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The Parkland School Shooting - Nikolas Cruz | ICMAP | S6 EP5 

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This week, the ICMAP boys explore the disturbing case of Nikolas Cruz - The Parkland School Shooting.
Tune in and all will be revealed!
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Written & Presented by Tom Norris & Ben Carter | @nozzer89 @thisiscarts
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Edited by Ben Bonsey
Additional research and timelines written by Lauren McKenna-Parker
Artwork & animation by Phil Whitton | @philwhitz
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@Mavisdundundunnnmanston
@Mavisdundundunnnmanston Год назад
I don't think I can convey the feeling of hiding alone in the copy room as a school goes in to lockdown. I was more worried about the students than myself. It ended up being a false alarm, but these things shouldn't happen.
@anitarichardson2836
@anitarichardson2836 Год назад
So worried about them that you stayed locked away safely in a copy room? Sounds like you were definitely worried about yourself and there's no shame in that but pretending that you were more concerned about them than you when that's obviously not true is lame. Admit it, in a real situation like that you'd use the students as human shields. 😄
@pombear9
@pombear9 Год назад
@@anitarichardson2836 What did you gain from that comment?
@rossmallo
@rossmallo Год назад
18:41 - There's absolutely no way for me to say this without getting political, but the big reason why there were big changes after 9/11 and Oklahoma City, yet all the shootings are basically being answered with shrugs, thoughts and prayers, is that taking action against the former doesn't jeopardise the political donations of the NRA. To give a point of comparison, go and look up the case of Jake Davison, a mass shooting in the UK back in August 2021. There were "Only" 7 victims (5 deaths, two injuries), but after this incident, laws in the UK got changed so that officers now need to investigate the Social Media history of anyone applying for a license, and police were told that they needed to also check if any licenses needed to be re-looked at and possibly revoked under this new ruling. So yeah, this very much illustrates the big reason that nothing's changing in America - the people at the top of the food chain are being given extreme financial incentive to look the other way.
@jferran7276
@jferran7276 Год назад
His ears make him look like Dewey from Malcolm in the middle.
@ME-dn8sm
@ME-dn8sm Год назад
Love the banter between you bit it was very classy how it was toned down for this one but not completely removed. laughter is the best cure for some of the darkest things.
@An0nym0us_1
@An0nym0us_1 Год назад
I love the channel. I like the humor; but I appreciate the sensitivity and respect you gave to this subject. Cheers and stay safe everyone!
@kayleighegerton7030
@kayleighegerton7030 Год назад
This case made me cry, the thought of that girl shielding her friend 😢 😭
@FracturesInTheSky
@FracturesInTheSky Год назад
Such a touching opening animation from Phil ❤️
@philwhitz
@philwhitz Год назад
Thank you. I really felt like this one needed to be about the victims of this tragedy. There's just something about these kinds of cases.
@FracturesInTheSky
@FracturesInTheSky Год назад
@@philwhitz 100%!
@Holibobs92
@Holibobs92 Год назад
It made me so angry listening to his “apology” in court. How he can’t watch tv anymore - poor him! The people he killed don’t have that choice! 😭 I can’t believe that he wasn’t stopped, there are so many gaps that people like this slip through and it’s heartbreaking to think that this and the many other lads shootings could have been prevented.
@matthewfofi6466
@matthewfofi6466 Год назад
Exactly what o was thinking. Couldn't accept any responsibility blaming weed.
@piezocat
@piezocat Год назад
For those watching the sentencing phase and saying Nik's calm demeanor now is because he's now properly medicated, go back and watch his confession last October. He hasn't taken any psyche meds for a year and a half, but what Nik has experienced is the highly disciplined environment of being in jail. Too bad the "system" (e.g. mother, et al) couldn't have figured out what it'd take with Nik before he killed 17 people. And of the 39 times the police were called to the Cruz house, Zach was responsible for 27 of those calls, along with Linda buying weapons for Nik. A lot of this tragedy had to do with 2 key stupid af people besides Nik.
@Bekka_boo13
@Bekka_boo13 Год назад
I’ll say it again…another great episode, prob the best series so far…also loving the fashion that’s going on lads…Ben looking like a dream boat as always 🥰
@ieatmothersfordinner
@ieatmothersfordinner Год назад
Thanks for this! Listened to it this morning but wanted to come on here and thank you guys again. Great work, great outfits and thanks thanks thanks.
@Coops65
@Coops65 Год назад
Unbelievable that this wasnt prevented, the warning signs were there.
@mikesutton381
@mikesutton381 Год назад
Excellent work as always chaps.
@Sebastian-md8xu
@Sebastian-md8xu Год назад
Once again another great and entertaining podcast keep it up lads hope u and everyone had a great day
@anonymouslyanonymous4673
@anonymouslyanonymous4673 Год назад
Honestly the highlight of my day 😅 I always listen whilst I'm drawing 😅
@stuartwhitta9333
@stuartwhitta9333 Год назад
Just a little tid bit of info....those oversized glasses are standard issue prison glasses at some US prisons, and are made by prisoners through the unicore scheme, where prisoners earn 0.13 cents a day.
@vmc7773
@vmc7773 Год назад
Another great video!! Well done 😊
@carljones4845
@carljones4845 Год назад
This was excellently done boys.
@Charlie-ch4fn
@Charlie-ch4fn Год назад
Normally listen to this on Spotify but the video really Improves the show
@theweberjosh
@theweberjosh Год назад
Oof, gonna be a tough one. Love you guys ❤️🙌 Horrific stuff.
@jamesbradford4253
@jamesbradford4253 Год назад
I will sit back and enjoy
@lewisr7099
@lewisr7099 Год назад
Listened to this one on the plane home from holiday, cried my eyes out when you guys told about the heroic actions of the people who died trying to help. Tragic case.
@AllezlesParisiens
@AllezlesParisiens Год назад
Good episode lads. Cheers.
@jessicapatton5635
@jessicapatton5635 Год назад
Just starting…. This is going to be interesting for sure!!!
@alyshia2768
@alyshia2768 Год назад
Another harrowing episode with excellent storytelling from you boys! Hopefully Ben has now recovered from his distressing arm injury too🤕
@alyshia2768
@alyshia2768 Год назад
Also I thought Nikolas looked a bit like Gyspy-Rose Blanchard with a shaved head..but also grasping at straws for this lookalikey
@RandomHeroSpotting
@RandomHeroSpotting Год назад
Just want to start with a massive well done to you guys for doing a great episode, added the light moments in the right points! This had to be one of the most difficult episodes 💜 Columbine was tough, but this one was really hit home the most. That High Iron Diet was genius! I don't want to get political or rant.. but how can a country still protect its gun rights over its citizens! The stats you shared on how many shootings happened this year alone. What needs to be done to show them.. Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech... bloody Columbine should have been the last straws. Just to imagine how scary it must be to be in education in the US. No kid should have to practice how to stay safe and alive in a school. It genuinely brings me to tears thinking about it. I think this guy and the armed security guards are up there with the most hated people you have ever covered. Yes, I dont like any of the people covered.. but.. The shooter had two people that wanted to bring him up, they tried. The security guard.. I don't think any words or excuses can cover his part in this. Tom put it the best and he is right.. he shouldn't have signed up, you sign knowing you have a duty to protect. It does seem that they are making him look more dorky, look more of an innocent looking person in the trials. I think that's so so odd. This is a massive case of failure on the Mental Health services, when you added that quote "low risk of harming himself and others", each time just hit more and more into their failures. The failures from the police, the signs all were there, like his Aunt, calling on the day of his mother's passing. Plus the gun laws! Well done again guys! I listened to this at 5am before my amazing day of shopping, eating and having the best company for my birthday in Plymouth 💜 this one was deep, dark and really really upsetting, but it was still amazing! You guys have that midas touch, honestly can make the darkest things, turn them into content that can make me enjoy. Brings me joy! Thank you for your lovely words and I adore the tee and goodies 💜 Congratulations on the 10k on Insta! 1 million is deserved 💜
@maximusmcqueen
@maximusmcqueen Год назад
Ultimately comes down to him having access to guns there will be loads of similar weirdos in the UK but thankfully we don't as often have to deal with incidents like this
@jeanninehochet
@jeanninehochet Год назад
Cannot understand parents letting them play violent video games, watching violent movies and being given weapons. What the hell!
@zPoP_
@zPoP_ 11 месяцев назад
@@jeanninehochethuh
@Maggieschurman437
@Maggieschurman437 Год назад
Rant Time: I’m an American student and we did have shooter drills. I haven’t had one since 8th grade (I’m a junior in high school now and the 3 years since then have centered around covid and the drills are against covid protocols) but I used to think that shooting drills were normal and that’s what students have been doing for years and that’s what the generation before my generation did, apparently they didn’t and I didn’t even think until listening to this podcast how terrifying it is for parents knowing there kids are having drills for something so preventable and scary for any parent, the murder of there kids AT SCHOOL could potentially happen. It is also so sad to think that an entire nation cares more about its gun laws than the safety of there citizens all because of the “right to bear arms” in the constitution but you don’t protect your house or go hunting with an AR or an AK. Home of the free indeed. (P.S. I love your podcast, I love how much research and detail you put into each case and involve a touch of humor)
@mhrgall
@mhrgall 3 месяца назад
I often walk around the supermarket muttering: ''CHINA!'' repeatedly, in Donald Trump's voice, a la Beavis' 'Cornholio' rants
@baz9887
@baz9887 Год назад
All of the school shootings are so so scary. Such twisted mines of the people that do it. Thoughts go out to all of the family’s
@runningmikeym114
@runningmikeym114 Год назад
The cop picking at his nails as hes lying on the floor. I could feel his anger.
@christinepreston8642
@christinepreston8642 Год назад
#neveragain and then the stats say otherwise. Well handled on a truly tragic case.
@Happinosis
@Happinosis Год назад
Speechless. Thank you guys. xxx
@felinefina8004
@felinefina8004 Год назад
The Department of Justice also classify gang shootings as mass shootings in those statistics so it’s not really a good measurement IMO. Basically, any shooting involving more than one victim is considered a mass shooting in those stats. But we do have a problem here not trying to downplay it at all. It’s a mental health crisis.
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
I believe the requirement is 3 or more but yeah, I completely agree. Mental health issue all the way! I'm so sick of people blaming the object, government uses made up terms like "assault rifle" to scare a select portion of the public that know nothing about firearms into voting for their cause. Assault is an action. I'd honestly have a bit more respect if they just came out and said, "I know nothing about firearms, use stats that include gang violence, self harm, etc. I hate guns and I want to remove them from every law abiding citizen in the country." I'd still heavily disagree but at least then they're honest...
@felinefina8004
@felinefina8004 Год назад
@@Blunt_Man I work in the hospitals and I see the mentally ill and drug addicted homeless that eat up so much resources. When we offer them referrals to shelters, behavioral health or addiction specialists they never take it. Its not illegal to be insane, homeless or on drugs. And they can’t be forced to get the help which many of them need to be forced to get because they will live in squalor before they make that choice themselves. It’s just a revolving door of insanity 🚪 🤦🏻‍♀️
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
@@felinefina8004 I'm actually strongly librarian when it comes to drugs and believe everything should be legal. That being said, I don't believe that if you commit a crime to fund a habit or experience psychosis that nothing should happen. Like with most things, the second it becomes a big enough issue to require legal intervention or hospitalization it should also require some form of treatment ie methadone/suboxone, detox, 51-50 hold for psychosis, etc. As someone who known a lot of addicts, unfortunately it seems like unless you're in a large city, treatment is extremely hard to find. I've got a close friend who's been trying to find a doctor who prescribes suboxone for 3 months and the closest one available is 2 hours away. Seeing things like that only makes my opinion on legalization stronger, clearly the method used at the moment isn't working very well. Seems like a large amount of the problems we're seeing come from the fact that they're illegal in the first place. Unfortunately mental illness is a bit more difficult. Can give a schizophrenic meds and release them but they have to decide for themselves that they're gonna take them, follow up with a doctor, report any negative side effects, etc and really choose to work with the doctor to treat the illness. Always sad to see the ones who prefer the voices because they make them feel less lonely or whatever the reason they choose to refuse treatment is. At that point, I feel it's perfectly reasonable to lock them in a facility until they're able to be trusted to keep taking their meds. Would also help to do something like probation where they can be called in for a pill count and tested to be sure they're still on the medicine and if they're not, back to the psych ward.
@wakeyskate
@wakeyskate Год назад
@@Blunt_Man forget how mass shootings are categorised for a moment and focus specifically on school shootings 2009-2018 US - 288 Mexico - 8 South Africa - 6 India - 5 Nigeria - 4 Pakistan -4 Afghanistan - 3 Brazil - 2 Canada - 2 France - 2 And 9 other countries on - 1 UK - Dunblane 1996, legislation for gun control brought in 2 parts during 1997, have a guess how many school shootings since then….
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
@@wakeyskate There's definitely a violence and a mental health problem in the states, no argument here. I'm a huge fan of taking the billions spent on foreign aid, the DEA, etc and using some of that to keep schools safe as well as take care of the many untreated mentally ill people as well. They sent 50 billion to Ukraine yet can't even keep their schools safe, doesn't make much sense to me...
@biancastrauss464
@biancastrauss464 Год назад
Oh my goodness I have been patiently waiting for another one of these. I love you chaps so much. I'd love to be a guest.
@seandaniels7938
@seandaniels7938 7 месяцев назад
This kids face pisses me off like I think it's mostly cuz of what he did and how it was pretty much cuz he felt like it as he was deemed mental fit to stand trial and was well aware of his actions
@ME-dn8sm
@ME-dn8sm Год назад
How can a vast amount of Americans not see that rehearsing active shooter drills in schools is not a normal activity. Makes me feel sick
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
Can't speak for everyone but most see it, it's what to do to stop it that we disagree on.
@rich_884
@rich_884 Год назад
Great pod as usual guys. Is your store down? It’s not showing any products
@ICouldMurderAPodcast
@ICouldMurderAPodcast Год назад
Hey Rich, it's on a temporary break but will be back up and running in the near future!
@simonroper4713
@simonroper4713 Год назад
Tragic. Tragic that Ben is now just a guest star. Seriously though this is so awful.
@Mavisdundundunnnmanston
@Mavisdundundunnnmanston Год назад
The Supreme gentleman is such a hero to all these guys. As well as the columbine guys. Btw, they were not bullied. They were the bullies.
@RockGypsy319
@RockGypsy319 Год назад
And now we have Uvalde, TX!!! Will it ever end????
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
Only if the government starts investing as much money into keeping our schools safe as they do providing foreign aid, running the largest prison population in the world, funding the DEA that's made almost zero impact on the opioid "epidemic" or any other drug, funding the border patrol who stop less than 10% of narcotics at the border and clearly isn't doing a very good job at stopping illegal immigrants from crossing, etc.
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron Год назад
I don’t like guest Ben. I like main host Ben. 😭😭😭😭😭
@Sebastian-md8xu
@Sebastian-md8xu Год назад
Used to live in Margate liked it their didn't witness the nights out as I was a child but a nice city
@troysitko1274
@troysitko1274 Год назад
Was expecting someone to spot Dave Franco in the Lookalikey segment.
@ComradeMarlow
@ComradeMarlow Год назад
*stares at the nice-ish headphones rhe whole time*
@JUSTNICK455
@JUSTNICK455 Год назад
so where do we sign up to be a guest host would love to have banter with you guys
@jackjones7407
@jackjones7407 Год назад
Anyone else hear ‘big shit out’ at 3:32 aswell?🤣
@cheryaltry5346
@cheryaltry5346 Год назад
Can you do a video on Virginia tech plz?
@jacobash1224
@jacobash1224 Год назад
My lookalikes would've been he looks like a crackhead dave franco
@thekingspanttree8495
@thekingspanttree8495 Год назад
Totally unrelated, but do you have any plans on looking into The Wonderland Murders?
@ICouldMurderAPodcast
@ICouldMurderAPodcast Год назад
We haven't but we'll have to have a read up on it 👌🏻
@Priesty1997
@Priesty1997 Год назад
Nice video
@jeanninehochet
@jeanninehochet Год назад
Why on earth was he not stopped. So many red flags. Crazy kid. Why does this keep on happening??
@TrollinNolan69
@TrollinNolan69 7 месяцев назад
Idk what ya'll kept reading that was stating it was the deadliest school shooting in US history. Unfortunately that title belongs to Virginia Tech.
@Samwellisation
@Samwellisation Год назад
Was a hard watch this one, more than usual.
@tomproctor5075
@tomproctor5075 Год назад
High iron diet...... deserved more
@SgHawk144
@SgHawk144 Год назад
Oyoy. Yes, please.
@SgHawk144
@SgHawk144 Год назад
Very well covered guys. With a case so fresh in peoples minds you will of course need to show more delicacy than those where details have been shrouded by time, however, I still feel you managed to add some interesting opinion with the facts. Very interesting listen 🎧 Thanks lads.
@pirate_duck4985
@pirate_duck4985 Год назад
The whole Hashtag "Never Again" both saddens & infuriates me. I doubt it even had a chance to go viral before another mass/school shooting happened again!! I've seen a couple people mention this in the comments & it could very well be plausible. The reason he's much calmer, not spouting nonsense etc is because he's properly medicated & has a strict regime, implemented by people that won't take any shit from him. I do wonder about what diagnosis he has? I have BPD with Psychotic Symptoms, I have spent time sectioned & honestly from what my friends said when I first started slipping? They thought I was taking the piss, really poor taste jokes on my behalf kinda thing & then I had a full psychotic break a few weeks later. However with that said, there are NUMEROUS accounts of him being manipulative or violent to get what he wants, all sorts of bizarre shit in his Internet search history. I do find it hard to believe he was having a psychotic episode or perhaps Schizophrenic. He comes across more as a Sociopath to me, with some of his actions, the way he just didn't care how his behaviour effected other people etc. The whole oh poor me act seems just that an act.
@bghrfc2411
@bghrfc2411 Год назад
Here we are again
@ieatmothersfordinner
@ieatmothersfordinner Год назад
( is it me or is the merch shop completely empty?)
@ICouldMurderAPodcast
@ICouldMurderAPodcast Год назад
It closed whilst Producer Dan is on his honeymoon. It will be open again soon ❤️
@Liam-qn2kn
@Liam-qn2kn Год назад
I dont have a very good lookalikey today but with his apology in court I think he looks alot like Seymour from little shop of horrors
@carlwharmby9424
@carlwharmby9424 Год назад
There is no pier in margate,its my hometown,we have a harbour arm.
@ICouldMurderAPodcast
@ICouldMurderAPodcast Год назад
Poor from me, sorry Carl!
@carlwharmby9424
@carlwharmby9424 Год назад
@@ICouldMurderAPodcast don't sweat it,keep up the good work bert and ernie.x
@ianwelch8935
@ianwelch8935 Год назад
There Has not been a pier in Margate Kent. for nearly 40 years 🤙
@ianwelch8935
@ianwelch8935 Год назад
Tom needs to get his facts correct , letting Ben down .
@ICouldMurderAPodcast
@ICouldMurderAPodcast Год назад
I really Carter'd it up 😔
@N0N4ME06
@N0N4ME06 15 дней назад
Was it intentional that he got those goofy ass 70's serial killer glasses?
@cmae6
@cmae6 2 месяца назад
I’m only 20 minutes in so this might change but I rlly think people should keep an eye on his brother Zach. He was doing ALL the same stuff his brother was, just not saying he was going to shoot up a school, I really doubt both brothers never spoke about that together. That kid was still abusing animals as a child and growing up, still abusive toward his mother. I don’t get how he can turn around and say “he punched the wall over COD” yet not mention that he did also help try to kill cats like what
@cmae6
@cmae6 2 месяца назад
this is absolutely mad, the school obviously had an idea of him doing what he did, they banned him from wearing a backpack. Then they have these practice school shootings with him in the building too?? It might be small but surely makes no sense what so ever
@smakaveli4104
@smakaveli4104 Год назад
I'm my city more then 2 people get shot at the same time every could days I'm sore they consider that a mass shooting
@LJProductions247
@LJProductions247 7 месяцев назад
You must have forgotten about Virginia tech….
@pombear9
@pombear9 Год назад
how did he go from being a cute kid to looking like that?! damn. should've just looked in the mirror for entertainment
@dannymatley7428
@dannymatley7428 Год назад
Ngl I have listened to your podcast for a while now and never known what u both looked like? I came here to see what you look like and I have to say the voices don’t match the faces at all I’ve been thinking dans Atleast 60
@ChakasCave
@ChakasCave Год назад
Don’t feel right liking this video, but it was a good watch
@differentdreamer7317
@differentdreamer7317 Год назад
Trigger warnings ,you are so woke 😂
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron Год назад
18:30 wtf America?
@ME-dn8sm
@ME-dn8sm Год назад
Right, how the fuck can the authorities not have acted upon such a ridiculous number of warning signs. Not even just warning signs fucking crimes. The USA is closing in on being one of the HBO flagship dystopion shows.
@ME-dn8sm
@ME-dn8sm Год назад
From the outside the statwe appear to be collapsing In on themselves .
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
A mass shooting is considered any shooting where 3 or more people are injured or killed. An overwhelmingly large number of those are actually gang shootings in urban cities where firearms are already banned using handguns which are even harder to legally obtain than rifles are. It's all a direct result of the war on drugs essentially handing control of the drug trade over to criminals.
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron Год назад
@@Blunt_Man so?
@Blunt_Man
@Blunt_Man Год назад
@@AcornElectron So I think it's pretty important to note that it's very few innocent people being killed by comparison, most are criminals and killers themselves. When people hear "mass shooting" they usually picture innocent people in areas like schools and malls being the victims, not armed criminals already breaking the law by just possessing a firearm in the first place being the perpetrators or victims. Considering that you pointed out the numbers mentioned, do you not think that it overwhelmingly being a gang related problem and not just innocent people going about their daily lives makes a difference?
@matthewfofi6466
@matthewfofi6466 Год назад
🌩 ⚡ 💺 plzzzzz
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