He talked about the NEGATIVE POINT with CrossFit, just like he has talked in other videos about the negative points on Calisthenics (His sports) and the negative points on weights. He has a point, he was respectful, he didn't talked shit about the sport
The running analogy makes no sense and you clearly missed his point. He’s talking about cheating reps to get faster. It’s like cutting across the track and calling it a “full lap”.
And then saying "Oh, but everyone does it, so it's a level playing field". Why not invent rules to prevent this then? As others mentioned, I really don't have anything against Crossfit as a whole, but these "rules" and arguments are plain stupid.
No, it’s like finding a faster way to run. I’m a cross fitter and if I want to be able to perform more kipping pull ups in a minute, I do so by training weighted, strict pull ups. You neasayers have no pillar to stand on because you’re speaking from a lack of experience.
taylor booth see the point, triggered cross fitter, is that a kipping pull up is like taking half a lap or doing half a rep. You’d build a stronger overall physique by training with strict movements. I’m glad you can do more half rep pull ups after training real pull ups...
Clayton Smith well, then why run instead of hopping to the finish line? That definitely is gonna make your legs stronfger... Is you the one who's missing the point. In a race they just make rules about the course, not about the running form. You just gotta go from point A to point B as fast as possible, it doesn't matter how you do it. Making rules about the pullup form is like making rules about running form. Also, competitions would be so hard to judge. Even weightlifting eliminated the strict press because it was so difficult to judge.
Just because other people are too stupid to inform themselves before they talk? That's just the stupidest reason i can think of.. And it's not a loss that those people won't join a box.
Kipping pull ups are different from strict pull ups. It’s a variation, a gymnastics variation to be precies. Its different but really fucking hard if you actually do them. That’s why CrossFitters have fucked big biceps
A calisthenics world champion details the aspects of calisthenics in Crossfit that are questionable. Would you be saying the same to an olympic weightlifting champion who criticises the weightlifting done in crossfit?
I would simply explain to him that 60 cleans and jerks at 135 lb for time is a different workout being performed for a different purpose than finding a 1 rep max. Which would be the correct thing to do. But, if we where finding a 1 rep max (which we do all the time), I would listen to him, so would 99.999% of cross fitters. Most serious Crossfitters actually do take lessons from professional olympic lifters.
Kipping pull up is NOT a Calisthenics aspect is a Crossfit related matter! Now whether you want to call it "bad form" STRICT pull up is up to you. KIPPING pull up is a gymnastic movement, wheras STRICT pull up is pure strength, which in that case, forgive us for being such weak ass athletes. (Insert sarcasm)
In Crossfit you have strict chest to bar pull-ups, push-ups and strict deficit handstand push ups in workouts and in competition. If he was certified and being honest he would know that. I have never seen anyone do a push-up like OFFICIALTHENX showed. That was straight bull. Looks like someone getting up from a burpee maybe. If OFFICIALTHENX spoke to possible hazards he felt could come butterfly pullups his video would have some merit, but since a kip is an actual gymnastics move, everything else he said is made up garbage. He should sue who ever certified him in Crossfit if that's what he was taught.
Ben Views so then what is "proper form" for a strict pull-up? Is there a proper tempo, arm width, position of legs, hand position, etc. How would you judge strict pull-ups from one individual to the next? I know, how about just make the movement a defined range of motion (arms reach full extension, chin above the bar) and then each individual can do the movement they determine is most efficient for them and the judge just needs to verify the range is met. It is the same reason they have strict press, push press, push jerk and split jerk. There are many different techniques used to get the barbell from chest to overhead it becomes impossible to judge a "strict press" so only the range of motion is defined to make if fair. So, an Olympic lifter that clean & jerks in competition is not using proper form? Is he/she cheating because they are not strict pressing the barbell overhead?
Don Martin I know what you're trying to do lol, but they could easily establish that in the rules. Some athletes might disagree with the rules.. but oh well they'd have to follow them. S No swinging or kicking would be the bottom line for me
Cfour 1100 anyways, he may not be... but you can show that shit to any physiotherapist and ask what they think about it. I think we all know the answer
Pedro Henrique Motta Why though? You keep saying that but you don’t give reasons as to why. I’m curious, can you give a detailed explanation as to why?
its not bad form pull-ups when that is what they're supposed to look like... He isn't trying to do a strict pullup with bad form, he is doing a completely different movement called a butterfly pulp and doing it correctly. Stop trying to compare 2 movements when they're not the same.
nerf or nothing yeah I stopped watching this clown video when he compared doing as much pull ups as fast as you can to some one running as fast as you can. It's a joke. No thanks cross fit might have been good at one time but now it's all about bad form and hurting your body.
His basically (politely) telling that skinny dude who skips leg day to front up and do a legit crossfit workout with all the elements of crossfit in it i.e snatches, clean & jerks, Double unders, muscle ups, Hand stand push ups etc for as many rounds under a given time cap. Watch that little boy run back to his body weight calithesthetic shit lol
Crosfiters do strict pull ups too but most of the times it's kipping ....everything. This is how this sport is structured. i like crossfit but I too don't agree with 'cheating' to get as many reps as possible. I too have had injury performing fast reps of an exercise. So yeah the are good and bad things about crossfit and all the sports out there actually.
How about you’re in real life and you need to pull yourself up in an emergency from a hanging position. You’re really going to say “WAIT! I have to do a perfect strict pull-up because everyone says don’t Kip yourself up. Its not the movement these purists think I should use even though it’s faster and takes less work! I must do a strict pull-up even though I might die any second!”
His basically telling that skinny dude who skips leg day to front up and do a legit crossfit workout with all the elements of crossfit in it i.e snatches, clean & jerks, Double unders, muscle ups, Hand stand push ups etc for as many rounds under a given time cap. Watch that little boy run back to his body weight calithesthetic shit lol
In order for a rep to be counted in Crossfit competition, it must be completed with proper form. OFFICIALTHENX either does not understand the sport, or wants to speak down about it becuase hes pushing is own "sport". Im not worried about CrossFit going away anytime soon
ChazKing then don’t do Chris herias Workouts. Im not saying CrossFit is perfect or better than calisthenics but when I watch Chris workout I’m just waiting for his shoulders to break apart
I’m a CrossFitter and I appreciated Chris’s video because he emphasizes what so many crossfitters do in our sport; sacrifice fundamentals in order to compete and get fast times. I love Chris’s videos and I used his advice to do my first muscle up. As a crossfitter, we learn from many disciplines. As soon as we learn one movement, we find at least 3 more we aren’t proficient in. And some of us cut corners to get as proficient as possible in multiple movements.. that’s how so many of us get injured. When it comes to pull-ups, our gyms teach strict pull-ups first and we progress towards kipping and butterfly. I had no idea how to perform a butterfly pull-up nor had I seen one before joining Crossfit. Now, I find all 3 pull-up types acceptable and useful. In conclusion, Chris is pointing out some of the concerns we have in our sport, but those drawbacks occur because so many of us simply want the rewards without working on the fundamentals. That’s not a Crossfit problem, that’s how people are with any endeavor.
mdavis24 I’m a crossfitter my self for 3 years. Chris is right in my opinion. I got injured a lot coz many of us go for reps and we are time bound. Sooo we easily forget our form. Not to mention pushing for reps when fatigue. Which his the main cause of injury.
mdavis24 CrossFit’s gay af. Lmao. This is what I hear from everyone defending CrossFit. “I found something I wasn’t good at firing CrossFit” hmm I wonder why? Cause the form is shit and people are fit too much at one time with minima resting. So of course you’re going to look/ feel like shit trying to rush into things .
That CrossFit isn’t claiming that a kipping or butterfly pull-up is a good way to build strict strength. The guy in the original video is failing to see that CrossFit is its own sport, his point that strict pull-ups are the ‘correct’ way to perform a pull-up is ridiculous because in the sport of CrossFit there a number of ways to perform a pull-up. Efficiency is key to the competitive aspect of CrossFit but any good CrossFitter will not make efficiency the primary focus of all of their workouts.
People swim with freestyle saying butterfly style is rubbish. Can we just treat the other pull up style as different form of sports? People always compare things .. TRX vs Crossfit vs Bodybuilding... actually, u can do all, it is your freedom....u can choose whatever u want..choose those u enjoy..but no need to dislike / reject the other! Open mind my friend!
I'm doing Crossfit for 3 years. I really enjoy this sport but I'm sorry : THENX is right. Butterfly pull-ups are dangerous for rotator cuff and labrum and I still don't understand why this form of pull-up still exist in competition. It is possible to put high intensity and speed and rythm on strict mouvement. The goal could be the same ! Strict pull ups aren't only a strength move. If I say "Olympic Weightlifting is a strength sport, not a metabolic one" : It's completely false ! Doing multiple reps of squat snatch is creating a metabolic stress. And doing fast reps of squat snatch doesn't justify a bad or a different technique. That's part of the difficulty to seek of intensity through a safe and good form. So I don't understand why we have to create several different techniques for the same mouvement ? It's not the case for snatch and Clean and Jerk, so why should it be different for pull-ups ??
You've completely missed the point of his video. He doesnt rag on CrossFit, he explains the pros and cons - just as there in any other sport. This is just another example of people who train CrossFit getting incredibly butt hurt whenever anyone states there might be a slightly better way of doing things.
You gotta be kidding me right he freaking tells that crossfit has no form or proper technique, woa woa woa i can tell right now form and technique is important as fuck in crossfit i know form experience literally when I joined a CrossFit gym we spent 3 days a week for a month training only technique and form and a little bit of strength and only after that month has passed you can get on with proper training
Focus on technique is great but Chris's argument is that when CrossFit create the idea of 'as many reps as quickly as possible' then form suffers. No matter how much technique training you do form will take a back seat and therefore the body suffers, it only takes a few bad lifts when you're in a hurry to do serious damage somewhere. Also, those fucking kipping pull ups have I HATE MY SPINE written all over them.
Dom when does he talk about pros? he literally shits on crossfit for 12 minutes.... he completely rags on crossfit, saying we don't have progressions, we don't have standards, we don't have technique. all we care about is speed, counting reps and that we have "cheating mindsets" oh wait calling is cheaters was the pro right?? ha. the reason cross fitters get offended is because people like you and that weird guy do one arm pull ups think its okay to talk about a sport that you have zero knowledge of. yet you want to come on this video and act like Chris is doing crossfit some type of favor. please, feel free to tell me how Chris's video is helpful to crossfit? does he give any solution to all the problem he brings up? nope. actually he says we try to do things too quickly, like kipping pulls ups. that we have no progression. YET if you're new to crossfit, they literally will NOT let you take a regular class WIHTOUT taking several fundamentals classes first. and if you can't do a movement, the coaches SCALE the workout for you. so how is that not progressional? you are clueless don munro
'CrossFitters' get offended because of their near religious commitment to a fucking work out. Do you think other high level disciplines aren't criticized? CrossFit is a $4,000,000,000 global company and as such has a responsibility to be at the highest standards of health. Most of it is great, some of it needs work. And to quote my original comment on this video, your comment is 'just another example of people who train CrossFit getting incredibly butt hurt whenever anyone states there might be a slightly better way of doing things.'
I've been doing crossfit for 3 years and I agree with the THENX guy. I mean hes right. Although I can do muscle ups, I can see what hes talking about. But he also talked about it respectfully. He said every sport has its pros and cons.
true, just to know how of a low life this RU-vidr is (with a bunch of respect and correct me if I am wrong cuz I didn't watch all the video) that he didn't even mention what Chris said at the beginning of the video "every sport has its pros and cons"
As someone who does crossfit, Chris has alot of valid points. Anything on a machine/cardio should be done pace distance with a time frame. Anything else( bars/ weights- weightlifting/ rings/ gymnastics segments should be done with quality form without the time restriction to get a quality results. I see better results in muscle performing (lifting/ lower) myself or weights slower, than doing as many as possible in short time. I've done gymnastics, lifting and now crossfit. But then again thats just me...
that’s my regular person’s opinion too and I thought that a physician would share the same view but I’ve encountered a physician who belittled because i was slow, taking my time to do exercises correctly apparently, he cared more about checking off the exercises from the list then about a patient’s health
When you say results, are you referring to muscle gain? Because then yes. You’re right. Speedy reps won’t be the best route. But if your goal is to do correct technique for as many reps as possible in a fixed time frame, slow reps at high weight would be a waste of time. That’s the whole point of this video. They are different sports with different goals. So train in the style of the sport that gets you the goal you want
@@keatondejager His whole point is - which is a legitimate one - oftentimes in the gym, speed comes at the expense of form. It doesnt even matter if you go lighter, because you will do more reps
Eg at 4:00 he pulls up with the worst point possible and compares fast, incorrect pull ups to running an 800m -______- what he doesnt understand is that there are no standards for cross-fit anymore
He is stating the differences between Crossfit and Calisthenics. It's like a rugby player messing with (American) football player for not passing the ball properly ("bad form"). Apples and oranges geez, that's Craig's point. He might have missed some legitimate points from Heria but Craig's own arguments are also totally on key.
You're right - he clearly is speaking about something he doesn't know much about. He just spoke about the concept of more reps for better form...you're lucky he doesn't know about the more serious problems in CrossFit.
AggresssorFit™ Yup you’re totally right, I’m curious why where I live there are multiple towns around me and there are at least 2 CF gyms in every town and they are average size towns. And they are thriving.
I usually do not comment but this video caught my attention. I have participated in athletics my whole life as a triathlete and then I transitioned into gymnastics, mma and then Olympic lifting as well as CrossFit for 7 years. Every time someone says something you don’t like you seem to take it personally as most crossfitters do. Perhaps this is a generalization but I notice in other sports people don’t seem to get so offended when the validity of their sport is in question. They simply substantiate their claims or move on and all you are referencing is your opinion and sole experience which does not provide any merit to your argument nor AthleanX. (He gave an opinion piece as well.) From a physiological and structural standpoint kipping pull-ups may have a standard but this does not make the movement efficient for the natural biomechanics of your body. He could not perform said kipping pull-ups to your standard because his body is used to doing them efficiently. It’s a natural motion to pull your body weight up. It is unnatural to repetitively place your shoulders in a compromising position via kipping. As a swimmer I would perform butterfly and backstroke and the repetitive motion destroyed my shoulders regardless of how well I warmed up or cooled down. Now I perform a lot of preventative measures before lifting. My own experience which again is not derived from any statistical data has provided me insight into CrossFit. I used to attend workouts at my box 6 x a week and witnessed how misaligned form was encouraged. I have been to 30 different boxes down the east coast. When your class sizes get larger and everyone is sweating and panting and the music is going not once have I witnessed a coach keep an eye on every one of their clients. CrossFit may be fine for an athlete who is used to those workloads and variations however for anyone with health issues or had remained stagnant through the year I seen some brutal injuries. I was going to school to become a physical therapist at one point and during the course of my education I realized how counter productive this sport was. I love the workouts just not the standards or the encouragement displayed to perform a standard however inefficient. Any experienced athlete can see these inadequacies so do what you want people just grow annoyed I feel when CrossFits express their option to verify what should be evidenced as facts. I think if people did not become so offended and could acknowledge some movements and areas could stand to progress regardless of the accepted status who people would become more open minded to listen to advocates such as yourself. I have a lot of respect for these athletes just not the environments not the style of training and I feel as though just because you can train does not mean you can coach for those are two distinguishable skill sets.
I see what you’re saying but if you go to a legit gym (one I went to had people who competed) they make you learn the strict movement before the other. I think people don’t take time to learn the sport.
Hi, I think if you have done so many sports, you are an awesome athlete and therefore you should know that in one sport, being efficient is not the same as in another sport, for exanple, you said you did mma, I do boxing and I think we can agree that the boxing stance is very differant from an mma stance and that keeping a boxing stance in mma would be insufficient. It is the same with calithenics and crossfit the goal of crossfit is to do as much reps in less time, meaning that a kipping pull up is way more efficient, but in calithenics the goal is strength and performing advanced bodyweight exercises so to progress to muscle ups ot weighted pull ups you need to train strict pull ups. This leads me to the conclution that both pull ups are efficient for their own sport and for differant goals.
Old mates video was interesting and informative because he explained his theories with as little negativity as possible while demonstrating his practical applications. You had a whine in front of the computer and rubbished him like he offended your favourite barbie.
I don't cheat my reps, that would be cheating myself of gains just to say I did something I didn't. That's like running a marathon race and going off course, cutting it short and then claiming you ran the whole thing. How LAME is that? Did you even watch this video, the kipping or butterfly pullups are a skill, a different way of getting the work done faster.
you can't really cheat your lungs on a 20+ min workout....either way your dying for air. Your too biased about competition and its not even like that cuz they have someone watching them the whole time counting their reps and no repping them a lot. Crossfit is mainly a fuck ton of cardio...and most people in the world don't even excercise, so chill your titz.
dichotomy of crossfit "these techniques make us more efficient but doesn't decrease the work that we do" --BUT--the whole point of every single form, technique, or function in crossfit IS to decrease the work that you do. butterfly pullups are designed to use momentum to decrease workload on the muscle thus enabling you to do more faster for example. you are confusing efficiency with decreasing effort. there is a difference. and that is what the guy in the video is saying. also, there is a difference between competition in crossfit and training to get more fit or capable....and strictly speaking if all the movements in your regimen used daily prioritize that decreased workload then you will not get stronger as fast as working towards strict movements. noone will ever be able to do strict pull ups as fast as kipping...and noone will ever be able to develop strength as fast if they kip...a strict movement burns more calories than a momentum based one...so...for the average person trying to just be more healthy doing strict movements will create the same cardiovascular health and they will be stronger even if they do fewer overall movements... the only logical reason to do the kipping is specifically to compete in crossfit, but the guy is not talking about competing he is talking about training for all those looking to engage strictly for health reasons...now there are some pros to crossfit like the cult like atmosphere and socialization that may help people be more consistant and so forth, so it isn't like crossfit is bad, its just technically less efficient...but if you enjoy it then don't worry...though it may be wise to grasp the concepts around using momentum since knowledge is power...
EricLis Mumze most of the pull ups done in Training are strict pull ups(at least in my box) and sometimes I/we do kipping or butterfly pull ups to learn the technique and get used to doing more and hanging on the bar for longer. But again most of the training is done with strict form and the other thing is for competition preparation. But I also think that it would be even a little bit better if you had to do strict pull ups in competitions so the other forms would be thrown away
@@juliansteen109 boxes are different, i applaud you for that, the one i used to go to rarely did strict anything...and i visited a couple where the mentality seemed to revolve around speed and numbers as well. i don't want to generalize based on anecdotal info, but it seems to be a bit of an issue.
@@juliansteen109 also, i think there is room for both kipping and strict movements in CF competitions...i always say the line should be the hero WODs vs the ladies...the hero WODS being named after people who couldn't "cheat" or kip when doing their PT tests, so if we are trying to emulate or honor them we should not take any shortcuts either.
Exactly!!! Shows some real insecurity for sure feeling you need a response video. Afraid the guy reaches many people....but his response video will offset it...thats pretty arrogant
With all due respect, I don't think you made a good point defending CROSSFIT, regardless of whether or not CROSSFIT is defend-able. I watched his video AFTER watched yours and I have to admit, his video makes a whole lot of sense than yours.
It made sense because he was lying to make a point, it's impossible for someone to do 40 kipping pullups and not be able to do a single one strict, not to mention strict ones are the ones with which you start off in crossfit.
Rafał Sobczyk in my crossfit gym my gym trainer does kipping pull-ups and he can do 50-60 in a row but can only do 15-20 strict ones. Chris’s point is that don’t choose high intensity over more reps.
But you see the difference between 15 and zero, right? If he can do 15 strict pullups he has the strength base already. It's a complete situation than a weak beginner who can't do a single pullup.
What do you mean my father went to a physiotherapist he said that 80% of his clients are cross fit athletes because they do exercices with bad form wich wear wear out their joints
Yes, many crossfitters end up at physio, but so do fighters of all disciplines - only contact sports are not as widely subscribed to as CF and there’s more room for dumbfuckery in CF due to the variety of skills required in CF
@@mmazourov it's got more to do with CF pushing speed under high fatigue while doing extremely precise movements, that's the main problem the scientific lifting community has with CF. I love the fact that CF has a diverse range of movements and patterns, but as an advance lifter, even I would be concerned doing snatchs/cleans and any barbel movements at a high resistance with speed as the competitive factor. There's just no way I could keep my form perfect while trying to execute at a high speed at my max ability. In order to do these movements correctly it takes me a great deal of focus and mind muscle connection, this pretty much disappears at high speed and fatigue... Resulting in injury, I don't see how this is hard to understand.
@@grapograc dude, you are clearly way above my level, however - keeping the form and avoiding injury is a part of any sport. The fact that CF requires you to do more reps does not change anything Vis a Vis technique. I guess the issue is that there are too many gyms popping up and fuck all decent coaches, so people look at Matt Fraser and decide they can do the same - despite the fact that Matt is first and foremost an Olympic lifter.
Just like anyone doing any type of workout, that is the fault of the person participating. Not the sport. Noone criticises distance running or football when people get injured...it happens. If it is bad form, I doubt it is the coaching.
All im hearing is the other fella saying that pull ups in crossfit are wrong. Sorry but there's alot more to training in crossfit than pulls up anyways. He may have a lot of upper strength to lift and carry himself. But i don't believe he's done a real crossfit competition in his life. Everything he's saying is a load of bollox and narrow minded to someone that just concentrates on one aspect of training.
@eka putra never walked into a bar, and u know who's the man? The man who bleeds his hands putting real work , good form no cheat no ego, looking to crossfit, i can smell the scent of the ego shit coming out
This is the real problem with Crossfit: When you are doing something wrong and someone tells you, you say "but this is how we do it in my sport". Physios and chiropractors are happily paying their kids college/university tuition fees treating all the injuries you lot are picking up by flopping about without any form.
Jocky Rohnson as I've worked as a physiotherapist in Rugby pitch-side and general injury management for 10 years, please inform me of your area of expertise in this matter?
Jocky Rohnson no response to either question other than childish insults. Apologies if you have learning difficulties, I'll end this conversation here, 🖐️
For the pull-ups alone, the reason he says it is shit form is because it is, if you want to call it a Pull Up then pull up, if you do 106 Swings in 1:36minutes then call it a SWING not a pull-up
You really should deal with the poor deadlift form seen at so many crossfit competitions, its atrocious and makes the sport look like a joke to any other serious lifters outside of crossfit.
F hitching. Just because its allowed doesnt make it good or safe form. Theres only one way to load the posterior chain with that much weight from that angle and jerking around side to side or up and down mid rep is not part of that. Thats a one way ticket to snap city sooner than later.
hitching isn't bad for your body at all if you keep your body tight and spine in a strong position lol. I dead lift PL style but still strongman style is much more applicable to life. I've NEVER lifted something PL style in any of my labour jobs haha.
Dude what are you talking about do you know how people build muscle and strength? Is by destroying the muscle tissues and rest and a protein intake could help heal it and it recovers and become bigger. And when you do crossfit correctly you wouldnt feel it in your joints so idk what you talking about. Answer this honestly have you ever done crossfit or powerlifting?
@Hottyt1 the point of CrossFit isn't to wreck urself! The point is just the opposite U only do damage if u do it wrong The point here is, don't cut corners
I don’t think Chris knew that people train differently for different reasons. I didn’t know that before working out. I learned watching people do it and then explain they were training that way for a certain sport. Which makes complete sense now. Of course you would want to improve on what you actually need. It’s not about being ripped or bulky for everyone. Just like body builders train to get bigger but that doesn’t mean you should train like them unless you want to look that way. That’s not to say don’t learn certain things from them but unless you want their results 100% then you shouldn’t do everything exactly how they do.
The problem with 'Crossfit' is that it tries to make a sport out of gym training. Gym work should be practiced with good form as one is training with a goal of body-improvement, not competitive 'max-out' at all costs. Corners are not to be cut in the gym as this is to deny oneself the best possible workout. I do like the idea of seeking to bridge multiple disciplines, but Crossfit is suffering with teething problems and consequently comes across as a fad. It needs to iron out aspects of its sport, not least its laughable "pull ups".
He sounds mad because his pull up game sucks haha I get what Chris says if you do it sloppy you won't advance I would like to see a video of them battling it out to see who is right. But as one of the other guys here said before he wasn't disrespectful so I'd say get over it.
Good video in the way you did set it up defending your sport. I compleatly agree on that you dont need to train while you explain this stuff. I do know much more on "crossfit bashing" than on crossfit itself, can someone explain the purpose of doing crossfit pullups? I do only see them as bad pullups so far, as they do look very unhealthy.
The purpose is to do more "pull ups". On a pull up bar. There is far less real life transfer and "functionality" than with proper pull ups. But how are you going to strictly judge pull ups? Exactly. So this is what they do in CrossFit.
we could all go round and round on who's video was better..... but I will only add this.... Rich Froning Vs Chris Heria.... would pay money to see this.
Eh. They're both so much better than each other at their specialities that I feel nothing would be a surprise, just more of an exhibition, which incidentally I would also pay to watch.
Antonio Davis definitely “you don’t need to prove your strong, just talk about the point of your video” lol like come on man those pull ups looked cool as fuck don’t hate
I somehow agree with both of you... partly! CrossFit is a sport and it would make no sense for it to have no progressions... it's in the science of any sport, progressive overload is key to progressive adaptation and improvement. on the other hand, Chris is pointing to the fact that kipping pull ups are accepted in competitions. or better, they're the norm now in competitions! the question is: what if the CrossFit games only accepted strict pull ups, strict handstand push ups, etc...? that way it would always be about being faster, but in a strict way. showing off real strength instead of finding more efficient ways to go through a movement without actually targeting the corresponding muscle group correctly
@@lx_lucky4900 no, but if you compare it to e.g. gymnastics, there is always a " real form" component. I don´t get it. I don´t see crossfit as a real competition sport. They skip rounds during a run, and just add the slowest time of the other rounds to the time? come on
One thing I noticed: Doing "more reps" does not equal "more efficient" efficient means getting a job done, if you're not accomplishing anything, then it's not efficient, it's just a whole lot of time waste. Like you said yourself: I'd rather try to beat 18 perfect form pull-ups in one minute that will make me stronger, than 50 seizures that will make me waste one minute.
there are kipping pull ups, but i've never seen what he calls "kipping push ups". it's not a thing. crossfit does straight pushups, to an actually high standard at that. of course there are other (easier) forms such as dive-in pushups, but crossfit doesn't have a monopoly for them, and they aren't considered as the basic variety.
@@lynchingtree2317 "You youtube seach kipping dips and kipping push ups." well, i did a youtube search for kipping pushups out of curiosity. still didn't see any. you can kip with HAND STAND pushups: true. but with regular, horizontal pushups - and that's what the guy demonstrated - it's not really a thing. of course i can't rule out that SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, does something weird under the CF banner. it's a big world and people do crazy shit. personally though, i've been to 5 crossfit boxes in 2 countries, and not one of them ever did what he claims is a typical crossfit exercise. "You kip EVERY workout you do" that doesn't even make sense "don't lie bro" and what would i gain from lying, exactly? crossfit isn't even my main sport, i primarily train bjj. i took up crossfit after when i broke my finger and couldn't grapple, and i stuck with it for conditioning because i liked it. i don't really care about crossfit competitions and all that stuff tho.
Strider __ there’s negatives in all sports. “The Problem with Crossfit” video, is ignorant and misinformed. 1. States there is no progression based strength in Crossfit, wrong 90% of work in Crossfit is based around periodisation and progressive over load 2. He gets confused about different modalities of training. He thinks kipping is wrong and speed is wrong. That is correct when focusing on building strength. But if you want to work on Conditioning, improve efficiency, develop explosive power through your whole body and improve your coordination. Then a kip is a good thing. Show me a gymnast that doesn’t incorporate a kip on an uneven bars routine or a rock climber/ninja warrior athlete that doesn’t incorporate a kip when getting from point A to point B through a jump getting there efficiently as possible? It’s the same in a CrossFit race. However all these sports would look at strength training and progressive overload to get the strength required, but also look at developing power and coordination with other training modalities. This guy is coming from a specialist back ground where he focusing on one thing. He then states that if you don’t do the same as him it’s wrong. He’s purely ignorant, as it’s different, and he cant seem to grasp the concept. It’s the same as walking somewhere and seeing someone run past you and hate on them because they aren’t walking. You can’t compare apples and oranges and it’s even harder to, when you don’t know what one is and you’ve never tried it.
he didn't highlight the negatives. Most of the things he says are ill-informed. Btw I follow officialthenx for his calisthenic routines. But regarding crossfit he unfortunately is completely ignorant
Hardly got pissed off - he made fair points that if that guy had done as much CrossFit as he says he says then he would know. Richest wasn’t exactly pissed off screaming at the camera or getting riled up, he was fairly defending his own workout style which is more than fair.
@@1stpush "a rock climber/ninja warrior athlete that doesn’t incorporate a kip when getting from point A to point B through a jump getting there efficiently as possible? It’s the same in a CrossFit race. " Although I see your point I think this is very different. Just like his 800m race example was completely irrelevant: the goal of a race is to get to the finish line as fast as possible. Proper form will help you tremendously to achieve that. In ninja warrior the goal is to get to the end. It doesn't matter how you do it or which moves you incorporate. In crossfit you are doing various movements with the goal of doing them as fast as you can regardless if you have "proper" form or not. Why not just call it "getting chin over bar" instead of pullups then? They do clean and jerks with good form, handstands with good form, why cheat on pullups? I definitely agree though that based on what Chris has said and my limited knowledge of crossfit that they do need to do progressive work. It's not like they just cheat on every exercise, which officialthenx seems to assume just from the cheater pullup movement done at competitions. "It’s the same as walking somewhere and seeing someone run past you and hate on them because they aren’t walking." This is true if the one goal is just simply getting your chin over the bar. Sure, it's technically a "pull up" with the addition of momentum and cheating but I think that's where officialthenx gets offended and why he was bashing crossfit so much in his video. What if a professional weightlifter critiqued the issues of bad form in lifting during crossfit competitions. Would he get the same backlash from crossfitters?
I think the critique about crossfit was balanced and this video isn't a compelling rebuttle. he was negative on the application. the basic message was crossfit moves are possible to learn but in his opinion the slow steady progressive methods will be more beneficial. I dont see an issue with this
TeamRICHEY what's clueless? the message wasn't to dismiss crossfit outright or crossfitters. he was critiquing the approach taken by some of ignoring the progressive element of training. I didn't take that to be a uniform dismissal of cross fit, but just to consider the application. you have your opinion and respect a lot of what you say but to say its clueless is a bit odd. That's all....merry Christmas
if someone were training for calisthenics they would get better faster at those movements then training for crossfit...crossfit on the other hand has like 100+ movements you need to pretty good at overall in order to be dam good at what is trying to be achieved. Crossfit is not trying to turn someone into a 360 muscle up behind the back clapper...its more like i can do 10 push ups at a time and turn that into more push ups at a time AND NOT instead of turning those push ups into being able to do a triple behind the back clap push up. You see what im saying...crossfit is almost always about heavier weights/more reps/faster runs and not so much about more advanced movements. They do have some technical work like handstand walks and double unders but obviously not the degree of a master of jump rope or a gymnast....but you cant be a master of all....cross training is just a way of being good at everything.
rIzzerio thats a Strawman Fallacy. Calisthenics are about increasing strength by exercising wit form and progression, After you can do 'x' pullups, you do weighted pullups, one handed pullups, or muscle ups. Freestyle is not the goal. although it does demonstrate the ability. You can do calisthenics for years without doing freestyle
Aris Koin δεν εκλαιγε ρε μαν , απλα επειδη στο κροσφιτ υπάρχει το πουλ απς με φορα, ολοι θεωρούν πως οι κροσφιταδες δεν κανουν ή ακομα χειροτερα δε μπορουν να κανουν αυστηρα πουλ απς... τον κραζει γτ δεν εχει ιδεα απο αρση βαρων και παραπλανα το κοσμο
Let me tell you why I love CROSSFIT. ITS FUN!! I get to train in a multitude of different sports, in a competitive atmosphere, with my mates. I don't walk around the gym with my headphones on by myself doing pull ups or lifting a weight, occasionally flexing in the mirror...I used to train in Body building style and it gets boring! Doing CROSSFIT, I feel more healthy both mentally and physically after 2 months, than a whole year of body building training. Its that simple.
The Spooling Turbo well that's your opinion- different people find different things fun. As for physically CrossFit won't be as good as bodybuilding or calesthenics
The problem with CrossFit is that they treat regular sessions as a competition. These should be treated as practice or as training. Competition is something you prepare and save up for. Treating every sessional a competition is a recipe for burnout and injury.
No they dont the soul purpose of CrossFit is to work on yourself if you're trying to compete with people at CrossFit your doing it wrong. There is only competing at CrossFit games or competitions for people who are very good at CrossFit and form, know what they are doing and want to take it to the next level. You've clearly never been to a CrossFit gym.
@@Wildwestshows Anyone who watches the CrossFit champion games can clearly see the potential injury that can occur due to their form. From sit-ups to dumbbell overhead. Never mind the doing something that looks ridiculous such as kipping.
I do agree that crossfit in generally has very beneficial training regimen cardiovasculair, multiple muscle group training, overall strength,.. But I also agree with the other guy, their are things like the pull-ups that are very bad for the shoulders and ligaments. From a fysiotherapist point of view. That's why you also see much more injured with crossfit athletes then any other sport athletes
You mean the one in which an amateur misses the key points laid out by an expert? Yeah. The fact that he doesn't recognize the problem with a kipping pull up is a giant red flag. Let me lay it out for you: the pull up is part of the crossfit repetoire because it is a fantastic exercise that - when completed with the full and proper range of motion - targets muscles that are often neglected by other exercises. Namely, the lats. However, that fantastic exercise has been replaced by kipping pull ups... which target the biceps and almost completely ignore the lats. So now crossfit ignores the lats... because most trainers are ignorant of the original purpose of the inclusion of pull ups, or ignorant of the innefectiveness of the kipping pull ups compared to traditional pull ups.
Ive been doing crossfit for 6 months now. We sometimes train with strict pull-ups and other days we train doing kipping pull ups. They are two different exercises. Im not sure why thats hard to understand.
They are indeed two different exercises: one is a safe, effective, and well established exercise; the other is a dangerous, ineffective joke of an exercise. Not to worry though, we've got our fair share of gym fails in the body-building sphere too. People who half-rep, use momentum, or just have shite form. I'll continue to mock the fools in the body-building and the fools in cross-fit in equal measure.
Question: if you dont gain anything from a kipping pullup other than speed, then why use it. If you train for strict, why isnt the competition also strict to reflect that? Wouldn't the better athlete be the one with the most strength and endurance for the muscles being assessed, rather than the one who has best optimized the movement away from using their strength? I do understand that the butterfly pullups do require strength in shoulders etc, but the point of my question is still there, I believe.
The reason this question is stupid is because you are expecting CrossFit to have a logical explanation to why they do something. Clearly you’ve never gone to one of their gyms and seen how they handle programming. They act like to goal is just to make everyone pass out afterwards, even if the way they do it is faulty and even dangerous
Heria might be able to do 100 of those butterflies pull-ups without breaking a sweat. While this guy might not be able to do 25 pull-ups with Haria standards. That just proves the point of how important is the form instead of speed with bad form, using your legs to go up instead of your actual back muscles. Slow progress better than no progress.
Bro Chris heria wasn’t able to do a single correct kipping pullup. None of these 2 attempts he made at them would have counted in a crossfit competition. If we put a CrossFit athlete next to Chris doing calisthenics then Chris would crush him obviously. If we put Chris next to a crossfiter doing CrossFit then he’d lose horribly. It’s all depending on what you train for
From One side we have a fully respectfull pro athlete talking about what he don't like about crossfit and explain why, and from the other side you are here with all your anger. I noticied your argumentation and i tried crossfit for 2 years, and personally i'm totally with chris point: Crossfit is a good sport, but this is a dangerous and not strict engouth. You don't control your body as much as a gymnastic user or callestenics. Don't be mad when you start a reaction video next time
Bro, powerlifting is dangerous, weightlifting is too. Hockey, alpine skiing, rugby, almost all sports are dangerous. If you want to be 100% to never get injured, just do bicep curls and pec deck.
The question I have is, why do Cross-fitters even have kipping pull-ups in the first place? The athletes are so strong, why not do normal pull-ups or weighted pull-ups? It is a strange choice in my opinion. Considering they can do walking handstands + olympic lifts! It's just all a bit weird really. It's the only thing stopping me from doing cross-fit. Maybe you could make a video on them? Explain what they are for, what they do, how to do them etc.? =]
As a guy who does Crossfit I tend to agree with you. The conclusion I came to is that the kipping pullup is the lead in to bar muscle ups? Maybe? I would definitely lose them in competition though.
I think the key is about dinamics. Strict movements are statics, all the force comes from the muscles, but there is other way, using dynamics, your body mass to reduce the force needed. Then is faster, more energy efficient ( and then you can do more), but your range of motion is the same ( chin at the bar and straight arms at the bottom). I think Gymnastics is the top of calisthenics, on ring they use more static and strict force, on ring or pomo horse they use dynamics. Gymnasts must master on statics AND dynamics. Crossfit have some statics and some dynamics from several disciplines, that is what it is. Lately, street workout is usin a lot of dynamics on freestile ( they use gymnastic muscle up, for example using kiping, and is acepted).
"I haven't seen him do an olympic lift" I've not seen crossfitters do olympic lifts. They do a poor attempts at them, or at least that's what it looks like.
I was surprised by your response. I actually found his criticism to be one of the first legitimate arguments against Crossfit. The reason being is that Greg Glassman and Dave Castro always say that Crossfit prepares you for the unknown and the unknowable. But we saw that fall apart the first time that Rich Froning saw a rope and the first time they introduced peg boards into competition. So it begs to be argued that if they threw some type of strict bodyweight exercise at athletes at the games that they would struggle. Also kipping push-ups may not be an actual thing but it is what Crossfit athletes do when they race through burpees instead of doing them in their strict and correct form. Also I have always cringed when Crossfit athletes or Greg himself has referenced Crossfit as a sport that includes gymnastics and rowing. Let’s be real here...no competitive gymnast would say that doing handstand walks and ring dips means that you are doing gymnastics. It’s not like you are holding an iron cross on the rings or doing vault, high bar, or a floor routine etc... Also any person that competitively rows would not consider rowing on a rower for calories to be a part of their sport or even comparable to being in the water and racing. Just my opinion.
I can only speak to the rowing portion because I did crew in college. We actually use ergometers to train in the off season when it's too cold on the water or there is no water because it's all frozen and they actually have ergometer heats where people get together to "race" in competitions. The rowing machine was invented for crew athletes, so yeah, we do use it and it is and can be made more comparable to actually rowing on the water, especially if you put the machine on rails. But then we also use it to practice proper form and timing, so we're not just ripping on the cord as fast and hard as possible with no thought to how the oar would travel through the water if we did it the way cross fit athletes do. We also don't row for calories, we row for time, or reps, or distance.
I just watched Matt Fraser power clean 380 lbs. I think it's safe to say that to be an elite athlete in either of these disciplines requires vast amounts of strength and skill.
I mean he's good, really good. But when you say Elite, a simple search of his rankings worldwide when he competed as a powerlifter should tell you all you need to know.
I used to hate cross fit but it was an absurd instinct o sport competition, i train calisthenics and have many advanced moves and i tried cross fit, and now i do 1 crossfit wod right before my real calisthenics / gym training coss it translates so good. Dont neglect the gains bc of hatred
He was not hating on this sport je just stated his problem, if you really watched the video he says that every sport has its advantages and disadvantages, calisthenics it self has also problems. So chill
Your points against the video is incorrect. His point is 100% valid, doing an exercise as fast as possible doesn't mean you're doing the movement properly, which leads leads to injury.
Joe McGovern, I don't have a problem with doing things fast. My point is that if you change the definition of the exercise, you're really not doing the exercise. That's like saying in order to complete a sit-up you just have to get your shoulders off the floor. Second, focusing on time for Olympic lifts leads to injury. I had the privilege of meeting an instructor of seal team six, one of the best physically trained teams in the world. The staff doc noted a MASSIVE increase in injuries. Clearly workouts the Murf are great but those don't include Olympic lifts for time. Frequent exercise should be designed to help avoid injury not increase the chance of sustaining an injury.
Steve Aiello so you have some anecdotal reports of increased injuries. As for calling an exercise something different, there are descriptions for the "kipping" and "Butterfly" variation of the pull-up. Different activities. No one has tried to pass either off as a strict exercise. Just like walking in a running comp, you won't get disqualified, but you will get disqualified for running in a speed walking comp. As far as injuries go, people who compete have a greater injury risk, that's any sport. People who train safe and don't compete have a lower risk of injury. I find it strange that power lifters, body builders and people from a calisthenics background feel threatened by crossfit while gymnasts, rowers and runners don't have this feeling of competition, 🤔
I don't feel threatened at all by cross-fit. I've done it, and my faience does it 5 days a week. What I want people to understand that there are trade offs, and when you're trying to do a movement as fast as possible, that is NOT designed to be done quickly you will make a trade. This is true in any area of life, just look at project management. Time, Money or Quality, in this case your trying to do something faster at the expense of quality of form. Personally I think cross-fit has a great community, what I don't like is that you can go get a level 1 cross-fit certification with 5 hours of actual hands on time, and then propagate improper form to people who don't know better. Some aspects of cross-fit are fantastic. In my personal opinion, any Olympic lift for time is not one of those things.
Steve Aiello the Olympic lifts in competition are aimed at a 1RM weight. And the most dangerous for that reason. Reps for time are never at 1RM, if you are competing you should be comfortable with the weight, if it's in a WOD you should scale to the appropriate weight. You wouldn't tell a marathon runner they should only train at 5k distance, would you?? How far should someone row? Run, swim, handstand walk, lunge walk?? As far as they have trained to. As I any sport you do not go straight into competition level, you work up.
Its always a sign of proper discussion, when you repeat the opponents sentence, and comment it with "its so wrong, that it is ridiculous"with excessive hamd and face gestures. That explains a lot, thanks
Sorry dude, but crossfit doesn’t earn the right to say it includes gymnastics. I have been a gymnastics practitioner for 5 years studying the art of movement, I also teach crossfit classes at my local gym as I have the qualifications to do so. But nowhere in crossfit does it include the strict form or body control progressions that gymnastics is based on so don’t be dropping the gymnastics word in the same sentence as crossfit.
If they did, then they would just be a gymnast...they obviously cant incorporate every single move or skill from every sport because then they would have zero progression. I understand gymnastics and the training of crossfit are in no ways comparable but they have taken excercises from gymnastics and incorporated them into programming.
i dont agree with that sentiment at all. an Olympic sprinter in the 100m sprints in a straight line as fast as possible. that is his sport. a football player takes a ball and sprints to a location as fast as possible, and creatively using blockers, passing, and teamwork within the designated area. so thats like saying that football player isnt sprinting because he isnt doing it in a straight line. its not the same no, but thats why its called crossfit and not gymnastics. its a different sport, its a different lifestyle. but it still incorporates those movements, into its own and then made it its own thing. be proud of the fact that you do gymnastics. let crossfitters be proud of their sport. both are EXTREMELY difficult, just in their own separate ways.
@@maciekk1455 actually each sport has his own good points and bad points. EVERYONE has both. So its just about knowing what we like and understanding it. Nothing can be wrong if u like it unless is damaging your health in any aspect. i might sound contradictory with before but ... i think he did right to make this video but in some points nhaaa idk
True. Thats why when you search "toes to bar" or even strict you see shit form, and then search "hanging leg lift" and see the proper gymnastics exercise. A sport can be a sport following other paths as gymnastics does with judges. No need to end first because it makes no sense. BTW im doing crossfit, but my coach isnt a twat. He knows what he does. Today he talked shit about 19.5. Not like every other crossfitter who think everything on crossfit is clever or has a purpose.
Crossfit being a sport is good. But to sacrifice form over points is just fcked. That's why bodybuilding and calisthenics industry says crossfit a bad sport. Kipping pullups for the sake of points? *thumbs down
He doesn't know CrossFit as well as you obviously, but he clearly understands the fundamentals of applying appropriate tension, form and RoM. The whole point of strict form isn't just for quality of exercise, its also to mitigate risk of strain or injury. He wasn't digging at crossfit, he was criticizing how its described fundamentals are often neglected in place of obtaining a competitive time and how the discarding of strict form in some cases leads to a lack of any actual functional progression. Since functionality lies in the ethos of Crossfit, anything that doenst add value to that is going against it? From a functional mobility background myself and having been in the company of biokineticists and sports science experts, i can say Crossfit is one hell of a thing to these guys, not because CrossFit sucks inherently, but because the state of teaching and training of crossfit is damaging people at a higher rate than any other consumer fitness system. Consider the fact that CrossFit is a business first then a training discipline second and its only existed for around 20 years as a consolidated approach. That means firstly, the interests of the overlying structures of crossfit are to boost profits, and this is achieved by a mass rollout of the service of offering CrossFit training through thousands of boxes globally. The drop in quality of training is inevitable if you see the class size and client turnover at a typical box. very few average CrossFitters undergo the strict guided training you cite as necessary, only the pros, and even then, not all of them. Secondly it means the image of crossfit plays center stage. It's ultimately a business and so needs to look good and successful and have a hardcore community of elite pro athletes as its ambassadors in order to advertise CrossFit as an aspirational service and appease investors. This means the incentive is now placed on hyped up comps where spectacle plays as important a role than fundamental skill. And the easiest way to ramp up spectacle of a massive sporting event is to place a time constraint so that more stuff can happen and happen faster and bigger. Thats why you get diminished form "cheat" movements like butterfly pullups (yes its a skill that is embraced as part of the discipline, but it is inferior to the strict form created to mimic it). A competition where people are doing strict muscle ups and pullups would be a slow and arduous affair unless they've had decades of training from childhood. You are conflating his critique of the rampant prevelance of of improper crossfit teaching and practice with a blanket hitpiece on the whole idea of Crossfit. You're counter arguing his points with what CrossFit is supposed to be, while he's criticizing what you agree it shouldn't be. One thing i do agree with you on is pointing out his feeble comparisons of high level calisthenics techniques and a CrossFit athlete's abillity to pull them off. That's like comparing an F1 driver's inability to fly a fighter jet. That there was just his own little dick measuring contest. I bet if he hadn't yet learned the plache he wouldnt have referenced it. In your own words " its not what you do its how you do it"
You say that CrossFit has been damaging people more than other sports, but the research I've seen shows injury rates to be on par with other sports. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28253059 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5753934/ Is there actual research showing injury rates to be higher, or is that just a parroted statement from people that don't like the movements crossfitters do?
@RECOOKER INDONESIA Pro crossfitters don't get injured from bad form, come on dude... some amateurs do, sure, but what's your point? I do crossfit and play football regularly and I've seen far more people getting incapacitating injuries from football than crossfit... many don't how to properly run, shoot the ball, jump, change directions... and suddenly bam!, you get a twisted ankle, a torn ligament etc... but you don't hear the same amount of hate at all. Long story short: everyone gets injured from fatigue, either pros or amateurs; some amateurs get injured from bad form, regardless of sport. We all do things wrong in the begining, it's normal. And it should change with time. If you have any sort of source that suggests injuries are higher in Crossfit than other sports, please shar. But I have a feeling you don't. Note: football is a contact sport. Therefore, many injures come from that, which is something that will never happen in Crossfit.
That third paragraph made me roll my eyes... That's like saying football is first of all a business run by FIFA and a sport in second. You could use the exact same logic and it would still make no sense. Isn't "Sabotage Elite" a for profit business? Sponsored by New Balance? That teaches Parkour? Does that mean you'd just grow indefinitely without regard for quality? Or do you consider yourselves to be people with enough judgement to grow steadily with regard for your students?... Profit doesn't mean lack of quality, don't make about others an assumption you likely wouldn't accept for yourselves. Now an important part: the vast majority of crossfitters will NEVER compete and are more than happy just to finish a WOD or to PR once in a while. Don't act like everyone in crossfit is a competitor, that's completely false. Flashy events are not about "crossfit" but mostly about the american ideal of putting up a show. Take it this way: - If you are a competing crossfitter, you will rarely have problems with bad form, because you are just too good. - If you are not, you won't feel as much the pressure of time or reps, and therefore your form will be less likely to break (this improving with experience, obviously) This leaves out ocasional competitors, sure. A small part of the community, and not doomed to anything by default. Note: many boxes offer mobility, weightlifting, gymnastics etc classes. You should also do your reasearch on how to improve your technique in order not to solely rely on the classes. Experience may very from box to box because people will also vary... that's not on crossfit, it's just how it is. Perhaps when Sabotage Elite starts teaching parkour worldwide you'll experience it.
@RECOOKER INDONESIA I really don't understand what you're saying. A footballer runs... that doesn't mean he wants to be a sprinter... and it doesn't mean he should either be always trying to increase speed or just quit... because he is a footballer, not a runner... Everybody "scales" at some point (mainly for good form reps(note the marks on "scales")), olympic weightlifers are not trying to PR every single training. Neither are crossfitters. And that claim about how you are always training slow fibers is completely ridiculous. Scaling doesn't mean you are not putting up more weight than when you do nothing... seriously, wtf... Do you even know what scaling is? Scaling is when you add less weight (or do a different, easier movement) than the maximum defined for that WOD, and ALWAYS assumes you are still not good for said defined maximum. This should be obvious: you don't tell a beginner to just start doing ring muscle ups, or rope climbs etc... I think you have some, non-solid at all, understanding of fitness but no understanding of Crossfit, and therefore you are just spouting random useless fitness facts mixed with ridiculous remarks that make your argument futile.
@RECOOKER INDONESIA "in fact i don't see why some people skip form just for reps." These are the kind of statements that show how oblivious people are about Crossfit. Nobody skips form for reps on purpose and nobody encourages skipping form for reps... It is true that some (I repeat, some) bad form might not be sanctioned by the refs, because Crossfit sees things as an end result. For example, if you are doing a deadlift, you are expected to have lifted the bar at arm lenght with a stretched body. If you get to this, your lift will be valid, even if you arched your back. HOWEVER... no serious competitor will do this because good form equals more weight lifted and less future strain. Don't get me wrong, you'll find videos of Crossfit competitions with bad deadlifts... because 1) some people don't know any better, which is a shame but it's people being people 2) PR'ing might lead to some loss of form even among professionals (don't tell me Oly lifters always haveabsolute perfect form, I also have youtube), and thus some competitors might not be able to handle it. 3) Those videos tend to be old, and Crossfit has come a long way from a mostly amateur fitness program to something very professional. And I bet whatver you want that those bad lifters lost in a big way. But I can't stress this enough: MOST bad form will result in a no rep; good crossfitters don't do bad form because that's not smart playing; and... NO coach will ever tell you to do bad form for reps because again, that's not smart in any way. To finish this answer: I never said you should always be doing light weights. What I said was: know your limits. If you are starting and you are attempting 45 kg after PR'ing at 40, be sure there's even a slight chance of pulling it off. If your form can't handle it, don't do it. Accept your current PR, move on, and wait for the next chance to hit 45. Some (few) guys do it and then get injured, I've seen it. That's not on Crossfit, that's on poor judgement, it could perfectly have happened anywhere else.
I would say the point is can tatoo thenix guy do it after a marathon row, or a long chipper or a swim run swim? For me crossfit training is about preparing yourself for a range of physical challenges through a variety of training methods, thats the fun! For most a but of friendly competition in the last 5-30 of a session is for fun. Its on the individual to master good form and not get sloppy. What that guy does is cool dont feel the need to bag him, not sure what he gains from his initial video other than exposure to a crossfit tag...
so basically Crossfitters in competition shouldnt listen to what the rulebook says and just follow what a guy in a youtube video says is proper form. If i were them i would listen to the rulebook, because that would help you do better in the competition. and in practice i would build more strength with different forms
You keep mentioning that it's a different sport, it's a different sport but you claim to be a crossfitter which by definition and your agreement incorporates different sports 😂. So don't say it's not your sport you just can't do it because present day crossfit has made your body so imbalanced with focus on just speed and reps
Indeed. "CrossFit is a SPORT. We use the word SPORT and the word ATHLETE. Even the various disciplines that we fold into CrossFit, we refer to all those disciplines also as SPORTS." Cool, so you amalgamated a bunch of other "sports" and made a brand new "sport" out of it. It's not a mashup, bro, it's a sport.
Why have to be a competition about what is better or what practice is “more efficient”? People : DO EXERCISE , be healthy and take care yourself choosing any activities you want !!!!! One think is the passion / engagement about your discipline , and another to speak “bad” about other disciplines just because you don’t like it ! But in general : yes calistenia guy is right 😅
This is 2 people comparing their preferred sport. It's like Rugby compared to American Football. The rules are different. The standards are different. Rugby players will try football with moderate success, and vice versa. Is one different from the other? Yes. Is one better than the other? That's a matter of opinion and not at all something that can be proven. Crossfitters love their sport just like bodybuilders love their sport. The main difference that I have seen is Crossfitters have tried the other sport and decided that it wasn't for them they don't bad mouth the other sports. Stop breaking each other down and try to learn from one another. I like the response to this video Richey!
problem with crossfitters, they cant admit the cons about their style/sport. as mentioned in Chris's video, every lifting style has pros and cons he wasnt bashing their sport. before i get to detailed my experience with weightlifting weight- 88kg 193 lbs Snatch- 110kg 242lbs CJ-150kg 330 lbs those are my best numbers at roughly 19 I am weaker now due to life,job,college haha Trained under level 3 USA weightlifting coach. I have no videos so everyone has the right to call bullshit. anyways i digress. as Chris mentioned the problem with crossfit is you want to do everything as fast as possible by greatly sacrificing form. This is due to crossfit "coaches" getting a certification in one day and all of a sudden there qualified to teach olympic lifting. It took me at least 6 months to be efficient in the snatch and clean and jerk. (some may progress faster, some slower). what i trying to say here is you have crossfitters performing the lifts with shit form... and it is the grand majority of them. Im not saying the outliers like rich froning etc.. They have had previous training from college coaches etc from collegiate sports coaches who are qualified to teach as such. when you get the average joe walking into a crossfit gym and a good majority of the time the coach has a crossfit cert... which dosent mean anything. As chris said there is no progressive stages for anything. I practiced from with a pvc pipe for about 3 weeks before i could even touch a bar and so on. Theres no attention to detail from the coaches to the students. Im not bashing crossfit, This is just one of the major cons about it.. you pay a fortune for crossfit to be taught by someone who dosent know his ass from a hole in the ground.(Not every crossfit box). Crossfit with good coaches is a great way to get in shape, everyone can agree on that. Just so crossfitters reading this dont get too but hurt heres cons about olympic weightlifiting just too show some humility. cons Awful cardio Joint pain( regardless of how good your form is, heavy weights crashing down on you every day is not good for the body.) Regardless of form the injury risk of weightlifting is quite high due to the complex motions with heavy weight. will experience knee problems from squatting ATG all the time. lol im done with my rant i think i showed my point.
Yeah, crossfit does have a real problem with it's coach certification procedures, they're basically bullshit. If you get a good coach, then you're golden, but a shit one can mess you up. There is progression, it's just not visible on the WoDs; the prescribed WoD is an ideal, achieving it as written is called "RXing it" and is apparently quite an achievement (I have no concept, I'm not a crossfitter, I'm getting this from crossfit friends), but you can substitute movements if you're not ready. For example jumping pull ups or ring rows if you can't do pull ups yet
How true, I did Crossfit for over a year, came away with a back injury. The coach had only a two day cert, olympic lifting should not be done at speed and a lot of the geberal public aren't suited to it. Crossfit isn't bad perse but I believe you need to be a highly experiemced and educated caoch to teach it. None of the wods were ever caled down, and a lot of the coaches would just beast people. I know it depends on the box, but CRossfit HQ should put a stop to bad box's.In the same way Strength Coach and SFG's have to pass rigorous training and re-certs every three years.
Idc what ppl say, the Cross fit pull-ups are stupid and waste of time. If you say there is a standard, then wow you got the lowest standard of all-time.
Omg bro I think u completely misunderstood what this is saying he’s just talking abt what eMAJORITY of the ppl see in cross fits competition and not your training and why cut out the part at the beginning when he was saying that he respects all Athletes who do cross fit and this is just his opinion wake up man
An athlete can't do some movements as other athlete can. Like a sprinter, powerlifter and callistenics athlete do accomplish different goals. That said, bad form is bad in every training. It has become a meme around crossfit because there its happening the most due to ego lifts. Anyways my point is, crossfit is good if you do it good and bad if you do it bad, just like any other training.
Wait what?! The lifts that are performed are created for a reason based off muscle anatomy and physiology...if you can’t do it then you take a step back...like the other guy said in the video...there are progressions..not cheating. This is the human body and you are doing movements those muscles ACTUALLY PERFORM...you either do the movement correctly with the proper amount of weight or you cheat and compensate. Be smart...
He literally only talked about the pull ups and the pushes ups....that’s it..both of those are not correct movements and he is 100% accurate and those are the most fundamental movements you can perform.
@@gagehaugland2164 I dont think I said something different than what you said. I was speaking in general. A movement is bad if you perform it with a bad form. Just like in any training. Edit: I clearly don't agree with people ruining form for repeties at all.
Except crossfit is bad even if u do it good. It's a joke. Half ass rrp for speed and competition. All crossfit workout formats are a joke. Completely pathetic
The video THENX made is completely misinformed on so many aspects of CF and he expects universal standards. There's nothing wrong with RICHEY being angry people are dissing something he puts an insane amount of time and energy into.
The video maybe wasn’t deliberately disrespectful but it was misguided and an inaccurate representation of a sport. If he shit on football and didn’t even know what a QB does, or hockey and was inaccurate about what an offside was people wouldn’t blink. But since it’s “working out” he thinks he has it all figured out because he can do cool body weight stuff while, he’s not even that strong or in good shape. Just looks like it.
@@ddubs43Except he clearly shows videos of crossfitters with poor form (kipping pull-ups tutorial, kipping handstand pushups, whatever the hell was going on with those crossfit competitiors on rings). It is literally people doing the sport in an official setting, not an "inaccurate representation." He even leaves a comment about how he's done crossfit and taught it for nearly 5 years. Also, "not even that strong?" Are you kidding? Dude is giving a talk while nonchalantly doing straight muscle-ups, one-arm pullups, and a fucking planche. There's even a shot of him doing a deadlift. Of the two videos, THENX did a way better job at stating an argument, presenting VIDEO evidence to back up said argument, and illustrating why said argument was relevant to the wider discussion. This video was just passive-aggressive gatekeeping as a substitute for actual arguments. THENX:*makes argument with video evidence and physical demonstration* RICHEY: "I don't understand how you X... Like Crossfit is . Therefore you're wrong."
OFFICIALTHENX lack of knowledge of the moves he was speaking of as far as origin, format of a Crossfit training session, and some straight lies makes it hard to to believe he is certified much less seen a workout by trained people. You can watch Murph at the Crossfit games and see the push-up he did was bull. I get it if you don't like something but don't lie to try to prove your point.
I stopped CF a long time ago - mostly because of the culture, not the movements. What I will say is that I think he’s taking what he see in Games athletes and think that’s what the general population is doing. Also, he’s using butterfly pull-ups to make his entire point. My old box wouldn’t even let us do butterfly pull-ups in our workouts. Also while he is right about doing things for speed May sacrifice form - 1. That’s why you can and should scale the workout for your abilities and 2. The coaches I know will literally stop you in the middle of your workout to lighten the weight if they feel you’re firm is degrading. Also weird to use stuff in his sport to prove that CF isn’t making people stronger. I’m sure he would struggle with clean and jerks, snatches, etc. because that’s not what they practice.
