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The Senior Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are well compensated and well looked after. The former is a numerical value that we know is at least $120,000. The latter is a lot harder to quantify, but that won't stop me trying.
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@tomoates8568 Месяц назад

Hold on!! 120K stipend, plus reimbursements for just about any conceivable expense?! They can literally just pocket 120K a year because it all gets reimbursed. The fact that they're still requiring people who live in extreme poverty to pay them 10 percent of their income, when they can afford to live a luxurious lifestyle on those same impoverished people's dime is despicable

@jewelgazer Месяц назад

And wow oh wow tunnels underground in SLC??? It’s beyond wild!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

People need to keep in mind that the 120K figure is just based on information that was leaked many years ago. It's most likely double that now...at least. The Church is still not transparent about the compensation package the GAs receive. I've heard several times over the years that new "apostles" also receive a lump sum in the 7 figures when they become apostles. It may just be a rumor. But I wouldn't be surprised. There's a reason why the Church provides no transparency...and it's not because the compensation is "modest".

@giuliom3564 Месяц назад

@@TEAM__POSEID0NBut it's ridiculous this fixation with the high stipend of general authorities when most of them (including Russell Nelson) earned much more than that with their job.

@SilentThundersnow Месяц назад

I was told I had to pay tithing even tho I was raising 3 children on disability income by myself. That meant going without basic needs to give the church $100/month that would've bought gas and food that I regularly did without, and I went without food if we went through a drive thru for a burger. I literally went to bed hungry for this monster evil church. I asked for help with a $40 gas bill once, and I was told the church requires us to get help from family. I just didn't pay another bill and went without more basic needs during that time, because I had been GROOMED, INDOCTRINATED to believe in an invisible being that would be mad at me and reject me from my family and heaven if I didn't. It's so evil, I can't believe we can't sue them, they are FILTHY RICH. AND I MEAN FILTHY. Religion should not only be taxed, it should be illegal to teach people that an invisible man in heaven wants you to obey them... Or else. 👀😳⚡🤬

@sarahjane8063 Месяц назад

@@giuliom3564not when they continue to claim the LDS church has no paid clergy.

@CGL-zb8wz Месяц назад

I realize that all of these men earned well over $120k/year in the private sector before becoming general authorities. BUT, that income would have stopped upon retirement - somewhere around 65 years old. These men are earning this $120k stipend PLUS any income from pensions, 401k’s, social security, etc., until they die! AND, as has been mentioned - they are reimbursed for just about everything! Not a bad gig if you can get it! To say the church or its leaders are not wealthy, is a big fat lie!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Also, I'm sure the 120K figure is out of date. It's based on information that was leaked MANY years ago (not on anything recently disclosed by the Church). It's probably at least double that now. Also, the wealthiest of them are wealthy due to owning businesses and investments that they don't necessarily stop owning. Several of them are/have been lifelong employees of the Church or church-owned organizations (e.g. Packer, Monson, Hinckley). For them becoming an "apostle" is the peak of their career path. And they appeared to all be quite wealthy.

@micheleh3851 Месяц назад

@@CGL-zb8wz - You are assuming that no one is called to be a General Authority until after age 65 when they are retired from their careers. Most are called in their 50's, well before retirement age. Thomas Monson was only 36. He, like the others, left his full time career to serve tbe Church full time for the rest of his life. I doubt he had enough saved up or had enough in a retirement fund to support his young family by age 36 and live for the rest of his life into his 90's without some type of stipend. I have heard that Dieter Urchrdorf declined the stipend because he didn't need it. I don't know about the others but I know I would need a stipend to live on for 40 or 50 years if I wasn't earning income from a regular job. The amount of social security and retirement a person gets is based on the years they work and how much they earned while working, so it's not always enough to live on even if you work decades and retire at 65.

@micheleh3851 Месяц назад

@@CGL-zb8wz - My earlier comment was deleted. You are assuming they retire at 65. Most are called in their 50's and have to quit their careers. Thomas Monson, the former prophet was only 36.

@NathanLewis-pk3kq Месяц назад

@@micheleh3851 Also, while not true for everyone, but in my field (which some of the apostles come from), those who "retire" often just move into consulting so they keep earning >$120K per year after 65, while working fewer hours.

@bmo5082 Месяц назад

Which brings up a good point. If they made a lot more in the private sector, and are now of retirement age, why should they still need to get paid? I look at the bishop of my ward. He’s a humble and good man, an electrician probably nearing his 70s and still works. I would take his council long before I would any of q15s.

@donnellallan Месяц назад

I am so outraged by the shenanigans of these chuckleheads that I almost had to turn off this video part way through in disgust. The joke about the Quinten L Cookbook kept me listening. Thanks for the great reporting and for the laugh. 💜

@MGQ888 Месяц назад

Same

@debrawallace4542 Месяц назад

The more I hear about church leaders, the less I like them. I'm so much happier now that I'm out!!

@deborahduffy99 Месяц назад

Me too

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@deborahduffy99 quiet. fake post.

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@@debrawallace4542 so are we.

@4bibimimi Месяц назад

Sunlight is the best disinfectant😊

@1BENBORNAGAIN Месяц назад

@@debrawallace4542 Ex Mormon here too! 🙏✝️

@stevehornsby7727 Месяц назад

I used to attend the temple in near Gatwick Airport doing baptism for the dead. I thought it crazy then and even more crazy now. I am no longer an active Mormon. Excellent video Nemo

@williamburns7354 Месяц назад

Satanic practice. Calling on the dead is occultic Spirtualism

@Lovethisguy-kf1ku Месяц назад

Put your money where your mouth is. Get your name removed. Anyone who still belongs is complicit with the craziness and lies they whine about.

@jewelgazer Месяц назад

Bravo Nemo! As always, I love your clips/music!!! I truly hope that somehow this episode will be heard by the masses.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

I hope so too!

@lostinthailand9487 Месяц назад

This is really sick. I had never known about the second anointing, this is not Christ like. I'm glad I left this church

@lindylund280 Месяц назад

It seems to me the second anointing is something like becoming a 33rd degree free Mason as far as no further culpability. So much "secret" stuff in the church corresponds to Free Masonry. This is what started my questioning. The Big 3 pushing Covid vaccines put me over. By that time there was a lot of info out about jab consequences, and Nelson is a "world-renown" cardiothoracic surgeon!

@bartbutkis Месяц назад

"The Church is not wealthy" 🤣

@darkapertureproductions2753 Месяц назад

Yeah, my ass!

@vasetitoleafoa5583 Месяц назад

😂😢😅

@jessicamasonsonneborn4864 Месяц назад

You don’t think the church is not rich? Do some fact checking and you will learn something! Multi billion dollar corporation, land ownership, business ownership by the church and mor. The church is building a $600,000,000 hotel and office building in downtown Salt Lake City

@aaronclinger3521 Месяц назад

😂😅😂😅

@loubylou1899 Месяц назад

Nobody who is wealthy ever thinks they are wealthy, there is always more to be had. I guess that extends to institutions too. I always say look in the opposite direction and you will realise how wealthy you are.

@lindabommarito4623 Месяц назад

Remember, the $120,000 was 10 years ago. I’m sure with COL increases it’s higher now. Also, when your house, car, clothing (and it’s NICE clothing; they’re not shopping at Walmart) , even gifts, etc is all reimbursed, what else do you need.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

I’d love to be able to give a more up to date figure, but I’m not comfortable doing it myself as I know whatever figure I come up with would be treated by some as the exact accurate figure that the leaders are now paid.

@angelaricaurte6926 Месяц назад

Wow...Mission President's reimbursed for pretty much everything. Me as a lowly missionary...I pay for everything!

@micheleh3851 Месяц назад

@angelaricaurte6926 - When the Mission Presidents were lowly missionaries they had to pay for themselves too. When they are done serving in the presidency in 3 or 5 years they will be unemployed just as you were when you returned from your mission.

@hannahhar19 Месяц назад

@@micheleh3851a lot of mission presidents are retired anyways. Some have agreements with previous employers to assure a position for them when they come back. They're at a phase in life where their careers are already established.

@angelaricaurte6926 Месяц назад

Yes, mission presidents also had to pay for their mission. You are 100% right. Honestly, it would not upset me so much if the church also paid for the missionaries living expenses. No housekeeping or gift budgets. Just basic living: housing, food, utilities, etc. Also as a side note. Most (not all) mission presidents are financially set when they serve. Retired or wealthy on thier own. Both of the presidents I served with were well-off businessmen. They did not start at zero when they went home.

@kentthalman4459 Месяц назад

@@micheleh3851 Except that most are retired anyway. And those who aren't are mostly financially independent. I have several Mormon millionaire friends who were mission presidents, including my daughter's.

@jamiepotts6102 Месяц назад

It starts to look like a pyramid scheme to me. Only higher levels that vanishingly few can access (percentage of all active membership globally compared to mission presidents, first quorum 70, and above) paid for by the many underlings, who get none of those benefits. Only the promise of one day ascending to those same levels

@shawnbradford2243 Месяц назад

They also sit on the boards of the church owned for profit business, for and undisclosed income.

@thomasashton1661 Месяц назад

Came here to say this. Not only the boards of for-profit businesses but of the church-owned schools too

@DancingQueenie Месяц назад

Oh wow. My famously money grubbing bro-in-law (and my sister) have served THREE times as mission president. They rented out their 6 bedroom house in Alpine for a huge profit while away. I thought that alone would be enough to make him happy but now I know why he was exuberant to “serve” as MP. $$$$ What a frickin scam.

@daverichards308 Месяц назад

My Mission President also served as Mission President 3 times. Once at the local MTC and twice in the field. He never bothered to learn the language so that's why he always had American Assistants to interpret for him. Can you imagine. 9 years serving in countries which spoke a certain language and never bothering to learn it?

@DancingQueenie Месяц назад

@@daverichards308 Sounds like colonialism. Expecting the locals to learn his language and his culture (meaning Utah culture which is the same god’s, according to Oaks.) Yeah, 9 years out of your life, away from family and career but look at the power and prestige - and now I know about the MONEY. Good lord. Live like a freakin king on the backs of tithe payers BUT DONT TELL ANYBODY NOT EVEN THE IRS. That smug BIL knowing not only he’s got a free pass to Mormon vip heaven but he’s reaping riches the whole time 🤢. I won’t even tell my mother- she’d never believe it. She thinks the guys sacrificed so much. Grr.

@Lovethisguy-kf1ku Месяц назад

Sounds like a terrible man. They always pick the worst of the worst for those jobs.

@PatriciaNoel-qp2ff Месяц назад

I sent this to my 5 less active and one active adult children. It satisfied my anger a bit. Misery loves company 😮

@jewelgazer Месяц назад

I feel the same way as you! ALL members should have this info and decide for themselves whether it has any merit or not. My guess (and hope) is that they will be shocked and want to speak out in numbers!!

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

You still have your goat.

@jwestlu1 Месяц назад

You must be miserable.

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

Misery loves company until it realizes the misery wasn’t caused by what it thought it was caused by.

@honestabe.84 Месяц назад

ooohhh Wow... scandal. $120,000 stipend! For full time work with no weekends off. My hell... what do University presidents and mid-level corporate executives make these days. Being a Mormon leader is hardly a recipe for becoming rich.

@rosemariebennett7213 Месяц назад

Thank you for all of your research and hard work 🙏

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

My pleasure!

@Donnie-Lee-Gringo Месяц назад

Monson : "The church is not wealthy" ... now that's a lie. & " Our church has no paid ministry " ... and that one too. So Prophets Seers Revelators lie to the membership and the public.

@lilacbird8193 Месяц назад

The leaders and their families also receive the very best healthcare.

@joellavergne2001 Месяц назад

I believe the second anointing to be as damning as it gets for Mormonism. The religion over sells and under sells grace at the same time. Before you get the second anointing, grace is not enough to save you, works are required. After you get the second anointing, you're free to sin as you please, God will forgive you. It's really mind blowing stuff. All you need to know that Mormonism is a false doctrine: the second anointing, D&C 132, and the book of Abraham.

@vfromid2186 Месяц назад

The Church has a REALLY uneasy relationship with Grace. To the point that they cannot live it.

@sheliabryant3997 Месяц назад

@joellavergne. X 192 BILLION 🌈🌈🌈 🌈

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Mormon heaven has levels...just like multi-level marketing companies do.

@BabbaDmo Месяц назад

@@joellavergne2001 it’s is a world card reversed if you understand tarrot as such is the magic

@amybaker1880 Месяц назад

Brighamism, not Mormonism

@annapatterson549 Месяц назад

It sucks to know that my parents tithing goes to GA kid’s free college when my parents haven’t saved up one dollar for me to go.

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

Neither have my parents and I still went to college.

@annapatterson549 Месяц назад

@@phillipcook3430 yeah I’m starting this fall and I’m planning on paying all on my own. I’m pretty sure my parents paid a bit for my brothers while they were saving up for their missions though :/

@alexandralovin2117 Месяц назад

the prophet is not taylor swift. most people have no idea who he is, there is no reason he could just take a regular ass commercial plane like the rest of us commoners.

@micheleh3851 Месяц назад

@alexandralovin2117 Are you suggesting we should start worshipping Taylor Swift because she is more well-known? The Church doesn't own private jets. A member offered his company jet for President Nelson to use back in 2018 when he was traveling before Covid hit. The leaders typically take commercial flights just like everybody else...well except Taylor Swift I guess who probably has a private jet.

@Surface-n9k Месяц назад

Just because you don't know what the reason was doesn't mean it didn't exist. The world doesn't have to run every thing by you first to make sure you're ok with it.

@gazelam1973 Месяц назад

@alexandralovin2117 I couldn't disagree with you more. Yeah he's no T. Swift, but there are a lot of bad people who know who these men are. Guaranteed, if these top level GAs didn't have a security detail, there would be an assaination every decade, and probably a kidnapping for ransom every year. Are you saying you want a top level leader of an organization worth hundreds of billions of dollars, to have no security? To drive himself around? fly commercial? Live in a regular old house? That would be an open invitation for kidnapping and possibly murder. I may not be the biggest fan of these men, but I totally understand, and completely agree with, the course of action the lds church takes, to keep them safe and secure.

@gazelam1973 Месяц назад

@alexandralovin2117 I disagree. Yeah he's no T. Swift, but these men are most definitely not commoners either. I'm not for religious leaders living lavish lifestyles and getting paid millions if dollars, but I'm also not a fan of kidnapping for ransom, or targeted physical violence towards anyone. And these men run a multi billion dollar corporation. They have targets on their back. Flying on a private corporate aircraft gives the security detail far more control over security matters.

@alexandralovin2117 Месяц назад

@@Surface-n9k i have no idea what you’re saying.

@dori4567 Месяц назад

Oh my , this makes me kind of crazy to watch. How I followed this church for so long is beyond me . Great video !

@shawnbradford2243 Месяц назад

If it weren’t about the money they would be transparent about money!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Exactly. They aren't hiding information about GA compensation because it's "modest". They're hiding it because they know it's not.

@jennyelsie Месяц назад

Good pt

@KSASTAMPS Месяц назад

Please show me one scripture in any of the standard works that justifies using member donations for lavish leader support. Or, one that justifies withholding tithing funds (meant for the poor) and diverting into long-term capital investment projects. Every $1 of church investments originally came from tithing. That's the church we've built.

@kristinesharp6286 Месяц назад

It’s a multi billion dollar entity. They should be well paid.

@anitah2404 Месяц назад

@@kristinesharp6286 Off poor people’s food budget?

@kristinesharp6286 Месяц назад

@@anitah2404 who is poor? Someone with less. Or is there are particular amount?

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

Tithing isn’t for food fast offerings are. If this video was actually balanced you all would actually know what the truth was. Unfortunately MINO (Mormon in Name Only) has no motive to be fair or balanced. He is just turning in to another John Dehlin the Delusional. This MINO guy keeps on feeding misleading information by playing a small clip, ignoring all the other facts, and applying negative motives to almost everything he plays. This is basically the CNN or Fox News reporting about the other side. Hardly fair, hardly accurate, mostly designed to anger and divide and cause the viewers to be more angry to justify his own pride in his position no matter how right or wrong it is.

@danpiedra3910 29 дней назад

Are you really that upset that the Church doesn’t throw all their money at poverty? Have you taken this up with other wealthy religions or is it only the LDS church you have an issue with?

@EchoesfromtheTabernacle Месяц назад

The whole thing is a scam.

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@@EchoesfromtheTabernacle quiet fake.

@EchoesfromtheTabernacle Месяц назад

@@WatchingwaitingG2D are you off your meds again?

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@@EchoesfromtheTabernacle no one cares that you're gay.

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@EchoesfromtheTabernacle what's the matter your boyfriend break up with you again?

@mslaerik66 Месяц назад

"No paid minisry " We make members work for zero pay (but they pay us )

@kyleepratt Месяц назад

Just hire janitors at least, my god

@big-daddy-o8576 Месяц назад

We are taught that all members are equal. It's just that some members are more equal than others...and they walk on two legs too. Oh wait, that was George Orwell describing communism. ;)

@carolyearsley Месяц назад

His books, and others like Brave New World were telling us what was coming. Nowadays many movies do the same. It is called "predictive programming".

@alananat6628 День назад

AND THE STAR-BELLIED SNEECHES!

@ryanhollist3950 Месяц назад

I was told in exact words, that the ONLY income the leadership received was from the royalties on their books and any investments they had made before becoming a GA. My seminary teachers did not at all equivocate or evade the topic. They spoke definitively and exactingly.

@RyannJoyRule Месяц назад

Wowowow one of your best!!! That is wild

@chaserock4675 Месяц назад

I love your videos. They are well thought out and easy to understand. I look forward to many more. Thanks!

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Glad you like them!

@JacobDraper Месяц назад

It's also important to note that female general auxiliary presidencies are not paid a stipend for their work. They work on a volunteer basis.

@Lovethisguy-kf1ku Месяц назад

Do any auxiliary presidencies get paid? Probably not because they aren’t life terms. You look like you’re trying too hard to play the sexism card.

@JacobDraper Месяц назад

@@Lovethisguy-kf1ku⁠ You’re right. And it’s hard to know whether the auxiliary presidencies ought to be or would want to be paid, given the principles of consecration and volunteerism that the rest of the church operates by. Several of the women leaders in the auxiliaries have other full time jobs. GAs get paid so they can devote themselves full time to the ministry. Auxiliary presidencies probably have more than enough to keep them busy, but don’t have the luxury of getting paid for it. However, the fact that being a general authority also means being a compensated employee of the church corporation with the perks Nemo describes complicates their ministry. It incorporates incentives that may run contrary to the ideals of an unpaid ministry.

@alananat6628 День назад

@@Lovethisguy-kf1kuUm, it is sexism.

@nettylynnsiggy2711 Месяц назад

Thanks! We appreciate your hard work in exposing the corruption within the LDS church.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

My pleasure, thanks for you kind support!

@patrickjohnson3671 День назад

@@nettylynnsiggy2711 are you sure he is exposing the truth? Some guy just read what he claims to be the truth and you pay him for it ?

@patrickjohnson3671 День назад

@@NEMOTHEMORMON You actually accept money off the back of the Mormon church? Wow ! The sad part is your video is highly speculative.

@nettylynnsiggy2711 День назад

@@patrickjohnson3671 don’t make me laugh. The irony is that you believe what the churches tells you and you pay them for it! Ha ha!

@patrickjohnson3671 День назад

@@nettylynnsiggy2711 I appreciate that I have your attention. Please focus on the subject rather than on me, as I am not important here. I understand that you, like many others commenting here, likely dislike the LDS Church, which I respect as your choice. However, in your efforts to expose the Church as an evil empire, please at least speak the truth as it is, without distorting or twisting your findings-a pattern unfortunately followed by many anti-Mormons. I’m not sure if you’ve had the chance to read my comments, but I have extensively addressed why you are falsely accusing the LDS Church leaders of enriching themselves with Church money under false pretenses. The evidence you’ve presented is speculative, superficial, and hasty in its conclusions. Many, like you, are so quick to paint an ugly image of the Church that they don’t take the time to properly evaluate their findings. Those who are willing to spend the time and do proper research are likely to discover later that the findings of these anti-LDS critics were distorted. You and others are free to criticize the Church, but please be truthful about it. Why criticize the Church if you are doing the very thing you accuse the LDS leaders of-speaking half-truths and withholding facts?

@Joan_Riddle_Steinmann Месяц назад

I just heard that Scientology has something like the 2nd anointing in that you are not held accountable for “sins” like murder if you need to murder someone Scientology will cover you.

@Donnie-Lee-Gringo Месяц назад

Scientology teaches their members to never include police in any parts of their lives. All actions large and small are shared regularly in "Audting" sessions with another member as they hold onto the metal cans attached to the "E-meter" to measure the emotions of the sharer

@Donnie-Lee-Gringo Месяц назад

@@stellaarthur2739 Yes the doctrine is called "Fair Game Responses" including physical and mental retribution

@DancingQueenie Месяц назад

Trump can too.

@jimbosnoberger9420 Месяц назад

This church has lied the 54 years I've been alive.

@stanmayo1805 Месяц назад

About what?

@botofogo2212 Месяц назад

The church has lied since it's inception!

@paulbrungardt9823 Месяц назад

@@stanmayo1805 Every and Anything---Cheats about everything, just like Joseph Smith.

@ryangarrard3135 Месяц назад

A couple at the tip of the iceberg, Joseph smiths wife's, and temple ceremonies. Lookinto the history of this channel and other channels to get many well researched and substantiated examples and first hand accounts. I was gas lighted my whole life till I was a young adult, though that is a whole other story. Do your research, and follow your heart mind and the facts.

@ryangarrard3135 Месяц назад

Like Mormon Stories, From Cults to Conciousness, Nuancehoe and others

@macdonald2k Месяц назад

This is another reason why I don't give money to them anymore.

@stevehornsby7727 Месяц назад

@@macdonald2k I wish more members would find this out.

@jeffcarlin5866 Месяц назад

I stopped paying tithing when I was a Mormon when I learned that the Mormon Church was spending MILLIONS on advertising web browser search optimization...and during tithing settlements, I would tell my bishop that I was a full-tithe payer. I decided that if my bishop wanted to challenge me, I would challenge him. In the end, I resigned from the church and never looked back. My finances are NOT your business.

@Nickajohnsan Месяц назад

@@jeffcarlin5866I did something similar but received instant pushback from the bishop who insisted I wasn't a full tithe payer, so I decided to gtfo instead.

@Surface-n9k Месяц назад

@@jeffcarlin5866 I've been tithing for years and no one has ever asked for a pay stub. Your bishop never asked you for a pay stub either, you're just saying "if he did, I would have challenged him", but he didn't. I trust what they do with my tithes and if they think advertising web browser search optimization is necessary, that's where it's going. If I want to tithe for a specific reason, such as supporting the food bank, or supporting the missionaries, there are those options as well. I was surprised to see that the money I sent to my bishop, for my kid's camp, was counted as a tithe. I thought it was a camping fee for the rope course. 🤷‍♀

@jeffcarlin5866 Месяц назад

@@Surface-n9k My bishop did not challenge me because he clearly lacked the "spirit of discernment." He should have used the "Melchizedek Priesthood" in order to "discern" that I was not paying tithing and therefore not "worthy." At the end of the day, the Mormon leaders -- whether they are local or general authorities -- are no more powerful than you, me, or any other mammalian primate.

@HomestarJr Месяц назад

This is pretty much all disgusting. I used to hold the church and its “unpaid clergy” in such high regard, using it as an example when arguing with people about how much CEOs of public charities were making. Now that I’ve found the truth about them, and am justifiably upset with them for lying, I get “Hinckley said they were paid in a 1985 priesthood conference talk, it’s not their fault you were misinformed” My mission president was filthy rich. He told us so much every zone conference. He was a hotshot lawyer from Mesa Arizona, and he found a way to work in a reference to his massive wealth every time he spoke to us. It makes me sick that someone with that much wealth would also need the church to buy his family gifts. I encouraged poor members of the church to give up food on my mission to pay tithing, and the church was paying my mission president to have a personal chef. Anyways, I understand that this is the way the world works. It just hurts that I believed the church was different for most of my life.

@jewelgazer Месяц назад

I totally get where you are coming from! I have Protestant clergy in my family and many LDS folks would tell me that they were “wrong” because they were paid to be pastors, not to mention that long ago in the temple attendees saw the skit of Lucifer paid a Protestant minister to preach. It offends me and angers me beyond reason!!

@jdsartre9520 Месяц назад

what's his name? (from mesa) I might know him

@HomestarJr Месяц назад

@@jdsartre9520 David Udall

@ShawnRogersthomas 25 дней назад

Exactly how I feel. I was so proud of no paid leaders of the Church. Now I am heartbroken and have lost Faith 😮

@nancyevans3590 Месяц назад

After watching that video clip of Oaks , once again I’m struck with how they say the most horrible things with a smile, as if they hope nobody will notice how awful the thing they said was.

@ChrisS-dt3vq Месяц назад

I vividly remember when he said that! It was a jaw dropping moment for me. Clearly unforgettable.

@thomasashton1661 Месяц назад

And he's the next president of the church!

@carolyearsley Месяц назад

@@thomasashton1661 He may be the cause of many more thousands leaving.

@TheBackyardProfessor Месяц назад

May be?????@@carolyearsley

@Fuhgeddaboudit94 Месяц назад

I love the music they put over it, like it's supposed to be so spiritually inspiring.

@1BENBORNAGAIN Месяц назад

"For the love of money is the root of all evil" (1 Timothy 6:10)

@brianjohnson9899 Месяц назад

I taught “no laid clergy” for 2 years incorrectly.

@cherylw7531 Месяц назад

*paid

@waynenewcombe7600 Месяц назад

They are paid and laid. Haha 😂

@alananat6628 День назад

@@waynenewcombe7600Except for Bednar.

@dalman_01 Месяц назад

Biggest pyramid scheme ever conceived lol.

@HeroMan380 Месяц назад

Awesome work, keep doing what your doing Nemo

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Thanks, will do!

@madamwiperfluid Месяц назад

Nemo, an additional perk are the church owned recreation properties such as hunting preserves for the use of church leadership.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Would love to see a source for this!

@KayBrady-vm9ep Месяц назад

This just made me hate the church more. There are so many ppl struggling just to buy a home or put food on the table. It’s sickening!!

@King_Puffleump Месяц назад

Wow the church really needs to be taxed

@susansullivansullivan3695 Месяц назад

ALL churches need to be taxed!

@scottm4975 Месяц назад

If this bothers you then go look and see how much the ceo of Red Cross and other non profits make. Hint: it’s a lot more than the apostles

@monicacall7532 Месяц назад

Does the IRS know about this part of the church??? They certainly ought to!

@TS-iv9ml Месяц назад

Any corporation that uses ©️ on all it's paperwork = company which should be taxed as well as all their shell companies, real-estate, private jets etc...

@gazelam1973 Месяц назад

Agreed....but it will NEVER happen. This is the one "sacred cow" the church values above everything else, and I mean everything. If there is talk, and I mean serious talk, of passing laws or changing tax codes in order to make the church no longer tax exempt. The LDS church will go to war, so to speak, to keep its tax exempt status. If it means changing doctrines, beliefs, practices, etc...then so be it. They will sacrifice anything to stay tax exempt. I'm sure having billions of dollars to hire lobbyists and lawyers to influence lawmakers votes also helps.

@kevin_conley Месяц назад

I stopped tithing years ago

@China-Clay Месяц назад

Did you burn up?

@jacobopstad5483 Месяц назад

Some of it I can understand. The church owning a private jet and housing for leaders to use seems fine enough in my opinion because those can be considered church property but mission presidents getting reimbursed for paying gardeners is essentially the same thing as the church paying them itself, making the gardeners effectively church employees. And, of course, I get the feeling there is a lot more going on with BYU than we are aware of. Children of mission presidents getting free education while third-world country inhabitants being required to pay for it is particularly egregious!

@thomasashton1661 Месяц назад

Required to pay for it, and pay the interest for the loan.

@carolyearsley Месяц назад

And they don't clean their toilets, either.

@FiddyStump-tn6kk Месяц назад

Lol, "Our church is not wealthy" my ASS.

@r7erickson Месяц назад

Ivory Homes (Utah home builders) donates model homes to the LDS church as tithing. Most of the upper leadership receive a home and don’t have to pay a mortgage.

@deborahduffy99 Месяц назад

@@r7erickson wow-talk about money laundering!

@PutingPinoy Месяц назад

The church is ridiculously wealthy! So the stuff that Thomas S Monson said was not true.

@jeffcarlin5866 Месяц назад

My mission president did not like the home theater set-up at his headquarters in our mission. The tithe payers fit the bill. He didn't give the purchase a second thought -- a new television and new appliances and new speakers.

@DaveHazelbaker Месяц назад

Hypocrites for sure...

@nancysteen9111 Месяц назад

Just like Jesus would have done.

@kristinesharp6286 Месяц назад

It’s like all prosperity gospels. You have to show you are financially blessed for people to believe they will be financially blessed.

@jeffcarlin5866 Месяц назад

@@kristinesharp6286 My mission president was a successful doctor from Idaho. He was wealthy...so, blessed indeed.

@MegaJohn144 Месяц назад

Mission presidents get free medical care, while the poor missionaries have to bear all the cost.

@Ab44778 Месяц назад

@positivevibes1760 ….. you’re really going to complain that the mission president stayed in a nice house? Is this your issue with the church? This is quite easily explained and if people are going to get mad at that, they’ll just get mad at anything. When you have people (missionaries) who are literally at their apartments to sleep essentially, you don’t need fancy housing. Zone leaders and PA’s spend more time in their apartments for calls, planning etc. this is basic stuff bro lol. Let’s see what the “zone leaders” living situation is like in Ecuador… cmon everywhere is different

@kyleepratt Месяц назад

⁠saying that teenagers are made to work so much they only are in their housing to sleep is not a point in favor of the missionary system. It was the hardest 2 years of my life and I regret putting myself through that.

@oddcheese6384 Месяц назад

And mission presidents actively discourage missionaries from seeking medical care unless it’s an emergency.

@Cyber_Cowboy Месяц назад

@@Ab44778you kind of suck at discussing debating topics. So every time you hear someone complain about something someone complains about Biden you say that's your only problem I'm assuming it's the only problem because there is no information given that that is your only issue but I'm going to assume it so I can make a dumb comment about it and then I'm going to say if you have an issue with that you'd have an issue with anything. What information a reasoning was provided to make you think if they have a problem with that then they'll find a problem with anything. What about finding problems that are actually problems? How about just discuss what issue is being talked about Don't assume anything that's not relevant or not backed up with reason just debate the topic of the comment. If you don't understand why people would have a problem with that it's your lack of intelligence I know I could be in the position of thinking that it's all right that they have a stipend but also understanding why someone would have a problem with it

@Cyber_Cowboy Месяц назад

@@Ab44778or a shorter way to say your comment. If a lie this outrageous makes you mad then you're going to be one of those people that get mad at all the lies that they tell

@mybachhertzbaud3074 Месяц назад

As a fellow Utahn, that never joined the Church, I really don't care if my neighbors want to spend their hard earned money to provide a luxury life for a few "celebrities". I see it everyday in life that people give their money to celebrities and corporations in secular life as well.🤔 i do think that they should know what they're paying for however , so your channel is indeed helpful.

@Tomiy.872 Месяц назад

Blows my mind that missionaries have to pay their own way through their voluntary service, partly relying on members to feed them, but mission presidents are paid AND reimbursed for most expenses. "It means more when you have to save up and pay your way." If that's true, why doesn't mission president's service have to mean anything to them?

@larrybandy9672 15 дней назад

I don't think he said mission pres were paid??

@trentontuckett1263 Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing Nemo. I do not think any of these financial aspects are inappropriate. I do wish two things: 1) the church would stop declaring having an unpaid clergy, 2) pay bishoprics and stake presidents for the many hours they put in.

@IBNED Месяц назад

They are significant time consuming part time jobs. We could make them full time jobs like Church education. Jomo

@botofogo2212 Месяц назад

I agree, and bishops should have formal training. The slave labor at the lower rungs of the church is disgusting. Scientology would be proud!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Having an unpaid clergy is nothing to boast about. It just means you have an untrained, strained, distracted, unfocused and often stressed out person under pressure to pretend to be some kind of local religious leader, while they also neglect the needs of their own family members. It's a nonsensical proposition that is derived from some antiquated and heavily romanticized notions about something that may have been sort of possible in a small agrarian community...sort of like the Amish. In modern Mormonism randomly selecting people from unrelated backgrounds to be local religious leaders is as inappropriate and clumsy as randomly assigning janitors and gardeners to be part-time, unpaid lawyers and surgeons for 5 to 10 years.

@lifeisagift.cherisheverymoment Месяц назад

"The Church Is Not Wealthy"... $100 Billion is not accumulated wealth, it is accumulated Tithing set aside to maintain Church Leadership's Lavish Lifestyles as ordained and stipulated by Heavenly Father.

@carverredacted Месяц назад

As someone who lived in a homelessness shelter in SLC for two years and now lives in a housing project where the senior missionaries are allowed to host a meeting in the common area on Sunday, the fact that the President of the Church is entitled to a penthouse, and the church owning apartment buildings/homes is geniuely upsetting. Like wtf. I knew people in the shelter who waited nearly a decade for housing vouchers. Like how can you be so removed from the suffering of the people in your city and claim to follow Jesus? Also not gonna lie, it would be really interesting to actually know the extent of the Church's involvement with homelessness outreach in SLC, since I only have my first hand experience. I can't find anything besides the Church's name proudly being listed on the lists of donors of the shelter i stayed at.

@ginatriana1523 Месяц назад

...wow. What did God say, something about the difficulty of rich men entering heaven....🤦

@bewitched3912 Месяц назад

My grandfather told me Fast and Testimony Meeting was a travelog of member's retelling their travels and adding something church related 😅 it's time to tax them already

@sheliabryant3997 Месяц назад

@bewitched. "BOAST and TASTY MONEY" meeting? 😜😜

@sheliabryant3997 Месяц назад

"Big Boy" Sunday School Class. = TESTOSTERONE TESTIMONY TOURNAMENT

@spiritbearsrawesome Месяц назад

We call it “open mic Sunday” in our house

@bewitched3912 Месяц назад

@@spiritbearsrawesome 😆

@bewitched3912 Месяц назад

@@sheliabryant3997 😆

@SilentThundersnow Месяц назад

Sir Nemoalot 🤺!!😂 👍 Great video again! I noticed a certain pride in Henry B Eyring, with a beam in his eye, as Dad installs son, with the glowing title, 'President of Brigham Young University...' Record scratch...⚡ Disappointment flashes across Daddy's eye as he gives the requisite - 'Idaho.' Almost made it, son. Almost good enough. I imagine the real BYU needs a guy presiding who knows what he's doing, or isn't just an end table serving the GIANT egos of the reigning narcissists. ... But that's just me speculating, under the comedic vibes of Sir, Nemoalot 🤺

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

The BYU-I Presidency is like an Eyring claimed sinecure at this point. Henry B (nephew of Spencer W. Kimball) was the president at one point. Then his son. A grandson is probably waiting for his turn. There may also be some Bednars who want to make a claim on the position. Maybe they'll have to take turns. Meanwhile Bonnie Cordon, another child of another GA (the late Harold G. Hillam) was recently made the president of the LDS Church-linked Southern Virginia University. No discernible qualifications other than having been Young Womens President for the Church at one point and having some kind of undergraduate degree from BYU. Most descriptions simply say she "attended BYU" and don't specify any degree. Holland's son got the job of President of Utah Valley University. I'm sure family connections have nothing to do with any of the above. LOL.

@paulo7200 28 дней назад

Are you referring to the fact that BYU Idaho is one of the lowest ranked "universities" in the nation? Or that it admits 16-year-old students without US equivalent high school diplomas?

@mgeuleinstsear Месяц назад

Russell handing Jacinda Ardern a Book of Mormon 😬 I wonder what Jacinda, an Ex-Mormon who left the Church in her 20s because of LGBTQ and tithing issues, did with her copy of the BoM. Whatever she did, I hope it felt cathartic.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

I’d love to know!

@oddcheese6384 Месяц назад

They were earning this kind of money for literally nothing, while I was barely scraping by and literally starving because I gave my grocery money to tithing because they told me to. Sickening. They should all be ashamed.

@matthewmitchell68 Месяц назад

My mission president is the epitome of church legacy. His pension is with the church, his healthy wealth came from the church. He had 15 plus years of free housing from the church as both a mission president and also a temple president. I thought he worked for free as a mission president, NOPE he had a healthy reimbursement plus all of his kids got to go to college for free. Plus his kids often times visited him. Yep he has no reason to deny it’s true with his great perks in church leadership. Plus his great status in church culture

@rongustaveson4493 Месяц назад

Have you done a video on Russel M Nelson's autobiography called Heart to Heart and more importantly page 48 secret society?

@ActedUponNoMore Месяц назад

Wow Do not show any income from the church on your tax return. Do not call it income.💸

@gazelam1973 Месяц назад

I dont have a problem with the use of the private jet. I work in aviation and speaking strictly from the point of view of those who are the leaders of major corporations, businesses, religious institutions, and government officials. I would say flying privately is the only way to go. For these leaders, time is money, so flying private cuts time dramatically. It also allows for making last minute changes to ones schedule. For example, lets say President Eyring flys out to some far flung place, and conducts some church buisness, dedicates a temple, and does what GAs do. And lets say he's pressed for time and his meeting goes long. If he flys commercial, he could miss his flight, and seriously mess up the rest of his busy schedule. Where as if he flies private, there is no problem. Its not like the private jet is going to leave without him, at worst the pilots might have to file a new flight plan...big deal. The other thing to consider that this video didnt take into account, is these type of people are targets, their lives are constantly being threatened. Flying private is a far better way to go, because the body gaurds and security teams can have far more control over security matters. Thats my two cents on the matter.

@emilec310 Месяц назад

If they don't use a private jet, they exclusively fly first class on airlines.

@stevenhorne Месяц назад

I remember Elder LeGrand Richards used to fly coach, refusing to fly first class because he said it wasn't right for an apostle to lift himself up above the common man. Haven't seen any other general authorities doing that.

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

They have to. How else can you get faith-promoting stories about them having conversations on planes with famous celebrities, like Gene R. Cook's story about sitting next to Mick Jagger on a long flight.

@QuinnPrice Месяц назад

I grew up interacting with apostles. Their main reward is the adoration they get. Some are very loving, smart people (Faust, Hunter), while others are mentally ill narcissists (Packer, Kimball).

@giuliom3564 Месяц назад

Kimball a narcissist? He seemed more humble than most of the apostles.

@OmahaAreaLoya Месяц назад

Nelson definitely seems to me a narcissist.

@SevenLlamas Месяц назад

Back in the 70s-80s, I had at least four personal encounters with Pres Kimball. For all his errors (likely rooted in the pioneer ethic/superstitions in which he was raised in frontier Arizona), I found him genuinely caring (especially about Native Americans, Blacks, Chinese, women, and other underdogs), approachable, and pious in the best sense. I left the church decades ago partly due to so many GAs being not like him but egomaniacs, delighting in pushing their weight around and persecuting perceived enemies.

@stanmayo1805 Месяц назад

The Church does not own private jets. Church leaders generally fly commercial, though there have been instances when wealthy members (such as Jon Huntsman) have offered the use of their own personal jets to Church leaders. I knew personally knew of one member who offered to give general authorities a ride on his private jet.

@nordicexile7378 Месяц назад

If true, would that give the owner claim to a charitable contribution for the use of the jet for religious purposes?

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Yes, and we only know about the use of the Huntsman corporate jet thanks to Richard Hinckley having an accident on board that required an emergency landing in Anchorage...that made the news. Of course the Church at this point could own two or three PJs without even feeling the slightest budgetary discomfort. Practically, however, it would be more economical to charter PJ flights on an as-needed basis. If they have a group of 8 or so flying with the "prophet" it wouldn't cost much more than buying first-class tickets for all of them and they would have more control over their schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing that now quite routinely. The Huntsman connection was reported on in the late 1990s, so that may not even be a thing anymore. (Interestingly, Nelson's son-in-law, Ringwood, worked for Huntsman enterprises before becoming a GA.)

@bethp8436 15 дней назад

@@TEAM__POSEID0NI had a friend whose son worked at the church office building fir a few years ago I remember that my friend told me that her sons co worker at the church office building family had gone to Hawaii for a vacation. While his family was in Hawaii President Uchtdorf and his family showed up on a private jet to vacation there first at least a month. The private jet that President Uchtdorf used to fly did not belong to the church. It belonged to a friend that Uchtdorf knew.

@TEAM__POSEID0N 14 дней назад

@@bethp8436 Not surprising about Uchtdorf especially. He's a pilot, presumably has many pilot friends and is also a former high-ranking executive in the aviation sector. That would be his personal business if he and his family have access to private jet travel for private family matters. (But it also reveals that none of the top leaders are just getting by on modest "stipends" and living very simple and frugal lifestyles behind the scenes...even though that's what defenders of the faith are always claiming, saying that these guys have all "sacrificed" their wealth for the church.) For official church business too, for any travel to a particular destination that would involve an entourage of several people, the cost of chartering a private jet for the trip could be around the same as the cost of booking business class tickets for everyone in the group.

@zendarawlings2237 Месяц назад

Books are priestcraft and are some of the most expensive books sold, some with leather covers selling for around $100, like biographies and autobiographies of top leadership.

@nathanaeldavenport2251 Месяц назад

According to the church, as I recall from the announcement for the PEF, the “modest” interest on the loans goes back into the fund. So if we can take them at their word, the church is not technically making a profit on that fund. However, given what happened behind closed doors with Ensign Peak Advisers, I don’t believe we can take them at their word.

@hittsrus5185 Месяц назад

When it was first announced, I was young teen and didn't remember them talking about it being an interest based loan. I was so sad to find out recently that the money I set aside went to fund a student loan, not a scholarship.

@LeoLemonKitty Месяц назад

Worse is that they only loan out the interest on the money donated. It’s an endowment fund. Hinckley said, “Based on similar principles to those underlying the Perpetual Emigration Fund, we shall call it the Perpetual Education Fund. From the earnings of this fund, loans will be made to ambitious young men and women, for the most part returned missionaries, so that they may borrow money to attend school.”

@hittsrus5185 Месяц назад

@@LeoLemonKitty wow I hadn't remembered that.

@LeoLemonKitty Месяц назад

@@hittsrus5185 it was hidden in plain sight. None of us caught it. The PEF has been discontinued but there is no disclosure of what was done with the fund. I donated monthly to that fund. I’d like to know where it is now.

@hittsrus5185 Месяц назад

@@LeoLemonKitty 😞

@pseudointellectual7843 Месяц назад

I would like to know the amount of royalties, if any received by President Kimball for his book The Miracle of Forgiveness. The book was promoted and prescribed by a worldwide network of bishops counseling sinners. It would also be interesting to know if President Kimball's estate continues receive the royalties.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Great question!

@ascendotuum9586 Месяц назад

This doesnt include the “company credit card” for “business expenses”. A great gig if you can get it, via polygamy ancestry. 😂

@GabeClendenning Месяц назад

Let’s also keep in mind that the $120,000 figure is now 10 years old.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Absolutely

@vp3970 Месяц назад

Thank you for the research.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

My pleasure!

@justinmasterson4611 Месяц назад

Looks like another good video Nemo You are like the radio free Mormon of the UK

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

More like the radio free MINO (Mormon in Name Only)

@carolyearsley Месяц назад

Even better than RFM

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

@@phillipcook3430 According to the logic of Nelson, a MINO cannot exist in the sense that you are implying. No faithful member of the Church is a "Mormon". Are you trying to sneak in a victory for Satan? There was a whole choir of people who worked out of Temple Square for many decades creating victories for Satan with every performance. Finally a real prophet stepped forward and put an end to that subversion. Choose ye this day...

@zackc3767 Месяц назад

I can't even imagine how much grift happens behind LDS temple building. Someone is getting paid a fat consulting fee.

@ToddMiller-nl2wn Месяц назад

Nemo! Did you know that this issue was brought up on the tv show “Big Love “? In the episode, Barb’s brother in law, an airline executive, is called to the First Quorum of the Seventy and given a lavish office in the Church Administration Building while his wife Cindy who is Barb’s younger sister lords it over everybody.

@stanmayo1805 Месяц назад

"General Authorities leave their careers when they are called into full time Church service. When they do so, they are given a living allowance which enables them to focus all of their time on serving in the Church. This practice allows for far more church members on a worldwide basis to be considered for a calling to serve as a General Authority, rather than limiting considerations to only those who may be financially independent. The living allowance is uniform for all General Authorities. None of the funds for this living allowance come from the tithing of Church members, but instead from proceeds of the Church's financial investments."

@botofogo2212 Месяц назад

According to whom?

@MAJdrdtucker Месяц назад

And .... the church financial investments (see SEC settlement) came originally from tithing funds, or other companies/investments which came from tithing funds....

@sarahjane8063 Месяц назад

Where do you think the church gets the money from to make "financial investments"?

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Yes… I included this in the video

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

@@sarahjane8063it’s for profit arms that it owns and operates. City Creek Reserve etc.

@michelle5784 Месяц назад

Elder Bednar's son was in home ward so Elder Bednar used to stop by 3 or 4 times a year, and he would talk to us as candidly as I think he was capable of. I remember one time he mentioned that he and the 12 live the law of consecration. Which makes me think that they pool their individual wealth and then invest it and redistribute it (with interest) to live on, which I feel like would motivate them to find more wealthy men to add to the pool. (This is all my speculation from one comment I heard him make years ago, so maybe I'm wrong, but it really stuck with me.)

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

Don’t even know what the law of consecration is?

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@@michelle5784 you have issues.

@michaellines2063 Месяц назад

If it weren't for donations the church would have nothing. Just because they invested the donations (instead of feeding the hungry) and used the dividends to pay the leaders doesn't mean that the original source wasn't tithing all along.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Great point

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

@@NEMOTHEMORMONactually this is not a great point. The LDS church is able to do more with tithing if invested rather than less. You may not like how they use it and think it is wrong but I think they actually do a lot of good with it and it also is going to open a lot of opportunities for them when everyone else keeps deciding to live beyond their means.

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

@@phillipcook3430 The point is that the money still comes from tithing. When a person pays money to the Church as tithing, the investment potential of that money is also given to the Church at the same time. It can't be separated out. I don't think most people would argue that the Church should never make investments using tithing money (or profits derived from profits from past investments of tithing money). But it's sophistry and deception for the Church to claim that they aren't using "tithing" for this or that just because they've decided to label profits derived from tithing as funds that are "not tithing".

@williamburns7354 Месяц назад

What a Cult. The final disposition of someone’s soul is determined by God only - not any man through any ordinance.

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

That’s not what Jesus taught. ‘Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit he cannot enter in to the Kingdom of Heaven’

@williamburns7354 Месяц назад

@@phillipcook3430 Baptism in itself does not guarantee eternal salvation but it is a necessary first step. The ordinance I am referring to is the Mormon Second Anointing where their leaders guarantee salvation of your soul

@bmo5082 Месяц назад

Nemo, I really don’t think the money or benefits is the main driver here. I make about $140,000 a year and I dont feel like I’m living high on the hog. The real perks to some of these guys is how much power and authority they wield. The members are absolutely enamored by the “greatness” of these men. It’s also likely an extremely easy job. My guess is that their schedules are very manageable and not much is required as far as performance.

@harambeboy Месяц назад

Is your 140k taxed? Is theirs?

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

I can see the point that it may not be about the money, that’s why this video sought to lay out the other perks they get. Also, great point by a commenter that the money leaders get isn’t taxed, compared to yours which is.

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

I think the larger point is the lack of transparency. Ordinary members of the Church simply don't know what kind of compensation these guys get. The stipend at this point is almost certainly much more than 120K, since we only know about the 120K figure from an unauthorized leak that came out more than a decade ago. The "modest stipend" could be the tip of the iceberg. Of course the motivations that drive them will be multi-faceted and diverse. For an extremely wealthy guy, the adulation, feeling of power, the ego trip of having millions of people hanging on your every word as though it's coming straight from God may be enticing enough that they would pay to get it...but instead can get it and have the added benefit of collecting a nice six-figure "stipend" every year. For lifelong employees of the church in one form or another (such as Packer, Monson, Hinckley, etc.) it's all gravy all the way up to the top, both financially and in terms of status.

@sheliabryant3997 27 дней назад

@@TEAM__POSEID0N X 200 BILLION. And that is not envy or anything like; it's the kind of outrage to which the smallest sense of decency would flash and self-launch toward perdition.

@shaylynjohnson25 Месяц назад

I wonder if these stipends are then tithed just as our income would be?! On my mission the stipend we received to cover expenses was specifically told NOT to pay tithing on… so my guess is it’s the same for the leaders and mission presidents… tax free, tithing free money… so corrupt!

@amanda-lynn Месяц назад

Meanwhile they have members rationing food and medicine, and drowning in medical debt being told to pray more and pay their tithing and they will be blessed in the afterlife... knowing full well they have enough money to alleviate the suffering of the members who have provided them with their "stipend".

@thelastgoonie6555 Месяц назад

It's their CHILDREN and posterity who rake in the benefits. In addition to the free education, they have unlimited BUSINESS NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES among the wealthiest members of the church--it's no little thing to sell access to GA family. Their "believing" family do VERY well.

@tawnyachristensen7310 Месяц назад

Thanks for shining a light Nemo.

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Always!

@GadiantonsRobber Месяц назад

The church also gives them the house to live in, so having a Gardner and house keeper is in the church’s interest

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Gardner I get because of upkeeping the church owned property. House keeper/ cook, feels a bit colonial tea plantation to me. Especially as the wife is described in the handbook as being responsible for the cooking etc and care of the children. Many women do this without domestic help, so it’s definitely a perk.

@williammueller6639 Месяц назад

It's good to be the King...

@kyrroti Месяц назад

The mission president reimbursement is surprising. Especially when you previously shared how this benefits several of President Nelson’s kids.

@GODISMYSTERIOUS Месяц назад

God and Jesus are my only two leaders on earth while I am alive.

@GODISMYSTERIOUS Месяц назад

Well, I take back my words. I do have a few ‘leaders’ in my ordinary life such as my bosses, my tour leaders on tours and so forth.

@kentthalman4459 Месяц назад

No doubt these pharisees are well compensated.

@user-rt9th4lz7z Месяц назад

When they say "it's not about sex," it's about sex.

@hobgoblin1976 Месяц назад

One has to remember that they reside in the USA, where enjoying free VIP healthcare for life is a colossal bonus. The top 15 and they families live perpetually under a financial shelter very few will ever enjoy.

@elliek5350 Месяц назад

Oh my ....I had no idea mission presidents get so much financial support...I thought they also need to cover their own expenses. Especially that many of them are wealthy... $100k stypend?that's a good salary even in the US. Such hypocrisy.

@phillipcook3430 Месяц назад

$100k isn’t much in the US especially if you live in a coastal city.

@elliek5350 Месяц назад

@@phillipcook3430 too bad that's it's not much considering that the majority of Americans don't make close to that...

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

@@phillipcook3430 It's actually a lot, if you're housing is also covered separately, along with food, transportation and other routine expenses.

@Jsppydays Месяц назад

Yep. Absolute correct. Paid clergy.

@jennyelsie Месяц назад

Mission President's unmarried kids (under age 26) get their Bachelor (or less) college tuition paid for?! They get housekeeper for under 20 hours a week?! They get family gifts paid for?! What the hell.

@4bibimimi Месяц назад

I've heard it said that Mormonism is a church dabbles in business. It's more accurately a business that dabbles in religion. What other business takes 10% of their entire Workforce's income for the good of the business? Bear in mind, many of these people are insanely wealthy already (the Romney family) the Church is just sitting on it! Many people are suing the Church for their previous contributions.

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@4bibimimi quiet clueless.

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

It's a business masquerading as a religion. Always has been.

@WatchingwaitingG2D Месяц назад

@TEAM__POSEID0N oh look, the cowardly liars are back. Time is coming to settle with your nonsense. Open your mouth again and find out. Otherwise, disappear.

@tamicall6235 Месяц назад

@nemothemormon my husband made the comment that the use of private jets in some cases is more cost-efficient than flying people around on regular airlines. He speaks from experience as his company has a corporate jet in which he has flown several times. Also, when I did a Google search asking if the Church owns a private jet, the results came back that it does not. However, John Huntsman gives use of his private jets.not trying to be an apologist, but just pointing out that we would need evidence that tithing money is being spent on those flights. Benefits and perks for mission presidents though? Egregious!

@NEMOTHEMORMON Месяц назад

Great point, that’s why I didn’t come down to strongly on it and threw the question out.

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Usually, organizations will charter "private jet" trips on an as-needed/per-trip basis. You're right that it can be as economical as commercial...if you're comparing the cost of first-class or business-class tickets for all members of the group to the cost of the PJ flight for the group. The main charge is computed on flight time. (It would not usually be cost competitive with economy class tickets). Of course tithing money is used for everything. I know the PR spin is that when tithing money is invested and profits are earned, those profits and everything downstream from that are "not tithing". That's nonsense. When people pay tithing money to the Church, ALL of the investment potential of that money is also given to the Church. The Church deceptively applies misleading labels to make people think that there is a significant stream of income that was not originally derived from tithing.

@sheliabryant3997 27 дней назад

@@TEAM__POSEID0N 🌈🌈🌈. LAST SENTENCE WORTH EVERY PENNY IN E P A. [Which is not to say you'd ever receive it. But, ...]

@brentwooden7995 Месяц назад

A 120,000 Dollars a year, Houses,and automobile the very best automobiles.And NO PAY MINISTERS. They are Liars

@mslaerik66 Месяц назад

When I was a missionary We All had a copy of "Mormon Doctrine " By Bruce R McConkie He must have sold millions of them

@giuliom3564 Месяц назад

But Mormon doctrine wasn't an official church book

@mslaerik66 Месяц назад

@@giuliom3564 why did they sell it at Deseret Books to all the missionaries then ?😅

@pabloareas2258 Месяц назад

And he actually confessed before he passed away that he was afraid because he didn’t know where he was going after he died? And someone asked him you are an apostle why are you afraid? And his answer was because the church and us the leaders we haven’t been honest with the people of the church. Enough said. He was probably now afraid to go to hell for stealing money and lying

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

@@giuliom3564 Well, at some point, if you really believe that these guys are "prophets, seers and revelators" (as advertised) and have "special inspiration and discernment" (as advertised)...you can't honestly play this game of pretending that they have no responsibility for things published by a church-owned publisher, written by one of the "Apostles" and quoted extensively throughout the church in meetings for decades. "Oh, they didn't officially declare it to be an official church book, so if anyone believed it it's not the leaders' fault, even though they knew everything about it for decades and never said anything to discourage people from trusting it as a reliable guide concerning doctrine."

@sheliabryant3997 27 дней назад

@@TEAM__POSEID0N And members are heavily URGED to study, read, report, discuss, .... I e., BUY the ya-ya "books". Every one of them. ASAP I watch them study my big old bookshelves for a LONG time, and somehow when they see me SEEING THEM and that they are about to pop to question why there is not even a BOM in my entire house, they don't dare.

@tomm7505 28 дней назад

Knowing all of these things, why would anyone stay in this "church" and worse, pay tithings to it? It boggles the mind.

@cynthiaejiogu8442 Месяц назад

Hi from Sacramento 2 miles from the temple!

@davidjanbaz7728 Месяц назад

I took the tour in that temple and prayed over some of the chairs in the Celestial kingdom room : hopefully some people will wake up and realize that temple isn't what the Temple of God is: as WE authentic Christians R the temples of the Holy Spirit (Spirit of YHWH) .

@giuliom3564 Месяц назад

@@davidjanbaz7728Temple is a word with different meanings. Also in the Bible there are buildings who are very temples.