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The Paladin Problem 

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One of Dungeon World's biggest problems is that the Paladin playbook is INSANELY OP. Or at least, I think it is? It seems like nobody's really talking about the Paladin Problem.
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0:00 the problem
0:28 exhibit a
0:59 evidence
2:56 totally broken
4:34 the other possibly completely broken element
5:34 the case for not broken

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Комментарии : 33   
@N0m0r386
@N0m0r386 Год назад
Oh FINALLY someone who talks about DW which is a great game. Have you tried the Perilous Wilds? It will be super cool if you will do a video about that module.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
You’d love some of my other videos then ;) I have not but I’ll look into it!
@N0m0r386
@N0m0r386 Год назад
@@tabletopbroyou must do it asap because I think you gonna love it!
@Vatis93
@Vatis93 Год назад
The quest mechanics sounds really cool.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
It’s integral to what makes a Paladin a Paladin! It can also be totally broken if your DM is a pushover lmao
@Sasquatchseattle
@Sasquatchseattle Год назад
A paladin I dm'd for had his first use of quest be to immune to drowning (a hag grabbed him with hair and was holding him underwater while her summoned servants were keeping the rest of the party busy). For the dedication prayer/ritual cleansing I had him defy danger constituion to take a first breath of water. One miss later and while he could breathe underwater he was also unconscious, and alone with the hag; putting a lot more pressure on everyone else.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
Hope everyone in the US has a great Turkey Day!
@AndrewGarrett_LordTubtub
@AndrewGarrett_LordTubtub Год назад
Nice work! Happy Turkey day my dude!
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
Thankya sir! Happy Turkey day to you too!
@mitchellsink2584
@mitchellsink2584 Год назад
So, about your "the pally nuked my dragon problem because he does a d10 damage and the dragon has only 16 hp. In any pbta games the narrative is the most important thing and if the players are trying to do something that makes no sense in the narrative. Then it's a no go. Your dragon has the huge tag. Which means it's as big as a house or bigger. Your paladin hitting it with his maul or greatsword is doing nothing. He doesn't get to roll hack and slash against it because that would make no sense. They are going to need to think outside the box to be able to attack this thing in a way that makes sense. Like have the paladin distract them while the group sneaks up the cliff to drop a massive chunk of rock on them. Anyway. Awesome video. I love you dungeon world content.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
Oh 100% I wasn't too familiar with the system at the time when I did that, and I even made a video talking about exactly what you're talking about! The 16 HP Dragon. Glad you're liking the content!
@ronwisegamgee
@ronwisegamgee Год назад
I remember when one of my players played as the paladin, there was this issue we had with invulnerability and armor. IIRC, invulnerability reduced damage you received from the source chosen by the paladin by half, and armor reduced damage by a set amount. The issue was which to apply first: cutting damage in half or armor. The more OP of the two was to cut damage in half first, then apply armor (which is what the player wanted), but I opted to apply armor first, then reduce any remaining damage by half. We never did find out the official ruling on that.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
I don’t think there is an official ruling tbh
@neverforged
@neverforged Год назад
I was running Waterdeep Dragon Heist, and I gave them Hospitality and Valor. The Paladin Player got distracted by a side tunnel, went off to explore it on his own, and ended up in a fight wither a wererat... that couldn't hit him because, armor, but he couldn't hit it because, silver. They left, since the wererat only wanted to keep them out of his Gang's hideout (they got some info they already suspected from it). But, he knew it was a wererat and left... quest over. Of course, his main advantage was immunity to Piercing damage, and there was only one more opponent with a crossbow, but yeah... Quest ended, and it was his own fault (since he insisted on going for the red hering). I personally hate the "An unwavering sense of direction to _______", as it's one of the many things I'm noticing in DW that kill the Exploration Pillar. Seriously, it's like no one thinks of the exploration Pillar at all. I mostly used it as a narative sense of direction, like when given a choice, it points to the better option (in that example, had he asked, the side tunnel would have not been the right direction, but the stairs they just found would be).
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
I love a good prewritten campaign conversion. And that’s a hilarious way to end a quest. If the exploration pillar is important to you, you might wanna check out perilous wilds! It’s a third party supplement that adds a bunch of great exploration rules and such (I also did a video on it :p)
@lukestclair251
@lukestclair251 Год назад
You basically become a terminator
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
Accurate
@lukestclair251
@lukestclair251 Год назад
And with a Bloody Aegis… gigachad for the lord up in here
@rds4629
@rds4629 Год назад
I'm no dungeon world expert, but it has to make sense from the fiction... so Dani Targarean is fire immune is ok in Westeros, but depending on the world you and your players make, it may be a 1 or 2 point Damage reduction. Knowing where the goblet of fire is also 2 edged; if he can fly sure he can go straight in a line, but if he has to go around mountains/terrains, if the goblet is moved, he has to make decisions? BTW, all of this is fine so long as the other players are having fun. If you had planned a mystery where they have to find the location of the goblet through social encounters and research, well it sucks. Or if the party hates the idea of wilderness checks and direction, then you add "2 weeks later your paladin leads you through the mines to the castle that holds the goblet" All in all, it has to fit the fiction. One of the best ideas from DW is that there's only one of each PC classes; so the Fighter is The Fighter. As long as you don't short shrift the Fighter's time in the sun, it's all good however much power you decide to give.
@williamdavis7274
@williamdavis7274 Год назад
I always wanted to see dungeon world and other pbta style builds. I know, in story games your not supposed to optimize... but i really dont think it has to be that way. It just mean those builds will have to be grounded in character as well ad action economy. That sounds awesome to me.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
My buddy Sean is the king of minmaxing - including in Dungeon World. Maybe I’ll see if he’d wanna help with a min max video
@williamdavis7274
@williamdavis7274 Год назад
@@tabletopbro id be all about watching that. Maybe stretching the concept too far but I like the idea of optimizing in ways that intertwine with character... kind of a meeting point between story games and more crunchy games. I think its a false dichotomy....
@ujvariadam4952
@ujvariadam4952 Год назад
First xD Thank you for the DW content! 🥰
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
Thank you for watching the DW content!
@OrdemDoGraveto
@OrdemDoGraveto 7 месяцев назад
Dungeon World purists keep insisting it's not broken. I think it's so broken that changing the paladin was the first step into creating the first RPG I published comercially hehe
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro 7 месяцев назад
Good for you!
@OrdemDoGraveto
@OrdemDoGraveto 7 месяцев назад
@@tabletopbro I'm currently releasing an expansion book. But in the between I released another PbtA RPG inspired in World of Darkness hehe
@joshuamanon79
@joshuamanon79 Год назад
I know paladins arn’t actually catholic or whatever other real world religion. But I was thinking how even the Bible weirdly depicts god as being unknowable and kinda pact like. Think like the monolith from 2001 a space odyssey with how it seems to have an ultimate agenda that could be selfless but it’s far to secretive to trust
@williamdavis7274
@williamdavis7274 Год назад
Paladins are just worlocks with pact with god! Haha I LOVE this idea
@hectorvivis3651
@hectorvivis3651 Год назад
@2:12 Well, as if one would skip such a high quality "rambling" because he doesn't know the subject!
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860
So, the whole world is just dungeons? 😂
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Год назад
Yeah it’s CRAZY
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860
@@tabletopbro cool.
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