The Original Pokemon Rival Is A Fraud And I Can Prove It. | Pokemon Investigation 

plot twist: he had access to his own trades, gift pokemon, gear, and could jump over cut trees on his own.

''If I'm Wearing A Bikini... Where Do I Put My Pokéballs? Teehee... Woman's Secret.''

Requesting more videos like this one

How about exploring every single bin in the Pokemon world for items like that one bin in the kitchen?

​@@shogundy1so here's the thing: you should be counting the version exclusives, because enemy trainers can have them. It's just a gimmick to make you buy a link cable. But in universe, the rival should be allowed to have those version exclusives. Route 4: Sandshrew Route 5: Bellsprout

That was my exact thought. He definitely has some stones that you don't. Thunderstone for the Raichu too. Of course the same logic could apply to in-game trades too, there could be an unknown number of trades that the player can't have access to because he already did them. Considering that he's always ahead of you on everything for the entire game, I see no reason to think he didn't do both of these things.

No real evidence to support that he's rich. His Grandfather does own a lab which may be expensive to own, but wouldn't you think the rival would also live in a mansion and not a house similar to yours. The money he gives out to you pales in comparison to the rich boys who give you 1600 Pokedollars on your first encounter versus Blue's measly 80 pokedollars in his first match, which even in the champion fight still caps at 6300 pokedollars. His clothing is also not something rich people would wear even if they are minimalist. Dude is far from rich.

@@MrCheezecame here to say exactly that

@@ShaulaXNinja Bruh you think that just because they're rich, you're entitled to a higher tip? laaame that was a joke for anyone who doesn't understand them

@@alexanderelderhorst2107okay try to explain the house, how come blue’s house looks exactly like red’s? If he is indeed rich

And maybe there were more pokemon available through trades, and he got to them first too.

@@EmpyreanRagnarokThat doesn't work, since he tells you to find them in grass. He doesn't tell you to do more trades.

This applies to the other evolution stones and it also applies to Saffron City potentially not being blocked by Team Rocket yet for Blue. If so, he could get all the pokemon around the centre.

If he had the others why not use them then?

@@TheRagev3 Why does the rival only use 4 pokemon if he has 40? He's training different teams/catching different mons.

that means he's not playing the same game you are, which means he's cheating by accounts of breaking the limits of the game.

the no trading rule was arbitrary anyway. you and him can just trade for those pokemon and thus I would not say it's cheating at all.

-trying to prove Blue wrong -gey proven fraud by comments

⁠@@woobgamer5210but version-exclusive is a concept outside of their understanding, as it is only created for us players to trade irl. If it’s in the pokedex, it is catchable for them.

@@RoyJic still breaking the limits of the game WE are playing

Totally agreed. After you defeat him in the league and you get your national dex, he is angry at you and says to oak that he's caught more pokemon than you, regardless of the amount you have. So if you completed the kanto pokedex it means he already got from another region, and if you completed the national pokedex it means he has pokemon not created by the time in real life (from sinnoh) Nevermind he in any case should have one-off pokemon like the legendaries. He clearly lies

This comment shouldn't be so far down the list, that was my first thought. Why are we trusting he isn't rounding up. Our even doubling his actual number just to sound impressive. I mean, 10 year olds never exaggerate right?

You read my mind. He was totally rounding it up. Heck, maybe he didn't quite remember precisely how many it was and just remembered 'oh, it's close to 40,' so he went with 40. He's too cool to need to need exact stats. Either way, if you tried calling him on it by saying he only has 39, he'd probably roll his eyes at you and be like "yeah, and? that's still more than you have" and tell you not to be so pedantic. It's like if he said "it's 2:30 pm" and you went "um ackshully it's 2:27 pm"-- while correct, it makes you look petty and childish. So he wins either way. It's foolproof.

Maybe he encountered a missingno.

There is a headbutt TM that can be bought in Goldenrod City that allows a trainer to easily catch an exeggcute. From Johto's port city, traveling to Goldenrod City, a trainer could encounter a tauros, magnemite, meowth, raticate that is level 16, and some johto pokémon. In Pokémon Red north of Cerulean City players can find a venonat, that's below level 10. Venonat are also found in Johto's forest south of Goldenrod City.

@@dakotashroom5401I don’t think fire red and leaf green have the headbutt mechanic

@@dakotashroom5401not doable in firered/leafgreen

​@@dakotashroom5401that's Johto This is Kanto. That mechanic doesn't exist in this game

​@@dakotashroom5401 why are you talking about what appears to be gen2 GSC or gen4 HGSS versions? Headbutt mechanic doesn't exist in RBY and FRLG versions.

Finally someone who mentions the fact that the guards are most likely only mean to you.

Dam that's a good point. I brought up oak in bill's light house tells ash gary had already obtained 45 pokemon. So it has to be legit.

He is the rich grandson of the highly respected Professor Oak. He has money, the influence and possibly the better look than our character. He is just winning at life and has access to many opportunities we will never have

@@tevinstrachan1421 He could also have access to knowledge that is exclusive to a professor's family allowing him to find rare Pokemon (that are version exclusives).

Two other avenues. The snorlax had not blocked off the route, he had time to catch pokemon up or down from the snorlax and comeback before the snorlax settled to sleep. As an influential kid, Rival has access to the different rods. allowing him to catch a number of water pokemon you do not have access to.

No! He's a big meanie!

I was thinking this yesterday while playing OG Red, he's actually very helpful and also pushes you to catch up to him and be just as strong as him. He's not the jerk I thought he was as a kid.

@@kxngxerxes. My generation, maybe yours, had Gary poisoning our view of Blue.

Yes and Oak is actually liking Blue more he lets you choose first so blue can pick the one with advantage. And at the end he is just going to the league because blue became champion. He would not be there if the player won first.

Ikr. I also noted how deep down he cares for us, but he did give the impression of an annoying brat so theres that. Idk if the remake rewrote him to be less of an asshat or he was always like that from the original.

Exactly what I was thinking

Starter --> Starter2 --> Starter3 (Pallet Town) Pidgey --> Pidgeotto --> Pidgeot (Routes 2, 3, 5, 6, 24, 25) Rattata --> Raticate (Routes 1, 2, 4, 22) Spearow --> Fearow (Routes 3, 4 11, 22) Nidoran (M) --> Nidorino --> Nidoking* (Route 22) Nidoran (F) --> Nidorina --> Nidoqueen* (Route 22, In-game trades on Routes 5, 11) Caterpie --> Metapod --> Butterfree (Routes 2Blue , 24Blue , 25, Viridian Forest) Weedle -- > Kakuna --> Beedrill (Routes 2Red , 24Red , 25, Viridian Forest) Pikachu (Viridian Forest) Jigglypuff --> Wigglytuff* (Route 3) Magikarp --> Gyarados (Buy on Route 3, Fish with Old Rod anywhere) Zubat --> Golbat (Mt. Moon) Geodude --> Graveler (Mt. Moon) Paras --> Parasect (Mt. Moon) Clefairy --> Clefable* (Mt. Moon) Ekans/Sandshrew --> Arbok/Sandslash (Routes 4, 11) Abra --> Kadabra (Routes 24, 25) Oddish/Bellsprout --> Gloom/Weepinbel (Routes 5, 6, 24, 25) Mankey/Meowth --> Primeape/Persian (Routes 5, 6) Farfetch'd (In-game trade in Vermilion City) Drowzee --> Hypno (Route 11) Diglett --> Dugtrio (Diglett's Cave) Mr. Mime (In-game trade on Route 2) Thats makes 48

My thinking is that it's following a classic Japanese game design trope- set your rival up as impossibly better than you 1 more of a thing than you can possibly get. We see it in cases of impossible to win battles, or the race in Zelda ocarina of time Actually i was wrong. I calculated out what red and blue are capable of getting prior to the ss anne fight and got 41. No trades, no trade evolves, 2 moon stones only. So I'm dumb

Yes but the devs also made it very possible to get mor than 40 at that point. If you just use what the game gives you its easy to have mor than 40. The level cap and stone limit is bullshit. He just wanted to fail to prove a point.

@@johnny4616 Ok, it's all fine until you check what HE said, "Catch" Remove the evolutions as catch, you will end up as 24

By that logic, there's no way Blue would focus on overleveling weak Pokémon just to get their evolutions faster, if he's not planning on using them. Would he stunt his starter's growth in order to train weak fully evolved Pokémon, knowing that starters are really strong? The fact that Ivysaur is only level 20 indicates that he has no Pokémon above that level, if he really is training up the best team he can.

​@@luluzin5022 His grandpa-given quest was to complete the pokédex, not to be an overleveling munchkin. So why not? Mind you, in all battles except first and last he isn't seeking you, but accidentally ran unto you.

Blue probably uses Abra to teleport from A to B, since by that time in the game he doesnt have enough badges for Fly yet.

@@jayzeetv Can he do this if Teleport only warps him to the last Poke Center he visited?

I agree, also he runs into you passing by. He doesn't seek you out to show you his ace team, with the exception of the 5th fight in silph and the 6th fight after Viridian Gym.

holy fuck what a fucking chad

I’m bringing your number of likes to the 2nd gen

Only because he placed limits on himself when Blue doesn't have the limit restrictions you have. For example getting an Alakazam while you can only have a Kadabra without someone to trade with. I would allow whatever is accessable up to SS. Ann. If you grind in Digletts cave you can have well over 40 in the Pokedex

Bro that made the little song play in my head wtf

I like the idea that Chuck has actually evolved a bunch of Pokemon, but he is sandbagging to make the fights against you fair. He's sitting here with some level 60 pokemon, sees his childhood rival, and decides to play up the meanie act and throw the fight to help motivate you to do better

You can catch pokemon that are below the level required to evolve. In Heart Gold i encountered a wild lvl 15 gyarados

Exactly s as if he did propose that as a hypothesis around 24:30

At the same time you can catch a legendary the moment you get surf...

And yet you're just downright better than him at the end of the game. To be a master and all that.

There would be no reason for Rival to bring only 4 Pokemon to the fight (max lvl 20) if he actually caught over 40.

I always thought that it was because he had access to all available, not limited by "exclusivity" of the versions

Exactly. And the player does have access to them through trading, so this video is disingenuous in saying that they can’t obtain them. Very easily boosts the count over 40.

Well, your rival doesn't have a Vulpix, so...maybe he traded his exclusive for a growlithe in leaf green?

In my mind, version-exclusives should really count to the score. Its only point in the game is for you to trade with people irl, but in the perspective of Blue and Red, there’s no such thing as version-exclusives. If Growlithe is present in a particular grass, so should Vulpix.

Is trading not a concept that exists to y'all?

​@@stateofdisarreiRival has a method to "very easily" boost the count over 40, and yet sandbags by bringing only 4 Pokemon, of which the highest level is only 20? Yeah, I don't buy that.

with trade you can literally complete the dex at any point, it just doesn't make sense to the rival to not use this

The guy who did the video probably doesn't understand anything and spouting bs

@juliodonofreo the ingame trades are part of the game. His argument is that they only trade once, so they wouldn't be available for the rival. But by the same logic, there could be trades available for the rival that are just not available for the player. And NPC are not limited like the player. He can move freely in this world. If he wants to go to a city he can just take a bus.

By my count, if not restricted, he should have 40 by the time he leaves MT Moon

I was looking for this comment! What if he traded his Ekans for a Grimer with a rocket grunt? What if he received a gift Jynx? Those are pokemon he wouldn't use but could definitely been in his PC since every time we see him, he's always ahead of us, in a new area. No wonder he left us Farfetch'd and Lickitung trades, and even Mr. Mime who's a lot worse than Alakazam

Awesome. I was looking for someone else to say this too.

Yeah, makes sense that he could pass on trading his Abra for a Mr. Mime.

Makes sense. He traded with in game NPC traders. I traded with a finished game and completed the pokedex at the start of the journey... 😅

the same can be said for the moon stones

What a jerk. At least my first rival wasn't a jerk, just a trainer with no patience and couldn't stand still for 10 seconds.

Its not about story.. its about progressing of the player's collection... By his stand, the op was not able to get 40 pkm through catching before 20 lvl cap but he also ignore the fact that the rival's rattata was able to evolve under level requirement

​@@shironoyami7002But he did get to 40, and could have gotten more. In addition, I found his reasoning for barring trades and subtracting moonstones makes no sense.

@@Reepecheep Exactly. He could have other trades that weren't available to us.

Why does he only have 4 Pokemon in his party? He has no issue using all 6 later in the game. Why keep 36 pokemon of different kinds in the PC, when that puts you at a severe disadvantage?

He probably only kept only 4 low-level Pokémon in the party to get some handicap, just to be fair to the player ;)

Not to mention He could just be better at finding pokemon. There's nothing really saying he couldn't have found something like a Route 1 Tangela or Likitung, and you just can't.

And he could have more and just stated 40 assuming you didn't have that much Because if you don't play by "his" rules you could have more than 40

I think the version exclusives should've been included. The player has access to player trading. And lore-wise it could be seen as you trading with just some other trainer. Even if you use the same progression and level rules imposed on both players in the trade, this can bring it up to 40, even excluding Dugtrio.

He have more money so he bought two versions of the game

That would be supported by the anime, where he has over two hundred pokemon, but not a finished pokedex.

I mean let's be honest he's implying he has 40 different pokemon.

He may be implying it, but that doesn't mean he's not being intentionally misleading to make himself look better.

Exactly what I thought

He specifically said 40 kinds, not 40 pokemon, though.

Exactly my thought

True, Arcanine is a version exclusive so it does hold true

So that would bring his total to 41 if he did all that. Damn it Blue you missed one 😂

That or he trades

This and the trading are probably the best canon answers

Maybe you've just now discovered the story of the house in Pewter City, with the people who own a traded Nidoran that doesn't listen to them... since Blue may have caught one on Route 22 ;)

Yeah. Maybe he WAS offered Farfetched and Mr Mime but he considered those too weak and didn't make the trade... which is why they're still available to us! Maybe there were 5 potential trades and he took 3 of them. He's got some version exclusives buffing up his numbers

If the player plays Pokemon Fire Red then the rival plays Pokemon Leaf Green, and vice versa

​@@jhgvvetyjj6589but he has Arcanine despite the game, so no.

He has money too, he can buy the rods instead of beg for it lol

Heck they even bring that up in Kalos that he was able to learn Kalosian easily but still told people "smell ya later"

He was never an asshole in the game really

I think it's more the cocky pose he takes for some battles, his smug little smirk in his official art, how much of a brat he is at the start, and his boasting, all of it wrapped up with the feeling that he's being condescending towards you, especially with those tips. In RBY, for instance, on the S.S. Anne, he tells you to crawl around in the grass. Finally, listen to his theme and tell me that's not the theme of a jerk.

I think a lot of people look at Gary and they look at Silver and they go “Oh, Blue must’ve been really mean, because why else would these guys be mean?”

@@FerreTrip indeed a jerk theme

And why are we assuming rival’s telling the truth about doing it catch-only? He’s probably trading with other players off camera. He’s got both Oddish and Gloom! Beedrill and Butterfree! And a load of late game stuff to boot! 😡

@@lindsaywheatcroft8247 Gloom is above the level cap. Beedrill and Butterfree are included in the total.

He might also have just asked some rando for fresh water instead of going all the way to the biggest shop in the country just for that

This was my thought when he was talking about the lack of moonstones

Also, maybe he used the only thunderstone to evolve Pikachu!

really? how? doesnt sun and moon take place years and years after red and blue? or was that sun and moon 2 where it's more implied that it took place years after?

@@sonic-bb…what? are you illiterate? do you understand what you just typed? of course Lillie heard of an event that happened years before SuMo

Also that his uncle is a Pokemon professor, so he most likely knows about IVs and evs. So well he might not be using the most evolved Or most level he might be using the pokemon with the most promising IVs. And he does think he's better than you so actually isn't crazy to think that he'd use a less powerful team just for the extra bragging rights. Why am I trying to save the integrity of someone I hate? Lol

​@@craig2196All of his pokemon have 0 IVs and EVs

@@craig2196because you want anything discrediting him to be all the more justified because it is tested on multiple aspects

@@truekurayami why would I want to discredit him?

Could have ended the video in under 5 seconds he do not even have a team of 6 pokemon and not even at final evolution.

Maybe there were 6 or more Moon Stones in the cave, and he came across 4 of them before you reached them.

@@Zuxtron I mean it's possible. I think it's best put that we are playing with the same limitations on what pokemon are avaliable and where we can go but not all game rules apply like what items can be found since that ides means we as the player are competing over the same items which isn't true

He also could have found other items, maybe a thunder stone.

​@Carson_Neiss its also possible he found a better fishing rod than the old rod. While it's cheeky game design, we can't blame blue the character for potentially having access to items found by the player later. The character would have no way of knowing the player wouldn't be able to find them

Also if we're calling into question that he's not allowed to have version exclusives or evolve Pokémon early, then by that logic nobody should ever have version exclusives or early evolutions. It's implied through Lance being a master of the dragon type that with his training, he's able to have at least one Dragonite, so why would it be any different for Blue to have a Raticate?

Bill and him did trade backs to fill out dex entries, new canon.

@@Carson_Neiss might be more canon than you think when you realize he had to trade in order to get his Alakazam

Those only register as Seen, don't they?

i think that dialogue is simply a reminder that you can see all the eeveelution from Bill

it is pretty smart to use thief to get those moonstones. but I do wonder how u use thief on a low level pikachu to get lightball though?

You'd have to use a super low level Ratatta in order to try looking for a light ball on pikachu

Imagine that scene: All the Hikers and Youngsters went to Mt. Moon to train and explore (plus that one Youngster who is there to "show off to girls" ;) ). Team Rocket and Super Nerds are there for the fossils. The player character shows up and immediately tries to stop Team Rocket despite bearly knowing anything about them... And in the middle of all of this, the rival is like "I'm just here for the Moon Stones or whateva them shits called".

You can also get the held items by catching the Pokemon and then removing them from them once they're in the PC. Using Thief where possible is just more time-efficient.

@@globalistgamer6418 well, also money. Pokeballs are only free if you farm apricorns.

This is a stronger statement than the whole 30 min video

It would be very easy for the programmers to just adapt the number of pokemon he says at this dialog to be your current number + 1

Would certainly explain why Farcetch’d is so bad. No way Blue would want THAT…

I don't play modern Pokemon but there is no way Farfetch'd is a bad Pokemon in gen 1

@@Thatsnotgonnawork While I wouldn’t say Farcetch’d was the absolute worst pokemon even in Gen 1 (this was before abilities, items, etc. to make even Magikarp scary in the right conditions), it was pretty bad. Bad stats, thin movepool, etc. It got STAB Slash with good crit, but even double damage and STAB didn’t help it much. Especially since you had to trade a Spearrow, which is better since it could’ve evolved into a Fearrow. Even its NAME is a sign it wasn’t intended to be good. Its Japanese name is a reference to an idiom, ‘a duck comes bearing green onions’. The second interpretation was that anybody expecting something so convenient is a sucker, a ‘duck’. Farfetchd’s nickname is ‘Dux’

@@narutardkyuubi Badge boost+swords dance trivializes most of the game. Easy accessibility, faster exp growth, ect gives it an advantage over other Pokemon. He's also one of the better HM slaves. No way you can call that a "bad" Pokemon lol

⁠​⁠@@narutardkyuubiI always thought it was a reference to Frank Dux from Blood Sport, the Jean Claud Van Damme movie

Maybe he gave the two traders their Mr. Mime and Farfetch’d.

Dugtrio isn't even that good. Sure its fast and hits hard but it has really, really bad hp and defense.

@@Victoria3WorldConquerer Goofy, that’s all you need to be good in Gen 1-3. Hell, that’s still what makes top tiers top tiers now in Gen 9. And Arena Trap is one of the best abilities in the series.

@@DCBiscuit Well i'l admit I don't know much about gens 1 to 3 but in gen 9 its really not good. According to pokemon showdown its tier is PU (the lowest teir).

@@Victoria3WorldConquerer Because trapping isn’t really worthwhile in Gen 9. Dugtrio in Gen 3 locks in targets it can finish off and it kills them. In gens where it isn’t top tier, it’s usually a stat thing more than what it can do. Dugtrio’s 100 attack is considered just good in Gen 8 and 9, so you can see part of the problem there since 100 in Gen 4 was outright great. But there’s a reason why Shadow Tag and Arena Trap got their users banned, with one of them being stuck to a Mega Pokemon.

It's feasible, but not by the Rival, who only has 4 in his party. Dude is either hardcore sandbagging (which is highly unlikely, since he has no issue using 6 Pokemon later) or lying. I say he's lying.

​@@dontcensormebro3217My guess is he fought so many trainers and his few pokemon fainted that's why he has only 4 🤔🤔

@@master_0f_gaming None of his 4 Pokemon that he uses show signs of weakness, status, or any other battle related issues. I doubt that 2 of his Pokemon are perfectly fainted, and all others are fully healed with no status conditions.

My only guess here is he's using what he wants to use and not what's strong. Which is kinda out of character for Blue but we're trying to explain how he has 40 pokemon by this point which I never knew was something hard. But I've always been a hardcore pokemon catcher.

@@fae_baobhan_cernunnos it is out of character... until you remember that the mechanics of the game dont aply to their world. things like badges allowing you to train pokemon to a certain level. lets not forget the anime, ash's charizard refused to obey him, even after he had all gym badges. that is a mechanic that is there for us as players, but the lore in game shows that pokemon respect and love their trainers based on how they are treated. so, its very possible that he did caught that many pokemon, but because he treated most of them like shit, they simply refused to obey him. which forced him to just ignore them as weaklings, or useless. its the same reason why his starter is still at first stage, but at level 18 at the bridge. or why some pokemon can be fought or even caught at lower level than they can evolve at. so i do think he did caught those 40 pokemons. its just that, he did not see them as usefull for one reason or another.

That's what I was thinking. Sure, we can discount the Farfetch'd and Mr Miime trades available to us, but we have no idea how many 1-time trades he made ahead of us that we just never know about. It's still overwhelmingly likely he's a bold-faced liar, but we'd never truly prove it without asking to see his Pokedex. Sadly Red's not much good at talking and asking such things...

I mean he did say he caught them plus he seems the type to not want to trade as much as possible because theres no way you (or someone else) caught better stuff than him

we know for a fact that he traded with someone. It is literally the only way you can evolve his kadabra. And I also think the term "caught" is the same thing as getting them from a trade. If you're going for pokedex completion, trading isnt optional, you'll still say caught.

@@taviamemories3087 right but he would have to trade back or else someone elsw just gets his alakazam

@@dylandownie4989 that's fine. He probably did. He has an Alakazam, so he did factually trade. I saw a theory awhile back, that maybe he offered somebody his ratacate in exchange for evolving his Kadabra.

The early bird gets the worm. Not that i agree with that statement.

I find it weird the content creator excluded pokemon like Zubat and stuff because of level requirements because who says that blue did?

@@Londonlink ESPECIALLY when he mentioned the Raticate. If he uses a pokemon that needed 4 lvl to evolve what makes him believe Blue doesn't have many others that evolved earlier than the norm?

same here, though I don't remember if I had 40, 41 or more or wether or not I used trade to even top that

@@merlin3361 I definitely did not use proper trades, as this save was on a phone emulator, but I guess I had done the in game trades that were possible by this point.

Is it coded like he checks the number of Pokémon and always has them +1 or always 40? And what happens if you have 41 or more (thanks to trades)?

@@Lucarivyle Always 40, under normal circumstances that would be enough of a flex.

@@Lucarivyle he always says 40. If we have 41, then he just makes a fool of himself by saying that he has 40, and you feel much better because you outdid him :D

Oh that is definiitely bullshit. Some kid in the anime pretty much proves that levels aren't just a game mechanic thing.

@@olivercharles2930 - You mean the same anime that said it would be a good idea to bring a Haunter to battle Sabrina, that Arbok could evolve into Seviper, that you can damage a Rhydon with electricity, and regularly gets the sizes of Pokemon wrong?

as well as not being locked out of areas by needing a tea or whatever it is

he. blue is a male. keep this they them shit away from gen 1

I remember that from the anime, but was Blue being rich actually implied in the gen 1 games too?

​@@MisterSpeedStackingcome on dude using "they" singularly is regular and common and has been for hundreds of years . This is not some "they them" shit, no one is after you or pushing an agenda by speaking english

@@spitfiremase please show us a historical text calling napoleon, charlemagne, queen elizabeth or newton a they them and not by their proper genders

That's exactly what I was thinking

Maybe he just hopped the fence and found a Tangela right by Pallet town.

"You can just 'level' your Pokémon, but me? I had to struggle." -Blue, probably

Yeah this video is literally just a way to make some money lmao, there's nothing here that even comes close to actually "proving" this.

Yeah I mean there’s no limitation on NPCs to have version exclusives either. The moon stone thing was silly because there’s nothing to say he didn’t find other moon stones in mt moon than the player.

How would he have gotten through the fossils in the way if he came before you?

@@mostlysure1077 the fossils? They're literally just some rocks on the ground. He went around them. Or picked it up, walked past it, and not recognizing what it was put it back

@Terrible_name the player can't put it back or walk around it. And why would the rival put it back if it could easily be transformed into a free pokemon later?

@Terrible_name It can't just be because he just didn't recognize them. He'd have no reason to put them back. And he shouldnt be allowed to do that either since the player can't put items back.

@@mostlysure1077 But in context, we are the players playing a game as a poor 10 year old who just got kicked out of his house. He is a person living in a world of magical creatures with a VERY Influential family, and nearly endless money & Recourses.

Yeah, droomish should have got the two trade pokemon to make it 41 and see if the rivals text changes

wondering that myself

@@furball192 it doesn’t, Prof. Oak challenges would’ve made that dialogue popular by now.

Guys, this is GameFreak we're talking about here. Got to keep those expectations in check. (And yes I know they've included special dialogue with hidden/obscure requirements before, I'm only half joking)

​@@alexcallendereven then, it's not game freak's fault. The Pokemon company and Nintendo are the ones that force them to rush out buggy messes. Look at the newest Pokemon and characters and stories; they are all pretty fantastic. The performance problems and glitches are pretty obviously due to the game being forcibly rushed.

Mostly valid, although he did not get an invitation, he disguised himself as a waiter.

My math to land at exactly 42 Pokemon (since he says "more that 40"). Without using any stones; no third state evolutions (save for the Viridian Forest bugs); respecting the existence of version exclusives: [Base Pokemon obtained before Viridian Forest] Starter, starter's evo | Pidgey, Pidgeotto | Rattata, Raticate | Spearow, Fearow | Nidoran F, Nidorina | Nidoran M, Nidorino [Viridian Forest] Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill | Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree | Pikachu [Aroung Mt. Moon] Magikarp, Gyarados | Jigglypuff | Geodude, Graveler | Zubat, Golbat | Paras, Parasect | Clefairy [Around Cerulean] Oddish/Bellsprout, Gloom/Weepinbell | Abra, Kadabra | Sandshrew/Ekans, Sandslash/Arbok [Around Vermillion] Mankey/Meowth | Diglett, Dugtrio | Dwozee, Hypno | Farfetch'd Furthermore, it's also possible that Blue found some Moon Stones at Mt. Moon (like other commenters here suggested). If Blue is not bound by the "version exclusives" mechanics and can catch both Red and Blue Pokemon, things get even easier, since we can cross out 3 of the most far-fetched evolutions (like Golbat, Graveler, Parasect, Hypno, Gloom/Weepinbell). Notice Dugtrio can be caught in Diglett's cave, and having Gyarados at this point is not out of the question, if Blue bought a Magikarp at the Mt. Moon PokeCenter. TL;DR Blue is not a fraud... he is just nuts about always zig-zaging every single location to make sure he caught all the species that live there (remember how later in the game he says he spend time in Lavender's Poke Tower to catch a Cubone, while also [hopelessly] searching for a Marowak - until he figured out no Marowak can be caught there); and he always trains everything to make it evolve at least once. He's just very serious about his grandpa's endeavour of completing the Pokedex (and his own idea of dunking on Red ;) ).

I’ve always wondered what goes on at those wild S.S. Anne parties. 🫣

@@ArCgon Actually your calculations don't work as well when you rememeber the level 20 restriction. Golbat, Graveler, Parasect , Gloom, Weepinbell, Sandslash, Arbok, Dugtrio and Hypno all evolve after level 20. Farfetch'd is impossible to catch before SS Anne and he obviously didn't trade for it since player can still get that trade. Also we will rule out both Dugtrio and Alakazam, since we are running with the assumption that Blue would use the strongest pokemon available to him. Additionally let's just assume that Oak bought Blue all the necessary evolution stones because he sucks at buying presents. That means that if Blue is obeying the exclusives restrictions he can only catch 38 pokemon (33 normally and 5 are stone evolutions). Now here's the thing, we know for a fact that Blue can get version exclusive mons because he always has Arcanine therefore he can catch 36 pokemon normally and with the 5 stone evolutions he barelly passes the mark at 41 pokemon caught by the time you meet him in SS Anne. So yeah in the end Blue is still not a fraud and he even is corrent when he said that he caught "more than 40" pokemon. It just seems like all of his one time trades were version exclusives.

This video also doesn't take into account that he might be going for a living dex, even with a ratticate he may also have a rattatta

Also could use the theory that he caught a Dugtrio in Digletts cave, it got transferred to the PC when he caught it and he subsequently boarded the S.S Anne not giving him a chance to withdraw Dugtrio from the PC 🤷‍♂️

@@tiredenby437 That wouldn't matter. If he caught only one Rattata and evolved it, it would count as 2 Pokédex slots just as having both at the same time would.

Given the amount of times he ambushes you on a route or when you're fighting through Sylph Co., i wouldn't say this asshat does anything fair.

If I were blue I wouldn't use Dugtrio. He doesn't just catch the pokemon that are the strongest at the time and use them. He catches the pokemon that will be the strongest in the long term and trains them into powerhouses. Or at least that's his intention. That's the reason he will eventually have a Gyarados and that's the reason he gets an Abra. Both Magikarp and Abra are mostly useless but they become very strong pokemon.

He states before the Champion fight that he has been assembling teams that can beat any Pokémon type. A fair assessment is that he has always been doing it. Between this and not being bound by version exclusivity, I can definitely imagine the rival having more than 40. Count some of the evolutions that are just after 20 but do not fit the team he fights the player with on the SS Anne, and, 40+ is an easy clear: Oddish to Gloom Bellsprout to Weepinbel Ekans to Arbok Sandshrew to Sandslash Zubat to Golbat (do we include a walk getting for Golbat to Crobat for FRLG?) Paras to Parasect might be a stretch at 24, but not crazy. What there should have been in the game was some hidden but snarky acknowledgement of your efforts if you walked into the SS Anne fight with your Pokédex over 40.

this would also explain why he's on nugget bridge with an abra

No, if you max friendship on any pokemon that can evolve with that, and you try to make it evolve, it just doesnt, before you get the national dex. I tried it and it only showed the evolution screen getting interrumpted by itself

Yes, Blue is not us. Every seconds in their life are different, know different people and so on. So he will indeed receive items at different point in time, face different people that give or trade with him. Proving someone cant have something because you cant even work your ass off is not work even irl.

⁠​⁠@@Sr.Anonimo-bk1uzSheesh, that is a the worst way to implement Pokédex restrictions. At the same time though, that’s the kind of game mechanic like version exclusivity that can’t reasonably be applied to Blue when investigating his claim of catching 40 Pokémon… But since he said the same thing in the gen 1 games, Pokémon that didn’t exist back then (like Crobat) still don’t count.

BLUE is not in the anime. GARY is. Gary may have been based on Blue, but he is NOT THE SAME PERSON.

To be fair in the anime they were originally planning on having more gyms

You know what would be funny if off-screen gary tried to go to the indigo league and got denied because the badges he had were not officially recognized to be part of their requirements. Meaning he had to go back and challenge more gyms but thar time the right ones. Ash while normally not the smartest made sure to look up the right ones. Or brock and Misty made sure he stayed on track.

@@TheEmeraldWeirdo The only differences between Gary and Blue is their shirt.

@@TheEmeraldWeirdo And Chuck is not Blue.

unless you traded for mr.mime and farfetchd

​@@sheeplol2161 or trained a few past lv20

@@PixelOverload Or traded Kadabra for Alakazam

​@@sheeplol2161But if you don't count the two other Moonstone Evolutions, it's still 39 in a single cartridge. I'm almost certain it's an accident, honestly, but to me that would be maybe even cooler, honestly

It would be 37 because the moon stones

Except he's on the ship looking for cut. There's no chance he has it by that point.

​@@dusklunistheumbreonat the same time, if he got an invite to a luxury cruise then who's to say he didn't have access to a thunder stone or something? It's unlikely that Bill had two tickets when he lives by himself.

​@@dusklunistheumbreonhe is implying ghe guards begging for a drink weren't an issue and he kept walking. Cut wouldn't be needed if that was the case

Not to mention he mentions that he is looking for the supposed "cut master on board" but refers to him simply as a "sick old captain" implying he didn't actually get cut or he may have found a different way to get it (either earlier or later), he probably went there for the same reason he went to bill, to increase his dex sightings and/or possibly learn something. My guess would be that (much like any player, it is implied that he backtracks to Vermilion upon hearing about the cut master, or he goes further out than the player has access to due to the game structure/mechanics catches a bunch of random things and then gets the info some other way. I think a big flaw with his theorising is that he is treating it like Blue is a real person in a real world but applying game mechanics as strictly as possible, while also assuming all NPCs/Mechanics/Items/trades are precisely the same as the player character experience, which given his clear ability to get so ahead of the player from the start, known advantages of his societal position, drive to complete his goal to the detriment that he is later scolded for "forgetting to love and trust in his Pokémon" (something that strengthens the idea that he would be willing to trade away rather flippantly if he though it would be worth it, or complete his goal) and finally the fact that he has money meaning he may have access to far better equipment alot earlier than you. Given that info, it is extremely easy to infer ways in which he would have OVER 40 which is his claim.

@@alanhughes3172 I don't know much about the remakes, but in the original Gen 1 games my understading always was that the rival met the Captain and indeed got HM01 from him... the fact that the Captain was sea-sick is a side note of the rival's bragging. Excact quote: "I heard there was a CUT master on board. But, he was just a seasick, old man! But, CUT itself is really useful! You should go see him!"

he has a lvl 18 starter at stage 1 in the bridge fight. so clearly the rules arent the same for him. in the same way we can find some evolved pokemon at earlier levels than they evolve, or trainers with those pokemon. the concept of level might be one that is not real, but just a mechanic to us the players to visualize the progression of the pokemon.

Or, he deposits them into the PC. After all: the PC is free for everyone to use

@@MegaPokefan97 yeah but hes not the type to leave pokemon in the pc and have open party slots.

@@tefnutofhoney2832 What if he wants an open slot to be able to use the next good one he finds?

@@InfernosReaper this also works

that last part.... is... actually something that's kind of a real thing TBH, and in GS he takes over Giovanni's place in Kanto... so... there IS some level of truth to it.

@@marhawkman303 I mean we kind of do so to through the game corner, so we're not without fault either 😅

That the available in-game trades tend to be rather trash lends credence to this theory. The low-hanging fruit may have already been taken...

Or the lv caped 20 he assumptions is wrong. He probably have higher pokemon in his pc

people also forget he literally has an alakazam. that basically confirms he is doing some trading off screen

I may have done this before.

Speaking of 10 gyms in the anime I've always wondered where the other 2 are.

Probably in some city that doesn't appear in the games at all. Remember we get to see two street gangs going through the process of applying to be that town's new gym, and that there are regulators who you need to impress. Also that far more cities and far more people are portrayed in the anime than those 3 house "towns" with like 10 people in them at best. If I wanted to take a guess though? Try north. To a place like Rota or something. @@justaperson4229

​@@justaperson4229they are fakes because he is a sham

@@justaperson4229 Since there are lot more towns in the anime than in the game, I assume some of those have gyms, maybe even some towns that Ash didn't get to. Plus, I've seen a video that showed that half or so of the 10 badges Gary has weren't even the same ones as what Ash had, meaning there could be 10 or 20 gyms in anime Kanto.

Yeah right after i posted this i wanted to look it up, the theories/lore and whatnot.@@prussianpolydactyl836

I agree... I think the quote was put there to motivate the player to keep completing the Pokedex. 99% of players would have less that 40 and most would feel a need to get their number higher in case the accursed rival will say 60 or 80 the next time you see him🤣 . What I love about the 40 number is that it looks like the devs indeed took some time to count how many species it is possible for the player to own at that point, instead of just a random number.

@@ArCgon That's why Blue worked so well as a rival, and outshines almost every rival to follow. His attitude and implied superiority encouraged the player to want to be better than him. Nowadays rivals are so buddy-buddy, I find it impossible to care whether or not I'm better than them because they give me no incentive to push myself as their rival.

Think it's also understood that the the game logic is supposed to represent something more believable. Like, no one in their right mind believes that if Pokemon were real, battles with them would be turn-based. Reason this is important is that your rival isn't playing your game. He's living his own life. And doing it better than you so he can rub your face in it.

@@skycastrum5803 A friend's mom was confused by that, once. She was playing a completely different RPG, and needed to actually have it explained to her that the characters aren't actually taking turns, and that the turns are strictly tied to the gameplay. Because she genuinely didn't understand why her characters and the monsters were taking turns. Then again, she never was in her right mind.

@@gurvmlk Several comedy RPGs mock their own turn-based combat, and lampshade it with commentary on how polite or nice the enemies are, and they are, to make sure everyone gets to take their turn.

Especially when he flat-out says that the three Eeveelutions he sees from Bill added 'a lot' to his Pokédex. Blue's definition of 'caught' is not the same as ours.

@@Meteorite_Shower professors count "caught" pokemons as synonymous with pokemon registered in the pokedex when it comes to rewards so its more likely a translation issue then anything

good point.@@kavinh10

or he just caught a few of each pokemon

@@Dirtymvm Wrong. It's 40 different pokemon.

In Erika's gym: "...what are you doing?" "Oh don't mind me, I'm just gonna quickly plant a tree in the middle of your gym so that when that loser comes in later they won't be able to reach you without CUT"

In other words, Blue had been to Safari Zone before Red makes it to S.S. Anne 😂

I'm a hater!

​@@droomish1in the anime he actually had the pokemon to back up but on the game u are very right 👍

Yeah, version exclusives don’t really work on Blue (and in essence, the in-game universe) because if they do, how do the NPCs know that Vulpix or Bellsprout exists to put them in the pokedex if you’re playing Fire Red?

​@@RoyJicI mean the pokedex already contains crazy legendary pokemon that no one should know about