The Plan | Caprica | Blood & Chrome - Battlestar Galactica Retrospective, Part 3 

Please do a Tier Ranking of every Star Trek DS9 episode to celebrate that show's 30th Anniversary.

That's rad!

-Minus the fuckery

Your work is appreciated and still exceeds a lot of the slop put out today. Bravo.

Considering how much had to rebuilt because the sets were torn down. It's been 10 years, but dad gum it's still a good watch.

Was there ever an attempt to make a list of civilian ship designs to keep it in line with the script? Episode dialogue indicates between 60 and 75 ships but counting to the end of S4 and The Plan, I get upward of 95 ships!

It wasn’t the Cylons plan, it was Cavil’s plan-Always Cavill

You know, even after all he did I still strangely feel pity for John Cavil in the end. His overwhelming drive to experience his world in something other than that limiting human form speaks to me and I can somewhat relate. @@richlisola1

Spiny wheel of death just keeps turning. What does ‘buffering’ mean?

The entire plot of that film just makes their "plan" ridiculous. It's all boiled down to two Cavil's in a "Pinky and The Brain" type plot: "What we doing tonight Cavil B?". "Same thing we do every night Cavil A, try to wipe out the rest of the human race!".

That's what they get for running on f**king Windows Vista. 😉

There were moments that the series got wonky, but it could have been good for Syfy to give it more time.

Caprica might have done better if it was its own franchise and not as heavily weighed down by BSG, but I liked it a lot.

@@cryptc as Rowan pointed out, Ron stepped away from the series and Dave tried to run the rest of this. Had Ron stuck it out and didn't do a Glenn Larson, it may have lasted longer.

Blood and Chrome was THE way to go for a prequel series to BSG. Caprica series never looked related to BSG and it was pretentious and boring as hell.

Yeah I was a big fan of Caprica too, mostly the concepts. I thought the execution was a little and clunky at times, and I didn't like the music, but I liked the various colonies and exploration of their cultures which put a lot of meat on the bones.

But... Dean Stockwell is... gone 🥺⚰️

Sort of like Regeneration in Doctor Who. Except instead of a new cycle of the main character, we get a new cycle of the entire show

@@Zreen001 haha ya nice comparison. As long as they don't suck I'm ok with it. 😄

Yep funny I mentioned this and then saw you post here. I am sure someday we will see another take on this! Funny I am sure with AI type stuff someone will even wrap up the first series or something like that. At least Richard Hatch was trying to do something like that.

That was the hang-up at the time. Viewers were getting burned out on sequels and prequels. Show us something new guys.

You are forgetting that Stargate Universe was done like nuBSG as well. NuBSG for a time was a heavy influence on Scifi series styling.

The Stargate show is ass though.

@@gregorymcavoy758 SGU flopped exactly because it tried to change the formula of Stargate and copied too much BSG. Stargate fans at the time felt scammed cause the new Stargate didnt feel as a Stargate series

@@intellectic9155 well that "ass" ran for 10 seasons on the OG series, 2 movies, spinoff series of 5 seasons and 2nd spinoff that ran for another season. But you have your opinion

We can make it with AI.

It only got 1 season actually 🫤

@@KabbalahSherry it got 2. U can gage it by the old norm of 23 episodes per season. Or u can go by what it states on the release. Life’s better when ur not anal 🤡

This! Every Gundam series starts with a colony drop. BSG starts with a genocide. Kind of dark. A new BSG series should go with a heroic space opera. A traditional heroes journey. Apollo and Star Buck from 79 were classical hero archetypes. While their 2003 characters were merely protagonists. AI cyclons should be ditched replaced with humans or aliens. Revisiting the Moore's BSG would be wrong. But I have ideas of how it would be possible.

Anime is dumb.

@@intellectic9155 yeah that's why it rules

And this is what happens when the writing staff doesn't plan it out and shoots from the hip. It's always a letdown. Babylon 5, on the other hand, was fully planned out from A - Z and managed to survive a small budget, cast changes, etc to have an amazing ending.

@@sethzwicker3631 the last 6 or 7 episodes of B5 S5 were great, but the 14 or 15 prior to that were pretty terrible. And trust me: HUGE B5 fan here. Saw the pilot before it was even on TV, and I don’t like Star Trek, so I have no ulterior motive in being critical. Speaking of which, I think it’s fairly obvious BSG had some influence on the RDM Galactica, but that’s never really been discussed

@@mahatmarandy5977 Yes, I would agree but here's (my opinion) why: The last 6/7 episodes were the original intended finale & wind down. Fall of Centari Prime is just incredible but you already know that. The prior 14 were somewhat filler because the intended content of season 5 was shoved into the backhalf of season 4 due to the fact they thought they'd be cancelled so they wanted to complete the 2 main storylines: Shadow War & Earth Coup and they also shot the finale "Sleeping in Light" as a 4th season episode which worked out well because Ivanova was still in it whereas she would have been absent if they shot it in season 5. Low and behold TNT picked up the show and now they had a 5th season but didn't have a full season's worth of content.

@@sethzwicker3631 sort of true, but there were some other concerns. Number one is that the budget was smaller for the TNT season and it shows, number two is that they lost a day off of their 10 day production cycle for every episode, and that shows. One day it doesn’t sound like much but over the course of the season it’s the amount of time that they could make two full episodes in. Number three is the way they handle the drakh mystery. I like the concept of it, but we have seen our heroes, solve much more difficult mysteries in much less time, and since we know what’s going on, but they don’t, it makes them seem like idiots, trying to catch up with us. Number four, and what absolutely kills it for me, is the damn seven episode arc with Byron and the Telepaths. It just doesn’t work. It has no energy, it goes nowhere, and worse still it is completely unnecessary. After everything that we have already seen, we do not need the 1998 model Marcus to come in, and teach leader, how to be a leader. She already has more than enough experience behind her, and rising with the challenge on her own, would have better serve the character. And of course, there is no resolution to it. Just an absolute waste of time. Your filler comment is correct but honestly that doesn’t make it any better. Season one was largely filler as well, but that worked much better and after all we’ve been through we know these characters well enough for the audience to expect a little bit more. Allegedly, JMS had a much more cohesive concept of what he was going to do in the first 2/3 of the season, but he lost it. And I have always suspected he was just spread too thin. He was simultaneously doing 22 episodes of B5, writing 3 TV movies, gearing up for Crusade…just too much stuff. I don’t blame him, I just think he was overextended and it shows in the work.

That can happen with many creative things when put out there... I will say in the end yeah the creators vision is what we get, but there is are some shows and films that really just don't play out well in the end. Then at times we hear someone give it a better idea of how it could of played out and wow if they had gone that way with it boom! But hey such is how it works with creative material many a time and we all have our opinions in the end.

One of the reasons i really liked Caprica. Very cyberpunkish and i was not expecting that heh.

@@actionvestadventure Yeah exactly. That's why I loved it too. It's not often that Cyberpunk TV shows get made.

As far as I was concerned, having seen the last season of the BSG reimagining, Caprica was so much more interesting than anything else on TV at the time. Its cancellation was the first time in my adult life I really cared about a show being cancelled. The cutdown second season to finish it off was so rushed that it didn't work, but that's what happens when a show needs to reach its conclusion in a hurry.

​@@SingularityOrbit I think what helped caprica was that it was a cyberpunk genre inspired series. I agree, the last season of the BSG 2003 reboot was a complete mess and the series finale is considered one of the worst series finales of all time. The series started to go downhill with the middle half of season 3 after they wrapped up the New Caprica storyline. The 3-part season 3 finale almost redeemed the season. Season 4 was a whole lot of nothing and is generally considered the weakest season in the series.

​@@SingularityOrbit BSG seasons 1, 2 and the early half of season 3 (New Caprica) were the best seasons of the show. Season 4's biggest problem was that it was made during a writers strike and had to be split in two. The series finale ultimately ruins the entire series.

@@NaquanGreen-zt4gr Oh, apart from mentioning that I watched all the way through BGS, the rest of my comment was all about Caprica. I don't think the ending ruins the series, apart from not taking their audience's emotional need to know what "God" was all about seriously (and I include myself in that audience who needed more than what we were given). It just wasn't a _perfect_ ending.

@@SingularityOrbit Caprica was great and deserved another season. I just love the way it felt like a cyberpunk genre series.

@toddblackwood129 Your comment just gave me a thought for an alternative path the show could have taken: what if the Cylons, after leaving the 12 Colonies behind, found the "Cylon" colony that had annihilated itself (the one the Ragtag Fleet found near the end of the series)? They might have run away from the implications of Cylons destroying themselves, went through some societal craziness, and came out the other side with their new religion and determination to eliminate their weaknesses . . . including everything about their creators on the colonies. Of course, this isn't how it happened, it's just a fanfic notion, but it would have made some sense of it all. It doesn't explain Head/Angel Six and all of that, but nothing in the existing series does, either.

@SingularityOrbit the mythology of it all is ripe for expansion, isn’t it?? Although, and correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the character Count Iblis explain some of the lore/backstory of the Cylons? I think that was a character that should've been brought back in the reimagined series…

That's one thing I like about The Expanse. While that series focuses on human conflicts, the extraterrestrial elements gradually move from the background to the foreground in a way that doesn't detract from the political intrigue between the various factions in the solar system. BSG could have incorporated aliens in a way that wouldn't have sacrificed the grounded grittiness the series was known for. A lost opportunity.

@robwalsh9843. And the Expanse is Ronald D Moore, isn’t it? Or am I wrong?

&&&& yeah !!! YES.

I'd enjoy that immensely

Next year :)

@@RowanJColeman Thank you.

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