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The Pirastro John Patitucci Combination: G/D Oliv and A/E Evah Pirazzi - Double Bass Strings

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Pirastro's Oliv bass strings are fantastic for jazz on G and D. But the lower strings are not ideal for pizz players. A great option for a mixed set are Evah Pirazzi on A and D. This set is endorsed by the amazing John Patitucci. I am not sure weather John uses the Mittel or the Weich version. But in my opinion, the tension of the Weichs matches better with the Olivs. Listen for yourselves, this is a great combination for a set that is punchy but also gives you the possibility to play melodically.
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@nicolaschelly 12 часов назад

great playing Hervé !

@darkocuk 2 месяца назад

Thank you soo much for all your videos. You saved me a lot of time researching strings. And.. nicely played!

@ivansultanoff6719 Месяц назад

Yes, good one, l believe in string mix,l have a 5 string hawkes with following mix: g/d -piastro original, a/e d'ddario hybrid, b belkanto, it most even combo l ever had

@HendrikNehls 3 года назад

Klingt super. Wieder ein tolles Video, Hervé. Vielen Dank.

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Danke Hendrik, liebe Grüße nach Berlin!

@ivofechner8039 2 года назад

Super video!

@Kato6996 3 года назад

Super. Danke!

3 года назад

Your videos always help me a lot. Personally, I am very grateful to you for your valuable contributions and opinions and for the great quality of your videos. You are also a wonderful double bass player! Congratulations

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Thank you very much Antonio!

@AlecHewes Год назад

Great video!

@xGABEGABEx 3 года назад

This is exactly the kind of review I needed for this set of strings! Amazing tune at the end too! 🤙🤙

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Very happy to read this, thanks!

@xGABEGABEx 3 года назад

@@stringmatrix I was curious if you needed to make adjustments to your action to compensate for the Olivs?

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

@@xGABEGABEx No, I just used my standard setting. I always have different strings on this bass anyway. But I would say the olivs have a similar tension to the Evah Weichs.

@oliverkarstens 3 года назад

Yeah - super Video Hervé! Hab letztens ein Video von JP gesehen in dem er eine Perpetual G spielt. Natürlich auch mit einem super Sound. Wie wir alle probiert er also wohl auch immer wieder Neues aus. :-)

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Danke Oliver und danke für die Info zu JP! Larry Grenadier hat ja auch in einem Discover Double Bass Interview gesagt, dass er immer wieder wechselt, aber weniger um das Optimum zu finden sondern eher weil jede Saite zu anderen Sachen (spielerisch) inspiriert. Fand ich auch interessant und wahr.

@Shoehornish 3 года назад

The Sonores/Oliv combo is so great and balanced sounding. For a long time I used to match a gut core sonores corax G/D with ten year old Spirocore weichs E/A.

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Yes, the Sonores are the perfect match for a "Pizzicato Oliv Set"! They keep the slightly old school sound also in the low register.

@georgefulton8152 3 года назад

Your righthand technique is insanely smooth, expressive, and efficient. Something for the rest of us to strive for. Oh, and it's the perfect analysis. Every time I'm about to ask, "But what about..." you clear up any confusion in the next breath. I'm so glad I found your channel.

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Oh thank you so much for these words George, I really appreciate this 🙏🙏🙏 I hope I find some time soon for making new videos!

@Oscaraha 3 года назад

Nice, thanks for your great contribution to knowledge around this. I believe John uses mittel evahs btw🤗

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Oh thank you for this information!!

@mark-stefaniw 3 года назад

A good modern sound combo I have on my bass now is passione stark G/D over spiro S42 mittle A/E.

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Interesting, I never tried passione!

@vannave5761 3 года назад

Nice ! I dig your extended formats. Would love to see the full clip of patitucci trial of the two bass though ;-). I prefer the sound of the Sonores for the low strings, more natural. I feel something plasticy in Evah's sound but maybe it's not there in the real sound? Beautiful playing at the end !

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Yes, you are right, the evahs do have a more synthetic sound! The clip with John was not longer, at the time I just wanted to keep a little souvenir of his visit. Thanks for your feedback!

@indragupta4521 3 года назад

I dont know if plasticy is the way to describe evah’s E&A, those particular strings definitly will cut thru, let me say having ‘good amount’ of mid-presence whatsoever. Sonores sounds beautifully really presenting the bass

@DrJohn123 3 года назад

Hallo Hervé, wieder ein sehr schönes Video von Dir!!! Wie empfindest Du denn die Pizazzi Weich im Vergleich zu den Pirazzi Slap? Würden die Slap vielleicht noch besser zu den Olivs passen?Und noch was anderes: Warum spielst Du nicht den ganzen Sonores-Satz? Gefallen Dir D und G nicht so gut? Schöne Grüße, Johannes

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Hi Johannes: Ja, die Pirazzi Slaps sind eigentlich recht nah am Sound der Olivs, aber die haben weniger Spannung. Ich hatte Pirastro schon mal gefragt, ob die nicht mal probieren wollen, die Pirazzi Slaps mit etwas mehr Spannung zu machen, denn das würde nach meiner Einschätzung einen tollen Oliv-Artigen Satz ergeben. Ich hatte vor einiger Zeit ein Video gemacht wo ich Oliv und Pirazzi Slap kombiniere, schlau mal in meiner alten Videos. Sonores: Berechtigte Frage! Die Antwort: Mir war die G-Saite des Wraps Satzes gerissen. Als ich überlegte, wie ich die ersetzen kann, fiel mir die Oliv ein. Aber es wäre komisch gewesen, die D-Saite als einzige ohne metallische Umwindung zu haben. Also beschloss ich auch die D-Saite zu ersetzen und war damit noch glücklicher als mit den Wraps G/D. Ich fand vor allem gut alle Saiten mit Metall-Oberfläche zu haben, z.B. zum streichen. Und der Satz kam mir vielseitiger vor.

@timothystift8485 3 года назад

Great demonstration! It's a combination I'm considering for my bass for a while now (I'm now using Evah weich E+A+D and Oliv G) and this video gives me a good idea of the sound I can expect. How Is the tuningstability of the Oliv D? That's the only thing I still worry about a bit

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this in the video... Unfortunately everytime I pick up a bass with Oliv d, it's mostly that string that's most out of tune, sometimes too high sometimes too low. But during a gig, once the bass got used to the weather conditions, the tuning stability is ok!

@mingusdingus3310 3 года назад

@@stringmatrix On my bass the Oliv G and the Oliv D are detuning in a very similar way. After getting them in tune, on the following day both of them are too high. I think a Oliv D will behave like your Oliv G.

@aryaboustani6359 3 года назад

Hi Harve, so would you be able to comment on comparing sustain and melodic quality in upper register between this EP E/A + Olive D/G with Thomastic Spirocore? How about bowing capability comparison? There seem to be a lot of Thomastic Spirocore gravity in the community of bass players for a long time and if this combination of EP & Olive is a good contender I think it is a good idea to do that comparison.

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Hi Arya! Two things briefly (but I should explain this in a video): #1: Spirocores are so popular because they are fantastic strings... for what they can (great clear cutting through timbre, growl, possibility of making an upright sing like a fretless etc...) #2: There is no string that will give you "everything". So if you want some bouncy thump in the attack, you are better off with something else than Spirocore, you will prefer something more "gutty". And the Oliv/Evah combination is a great "in-between" set, that gives you a bit of both worlds. For arco I think the Oliv/Evah set is a little nicer. But I am not a bow specialist (my arco sample in the video is not a very good demonstration).

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

PS : in the upper register, you will have better sustain with Spirocore.

@aryaboustani6359 3 года назад

Thanks a lot Harve for making it clear. 🙂👍🏽

@jimdevlin9045 Год назад

❤

@StevesSpot Год назад

Did you see the video during Covid of interviews with jazz bassists gear where John Patitucci says he is playing Evah orchestra on E, Evah Veichs on A and D, and Pirastro Perpetual on G? Might be more up to date info?

@stringmatrix Год назад

Yes maybe it is more up to date. Many players change their string choice every now and then.

@mingusdingus3310 3 года назад

Hallo Hervé, vielen Dank für das interessante Video. Ich spiele ebenfalls die Patitucci-Kombination, weil es gut klingt, die Oliv-Saiten durch den geringeneren Zug meinen Bass freier zum Klingen bringen (so jedenfalls mein subjektiver Höreindruck) und in der Daumenlage sehr viel bequemer zu spielen sind. Eine Frage, die mit den Saiten nichts zu tun hat: Bei dir - und in letzter Zeit auch bei anderen Kontrabassisten - fallen mir die Griffbrett-Markierungen auf. Sind sie für dich hilfreich? Im Video sieht es ja nicht so aus, als bräuchtest du sie. So was könnte ich mir auch bei mir vorstellen, wenn in einigen Jahren das nächste Griffbrett ansteht, da ich nicht so häufig im oberen Register unterwegs bin und das gerne noch ausbauen möchte. Leider scheinen die Dots mir auch dahingehend vorurteilsbelastet zu sein, dass nur Leute, die es technisch nicht draufhaben, sich so etwas anbringen lassen - und im Übrigen besser E-Bass spielen sollten.

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Danke Mingus 😀! Die dots habe ich nur mit Tipp ex gemacht... Aber ich würde die gerne ordentlich machen lassen. Es ist so: wenn ich "im Fluss" bin, brauche ich die eher nicht. Mir geht es eher darum, dass es manchmal komponierte/arrangierte Passagen gibt, wo es es wichtig ist, die Töne gleich zu treffen statt suchen und evt. zum eigentlichen Ton hin sliden. Was andere sagen soll uns egal sein, jeder Mensch ist anders und findet sich anders zurecht auf dem Griffbrett. Wichtig ist nur das Ergebnis, die Musik, die am Ende raus kommt.

@torstensteinmann2297 3 года назад

@@stringmatrix Genau so halte ich es auch! Ich habe die Markierungen mit weißem Nagellack gemacht, der lässt sich ohne Probleme wieder entfernen... Alles ist erlaubt was einem Sicherheit bietet ;-)

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

@@torstensteinmann2297 ah Gute Idee mit dem Nagellack, danke!

@mingusdingus3310 3 года назад

@@stringmatrix Danke für die Tipps! Ich werde es mal mit TippEx probieren, die verschiedenen Lagellacke in unserem Haushalt haben leider die falsche Farbe 😀. Vielleicht spendiere ich dann meinem nächsten Griffbrett in ein paar Jahren dann professionelle Dots.

@alfieharries Год назад

What's weird to me is how insanely different the evah E is from the A under the bow

@derm75 3 года назад

Did you have to widen the nut to accommodate the olive G?

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

Well all my basses have slightly wider nuts since years because I have been using all sorts of strings on them. And I believe that's not a problem for thinner strings. But if you go from metal strings like Spiro to olive G the difference isn't huge, so maybe it works without modification.

@jazzbrew68 3 месяца назад

I am currently using the Evah Pirazzi Slaps on E-A-D with an Oliv G string. I believe you experimented with a similar setup a few years ago (but with Olivs on D-G). How would you compare that setup to this? I know the Slaps have much lower tension but wondering if the Evah Pirazzi Weichs have more clarity and volume? Thanks for all that you do my friend!

@stringmatrix 3 месяца назад

It depends on what you want to have in the low register. If you want sustain and growl you can take the Evah Weichs. Their sound is brighter than that of the slaps. But as for clarity: in some situations an old school punchy sound gives you more rhythmic clarity than a "singing" sound. As for volume: difficult to say. At the same action height maybe the evahs will seem louder. But when you compensate the low tension of the slaps by putting the action higher, I think they will sound equally loud.

@jazzbrew68 3 месяца назад

@@stringmatrix Thank you so much for this. I will stick with the slaps. They work so well and sound great to me. I have hand issues so the tension saves me. Russell Hall uses them and he sounds incredible. I think Thomas Morgan played them as well and I love his sound.

@stringmatrix 3 месяца назад

@@jazzbrew68 oh yes Thomas Morgan, that's really interesting, I didn't know!

@bassmonk2920 3 года назад

Are the G/D Oliv easier to bow the the Evah Pirazzi G/D...that be the reason to switch for me.......thanks

@stringmatrix 3 года назад

My arco skills are too bad to give you a good answer... I always found Evahs (also the higher strings) nice for bowing and I would think Olivs are similar. But I may be wrong.

@oliverkarstens 3 года назад

@@stringmatrix Ja genau, die Evahs lassen sich gut streichen und verzeihen viel. Nach meinem Empfinden sind die Oliv minimal empfindlcher in der Ansprache - etwas "barocker" und weniger Kern.

@peepsieD Год назад

Olivs can be finicky for bowing. Evahs are super for bowing, very consistent.

@lmc535 2 года назад

this set sounded so uneven on my bass, the transition from one pair of strings to the next might as well have been different instruments. Either set on their own sounded fantastic though. Wish I could still afford Oliv's.

@kaybhee6 2 месяца назад

goot... logical.... pls suggest,,, we play jazz,,, only for e string,,, we look for excellent punch,,, sustain,,, resonance,,, we await ur response,,, thanx

@stringmatrix 2 месяца назад

That's an interesting comment. It sounds nearly like "tell me which string is the best" which is impossible to answer. Also: strings with excellent punch usually don't have a lot of sustain and vice versa.