The Oscar For Best Animated Movie (and why it's bad) - Eddache 

Which is why I don't think Del Toro Pinocchio is going to win. U indirectly roasted the people who vote for u to win at the Golden Globes. Not a smart move. It would've been smarter to save the comment for the Oscars as a) bigger stage and b) u still win the oscar. U may get black listed after that but hey they cant say u're not an oscar winner.

@@davidfitzpatrick6535 maybe not, but thankfully this is one of those years where any of these nominations could win and I would still be very happy.

For that reason and the fact I love Del Toro as a filmmaker I want him to win

@@michaelnally2841 So do I as imo (hot take coming grab ur milk) DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO IS BETTER THAN THE 1940 DISNEY VERSION!

I hope so!

Don’t show them none Asian anime inspired series where we see parents an children exploded an melt via acid dragon etc

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 reminds me how 4Kids tried really hard to turn One Piece into a kids show xd

@@dustymcwari4468 Rubber Knife

"'Animation is for kids' is one of the saddest things people say" What is sadder is animation that is seen as marketed for kids but whose styling and story arcs can be appreciated by adults = DCAU or "The Timmverse" (After Bruce Timm). There's a REA-SON a vast number of current adults let's say 25-50 consider Kevin Conroy to be the greatest version of Batman and Mark Hamell the greatest version of the Joker. Yet most so-called "real adults" would not acknowledge this having self-segregated themselves to the "live-action" films. I was 17 when the Timmverse began with Batman: The Animated Series and was entering my 30s when it concluded with Justice League Unlimited. Most people would consider that "The Standard" for which the DC Films should be based on but the suits at Warner Brothers can't get out of their own segregated thinking. I can also type out paragraphs of the vast amounts of B.S. Paul Dini delt with at WB that just adds lemon juice to the wound.

Especially from Parents.

It deserved it

That’s hilarious

Shark tales story and message are quite good but the character designs were pretty jarring. Still one of my favorite DWs movies though 😆

Boss Baby got an Oscar nomination. Boo!

I guess the goobers at the academy were feeling based that year.

Yeah, probably because they were too lazy to figure out what to give movies from Don Bluth, anything 80s - 90s Studio Ghibli movies, or even little surprises like The Iron Giant.

And that was purely because Shrek showed the industry that Animated films could be vehicles for regular actors and live action directors instead of solely voice actors. The Oscars only exist for Hollywood to pat themselves on the back and award certain people higher pay rates for future movies

As much as I love the Shrek franchise, I agree.

@@Whiteythereaper i don't think Shrek did that i think Aladdin did

No, the cause was the decade of Disney putting out either classics or admirable mixed bags (Little Mermaid + Beauty and the Beast + Aladdin + The Lion King + Hunchback + Hercules + Mulan), AND ambitious odd movie The Prince of Egypt and the breaking point was...Chicken Run. If they had the category a year earlier, that would have been winner #1. After that, they had to go "FINE! You want Animated Features as a Category!? Here you bleeping go!"

Chicken Run was a great film

Who loved chicken run?

@@Simbala-bq5vy many many people That shit was *b u s s i n*

@@kawaiicake8038real

those brits truly are an enigma, aren't they?

There should be a category for best CGI/motion capture to make up for this gap. I feel like every film now uses at least a little bit but that probably won't come around for many years

Yeah, like the marvel movies could qualify as animation at this point.

this genuinely sounds so fucking dystopian to me my god

And yet its (animation) the only reason most if my favorite movies exist

​@@KrazyKirby15 I mean, you have all these specific categories for "all" films (but really just live action) and have a single one for animation, even though there's such a wide range of techniques and crafts that go into it, like CGI, stop motion, voice acting, character animation, motion capture/rotoscoping, etc; which makes it feel like they truly only created the category to stop animated movies from receiving the "real awards" - at this point the animation industry (including VFX artists, voice actors and such) should really focus on doing their own awards instead of trying to get recognition from someone who clearly never cared about them.

Fr, they are some unsung heroes when it comes to film.

It's because it KILLS THE MAGIC urgh

Ricou Browning better get an “In Memorium”

The academy hates action movies (and horror, and sci-fi as well) so they dont add awards for stunt co-ordianators and stuntmen. The only 2 action movies that won Oscars in the last 10 years that I could think of are EEAAO and Mad Max Fury Road.

@@Aliens1337 Get out won for horror

Moreover, why choose these type of people to nominate? It's like rich people buying an empty canvas for million of dollars and call it "modern art"

​@BiBiren I bet they plan to sell that canvas for 2 million, and will get mad if it doesn't.

Barbie would like to have words with you.

hmmm suspicious

Hmmm i wonder why

Avatar still going hard

Everyone in Hollywood knew for years, but because they had so much influence nobody did jack, just glibly quipped about it.

@@lunaitc There's even a prominent plot point in 2000's Scream 3 where the studio head, played by Lance Henriksen, is basically a Weinstein stand in with "networking parties" mentioned as well as a bedroom with one way glass facing the bed. And that film was released by the Aholes. Meaning they probably saw the film and didn't even care about such a references. So dang sad

@@lunaitc Yeah I always assumed the shock of the Me Too movement was that he was actually held accountable (I know that's what shocked me)

They need to bring back the practice of screening an animated short before a feature in theaters. As far as I know, this is currently done just by Disney and Illumination, and it’s always with other Disney and Illumination films.

@@Sailormac2Warner Bros occasionally these days

Or just... do what they do with every other category and force them to watch all of them if they want to vote.

@@samlewis6487 ... That's _how_ they would be forcing them to watch it.

I don’t think that would work because the answers to the quiz would definitely get leaked. Granted it’s another step people have to go through and some of them won’t care enough, but it’s not a perfect solution. Edit: spelling

@@loneaesthete7688 Then give them individual quizzes with a code. So one member could get the question off that they ordered in that scene at the restaurant while another member could get the question off whatever it was night or day when they went to that restaurant. That would make it so that it would be easier to actually watch the movie then just the remembers getting together to cheat on that quiz

@SamJNE Except it's so convoluted for no reason. Just make a rule. It doesn't need strong enforcement, nobody who would lie cares enough about animation to lie

Not exactly. Perfect Blue and Legend of the Overfiend is geared for adult, so is Fritz the Cat and the Danish animation Princess.

@@archangelnew And those influences still carry forward to this day. Bakshi might had been kind of nuts.... but it showed a whole generation of animators you could do something completely different. Something that can stand out more compared to doing it in live action. And him having to cut corners on production resulted in some of the most bizarre, surreal/too real, moments in cinema history. Really apt for the 70s.

@@archangelnew They meant that animation is not limited to one demographic or genre. Everyone, no matter what type of taste in movies you have, can enjoy or create animation that suits your needs.

The Oscars treat animation as a genre when it's a medium

So far, when it comes to not just nominees, but also BEST ANIMATED PIXTURE winners, I only saw that happening with Brave because people would rather see a movie where a teenage girl with Firstborn Syndrome would throw temper tantrums before she takes too long to learn her lesson instead of a love letter to retro gaming with several twists and some of the best animation that could possibly be found that make it deep. And with (November) 2006 when Flushed Away wasn’t nominated because people wanted to sleep on an Aardman gem by acting like Buc Reviewers was right to heckle at it, Happy Feet was the winner because it was much better-received by people who wanted to see American Idol with penguins that tried too hard to have realistic designs with motion capture that feels like it was done by the late Robert Zemeckis (on that topic, it’s a good thing that when it comes to ImageMovers’s best film, “Monster House” was at least nominated). If you only count nominees instead of Best Animated Picture winners, though, even though 2004 had The Incredibles as the winner (which is very well-deserved on its own right but at the same time, one of these pieces of proof that even after they gave other studios a chance, they still latched themselves to Disney way too much. Well, as great as Shrek and Monsters Inc were, maybe they should have given Atlantis: The Lost Empire a fair chance Recess: School’s Out a fair chance in 2002), Shark Tale was nominated for an Oscar (no pun intended) even though it was too filled with negative gender stereotypes to like as a whole despite what few good things the movie may offer (like a banger of a soundtrack) instead of The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie (I know it was made by Nickelodeon which is to be expected from one of its properties, but the 2000s, for all its flaws, has got to be its best (or at least one of its less bad because they had Danny Phantom seasons 1-2, Big Time Rush (well, it started off as a show at the last couple months of the decade but carried on throughout the course of the early 2010s and with James Maslow (or in this case, Diamond)’s hair like Troy Bolton, it shows), Ned’s Declassified School Survival Guide, Avatar: The Last Airbender El Tigre: The Adventures of Manny Rivera and Invader Zim until Nick would pretend they never existed with all its malice) decade alongside the 1980s (even then, unlike PBS, I wouldn’t say it was the best channel on television, but I guess you can say that it was before Nickelodeon’s downfall really began in 1991 with Dan Schneider, John Kricfaluci and when they spoiled themselves with their own success by starting off Nicktoons with Ren & Stimpy, Doug and Rugrats). And as great as Wallace & Gromit is, if only the Oscars would give Madagascar, Corpse Bride, Hoodwinked! and Robots a chance.

Their often not even bad just strange choices like Boss Baby was perfectly fine when it first started but now has this BS stigma because the awards

Toy Story 4 Is A Perfect Example Of That. I Hate It So Much.

@@johnpabon7535 movies not that bad though :/

@LTNetjak wait it won over that technical showcase that was Klaus animation style XD oh awards your confusing

holy crap christene’s

Bad news, a lot of the nominees outside of Disney, Warner Bros and Pixar get atrocious film distribution and lack of film restorations.

​@@thecinematicmind frrr tho thank God for the internet tho

I think that’s just proof of how America-centric the Oscars are at *best* and how they’re pretty much meaningless at worst.

I want to cry. ANY Ghibli film that isn't Earwig And The Witch should have won.

@@FedoraKirb many of the Ghibli movies are pre-2000 which Oscar for animated movies haven’t exist. It won’t change that much honestly since the only other movies that should have won was House moving castle in 2004. Ponyo is not better than Wall-e or kungfu panda in 2008. Secret world of arietty is not better than toy story 3 or how to train your dragon in 2010. From up on poppy hill isn’t better than kungfu panda 2 in 2011. The wind rises is good but frozen is so big at the time, so basically no chance for other movies in 2013. So it won’t change much honestly.

they might lose again next year. Hayao Miyazaki is back with _How Do You Live?_ but it is competing against Disney's _Wish_ (led by Frozen team), Pixar's _Elemental_ , _Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse_ , and Laika's _Wildwood_ .

​@@-Est3lle- are you implying tales of earthsea is worth anything at all?

examples to strengthen your point?

i haven't watcehd any award shows in at least 10 years, its just so fake or "glamourous" as some would put it, which is another way of saying fake

I will say I think the generations above Boomer have more appreciation for animation. They still respect the classics at the very least even if they are yelling out the new stuff... except Bluey? Old people seem to love Bluey.

Preach! There are animated features (if not shows) that get panned for simply being "animated". And the stereotypes played out on a network broadcast like the Oscars makes them look like idiots in front of said generations that know better. The true disappointment is the fact we have "The Annies" which has NEVER been broadcasted.

Adults have been watching a lot of cartoons since the 90s. I think it’s that these people are in a bubble.

If Pinocchio wins, it'll be the biggest middle finger to Disney's live action remake

@@LazyOldFusspot_3428 Ye, but tbh the Oscar’s not nominating strange world or light year despite Disney really trying to get them in. Is kind of a middle finger towards them.

tbh The Sea Beast was kinda bad but I do have to agree that all of the other nominees are awesome.

This year's nominees also include Turning Red

@@Howitgoes799 they probably couldn’t because pretty much a high percent of people didn’t like those movies

Don’t show them the anime Bastard it’s sexual, violent and has aggravated music

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 but it's animated, so it must be for kids

@@bingoviini *rolls clip of Black Butler Anime only storyline where a child is manipulated by his servant an has a past of abandonment an exploitation*

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 exactly, why saying "animation is for kids" is dumb

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 the aggravated music part was funny

Look up thesis films their so so good

Me, I'll second it..... probably won't though. Pixar and DreamWorks will probably win. Wouldn't even have a problem with it this time. Their nominations this year are really solid. Still want Pinocchio to win, but i don't have super high hopes.

Even if I liked puss in boots more than pinocchio I absolutely want him to win just to see how he roasts the Academy

🤚 I am!! :D It deserves to win ong!

@@idontwanttochooseausername Personally, I've only seen giurmo del toro's pinnochio, but it was a pretty good film. in terms animation and story.

@@idontwanttochooseausername Your right about that. But is that necessarily a bad thing? I would say No, not entirely. While creativity is encouraged, i think it's just as good to be able give us something we've seen before, but in a way we haven't seen it yet. Dreamworks is pretty good at doing that, and Disney can occasionally mix things up.

Pinocchio wins Best Feature, Puss in Boots wins Best Animated Feature. Boom.

@@muddashucka9743 That doesn't make any sense though. Best picture is All Inclusive, meaning if you win best picture, you've also one Best Animated Feature by default

I don't get the hype over puss in boots. It was an ok kids movie at best. It had a few moments but it was way over rated. Also just my opinion and im just some prick on youtube

​​@@jerbear7952I have with an 8 year old son. My mom called me to tell me I really need to see this movie, because she went and watched it and it was fantatsic. I did, and I loved it, and so did my kid. It also opened the door for deep conversations with my son about bravery and what it means to "be a man". Also, we talked about death and how although it's inevitable, we should fill our lives with things we enjoy and with people we love, and then we'll have no regrets in the end. Is that not pretty deep subject matter for "a kid's movie"? Sounds to me like it's just a movie that kids can also enjoy.

Medium

​@@jerbear7952I prefer medium rare

I see you everywhere in the comments, dude! Lol xD

It’s an amazing video, and is 1000000000000000000000% better than the actual Oscars. (In my opinion I give the Oscars -10000000000000000/5)

Rango is nice

That’s because Cars 2 came out that year💀

The Annie Awards have existed since the 90s

The Last Wish clears

@@Obamacide Dunno, the Academy always seems to lean towards anything Disney or pixar, so it could go either way

While Pinocchio winning would be the best outcome, Last Wish is definitely the superior film. The characters are more likeable, the writing isn't as slow paced, it doesn't feel as "awkward" and the songs are much, MUCH better.

@@tau-5794 theres only one song.I prefer pinnochio

@@geoffreygeorge999 There's one lyrical song, and then there's all the other character themes and leitmotifs. Still better than Pinno's songs.

True . The only bad thing about that is that most if not all of the winners weren't the Tom and Jerry episodes where Tom won 😒.

@@markofthewolvessucks8930Okay what is this narrative with tom? One he started a lot of the conflicts, two jerry is a mouse obviously hes going to fight back and 3 i dont see a problem with jerry starting conflics as they are meant to be enemies and hate each other.

I'm 43 and I like going to the movies to see animated movies. Haven't been going the last couple years but I have watched some animated movies on Disney+ and cartoons on Hulu. It's too bad there's so many people who think cartoons are for kids only. I think they're foolish honestly. They don't know it's a medium not a genre.

Adult cartoons?....What of Perfect Blue from Japan or Princess from Denmark? Rubbish?

@@archangelnew I haven't seen those. I just meant American adult cartoons such as Family guy Futurama RObot Chicken

@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Then u need to catch Perfect Blue. Apprantly Black Swan is inspired by this anime.

@@archangelnew Wait the ballerina movie with Natalie Portman? if so then I probably wouldnt like Perfect Blue as i didnt like that.

I enjoyed Big Hero 6 but Princess Kaguya was definitely better

Yup big hero six are just standard disney movie

WW2 Disney

Eh, I could still see some people thinking that is though even if that movie is pretty adult at times. Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Princess Mononoke, South: Park: the movie and stuff like that are more undeniable examples.

@@mattwolf7698 good point. I just like Roger Rabbit so much, especially the Toon Patrol!

Roger Rabbit is a movie that is targeted towards kids.

@@thomasffrench3639 but many assume it must mean little kids but stuff like the end scene of that movie an Anime like Digimon get fuked up :) hey kids a scary man and here death of cuddly creatures friends

Technically, that film has plenty of cliches, and the first 1/3 of that film is just cringe with pop song montages and a lead who starts off as an extremely unlikeable brat. Toy Story 4, on the other hand, has great atmosphere, a strong emotional core, and surprisingly thought provoking themes on existence and existentialism.

I thought the film’s point was partially showing the extremely unlikeable brat’s development.

@@danielwebber7517 it was good on it’s own, but it was ass as a sequel. Toy story 3 was the perfect ending for the franchise. So bonnie just lost woodie like that? What if Andy ask where is he and she was like “huh, who?” And woody just left his friends for a chick, totally goes against the original trilogy. It was an ass ending.

@@danielwebber7517 idk how those make it less of a deserving movie for the award, especially when one of those is just The Emperor's New Groove, one that's beloved by many. Not to mention that Toy Story 4 sucks as a sequel as much as I like it. (I also feel like you're giving it too much credit, especially when it was nominated alongside HTTYD 3 and I Lost My Body)

I thought it was only the first Boss Baby that got nominated.

The fact Ghibli never won anything is a crime against humanity.

Spirited Away won at least

Spirited Away won the second Best Animated Feature award.

Fr, Wolfwalkers would have for sure won 2020 over Soul if it wasn't a damn Apple TV exclusive, and people actually watched it.

@@tau-5794 Wolfwalkers is one of if not my favorite films of all time, so I feel you. It's the most upsetting loss for me in the whole history of the event. (Howl's Moving Castle should have won too but Wallace and Gromit is still a W.)

Unless they changed how the animation awards work though, a lot of the nominations would be the same. I don't think that many live action kids movies come out anymore, especially as far as ones hitting theaters.

What counts as a "children's movie" might be a bit tricky. I remember reading a review of "Minions" that contrasted it with "Inside Out," which was in theaters at the same time. "Inside Out," the reviewer argued, was a sweet, smart film that could appeal to a wide range of viewers, both young and old, whereas "Minions" was "a kids' film that adults would tolerate" (in other words, the kind of thing the live-action princesses claimed ALL animated films were). To me, that sounds like a pretty accurate assessment, and I'd be leery of any categorization of films like "WALL-E," "The Incredibles," "The Iron Giant," "Zootopia," "Kubo and the Two Strings," "Moana," and "Wolfwalkers" as valuable only to children. Good stories are worth watching, even those aimed at "all audiences."

That is quintessentially the Razzies.

When the “big industry company” trend suddenly decides to just not, apparently. Oscars are so dumb, thank gosh animation has it owns awards, because the Academy, the Emmys, they spit on animation like it hasn’t been making leaps and bounds live action movies haven’t.

Yes it was.

​@@benraven9087 Not for best picture, which he probably meant.

@@Pssybartcorrect I didn’t word it the best but I was complaining how one of my new favourite films wasn’t nominated for Best Picture despite probably being better than (at the absolute minimum) half of the nominees

@@JAProductions494 I totally agree. Puss in Boots 2 was one of the most creative and emotionally satisfying movies of last year. And I still feel kinda surprised for writing that sentence. Meanwhile Del Toro's Pinocchio was probably my second favourite movie of last year. Animated movies have for a long time been among the highest grossing and most culturally relevant movies. Think Fantasia, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, The Nightmare Before Christmas and pretty much all of Studio Ghibli. And yet Hollywood just doesn't want to give them the same recognition as "real movies", even though they often take a lot more craft to make.

Bro what is this argument « it’s still holds well 2 years later » bro say that to the incredibles Beaty and The Beast Or Spirited away but not to a movie that came out 2 years ago

That wouldn't solve the issue of considering kid's products as inferior products. Seriously, that part annoys me nearly as much. Things we saw as kids often ended up having an important influence on us. And making something for kids may be even harder than for adults, especially if you want to treat important or relevant (to them) subjects. Unless you actually hate children (understandable, have a nice day), you should treat products for children with extra care.

I don't think there's enough movies to support that, it would be pretty much identical to the animated list as there's not that many live action kids movies that come out now. Also if an animated movie did win that, it would reinforce that they are only for kids. And if animated movies were banned from that, the animated category would still be the same mess and there wouldn't be enough live action kids movies.

Terrible idea.

@@thecinematicmind why?

@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Traditionally if the nominations are not chosen prior and it’s a free for all, it ends up messy in execution.

@@davidfitzpatrick6535 They tried it somewhat 2 years ago and it was hijacked by crazed Snyder fans voting for Army of The Dead

@@thecinematicmind fair enough but if we put in the limit (for example out of these five-ten movies what did the people think) I think it could work. IMO I'm more likely to see a movie if someone recommends it to me rather than good reviews scores from the critics because I personally believe they get paid off by the studios.

AND hopefully by then, we’ll see PROFESSIONAL voice actors be recognized for their work and not remained overshadowed by A-Listers who are cast mostly because of their name and that they get the butts in the seats. (Though I do like Robin Williams, Mike Myers, and JK Simmons.)

@@dorothyallspice1862 yeah, on screen actors can make great voice actors as well. Mark Hamill and Robin Williams are great examples of people who can do both. On the other hand, there are also actors who just think it’s “just talk in the mic right?”. It’s one of the reasons I wish it got a category so it could at least start to get more respect.

@@mirramirraonthewall Exactly! That’s what I was saying in the parentheses.

the last wish did more to furtherr animation, we all know the GDT can do gods work, but dreamkworks made something special here

I hope it’s a tie. It can happen.

Agree. The segregation part has been a long-standing burr with me (This is for kids only-This is for adults only). I would say 70-80% of good, legit animation actually falls in the middle (the "PG" and "PG13" wavelength). When creators think in a cinematic mindset, you get great stuff like Batman: Mask of the Phantasm or Wolfwalkers. Same for great TV serials like Avatar: The Last Airbender and the Owl House. When people think in a classification mindset, you get dumb, unwatchable crap like Brickleberry, Paradise PD, The Lovebugs, and that one show about puberty. Of course, those tend to be produced by stand-up comics who can't get past dick jokes but on the flip-side of the coin, the stuff that is produced directly for kids can be just as bad if not worse (looking at you updated Muppet Babies).

my dog is called oscar should i ask if he's scared of animation

@@_lavender_pebbles_ It ever hurts to make sure.

Damm it take time but very well deserving. I hope its win make the academy be more open to international and adult animated films since disney/pixar these are producing more sequels than original and knowing the academy maybe they will not award inside out 2.

Cars was snubbed. Same with Cars 3....

Yep, definitely a troll here

@@rsj2877 you think happy feet deserved the Oscar ?

Boss Baby also WON that fucking Oscar

Did you think I was suggesting it should be disqualified?

@@eddache I might've worded it poorly. Early on, when discussing which movies should qualify for the Oscars, you mentioned mocap and rotoscoping, giving arguments pro and con. But then you said something like: "What about animated movies that use live-action footage as reference, like Rango? Should they be disqualified?" So yeah, it's less that you were arguing it and more that you said there was an argument to be made there. And I was just pointing out that using live-action footage as reference can't possibly call into question whether the film counts as animated, because all animation uses it. Sorry, my original comment was unintentionally misleading, I'll edit it.

At least Encanto was Disney's best film in years

Probably when Saturday morning cartoons were a thing, and cartoon characters began selling cereal on tv. That might have drilled it into people's heads that cartoons were just for kids.