only empathy not really "niceness". As in yoda is kinda a cold individual, along with mace and even obi at times...they all readily dismiss feelings if emotions in preference for connection with the force
Isn't it funny that, despite the Sith claiming to know the secrets of immortality, the technique of becoming a force ghost, a way of preserving one's spirit through the force...is a Jedi technique?
Because becoming a Force ghost is a light side technique. The Force is balanced in the light side, and it requires balance within the individual and strength in the Force for them to be able to retain their identity in the Force after death. That’s why only certain individuals ever become Force ghosts, like Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Yoda. You see certain other beings with a sufficiently strong relationship with the Force, like Revan, become one with the Force when they die, but canonically only the three I mentioned have become Force ghosts. Sith can become phantoms, tied to a specific object or place and can temporarily manifest themselves if there is enough Force energy around that object or place for them to pull from.
In Darth Plagueis book Plagueis thinks that becoming a Force ghost entity is a "lame" way of immortality. Because ghosts can't physically interact with surrounding reality, thus all sith tried to gain immortality only in physical way.
Imagine if Vader was communicating Darth Plagieus's Force-Ghost who was giving him helpful advice on how to outsmart and dethrone Darth Sidious, interesting Plot Twist!
Nah. You can't just give the Sith what took the Jedi so much plot work to achieve. You break the balance of the conflict and the story for contrivedness
Would be interesting to see an alternate story where Qui-Gon survives his encounter with Maul, and goes on to train Anakin, acting more as a father (that he needed) and less like his brother (what Obi Wan wanted to be). The three of them fighting alongside one another would have been awesome.
@@trveheimer6360 He became terrified of losing the people he loved after what happened to his mother. Then the Jedi told him he can't have a romantic relationship (wouldn't that piss you off?)... His fear of loss, and resentment of the Jedi led to him being manipulated.
@@RickySpanish12344 so there has been said alot about the legit criticism on the jedi esp during the republic, being a mere tool to a corrupt state etc pp but in all you say about anakin i only see character flaws and weakness. i just cringe over him being such a 3edgy5me character and disliked most pieces of his dialogue in the prequels. prefer the anakin of clone wars for sure. EDIT; also wtf is that padme anakin arch anyways
The "vergence in the force" quote is when Qui-Gon was talking to the council & the "Dreams pass in time" quote was Obi-Wan talking to Anakin in Padmes apartment when Zam had the poison worms go through the window. That was Vader hearing the past.
Only Anakin had his memory wiped of Mortis, and even then it was just back to the point right before the son showed him the future. I think that afterwards they say something to Rex like “you wouldn’t believe us if we told you”. Also, Yoda references Anakin’s encounter with Qui-Gon directly in his arc at the end of season 6. Anakin tells Yoda that he believes it was an illusion.
Qui-Gon's relationship with Anakin is beautiful. Qui-Gon loved his very much. He tried to helped him several time. I like this story :) He was right about Anakin. Vader was just another obstacle. Part of Jedi training. He always loved him :) May the Force be with you too :)
@@Cts_99 Yeees! Even when Anakin turned to the Dark Side of the Force and became Darth Vader, Even while trying to kill Obi-Wan Darth Vader still referred to Obi-Wan as his Master. He would call Obi-Wan this multiple times throughout the Saga!
I think if qui Gon was still alive annikan may have been a bit more mature or stable because jin would have been like his father and he needed that more then a big brother figure as obi kinda was
I feel like Qui-Gon would not have tried to pull Anakin from the dark side, only try to stop him hurting too many people. I believe that he would have understood what the prophecy truly meant - where most only saw that the chosen one would destroy the sith, he knew that both the Jedi and sith had to be destroyed to bring balance.
What if the prophecy was only using the term destruction metaphorically and by bringing balance it meant bringing peace between the two sides by finding a compromise of ideals
the dark side is the disbalance in the force as stated by George Lucas himself. lightsiders maintain the balance in the Force by acting as instruments of its will, whereas darksiders throw it out of balance by making *it* an instrument of *their* will. however Darth Vader's facilitating or directly being responsible for the purging of the Jedi of his time may in fact also be seen as being part of his bringing balance to the Force as they had all fallen under the influence of the dark side in two ways. Firstly by being more concerned with protecting the interests of the Galactic Republic, and as such being attached to it despite their own injunctions to shun all attachment, rather than meditating and acting upon the will of the Force. And secondly by shunning more or less all study of the dark side due to *their fear* of its seductive nature, despite their preaching that it is fear precisely that is what leads to the dark side.
I'm always amazed at your ability to rephrase the same thought into four different sentences. Your ability to rephrase things four times in a row amazes me. Amazement is the feeling I feel listening to you make a single thought into four sentences. The way you repeat a single thought four times is something I'm amazed by.
@@alien9279 yeah, it's the algorithm. Bums me out too because you can feel it in a lot of creators rhythm. Wish they were able to present their content truly how they want to. This channel is so weird because I LOVE the information and the graphics, well really everything but the repetition. Somehow it makes my brain super tired super fast and I feel myself zoning out even when I'm interested.
Qui-Gon Jinn is definitely one of my favourite Star Wars characters ever! He was killed off way too soon but made sense in terms of the overall story. The phantom menace is probably my favourite out of all 6 movies George Lucas himself originally created.
Your standards are pretty low if Phantom Menace is your favorite. It's pretty universally panned by 99% of Star Wars fans as easily being the worst out of the six films Lucas made, though that wasn't due to Qui-Gon or Obi-wan being bad. Attack of the Clones is easily the second worst. That said, my favorite is a tie between Revenge of the Sith and Empire Strikes Back.
@@james_ford86 typical sw nerd taking issue w/someone's personal opinion...what's funny is ep3/5 are probably your favourite only because others say those are the best and you actually have no opinion 🤣
@@Sam_KC_BMX Did you call someone else a nerd when you yourself is a nerd? Dude don't throw rocka from glass houses lol. Before you act like a fool yes im also a nerd I'm watching a star wars vid on RU-vid. Should add you also have a problem with his choice of favorite movies lol hippocricy is strong with this one 🤣
Honest question. Would it be ok to think Anakin did bring balance to the force? There were an entire (for lack of a better term) race of Sith, until bane created the rule of 2. Then Jedi out numbered them. Anakin reducing the Jedi thus created a balance in the force. Just a thought that’s been on my mind.
@@SevenPr1me Still a very crucial tool and possibly Anakin's destiny. I do believe balance in the force means not to much light or dark. Its very possible Anakin participating in Order 66 was part of the chosen one prophecy...just one omitted/misread from the Jedi.
I guess in a way he did. He helped destroy the Jedi during Order 66 and then destroyed the Sith by killing Palpatine on the Death Star II. The destructions of both sides brought a sort of balance, even if it didn't last for very long.
That's a good question and good reasoning Randall; I've read the other replies and I'm leaning towards what @Lonely Chameleon said. Anyway, that is a good question, hope The Stupendous Wave covers this topic.
@@vintage2653 that’s the way I was thinking of it. Maybe him be the one to balance the force was exactly what he did. If he “eradicates” the sith, as they thought the prophecy to be. Then it’s completely light, thus creating imbalance. So, him participating and practically giving Sidious confidence to give Order 66 was all apart of the balance of the force.
In Empire strikes back, Vader talks with Luke about destroying the emperor and ruling the galaxy as father and son. Some could see it as a ploy to tempt Luke into the dark side. But in Return of the Jedi, the last time we hear Vader say to Luke "You don't know the power of the dark side" sounded to me like he was warning Luke about the Sith and the power Sidious had over him.
I always saw it that way too. Basically Vader was saying: “Sorry son, I’m a light sabre swinging battle droid. I can’t take the bugger by myself. Need your help.”
It occurred to me recently that Qui Gon could have survived. Darth Maul was cut in half, and Anakin was saved through medical science, but it seems to me that Qui Gon was the kind of Jedi who revered the living force so much that he would not have wanted any intervention to prevent his death.
@@kennymarket2428 that’s not necessarily true depending on the story there was Jedi and other force users that healed or could heal. Or just the use of medical science like right away. People live a long time if they are gut shot. He was gut stabbed. Takes a long to die in reality from such a wound. But he may have been paralyzed. But medical science of that day would have been able to give him the ability to walk. But like I said the living force and qui gon respected was tied to more nature than science I guess.
Yeah, the wound should be at least partially cauterized. For movie purposes though, Maul is probably capable of finding a precise spot to strike to ensure a slow death. Probably blew through some major arteries, ex. the mesenteric.
Yes but qui gon jinn was stabbed by a lightsaber. People who are gut shot don’t have stuff the temperature of molten lava eating away at their guts. Judging by the rate qui gon burns through a metal door with it, half of a persons gut would be incinerated in an instant.
Obi wan, qui gon and yoda stand watch as luke sees his redeemed father slip away. Yoda turns to obi wan and qui gon and say "told you i did, not to fucking train the boy"
0:09 "don't say that master, you're the closest thing i have to a father" --anakin talking to Obi-Wan. I mean Obi-Wan was more like a brother but he was definitely a paternal figure of some kind to anakin
I'd sure like to see a Part 3 of Qui gon training Anakin. You had some really cool plot ideas in the first 2 videos. Interested in where you have the qui gon dooku fight plotted out to go. Even if you don't make a video on it or share any of it with anybody you should finish the story if you haven't already. You have good ideas and that should never be wasted.
The thing about Vader hearing Qui-Gon in the Temple is he must have realized that truly was Qui-Gon because he NEVER heard him say those words, the first part yes but the "He will bring balance",never. Anakin was never there to hear Qui-Gon tell Obi-Wan "He is the chosen one. He will bring balance." This is a flaw and is probably to be Retconned at some point in time.
He said it to him in a vision from the animated clone wars "you are the chosen one and you must be tested." It's a very brief scene that shows Qui Gonn and Anakin on Dagobah
You should focus on the living God, repent and follow Jesus! Repent doesn’t mean to confess your sins but to stop doing them altogether. Likewise only people that follow and obey the Lord will get into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36.
Can someone animate a final confrontation between Anakin and Darth Vader, just before Anakin picks up Palpatine and gets him into the shaft. In Vader’s mind, Anakin is resurrected for the last time, while Vader is in disbelief, he fights Anakin, believing he will destroy Anakin like he did the last time, until finally, Anakin defeats Darth Vader, redeeming himself and saving his son from death, finally fulfilling The Prophecy
Qui-Gon would have been the perfect and best suited mentor for Anakin had he lived. Because they both have more in common as maverick Jedi who don’t always agree with the Jedi Council.
You should focus on the living God, repent and follow Jesus! Repent doesn’t mean to confess your sins but to stop doing them altogether. Likewise only people that follow and obey the Lord will get into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36.
Then that’s not balance. No, it doesn’t matter what George Lucas has said. George Lucas also said that Boba Fett died in the sarlacc pit, there was never a Jedi - Sith war and lightsabers are too heavy to do complex fights with.
The memory wasn't fully erased after mortis, but it felt rather like a dream for them and no one could actually tell if it happened or not, eventually Anakin told the council about it and again Yoda after he heard Qui Gons voice as well. Still great video, may the force be with you. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4rQLgydA4ls.html
Qui-gon tells the councile after returning from Tatooine with Anakin "I have encountered a vergence in the force" to which Mace Windo inquires "around a person?" and so the the words he is hearing is what was told to the council in The Phantom Menace (approx 1:25 on Disney +)
It´s weird that the Jedi have all of these rules about who they will train, but what are the rules about ejecting someone from training. How was Anakin given a pass after killing an entire tribe of Tuscans? That seems like a clear violation of everything a Jedi stands for and you can´t clean up that error. They didn´t want to accept him precisely for that reason and when he fulfilled what they predicted....using the skills they taught him, they just let it go.
I’m pretty sure that the Jedi council did not know. Not only that but they ignored a lot of things in their service to the republic, especially during the Clone war. I’m pretty sure Anakin only shared what he did with Palpatine.
Its telling that Qui-Gon reached out to Anakin following Vader's first encounter with Luke. Vader already sensed something was different about the boy even before he learned Luke's identity. Its possible Qui-Gon Jinn knew that that was the moment to breathe upon whatever embers of Anakin remained alive within Darth Vader. Perhaps he sensed that awakening what eventually turned into obsession was the only way for Anakin to finally triumph over the monster he had become.
When he says the line about a vergence in the force it’s from phantom menace when he’s talking to the council trying to get them to train Anakin so it can all just be moments from the past. It’s the first time they show Yoda and Mace I think so it should be easy to check it out, it’s how he initiates the discussion about Anakin after talking about the mission they were on. I only bring it up because it seems like that was the deciding factor in your opinion that Qui Gon was present and speaking to Vader.
For anyone that questioned how Qui-Gon could have a fully formed Force Ghost, outside of Mortis. Why would he not be able to? He has enough knowledge to speak through the Force, keeping his consciousness. He can still keep learning. If anything you could spend eternity learning more of the Force. The physical realm no longer limits you.
I thought they’d explained that Qui Gon hadn’t completed the force ghost stuff so could only create a visual form through strenuous effort, meaning he’d be closed off for a while after manifesting a ghost
If you watch attack of the clones when anakin was slathering the tuskian people you can actually hear qui gon telling him Anakin, Anakin Noooo...just put the subtitles on and you see that he is speaking to Anakin...
I agree that what Vader was hearing were more like echoes of the past rather than intelligent comments. To build on what was already stated in the video, "I have encountered a vergence in the Force," is what Qui-Gon said to the counsel when first reporting about Anakin. "He is the Chosen One. He will bring balance," is what he said to Obi-Wan before dying. "Dreams pass in time," is something Obi-Wan said to Anakin when the latter said he doesn't sleep well anymore because of his dreams of his mother.
It's also deep when you realize that QuiGon believes in the Living Force. A balance of Light and Dark that creates a true ecosystem. He understands evil must exist and that it is the battle that levels the scales. That the rigid rules of the Council and the Order were going against the Will of the Force. It's why he defied them on the regular
Qui-gon knew the order was turning into blind zealots, he was one of the last of the reasonable Jedis of the order. I’m almost certain Anakin wouldn’t have fallen to the dark side if he was Qui-gons padewan
If I may, I think that Qui Gon Jinn was able to talk to only the Jedi portion that might have been left in Anakin. Qui Gon was a bit of an enigma. He was a bit of a "radical" in the Jedi Order. He like Master Fey (whom he actually harbored feelings of love for) was an adherent of "let the force guide my will" which was not regarded as very popular among force users prior to 30 or so BBY. Most force users were of the mind that the force was either something to meditate and learn upon (Jedi) or controlled and forced (Sith). And Qui Gon, whose master was one of the "lost 20" being Count Dooku who was himself once a great and honorable Jedi who was padawan to an even greater Jedi Grandmaster being Yoda himself. Qui Gon remarked saying he respected Dooku and even believed in some of his tenants, but he was a harsh master and may have pushed Qui Gon to even question whether he was really following the will of the force? Vader knew that Qui Gon had struggles and was often questioning the Jedi Council (much to the council's admonishment) hence he was still only a Knight, when he should have been a Master. Just like Anakin felt upon his ascension to the Jedi Council, when Mace Windu conveyed Anakin's seat to the council, but not the title of Master ,as he had not yet earned that title. It did not help the guilt he felt over Ashoka Tano leaving the Order as she was his padawan. Since she did not become a Knight, he could not be declared a master. This added to his growing anger and as as for Qui Gon, it only added to HIS frustration with the council. So in a way, Qui Gon faced the same struggles as Anakin/Vader and was held down for his beliefs, just as Vader felt by the council and his pain for his friends and Ashoka.
Edit: So as far as Qui Gon speaking to Anakin ,he tried to reach the "good" left in Anakin. Which might have triggered a lingering doubt that was often punished by Emperor Palatine as "weakness". But Qui Gon was not strong enough, it took an even stronger Jedi in the form of Vader's son Luke, to reach thet portion Qui Gon could not reach. Even Obi Wan at the end realized this.
@@theapexfighter8741 Alright that is my bad, Qui Gon Jinn had feelings for Tahl and that is legends. But, his style of "the will of the force" IS similar to Master Fay.
Master Qui Gon Jin does represent the calm saviour archetype; a man following the path of transcendence and seeing that the order meant to teach such had become stagnated and dogmatized, someone who is there for the ones who were unjustly treated and was there for them, acting proactively and defensively for them rather than becoming an aggressor. The path of transcendence offers the possibility to remain deeply influential after passing away of which the saviour archetype fulfills, wherein Qui Gon Jin was the first force user ever to discover this. Not following the rules strictly is part of this saviour archetype and is willing to do something different when the will beyond themselves/Force asks for it. They also made the path of transcendence easier by having walked it first for all others prior. All of this perfectly encapsulates Qui Gon Jin.
Out of everything in this vid the part that stood out the most to me was the image of obi wan, Yoda, and qui Gon looking over Anakin and Luke. Yes I said Anakin because he turned back into Anakin at that point he wasn't Vader. I still wonder now what all of them thought about the situation
But Qui-Gon does use the vergance in the force line when he first speaks to the council about anakin, and Obi tells anakin that dreams will pass when he's telling anakin not to dwell on his nightmares about Shmu I think these were just memories, in both cases
0:30 He looks like he's holding Anakin hostage and is going to activate his lightsaber through the kid's neck if he doesn't get a helicopter and $1 million in unmarked bills.
Lot's of people saying sith can't be spirits, I'd suggest everyone learn more about Revan. He redeedms a dark lord after he himself returns to the light.
I need to see this mini-series. Apparently you can watch it on your phone, I only have Internet on my phone, not on PC, so going to download the Disney Plus app, purely so I can watch this. Just saw Revenge of the Sith for the first time and am totally enthralled.
Also I hear all the time about Obi Wan picked Tattoine for Luke cuz it would be the one place Vader would never visit and all that. But that doesn’t even make sense anymore cuz apparently Obi Wan didn’t find out Anakin survived until 10 years later, from Reva telling him.
I thought it was common knowledge that Qui Gon reached out to Anakin whilst he was killing the younglings? In Attack Of The Clones when it cuts away from Anakin killing the Tusken Raiders to Yoda meditating, you hear a voice that says 'Anakin!' 'Anakin!' and the voice is Qui Gon Jinn
5:28 Is that true? After the Mortis Arch; Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka, all had their memories wiped after that event. I remember Anakin having his memory wiped from the Father, when the Son gifted him visions of his future but I didn’t realize that all three had their memories wiped from that event. Where was that was confirmed?
watching Darth Vader in the movies sometimes i used to wonder if he wasn't struggling suppressing Anakin Skywalker. that all it took was to see Luke being on the floor suffering from Darth Sidious's Force lightning to "come back" to the light side
Imagine the chills that went down vaders (probably turned back into anakin) spine when quingon came and spoke to him. Failure, sadness, resentment for obi wan…
Obi Wan: You were supposed to bring balance to the force not leave it in darkness Vader: Ok but like the Sith was easy to get rid of there's only 2. The Jedi were the hard ones to get rid of
I didnt know everyones memories of Mortis were wiped. After seeing the episode for the first time i just assumed they all agreed it would be pointless to tel rex and the others what happened, but told the council who ultimately decided there was nothing they could do
So sidious is actually pretty smart to just sit on his force nexus planet in the unknown region, simply controlling clones or other pawns like snoke using the force. Not only is he more powerful while there, but he’s able to control the pawns better. Makes you wonder what would happen if they were able to build robotic bodies that could manipulate the force.
So I was just thinking. You know the chosen one is supposed to bring balance back to the force. The dark side of the force is weaker than the light side right? So could anakins destiny possibly have been to fall to the dark side to bring more power to the dark side and in the end bringing balance to the force by bringing down the numbers of light side users to make them equal to the dark side? The scales were weighted on the light side so didn’t anakin level out the scales by giving his power to the dark side and diminishing the power of the light?
Episode II (Attack of the clones ), during the sandpeople slaughter. If you listen closely before Anakin final head chop. You can hear Liam’s /Qui Gon jinn’s voice “ ANAKIN “!!!
I was hoping this vid would educate me on why qui gon says "anakin. anakin. noooo!", as ani starts to slaughter the tuskan raiders in episode 2.. it sounds like qui gon said it thru one of the tuskans & felt the saber..
ACTAULYL, intresting lore fact i learned: the area of tattoine where obi wan lived, near the western dune sea....IS a force nexxus! So it makes sense qui gon could appear as a ghost in that area. (now as this was established BEFORE disney, i am not sure if this is a FACTOR, but..i doubt its a coindence.)
This would never happen. If there is one thing that the Kenobi show taught us, it is that to see force ghosts is something that only happens to the light-side force users. One would have to master the skill of balanced meditation and be in total peace. This is why Kenobi only saw Qui Gon after he accepted that Anakin is dead and it wasn’t his fault (Jedi are not supposed to kill so he was not at peace within himself from the Mustafar duel outcome, prior to fighting Vader in episode 6) Vader always had a spark of Anakin in him but not enough to have had these the force ghost seeing qualities. The dark side equivalent is essence transfer (like Momen having spiritual presence in the mask that possessed Vader) 😂😂😂😂😂
Qui Gon never gave up on Anakin. Despite his horrific crimes, he still saw the goodness in heart heart, deep beneath Vader's armor. Qui Gon never stopped being his father.
Obi Wan anakin and Ashoka didn’t get there memoirs wiped after Mortis. They all remembered the happenings in the nexus. The only thing anakin had wiped from his memory was the visions of the future the son showed him
To be honest, it’s hard not to empathise with Vaders character. Raised in slavery, mother murdered and manipulated from being a young child by a trusted father figure. Even when Vader often uses his powers to humiliate people or kill them for the smallest slight there’s a certain insecurity that comes off of it. He’s genuinely just a very broken man. Obviously, that doesn’t invalidate or legitimise his actions but it actually paints him more as a child lashing out over and over as opposed to this dark, looming monster.
I feel like Star Wars reckoned itself with the Obi-Wan show. Even though Qui-Gon was a force ghost in Mortis, it was because Mortis was a, if not the most, powerful force nexus. Tatooine on the other hand, he would be like a whisper if not a quiet voice because Tatooine isn’t very force sensitive.
