@fs… Business is not fair or not fair. It’s, can you make money or not or at least break even. Before they sell these three vehicles (probably within a month of purchase), they have to fix a few things that pops up as mechanical or safety issue. That will cost money. If they start building the trucks up that make them more offroad worthy they start specializing them which makes the pool of potential buyers willing to pay for them smaller and smaller because TFL have to recoup all the original purchase price plus cost of fixes plus cost of offroad build up. The future price of the vehicles where TFL will break even (not lose money) is going up and up which will shrink the pool of buyers willing to pay for such off-road improvements. Just doesn’t make financial sense for TFL. An average buyer will look a $15,000 225,000-mile 4-Runner (Tommy’s) vs a $6,500 auction 4-Runner or $10,000 dealer 4-Runner and will buy the cheaper one. Almost all buyers will do that. Eventually, a sophisticated buyer will come along and says, sure this $15,000 well sorted offroad built 4-Runner is great and he buys it. But this will take time and TFL doesn’t have time. They need their money back right now because next month they want to do a Cheap BMW series or whatever and they need to buy three 200,000+ mile BMW. 😃
Moral of the story when playing a game on tfl always wait to be the last to find your vehicle for the game so you can just break all the rules lol. I get the purchase but come on play the rules set or give the guys a bonus for upgrades and stop worrying about breaking even on selling them in a few months we want to see old Toyotas the way they supposed to be used. The attitude of breakage welcomed
I kind of agree, but I also think they were looking to see if you could find a good Toyota that is over 200k for less than 10k and go off roading with it. I think you can find something for less than 10k, but it will always need work.
@@Norwisco yeah the 4runner is definitely the best vehicle of the bunch. It's the cheapest vehicle with as much capability as the Land Cruiser which already came modified with the lift, tires, and emu suspension.
Of course the Land Cruiser is better than the Sequoia, that’s not even a debate, but at what cost? There are a lot more cheap Sequoias available than cheap Land Cruisers. Also, there’s plenty of Land Cruiser content compared to the first gen Sequoia. Now the “Cheap Toyotas” title has to be revised. I would like to see a series of purchases from the private used truck market. I think that would be a more relatable video series for most viewers. Thanks guys, great videos.
@@rubenoliver4979 right? I have a 2002 Sequoia that I got for $4300 a little over a year ago. I've modified it and it's lived a hard life off-road. It's surprisingly capable, and I was excited to see them use one. Of course a land cruiser for 3x the cost is going to be better
Yeah, that locker is key. I don’t think people understand how much value that adds to a potential off road vehicle. An aftermarket e-locker, gears, rebuild kit, and installation is thousands of dollars.
I’d take the locked truck over the solid axle truck in most of the off road situations I get into. Front solid axle is great, but it has become less important to me over the years. As long as the IFS is reliable.
@@phild9813 My 4runners ifs is a rough ride, even my hundred series lc ifs with torsion bars is rough compared to the 80 series, night and day difference. 80 has coils all around with a free float rear axle. With 4rd gen 4runners they also designed the lbj upside down so if they separate your whole assembly breaks off. Was a big issue with them and screwed alot of people. Usually they broke off during slow speeds but on the interstate your sol. They're still good rigs as long as you do your preventative maintenance although the 80 was way over engineered and it shows on the highway and offroad. He paid way to much for his 80, you can get them the same as price as a 3rd gen. And when they came locked from the factory they came triple locked, front locker, rear and center diff.
@@jraddd3477 currently seeing if i want to buy a 93 LC imported to north america about 40k miles ago. I have a tundra that suffered rust in the frame. I don't want to run into a similar (cancerous for vehicles issue) - is there things i should be looking out for on a 150k mile VX unlimited LC? Besides looking for the usual idle, leaks/sweats, maintenance at X mileage, AC working, power steering, brakes, etc, what else should i put my attention toward. So far everything is checking out on the one im looking at but it's only about 10k. I know lots about other toyotas, but almost nothing about LC's...i didnt raelize it came with a straight 6 until today haha
1. Tommy’s reaction to the LC killed me 🤣🤣🤣 2. This is the second episode and I’m left to wonder why no one NO ONE has ever mentioned that Andre’s Tundra has an LSD? Because I’m pretty sure it has reviewing 2008. 3. It’s really an interesting challenge because what we basically have here are a minesweeper (4Runner), a battleship (LC), and a huge long heavy a** aircraft carrier (Tundra).
The tundra has 3 levels of traction control on that one button. You have to hold it for a different amount of seconds. There's a pretty good video on it somewhere on RU-vid.
The Tundra does have A-TRAC in 4 wheel drive but ONLY if the traction control wasn't turned off. The only time to turn off the traction control in 4 wheel drive is when you are going fast not crawling. Love the show tho just need to represent the Tundra better.
Love these series, one of my favorites that you guys do! A truck a common working man can buy/ Afford and put it to the test is what I like to see! Keep it up all you guys you are all very good at what you do!
I feel like the 3rd Gen 4Runner is just condensed Land Cruiser. Absolutely phenomenal vehicles, and the '99-00 Limited versions w/rear lockers are absolutely the most sought after!
Seriously Nathan ?! 🤦🏽♂️I was really looking forward to seeing the sequoia off road. But I love watching yalls stuff so I’m going to continue watching the series anyhow. 😊
Nathan had me cracking up but he was right. You guys won't loose money on the sale of that. I like how he was able to manipulate the rules and budget 😂
Great job Tommy for keeping this test realistic and not spending 16k on an off-roader! I have a 3rd gen 4Runner exactly like that, spent around 6k after upgrading some warn parts. I guide hunts out of this truck though AZ and it’s been an awesome vehicle!
I'm definitely loving the series so far! I love the land cruiser but think the 4Runner is going to do great. It's been a week since I put Falken Rubitreks and the Magnaflow Overland exhaust on my 2000 4Runner, and I'm loving both! The Rubitreks are smooth, quiet, and there is no thumping down the road in the morning. The exhaust is mellow and has excellent build quality 👍
Really? I’m genuinely surprised. He has been extremely cringy and annoying from the beginning. I see the success of the channel is also getting into Roman’s head a little. His mannerism has changed - from the way he talks to the rest of the guys to the way he walks.
@mediocreman2. What? He is the most "jokey" and "playful" one of the entire group. I'm not saying he's hilarious, but you are missing a lot of his sarcasm and humor if think he's "unhappy" in these videos.
“Nathan vs. Everyone” to riff on Michigan Football, haha! Keep on laughing that semi evil/semi happy laugh! I’m still trying to decide what’s more entertaining: Nathan’s laugh (and lude comments) or Andre’s pinched face and sound effects as he bottoms out on stuff! Keep up the great content TFLTruck!
I love these cheap off road series! I'd love to bring my 2005 Envoy out to these areas and give it a shot. I paid all of $2800 for it, then threw in a 2" leveling kit. With the G80 out back and decent tires, I suspect it would do well enough. Would do better with a more capable nut behind the wheel though!
This reminds me of a family get together on the holidays with the bickering, teasing and someone cheating at board games. I have only owned used vehicles and this series is a good example of what to look for when buying used. Everyone will tell you the vehicle they are selling is in perfect condition and it was checked by a mechanic. However, when you buy it and take it to your mechanic suddenly there is a huge repair bill and hidden problems. I looked for a 2016 Canyon for years but they were either too expensive or had high mileage. I finally fond one but I had to drive 3,000 kilometers in 2 1/2 days get it. Then I drove it 3,000 km in February through a snowstorm back home.
@pro4xtrdpro376 As owning 2 built 3rd gen 4runners with e-lockers, an built 80 and a 100 series I can tell you it isn not even close, The 4runners come in last lol. Their Ifs is terrible, especially on 3rd's due to them designing them upside down so when the lbj's break your whole control arm assembly comes apart. Usually with slow speeds but if on the interstate your done. My 100 series is Ifs but better due to torsion bars but still rougher then the 80. My 80 is the smoothest ride out of all of them by FAR. It also is solid front axle, free float rear axle and coils all around making it the best for articulation. Only thing the 80 needs is more power but the runner 3.4 have way less power and them being light the rear lockers would make more difference if it was heavy. The 80 is heavy so when you know how to drive it the Center diff lock will pull you out of most things, but from factory some came triple locked, front, rear and center. Plus both my lc are full time 4wd. And way more interior room. I've never had to use the lockers on the 80 but the same trails I've had to use them multiple times in the runners. If this guy knew how to drive and use the gears he would preform way better lol. He did pay wayyyyy to much for that 80 though. I picked up mine mint condition for 1k acouple years ago.
@pro4xtrdpro376 I did the center diff lock 7 pin mod also which helped, Also did the transfer case over and underdrive gears to 4:56 and 3:1:1 which made a huge difference, Agree the 80 could def use more power, if the 1fze dies def gonna do a 2uz swap. The ride is hella smooth though even 35's and the 3" lift. Lockers aren't to bad aftermarket thats what I did, Harrop e-lockers both front and rear for around 2k.
@pro4xtrdpro376 It does produce great torque but not great hp for the weight of it. Most 4x4 older yotas produce great torque with the tractor engines lol Driving passes here in CO however is not fun. Regearing helped a ton but most of the power is taken mainly from the bus transmission and being full time 4x4. Off road does fine but 75mph up a pass on I70 did not lol. Before the regear anyway cause it was stoked geared at 4:10. Runners that are equipped with the elocker are 4:30 from factory, same with my 100 series.
When you have open diffs and get stuck, try applying pressure on the brake pedal with your left foot as you also press the gas. This "can" simulated traction control by putting even resistance to both sides. Also I can't remember fully but I think the traction control on the Tundra only works in 4h, it shuts off in 4 low
Isn’t the A trac ran via the traction control? Yet he turned the traction control off on the tundra, so wouldn’t that leave the A trac inoperative as well?
I bought a pair of rock sliders for my tundra after my running boards were damaged on the trail. Great investment. It’s crazy what this vehicle can do with a good set of tires and a small lift. The Tundra is pretty capable for its size!
Watching Andre wheel is a perfect demonstration on how not to drive off road. Puts power in at exactly the wrong time and stops precisely when he needs power.
@Bua… $15k for a Land Cruiser is cheap. Have you seen the new prices? And sure it’s more than $10k. So what? that $10k was a completely arbitrary number. Why not $5k? Or how about $1k Toyota for off-roading? Everything is relative and relative to new truck prices, $15k is dirt cheap.
it does not matter if it is cheap the rules for the series were outlined as 10k or under with milage requirements. If we are to allow this minds well allow a 50k built jeep as its cheap to some..@@is6566
My new favorite series. Nathan im with you on this. Thanks Roman for letting him (us) have it haha. This is actually a vehicle you guys can keep around for a while and do other segments with. Good purchase i think.
I bought a triple locked 1995 80 series landcruiser, it was the best purchase I have ever made and I will never get rid of that rig. Thank you for showing them some love
You guys have gotten to be so good at this stuff, I won't miss an episode, lol. Nathan is starting to develop an evil laugh! These series are fun to watch!
I'm surprised Nathan wasn't trying to justify his as a standard to compare all the rest to. "Can a vehicle with over 200k for under $10k match a low mile Land Cruiser." Or at least as the price is accounting for the difference in the value of money since the 1st $10k challenge.
Wish Nathan would have bought a first gen Sequoia and taken off road and tested the center diff lock. Its a very superior 4wd system found in the first gen Sequoias. As pointed Sequoias are so underrated and was excited when you had bought one. As my parents have one and havent seen many test the 4wd system tested out in a real offroad trail. Hopefully you guys have a chance to test a first gen Sequoia offroad like these other Toyotas one day.
Perhaps someday TFL will get their hands on the new Toyota Land Hopper. Or at the very least, review it. The 2024 4R is keeping its current engine and transmission. So, no extreme changes there.
Bought a 2019 Toyota Landcruiser 2.8 D-4D Invincible It was a nightmare from about 7K miles .... multiple problems going into limb mode when towing 2 ton trailer off road uphill resulted in numerous visit to dealers 3 exhaust filters 2 engines @ 28K miles I got rid of it when 2 nd replacement engine lost power from continuous limb mode when towing up hill. In my experience there's good & bad in every modern vehicle, just hope you stay lucky with your Grenadier. My most reliable towing off road vehicle in last 10 years PHEV Mitsubishi 4x4 , it's never went wrong in 100k miles 🤠
That 4Runner is literally the perfect machine ever build, smaller body, smaller engine compare to both, still doing everything which the Landcruiser can.
