The Philosophy of BioShock - Wisecrack Edition 

B2 is the best gameplay wise, it's not clunky like 1 and not as simplistic as 3

Bioshock 2 was a really fun game. It polished the gameplay of one and had a sort of analysis on an ideology. It's just that analysis is put secondary in favor of a more character driven story, of the big daddy wishing to rescue his little sister

Let's lynch the jackass who dis Delta like that.

Right? Rise up, Delta.

it's very good, just not as good as BS1.

BioShock 2 made me experience the greatest emotional bond I have ever experienced with a video game

Bioshock 1- Objectivism, Questions about Capitalism and the free market. What is choice? Has a commentary on video games. Bioshock 2- What did we do the first time? Ok how about communism now?

+Bionic Tang contrast?

***** No, Bioshock infinite did a nice contrast, I loved 2, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't a worthy sequel.

Not that deep. Aristotle basically said the same thing thousands of years ago.

It's also fairly poorly written shlock.

+John Smith if 2 is poorly written, that makes BioShock one a god of a game.

Ender Barba A. Bioshock is one god of a game. B. Bioshock 2 lacks any of the social clout or passion for narrative in games a an art form. It's still fun but ultimately it's pointless.

John Smith OK pointless makes sense, it is fun. I just don't think its poorly written; its just an experiment that came up off target. I'm 50\50 on the art idea. I thinks it's romantic, as in theatricality, how your story happens twice with Meltzer. But only the ending(s) I would call bad. Obviously we all get the grasp of opinions.

It's still a hell of a lot better than Infinite.

lol

***** Yeah I think so...You might have to jog my memory though

***** Wasn't that just the main ending after the many lighthouses/multiverse scene? If not then I can't remember I'll have to RU-vid it

It messed me up for good and turned me into "Active nihilist / solipsist / we-live-in-a-matrix-type-of-guy / quantum reality junkie"

Burial at sea part 2 messed me up even more

erttheking me too.

I teared up so much at the end of 2

Who wouldnt he was the ultimate weapon that Ryan himself planned on. He and elenor represent both the sins of Raptures brightest as the tried to play god and ruined Rapture and themselves while also a symbol of hope that no one had for years saw in Rapture since the Civil war of Rapture

Who doesn't like our favorite big daddy?

He's actually my favorite protagonist of the trilogy haha

At the very least, it doesn't have a decent PC port. That alone ruins it for me, since i don't have a console(yet). I've seen alot of reviews saying things like its graphics are recycled, its gameplay isn't as good, and it's overall like that part in the first bioshock noone liked.

skifli878 All valid points, hard to argue against any of that, guess i only liked it just because i wanted more of the same, and i got what i wanted. Plus playing as a Big Daddy was really cool.

I've just finished both bioshock and bioshock 2 and can 100% say for sure I prefer 2. Yea the plot is maybe less pretentious and less ideological, however that's countered by how emptional it is, more precisely; sad. I honestly cried at the ending. the levels are barely smaller than bioshock, but it's more direct and it felt more "straight forward" story wise (in the way I felt involved, instead of taking care of chores like we actually were in 1 for Atlas) however the gameplay is MIIILES better, you can duo hand plasmids and weapons, switch between ammo types MUCH faster and more things that are just more convenient. and finally, the most important thing..... the little sister don't look like hideous alien babies

I like it the most. Especially how Eleanor looked up to you- she was the reason I kept going on in the game. I did not want her mommy to harm and spoil her; she should rather choose by herself. And she's such a kind character…uugh my feels

+Lyriel Luna Well, could be kind, unless your a monster. One of my favorite things about 2, I believe it handles multiple endings the best of any game I've played, what's even worse than seeing just you become a monster (Bioshock 1) is realizing you turned the girl who looked up to you into a monster, makes it even worse. Honestly, Bioshock 1's 2 endings felt pointless, I believe they even said they didn't want one at first, seemed forced in and really didn't do too much for the plot.

The Game Theorists​​ you missed something in your fnaf theory........you missed the fact that the phantom animatronics are ghosts, hence the name "phantoms" that means phantom bb and mangle are also ghosts which means there are two murders we didn't see...also you should do a fnaf reality check to see how close the animtronics compare to real animatronics it would be interesting

The Game Theorists I was hoping you guys would notice maybe the resemblance the coin flipping always hitting heads has to the coin flipping in the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead and how it also fiddles with the idea of free will as well. It is really interesting

Philly Cheese but i love fnaf

Bioshock is awesome!! My all time favorite game series!

Not to mess with your statement or anything but I have gotten the coin to hit tails before.

some problems. 1 the city was a massive success that created tons of new technology 2 ken levine is a anti capitalist/leftist/possibly communist or at the very least is communist sympathetic 3 its a fictional setting. these ideas were already tried, they led to the gilded age in late 1800s america which was one of the most prosperous times in history of humanity. the entire human race was very successful in this period of time. are these ideas ideal, no, maybe not. they would have to be studied, and we would have to discuss them. but nevertheless, this is nothing more than a "let me create a bad situation as an argument against something" type polemic. I can take any system or ideology and simply set it in a dystopia. It would take me 5 seconds - after all I am the writer.

@@phillip8596 the gilded age was a time of huge prosperity, but largely for the upper classes. for the rest of the folk it was a time of union busting, awful workers rights, and huge exploitation of the working classes. This is paralleled across the bioshock games, both as rapture ends up in the same system through a lack of regulation, or as Columbia directly comes from that exact system. Fink and his company are the epitamy of a gilded age industrialist and business, and Booker is a former member of the Pinkertons, the largest gilded age union busting force.

@@someguy8375 Define prosperity, 1800s is when a lot of our modern technology was created. Modern medicine was created during this time, airplanes, electricity. Some wealth trickles downwards. If wealth has to start life as being the toys of the wealthy, then so be it. What would you rather have, inequality for a few decades and then widespread access to a technology, or no technology at all?

@@phillip8596by prosperity I meant material things, such as food, water, shelter, clothing, commodities, etc. But to touch on the technological aspect, the technological progress of the time was tenuously linked to the lack of regulation at best, and was largely to do with a continuation of technological progress that predated the gilded age and continued long afterward, see the invention of the dynamo, matches, and the microphone, which all took place in the early 1800s, prior to the gilded age, and the invention of the jet engine, major advances in particle and nuclear physics, and most of the us electrical grid, all achieved in the interwar, ww2, and post ww2 periods. Also, decades of observation of the us starting with Reagan has shown that trickle down economics doesn't work and that policies set in place to facilitate it just result in richer rich and poorer poor

@@someguy8375 Yes, then we are using the same term, and I would very much say that 1800s was a period of time when everybody had access to vast material prosperity, much greater than any generation before them. Even the poor even the working class. " But to touch on the technological aspect, the technological progress of the time was tenuously linked to the lack of regulation at best," I disagree, the technological progress of the time was linked to deregulation yes, because over-regulation is always a negative factor, but, the primary reason why there was a boom in innovation in 1800s was entirely due to a culture of innovation and innovators who sought to create a new technology, and then profit off of it. Tesla was nothing more than a budding inventor, who sought to patent his work and become rich in the process. If you create incentives for people like that, via the patent process, they will certainly begin spending time and brainpower on creating new ideas. Plus the printing press revolution, the fact that you finally could start making money from your writings. Public intellectuals, despite the fact that a lot of them lean left, are highly capitalist. They basically earn revenue from their own words, in a completely capitalist way, marketing themselves, and selling their appearances and books. "and the invention of the jet engine, major advances in particle and nuclear physics, and most of the us electrical grid, all achieved in the interwar, ww2, and post ww2 periods. " I would argue all of those inventions are actually quite unremarkable and were the result of design bureaus which are a poor substitute for the individual inventor. In a design bureau, you have a guaranteed job, and no real personal reward mechanic for a great new idea. Jobs in a lot of respects are terrible incentive wise. Once you have the job, you are safe, so you have no negative incentives to slacking...but if you outdo yourself, what is the most you'll get. A 10% bonus that is still subject to the whims of your manager? And you are still behold to your management? Design bureaus of world war eras were lacking and highly inefficient and stagnant. We cannot rely on them to generate innovation reliably. "Also, decades of observation of the us starting with Reagan has shown that trickle down economics doesn't work and that policies set in place to facilitate it just result in richer rich and poorer poor" This is an empirical argument (crude "we saw what happened and what happened was bad" type argument) and it's incorrect and there are good reasons for why it's incorrect. Firstly, Raegan presided over the quickest turnaround of the American economy. I have no idea where you people get this idea that Raegan was a bad or evil president. Raegan did a complete 180 on the US economy, and took it from the depths of 1970s stagflation and deadlock of 1970s union politics that almost killed the US economy, and brought back a significant amount of prosperity. Raegan is not a miracle worker, so American manufacturing still died in US due to unions that kept demanding higher and higher wages and caused more and more disruption and strikes and protests, which is why American manufacturing went to Mexico and latin america, where of course the quality suffered and jobs were lost, and if it didn't, then it got replaced by Asian manufacturing, companies like Toyota Honda etc. Japanese electronics manuacturers became prominent in this period. Sony became a household name in 1980s. So the following are true: A raegan was a great president domestically and economically and lead a complete turnaround of the US economy from the left wing trash economy created by 1970s union politics. B trickle down economics are not necessarily an aspect of Raegan's policy or were implemented by Raegan, they exist by themselves unto themselves. C trickle down economics work financially and technologically, you need rich people with lots of disposable income to buy risky costly new technology, we would not have Flat screen TVs or Asian audio technology, from Hi Fi to mp3 to walkmen if we did not have trickle down economics and rich people to buy the first set of generations of products. Fast cars, luxury cars, also bought by the rich. First washing machines were marketed to the rich or affluent. D trickle down economics allows rich people to actually exist, which means, they can invest and risk their money in various businesses. Where do businesses come from. Do they all come from a bank? Do you think this bank doesn't ask for collateral first? A lot of businesses come from rich people. We need rich people so we can keep creating new businesses. Without the rich, you don't really have a rich and diverse business environment.

Yes indeed. We're lucky to have Bioshock 1 and 2 ..not so sure about 3 though :-p

@@RetroMarkyRM Infinite was great though.

@@-sanju- It's a good game...just not Bioshock (for me). It lacks the story and complexities but a good FPS. I think it should have been not part of the franchise.

@@-sanju- Absolutely. All three are great games with their own pros and cons. And all good, it's just a question of favourites. I didn't like two at first but it grew on me and Infinite I will play again and perhaps it will seduce me :)

The only thing for sure is that Bioshock 1 was great

The audio diary in the first game that had Jack kill a puppy made me stop playing the game for a few weeks.

really?!?!?!

+Cannibal_dong95 Christ. that was in burial at sea

maybe you woke up? getting fucked up is way more pleasant than getting your ass up from deep sleep...

+isengrim99 what do you mean

+Drellistenstomusic That's what I thought to but think of it like this, you may have good intentions and try to do good things but what if that good choice turns out bad for everyone. You made your choice but you never had power to determine it's effects on the world.

Yeah, i kinda agree with you both. Maybe like this: yes, a man have the free will to choose and this actions will define him. Period. However, at some point we are all "slaves" and we obey some rules and do things we wouldnt choose to do, but we do cause we are "obligated" to do. We dont have a "choice". We have to study, work, maybe in a bad job, eat bad food, or good food. We are always slaves of something. So in the right circunstances, its romantic to say that our actions defines us. But what about when we dont have a choice? How can one judge another by killing someone, if its in self defense? How can one judge another for "choosing to be in a stupid job, if he did everything he could to get a better one but they just didnt give it to him? In conclusion, in order to surive, we will always accept to "obey" someone at some point to get through the next level. But does this "obligated" actions really defines us? The question is, were they REALLY the only choice? Or you were nust not good enough to see another?

+Evaquiel Choice only exists accompanied by outcomes. You can't have free will without consequences. The "free" aspect of "free will" refers to the ability to make decisions. It doesn't refer to being "free" from consequences or responsibilities.

Here's my theory."We make choices but in the end,our choices makes us" by taking what you suggest and the video suggest,I reckon that what that quote really is trying to say is that,after we have made that choice,the outcome of making that choice manipulates or controls how we are going to make our next choices in life.Take note that a certain outcome could only be made possible by comitting on a certain choice.Thus,it has this vicious cycle in which our previous choices determines how we are going to make our choices in the future and so on.Choice made=Outcome,therfore Outcome=Choice that we made.So that choice that we had chosen in the past ultimately make us,rather than we making the choices as had we not made choices in the past,we wouldnt have been making choices now.Couldn't really get this out of my brain in proper wording so I hope you have some idea on what I am trying to suggestt.

+Drellistenstomusic I wasn't even going that deep. I simply thought that was the game's way of saying, "You're only going to get so much Adam, and then you are going to have to fight whatever is at the end of the game. So don't go crazy at the vending machines." Since there is no "buy back" mechanic for plasmids, every choice you make sort of determines what the final fight will be like before you even get there.

Wisecrack Wait why was the Second Bioshock skipped?

Wisecrack hello, Matpat sent me through the dimensional rift! and nice, i like the video i will see what you have more ^^

Wisecrack Matpat sent me through the dimensional rift!

Wisecrack Ayn Rand did behave in self-interest to the point of violating Kant's basic rule of not treating others as a means... She cheated on her husband and justified is as acting in her own self-interest. So she very well may approve of the some of Andrew's evils.

conan263 The butthurt is strong in this one.

The irony in Bioshock 2 is to get the best ending you have to become a greater communist than the antagonist.

Bioshock 2 doesn't have a good pc port, so idk too much about it, but I've heard that it isn't as free-roam as the other two.

skifli878 More free roam than infinite... Anyway, it's a fine port, dx10 is a bit funky with it, but turn that off and it's running perfectly.

Bioshock 2 demonstrates why Ayn Rand was against altruism. Sofia Lamb wanted to turn her daughter on a perfect altruist being. But ironically, that made her daughter miserable. She sacrificed her daughter's life to the benefit of other's. Altruism, in Rand's words, turns the human being into a sacrificial animal.

It had exactly zero commentary on "communism". _Bioshock 2_ was a botched and shoddy attempt at presenting some vague form of extreme collectivism and religious zeal using the consequentialist ethics of a fictional sociologist. Nothing in the game remotely resembled anything socialism or communism. If anything, _Bioshock 2_ is better interpreted even as a continuation of the first game, namely that the power vacuum that "anarcho-"capitalism inevitably causes will tend toward extreme forms of pseudo-collectivist authoritarianism and that capitalism in general tends people toward embracing religion as the opium of the masses to distract from the alienation and suffering that capitalism causes. It's clear that if the second game was meant to be a commentary on communism, like you said, then the developers and writers of the game understand literally nothing about communism or radical leftist ideas in general. Unfortunately, neither does the majority of the general populace, so the game only serves to reinforce that ignorance.

+hermanessences Yeah, Game Theorist is the dumbed down version that loses the depth of the actual game version.

Correction: Andrew Ryan said "A man chooses..."

+Levi Taylor Exactly what I wanted to say; I think he misunderstood that sentence a little.

You’re right. But, I’m curious about one thing. You’re free to choose but can you be free from what you had chosen?

Wisecrack If this becomes a thing, I would really love to see the Philosophy of Deus Ex (2000).

Wisecrack please do one that incorporates Iwata somehow next :)

Wisecrack Please do an episode about Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty! It's deeply philosophical, it deals with player-protagonist relationship and many other interesting themes. In my opinion it's plot is a true postmodern masterpiece. Plus, it kinda predicted the future of the internet ;) ( in 2001, by the way).

Wisecrack That you simplified Rand's corporate "let the weak and stupid be fooled and die" philosophy to "she doesn't believe in god" was really annoying, I mean god damn the level of annoying.

Wisecrack Liked this episode, and as others have said would be interested in a second bioshock philosophy discussion. There are already a ton of videos that talk about video games, so I hope you can keep up the innovative interestingness (wow that apparently is a word. I meant it as a joke).

Shockwave1985 Spec Ops: The Line. Most underrated game plot ever. Just because it starts as a generic shooter. But how it ends... man, it was the best game I've ever played.

Shockwave1985 This is a Bioshock video.

I get the philosophical analysis of it, but when it comes to the gameplay mechanic, there are clearly better games out there that put actual choice into the player's hands. I forgot which ending it was but there is one in the parable where you are locked in a machine approaching your impending doom and a female narrator says something a long the lines of the only way to save Stanley is to quit the game.

Henry Rasia I liked that game too, it is a psychological war drama along the lines of Heart of Darkness, which the story in the game was inspired by. The ending of who you kill in the end though are still restricting to the possible endings of the game. Just my opinion though, still, agree with you, great story and twist.

Shockwave1985 Or Spec Ops The Line

I just realised you can't do it in he first one (and for no reason).

@@bazookaboss332 Because the Big Daddy is stronger and more capable of handling two weapons at once compared to Jack, a mere human

Romeo Cote These two games are my favourite games to be clear first off, so I do have a little bit of bias. In regards to the exploration of free will and the idea of the game not forcing you to choose, but instead you do, Spec Ops: The Line is far superior. However, Bioshock includes so many other elements including the idea of God, biting satire of American culture and an amazing display of empathy. The endings of the two games are curiously similar and for some reason I count them as one game, each on extreme ends of the optimistic-pessimistic scale. Still, Spec Ops: The Line fell flat in some areas (I say this with a grudging heart), the scathing satire was censored to appeal to a greater audience and the audience empathy was never established, arguably making the point driven more home as it was explained what the audience was doing but it is a flaw nonetheless. Despite this, both are some of the greatest games ever made and are a standard for narratives in gaming.

Spec ops the line had a masterful 3rd or final act, bio shock infinite ending was pretty pointless and didn't invoke any emotional feelings.

Denzel, Infinite didn't provoke any emotions? Really? I feel like people with story telling in general tend to think that unless a story is sad/heart-wrenching, it's not emotional. That's bullshit. Infinite provoked plenty of emotions (for me, at least). There's plenty of awe (entering Colombia) and love (developing a bond with Liz) and shock (Daisy threatening Fink's son, Booker's brutal murder of Comstock, Booker being Comstock, ect) as well as a variety of other emotions. Sadness isn't the only thing on the spectrum.

Denzel Romero I strongly disagree with that. Bioshock Infinite put me in a very vulnerable place. I was emotionally attached to both the characters, and what they represented for me. I was pretty shaken by the concept that no matter how hard they (and I) had worked, there was no conceivable scenario where Booker and Elizabeth have a happy ending. Considering their bond, it's quite sad to me.

According to the multiple universe theory there would be a "happy" ending. Idk I thought the game was plain dumb .

EcHoGamingTeAmeGT Woo!

Wisecrack i also subbed because of matpat and to stay up to date on 8bit philosophy

Me too

Isaac Clarke hey Isaac you kill any necromorphs lately

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Wow, very good explanation sir/madam! 👍

This guy routinely misrepresents ideas like American Exceptionalism, laissez faire capitalism, neoliberalism, you name it. If I'm being charitable, I'd say he was being carried away by his biases and its unintentional, but it certainly does look like he's pushing an agenda.

Dude, you kinda missed it on the "American Exceptionalism doesn't exist in 19th century" part. "American Exceptionalism" does exist back then and maybe even earlier, just not under that name. Read more on it and you will be surprised how far back that idea goes.

xFirebird925x As far as I know from my own reading, only Quakers had what you would call a personal relationship with god that far back. Every other form of Protestant religion just treated you like a tooth in the gear, completely replaceable and irrelevant to god. And the personal relationship is the central thesis to American Exceptionalism, writ large, substituting the nation for the individual. If they called it something else, it was because it was something else, because even religious people didn't believe god was on their side, in the same way that people did in the 20th century and do today.

this was really great

Jack Court Common side effects of Dimensional Rifts include subscribing, binge-watching, and commenting.

Wisecrack Bravo, Wisecrack. Wisecracking wisecracks. You wise cracks.

Wisecrack That was a dimensional rift? I thought I was going through a worm hole made by actual worms. No wonder the transportation didn't feel right.

DanelerH i think im going 2 hurl after jumping though that portal

+Jack Court I just feel very happy X howls in joy X

+Pathfinder Savant I double dare you !

haha this

I would favorite that before the video ad ends.

The Philosophy of Evangelion is as follows: It's okay to make a popular story only to fuck it up at the end. The end.

Get in the mecha Jared!

MultiSven17 I think not even Kojima can

The Monster Grinder Same here!

Tristan Marshall same :D

Carlos Paulo me 4th

The Monster Grinder me to

Me 6th

Almost as good as, but not as good

Nathan Gordon IT WAS AS GOOD AS THE REST TF OUTTA HERE DOOD

It was better than infinite, but only because that game was a trashfire

@@mr.funnyman9765 ur an idiot lol

Yes!

Dunno i loved it as much as the first and infinite

Boring writing I guess, unlike the other 2 games' twists.

It doesn't have twists that make smug hipsters feel smart about themselves.

It says thing Wisecrack doesn't wanna hear

***** Yes it often is. In addition to this, when somebody outright denies conversing with other people on a topic, it often strengthens the beliefs of that other group. Far from having positive effects, the strategy often has negative impacts for whoever uses it.

Lint I think she is a complete douchebag, and that her thoughts cannot apply to a functioning world with more than one being in it capable of making choices. That being said, I do not, and cannot, deny her thoughts as it is impossible to deny someone's thoughts, you cannot decide what other people think.

***** One could say the same for any philosophy. Such as the philosophy of Karl Marx.

chiefl84 Yes ideally nobody should be invalidated to the extent that their thoughts are outright denied from debate, and this occurs on all sides of the political (or any other) spectrum. And really, the stigmatised and absolute denial of anything "Marxist" is probably more damaging than with Ayn Rand, the issue cuts both ways.

chiefl84 You must be confusing what Locke said. Locke said that they did not deny that Rand had those thoughts, they just said why her thoughts don't work. (Or at least why Andrew Ryan's version of her thoughts don't work)

Hey i see you in venturiantales comment sections

Andreas B Awesome! Portals are great, right?

Wisecrack Teleported here. Portal is too crowded with Theorists and random people jumping through other portals.

Oh my fucking god, what the fuck man. The portal closed when I was halfway through it and I'm only half a person now. What the fuckkkk.

BigDippas man,that sucks.get better soon

zack nichol Glad you enjoyed, Zack! Welcome to Wisecrack!

Wisecrack Me too!

zack nichol their literature stuff is amazing.. (even a a non american who has like no entry point for all this gangsta/ghetto-culture stuff thats utilized)

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I guarantee you that the vast majority of people won't make that connection. Of the ones that do, maybe a tenth of them actually vote.

xenoblad That's the problem in and of itself, alot of people who actually understand that voting isn't democratic simply won't waste their time on it. It's choosing between lesser evils, what we need is (a western) reformation of democracy

TheKersey475 Except Rand had what could be considered Libertarian views, which have a combination of Right-wing and Left-wing ideologies. However, I'd say Bioshock 1 had more Left-wing ideas whereas Infinite had more Right-wing ideas.

MSOGameShow I view it as one world under fiscal conservatism with normal centrist social policies and one world under social conservatism with normal centrist economic policies IMO.

TheKersey475 Well, no, because in Infinite the people of Columbia deride Lincoln and praise John Wilkes Booth as a hero. And since Lincoln was the first and archetypical Republican that pretty much makes the citizens of Columbia not Republican. If anything they take more after the imperialist and racist Andrew Jackson (who was a Democrat, by the way. The South was a Democratic stronghold in the slavery days of yore, too). And also, not all Republicans appreciate Objectivism for its atheistic, anti-statist approach. The Reagan loving neo-cons perhaps, but even they just cheery pick Objectivism for what they like and don't like. So no, neither of these games have anything to do with the Republican party, that's just strawmaning you're doing there.

I got the same feeling. Especially the way the classes were segregated. That was much more common and pronounced in the Mormon communities than anywhere else. All the religious and patriotic symbols were just an exaggerated and bastardized version of reality.

@@manueltheplebb when you do research you provide Citations But if you steal from someone without attribution that's copyright violation

@@AliFareedMC care to elaborate?

PheseantNetsuke what about it

chilldude22 ken levine , the main force behind the bioshock series has admaited countless times that the game had massive inspiration from it. Personally, I've never played the game but from what I gather your stuck in space and your trying to find a way out, so surely levine could of got inspiration to turn bioshock not just into a game but a masterpiece that makes us argue and think about many possibilities that the game it self holds. In theory, maybe theres more to system shock [2] than what meets the eye, but it is a hell of a guess, oh well.

kiki bubbles I know that bioshock is partly inspired by system shock 2, but what does the game have to do with the video

to be honest, nothing really but like i say there might be something bigger behind it but it is a complete guess

PheseantNetsuke You're given the illusion of choice in the form of the Many offering coexistence with the human race. Instead you're working for SHODAN against your will, who also gives you an illusive offer of "real alliance". You shoot her later, even if you chose not to use a gun-based class.

+Joseph Pruitt Welcome!

+Joseph Pruitt same i feel sick

+nathan k "I hate portals" -Geralt of Rivia

What's your profile picture from? Witcher?

Bioshock 2 does get far too much hate. I must admit, even though I loved the series I did delay playing 2 for quite a while. The problem people find with it, which, as you can see by looking through the comments, is that it doesn't play too much to the topics discussed in this video: the illusions of choice. However, as much of an oddball is, it still is good story wise, as much of an outlier it is in the series. Plus, the gameplay of 2 was much better than one, due to dual wielding, and some general changes. But yeah, long story short, definitely not a bad game.

VEROTIKAA glad it helped! :)

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SAME BRO

Ivan Black You even got the timing right. WELL DONE ;)

Ivan Black same

Ivan Black I think i had my gende reversed or i transformed into a half-t-rex/ half-man with robot arms. Damn you MATPAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:((((((((((((((((((

Because it wasn't original.

Folopolis and?

It doesn't make smug jackasses feel smart.

+Ethan Nunofyourbeezewax

Ethan Taylor fuck the family Delta lives matter

Bakorafanboy13 well we need to legalise all drugs and inform the people about sideeffects than to be a truely free nation, I mean maybe it would even be better than keeping them illegal.

David Greene lmao this is what pinkos believe

You Idiot, the capitalists wouldn't want that. It will infringe on their profits. Corporations by its nature love profits, and expansion. Similar to how Big Oil companies funding false studies that show global warming is not happening.

ah yes, he just wasn’t libertarian enough. fucking what.

@@AqierDesigns thanks

Same

He didnt really play the games in depth if he didnt like delta.

Sam we

It was more about collectivism, not socialism lmao

@@Starman256 Socialism is a structure. Collectivism is a principle.

@@TrueUnderDawgGaming yeah, good point. Bioshock 2 still wasnt about Socialism, tho.

Ideologies are never soild this example Proves it. I am in favor of private capital and letting people own their labor. But understand the importance of taxes on certain area's.

They took their money back.

Spoilers below. Dragon Age Origins philosophy revolves around the idea of who is the real monster and danger to Thedas. The genocidal monsters that endanger all life as we know it, or the important influential and powerful people who are supposed to be taking care of the innocent and protecting the people who they abuse. Throughout the game you the player learn of this great evil that is coming to destroy all life no matter it's race, gender, or belief. Even though this great threat is looming over the fictional kingdom, certain individuals perfer to take advantage of the situation and exploite it for their own benefit. Examples: Arl Howe murdering and stealing the lands of the Cousland family while their army was away to fight the Darkspawn. Prince Bhelan killing off one of his brother and blaming the other for the crime just to eliminating both of them from the line of dwarven succession. Bronca murdering her whole entire family and turning one of the people who loved her into a horrible broadmother all to aquire long forgotten knowledge. Mage Uthred who gathers an army of blood mage by convincing his young impressionable students to converse with demons. The son of the arl of denerim who harms the elven communities through racism, kidnapping of women, and murdering elf males instead of doing his duty and helping the suffering elfs. The elf chief (forgot his name) of the dalish elven tribals who created a werewolf plague to punish the people whose only crime was being the descendants of people who wronged the elf chief a couple of hundred years back. Loghian a national hero of the kingdom who betrayed the king, the Grey wardens (people whose sole job in life is to stop the genocidal monsters) who all died by the Darkspawn, just because Loghian wanted to seize power for himself and use it to squable with a neighboring country that had done some horrible things to Loghians family. Now you as the player, who have become a grey warden, a powerful individual, get the choice of doing your duty as a hero by protecting the people or doing whatever you want even if it means harming others. The best example of this is when you meet the son of Arl Redcliff, a boy who unknowingly allowed himself to be possessed by a demon just so he can save his father's life. You as the player can either kill the child which is a really bad thing to do but allows you to progress a lot quicker through the story, or you can travel to a far-off place to gather mages to help battle the demon and kick it out of the child's body. That is just one of the many many decisions that you can do that allows you to differentiate yourself from those that are corrupted literally or metaphorically versus the person who stays true to the Grey Warden Motto of protecting and serving th innocent. As for the sequels they're a little less interesting. Dragon Age 2 is whether you want to live in a safe world provided by a fascist order AKA Templar VS the right to live in a chaotic uncertainty that freedom offers. Unfortunately this game failed horribly at exploring this moral philosophy. Dragon Age Inquisition, basically things go bad over time, there is no god, just people who did good things and get worshiped. Also a lot of political shoehorning. I really hated this game.