The Problem With Metalheads... 

The line about missing your kid's graduation because "she's a poseur anyway"... COMEDY GOLD!!

Loyal enough to watch the reupload.

This video's message is overdue. Every metalhead needs to watch this with an open mind.

Wintersun is a meme. Dude got a sauna and expensive Aristides guitars from the kickstarters, while giving the fans only an intro song like a few weeks ago lol

I stopped caring about being a "real metalhead" when I turned 17 and realized how stuck the community is in worshiping subpar bands that released one or two legendary albums 20+ years ago

Totally agree with you. Metal is calling out BS and shining a light on some ugly stuff. If someone just wants to mindlessly follow along with whatever is going on around them, then that's not metal...that's pop.

"dont complain or youre not metal" is such a weird thing people say because a lot of metal is complaining about things that should be complained about

I agree with what you said I would just expand and say that this is true for every "fandom". Don't you think all the Swifties are not going to defend Taylor no matter what? Like that scandal that Taylor said something about helping the environment but she takes her personal jet the most causing a lot of CO2 pollution. But Taylor is a god for these teenagers People unfortunately are like that. They put their artists in a pedestal. I also wanted to point it out that people give too much credit to these greedy festival organizers. I went to the Blue Ridge Fiasco and my coworker knew I was going and she only kept in touch with Blue Ridge social media. So when I came back she said "Oh, I'm sorry your festival was canceled due to the weather right?" and I was like nope and send her some videos for her too see what really happened. She almost didn't believe it and I understand that. Can you imagine that a big festival, that have been doing something for 4 years is going to fuck up this bad? You tend to believe these big artists and festival have their shit together and are not greedy bastards. Luckily social media is exposing more and more their crap and is hard for them to lie on their PR bs. However if someone only follow their good side social media they won't see anything.

Isn't this what life has become? Navigating through a cesspool of people trying to fuck you over for profit? Think about it, what part of our lives this isn't the case? lol

I mostly listen to black metal but I don't label myself as a metalhead and I wear normal clothes every now and then. I don't need to let everyone know about the music I listen to.

This is so true! Metal is standing up for yourself & others. It is strong enough to hear the truth. And shouldn’t take any sh*t

Thank you for making this video and addressing the issue of concert ticket prices and services fee. With the new program coming out of Live Nation, there's speculation that they may start charging fans more to make up for the lack of merch fees they'll be taking and I've seen people say "well if it means the merch money will go completely to the bands, I don't mind paying extra $$$". I feel like they're missing the point that they shouldn't have to be paying more in the first place and that these CEOs are relying on their band loyalty to just take it laying down. Money is still not going completely to the band if they're charging us more at the door; it's going to the CEOs at the end of the day.

I think this is one of the reasons why I like going to small shows to support lesser known bands. Tickets are still pretty cheap, and you might get to meet some amazing local bands too. We've got Ne Obliviscaris / Beyond Creation / The Omnific playing tonight in a tiny dive bar (sorta nearby) and I already know I'm going to have a blast. 🤘😁🤘

Genuinely wouldn’t listen to prog or anything outside of classic death and thrash until recently because of how deep the tribalism was ingrained into my rotting brain. I don’t even like death metal that much lmao

Although I listen to metal sometimes, I don't go as far as to spend my life savings on band shirts, concerts, festivals, battle vests, patches, get a tattoo of the band's name, or even carve Slayer into my arms. There are metalheads who grow out of the phase, there are some who stay in it for life. I only listen to metal when I'm in the mood for it.

This video is spot on, man. Metal fans have been treated like crap and taken advantage of for a long time...

You don't see this problem in the Punk community. Wanna know why!?...Because punk is dead 😔

Compared to firearms enthusiasts, metal-heads are amateur hour.

Even though im a metalhead i will say that alot of supposed metalheads are gatekeepers who act like a asshole teacher asking how many songs you know of the band shirt you wear. Its like calling someone out makes them feel better about themselves and honestly thats just toxicity bullshit. Everyone is allow to listen to what bands they want to but cant expect to remember every song the band has created.

Love ya, Wyatt! Your style and delivery really works for me. I will def attend the First Annual Wyatt Fest" on the Moon!!

im the most metal man to ever metal, in the history of metal and you sir are a saint truth teller. love the content

We should Always Stand Up For Ourselves!! And our Metal brothers and sisters! I have ruffled feathers my whole life. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

I listen to thrash and country and I don’t care what you think

I can see you're not from Finland. Maybe in the U.S. a sauna is a luxury, but here it's something that is here in almost every house. Apartments in apartment buildings have them, many offices have them etc. It's almost like an extention to a bath room.

maybe Wintersun will start recording when they are done drinking themself to death on the money fans donated that isn't actually needed to record the album? i mean i am kinda impressed people were actually willing to donate half a million. i know some artists got a decent amount of help when they were literally hit with a natural disaster but i didn't know people were that eager to pay for an album they never really heard before. but yeah, given the fact that the local metal festival(aka Metaldays) has some questionable buisness practices and constant excuses on why they are raising the price beyond what similar festivals cost in higher income countries... yeah, i think people should call them out. also, if anyone other than the artist is getting crazy rich on the money from the music while the artists are just scraping by...well thats shitty. oh and also, yes, it should be possible to survive a festival and it is possible to have functioning toilets and showers even with tens of thousands of people. (tho lines in the morning will definetly happen)

And I am watching this twice

I appreciate this so much! You are pointing out things that shold be pointed out. It's super frustrating to se someone defend shithead bullshitters that obviously stomped all over loyal fans cos they expect them to be naive and just shut up. Keep it up, you are awesome and the humor is gold 😃

>He can't handle a tiger mauling people Pfft. Poser.

i"m new here but just subscribed. great video! i understand loyalty to bands/genres to a degree. i mean, here's an example about my "all time favorite band" and they aren't even a metal band. My all time favorite band is The Smashing Pumpkins. I immediately fell in love with the band's music back in the fourth grade in 1994 when my dad gave me a copy of Siamese Dream. That album inspired me to play drums. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness came out when i was 12 and saw me thru to the age of 15 when Adore came out. In other words, a lot of angst in that age range and I grew up listening to The Pumpkins throughout the entirety of my teen years. they were the perfect soundtrack for that first time i smoked weed, that first time i kissed a girl, the first time i got my heart broken, the first time i dropped acid, the Smashing Pumpkins were always on in the background and honestly i feel that they shaped me as a person more than any other band did. that being said, they have not put a good record out in 23 years now. i don't even listen to them anymore, except for their material up through Machina. i've given every album since a listen but OOOF they fell off hard and fast. a long damn time ago, too. other than The Pumpkins, i grew up listening to a lot of punk rock and a lot of hardcore. as i've gotten older...really, starting around the age of 25 or so, i became more of a fan of country and metal than any other genres and at 39, those two genres are definitely my main haunt. i like new and old bands. everything from Napalm Death to Job For A Cowboy. from Living Sacrifice to Knocked Loose, from DRAIN to Slayer, etc etc. (no one here wants to here what country artists i listen to but a lot of DAC, Waylon, Colter Wall, Turnpike Troubadours, and so on)...but my loyalty to The Smashing Pumpkins as my all time favorite band remains; even if i have not listened to them in a year or more, i will always call that band my favorite. the thing is, though, i can also trash talk all the material they put out in the last two decades with ease. so i guess i'm loyal and also not-loyal at the same time? 😂 anyhoo, glad to be here! can't wait for more content from your channel dude 😎

7:30-7:40 is basically the Stockholm syndrome modern iron maiden fans suffer from

I'm a metalhead, goatee check, black wardrobe check, Goto festivals, posters & back catalogue of (insert typical 20 bands). Yet listen to Ry Cooder, Blues Brothers, Staind, etc.. Why?? Because I'm a musician first & metalhead 2nd! 🤘

Lol, I don't hate wintersun for doing that. I mean it is metal as fuck to have a sauna in your melodic death metal studio

I agree with you 100%, but I tend to be more punk rock than metalhead. Went to see Sevendust (my favorite band) with StaticX and Dope last night. Made a sign saying Blue Ridge sucked to boycott it. I now have a beautiful tapestry singed by every member of Sevendust. They truly love their fans and are the most down to earth band I ever met. I am however disappointed with the bands that used to stand for something, yet didn't come out against what happened at BRRF. I won't support them in the future and I will never shut my mouth! Thanks for keeping it real🤘

Loyal to a fault to where people think Metallica still has good releases.

Can’t say I like how Metallica Nerfs their support acts by having the volume down to elevator music levels. Gojira at that volume was an insult for sure

I totally agree what you said in this video cos as for me being a Die Hard Metalhead and being a very honest dude. We got to call out the bad eggs on the sides of the Community, Band, and industry at times and come clean with them. Even get the truth out there to stand up for your fellow Metalhead Brothers and sisters. It's just we Metalheads got to think before doing the action. I do support of directly supporting the bands but always watch out for those bands who doesn't give you the Metalhead fan something in return.

Love your videos. If I may though. You should do a video about how we're all alcoholics and our hobby takes place in a bar.

The people you're talking about at 12:00 are the people who bought tickets for Power Trip. We need more Crts (Tolminator) and less Bobans (Metaldays) in this world.

Love the Blues Brothers poster !! Epic placement !

On the topic of Festivals, i was the production assistant for the Ink N Iron festival in Long Beach CA,, i defended, price of tickets, argued against the, Preferred seating etc, fought against the Merch Tax,, why your Band is charging 80$ for a Patch etc.. My point is, its doable, we got big enough to piss off Golden voice, for sure, actually had to step up, Artist who could say, whatever to them and play our completely DIY show, Why Killswitch, Suicidal, Iggy Pop, for example could play,, Lots of great Bands, got the,, Say no to Ink N Iron, or never play our events bullshit,, But, if you believe in it and the Bands you'd be supporting, it could be done,, This Modern Super Greed is insane, Trust me, Money is made, more than enough to go around...

The unfortunate truth of the world is most people stop living the metal life after they settle down and have a family, even though metal is forever, trust me I will never turn my back on the metal community and I will never stop listening to metal or rock

Nice video and great channel. I like your video making style

Calling out Järi Mäenpää and his "hardships" bullshit IS metal. Agreeing with his "I have no sauna in the studio" crap is NOT metal. I remember 2004 when Ensiferum's "Iron" came to be. It was such a nice folk metal album full of good songs with fabulous atmosphere and all of a sudden Järi leaves the band to pursue his passion of a solo career. "Okay" I thought then... and just several months later, Järi releases a very solid Wintersun album, promising to release a follow-up no later than in 2006. Wow. What's not to like? That timeframe was pretty reasonable as some bands tend to release albums after 15-years long hiatus. But come 2006, all the hell breaks loose... Now the computer can't handle Järi's über-EPIQQQ Wagnerian orchestrations with 89 layers on top of the bass guitar. The studio gets flooded. He has troubles with construction going on over the street, so the jackhammer noise intrudes into his zen-featured acid trip cocaine-induced artistic process. He has no gear capable to handle his enormous artistic endeavor. He DEMANDS A FREAKING SAUNA INSTALLED in his home studio while gathering thousands upon thousands from the Kickstarter campaign... Yeah-yeah-yeah... Year after year giant hordes of Järi fans were protecting their PRECIOUS METAL GOD from reasonable people, calling out Järi on his bullshit. Like he effing pays their bills or something. Excuse after excuse, Järi has finally managed to record and mix his super-special album called "Time I" in 2012 - 8 years after initial release and that album now consists of 30 minutes of widdly-diddly plasticky-sounding filler interludes, adding absolutely nothing interesting into the mix. Now, hear me out. Artist's block is a serious issue. No one really is immune to that. Just listen to brutally honest takes by Devin Townsend on the matter. But at least an honest, true-to-himself artist can admit he/she needs the time to overcome those inner demons before bringing something new to the table. I admire artists, whose shit smells sometimes. Nobody's perfect. Järi on the other hand thinks he's a metal GOD descended from the skies to give them plebians the metal they deserve. If those plebians consider his mediocre songwriting approach at least half decent, maybe they truly deserve what Järi is giving them. But that is not metal.

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Talking about Live Nation, the largest problem with them is that when they "support" a festival, they demand to own 51% of the shares, overriding desitions made by those that have built the festivals originally, making the festivals loose their care for the artists, staff, audience and specially the volunteers. 😢

100%% agree with you.

Not taking any corporate greed bullshit is more "metal" than not complaining... or at least that's how it used to be.

I’ve said it for years, if everyone wanted to actually see time II release, stop giving jari money.

sick video, i always look forward to your uploads

Omg the way you explained buying tickets 😂😂😂😂 you got it down perfect

Thank you for making this video and sharing this approach to the people. Not everyone says this type of stuff. I agree with pretty much all you've said, specifically when it comes to finances. People, it's okay to buy your tickets, your CDs, cassettes and Vinyls, and even the t-shirts of your favourite acts, but never stop taking care of your own life, your home, your family, your debts or your own projects. People go broke trying to be "loyal fans" purchasing everything and trying to portrait what a "true metalhead" should be. I've experienced that myself.

Kinda feel the world in general is like this in recent years. Let's say everything great and awesome, even when it ain't. Metal is about honesty and reality. It really disapoints me when i see metal fans getting screwed over or sorry, i have to go here but actually getting hurt by shit people but don't say because if you do it's not metal/you're hurting the scene etc.

Can someone explain why this Powertrip festival had such an odd (to a European) arrangement of the crowd? I'm talking about the separate squares towards the stage. I've never seen anything like it before

I sent money to Pat O' when he lost his marbles. Glad it turned out kind of okay for him after all and hope he's doing well!

Guns n Roses is a prime example of bands being greedy with their fans. That box set for AFD was so overpriced, you'd have to be a complete and utter moron to pay the asking price. GnR is a very bitter pill for me. They are the reason, back in '87, I got into rock and heavy metal, so held a special place. Still do, but it's tarnished by the sheer greed of the band, and Axl in particular. Bar any new material from the quasi-original band, he's done enough damage to the organization, that the history books won't be fawning over them, like the media currently is.

You are bang on. I went to buy Rammstein tickets for Dublin the other day and was shocked at the price. Twice what I paid for Judas Priest. I know you pay extra for the pyrotechnics but it was a third higher than I paid to see them the last time. I left it. I'd rather go to our local venue where tickets are around 20 to 30 euro. Seeing Decapitated, Evile etc... In the next few months. Fuck the extortionists.

As a teen I did wanted to wear all this metal clothes, but man it's so expensive in my country. With minimum wage being around 600 euro, paying 50 for a t-shirt is too much . I'd rather eat well then starve wearing slayer t-shirt. I just don't see why a metal shirt is 5 times more expensive than a normal shirt

Nailed it!!!!!!

How do you spot a poser in the mist lol. Gatekeepers and elitists are hilarious

At 3.50 I think it's fair to say we were all thinking the same thing. Sharon.

No they aren't loyal. I can't count the number of times I've been told they grew up or got married and don't listen to metal anymore.

Okay that was me for a long time with the multiple t-shirts multiple albums wanting to see multiple concerts and getting to see a few heck I even believed the society depicted in the original Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure might be a good idea and then something began to happen.

Loyal enough to view it 2xs. Youre a metalhead if hearing a distorted power chord gives you chills of joy and happiness 🤘😝

Keep preaching and exposing 🤘💪👍

the wintersun stuff is so funny. we need time 2 and vinyl reissues already

In music, as in life, blind loyalty never works out.

Trust me, it's not just Metal, it's anything, even not related to music, and I can tell you I was on the not-so-good end of the stick. Similar to the Gatekeepers in Metal-Land, the dying sport of Candlepin Bowling has a similar clique within it that's more of a discipline-killer than a help. These people want to spread the sport past New England, the Canadian Provinces, and a few odd locations, like the Wyoming Club in Ohio. The pro bowlers always complain about going to places where they "Juice" the lanes, where silicone is placed on the pin decks to make pins fall too easily. So I don't speak bad about a place unless they treat me like crap, and this former alley in Cambridge, MA did just that, so I let out their secret that they juiced (evident by silicone rings on the balls, even visible in my RU-vid videos from there). Now 99% of the pros are great people, one of the most sought-after is a great guy, but that lousy 1% that ruins the sport attacked me for being the BAD guy. Wait a minute, I thought you HATE juiced lanes. Why are you pissed at ME? It didn't stop there. Then came helping to sponsor a candlepin TV show, I had two run-ins with the "Pro Representation" that ruins it for those awesome 99%-ers. There was a tourney I helped sponsored that the guy running it just treated me like a 2nd-class citizen, like I didn't exist, yet I was SPONSORING their event. Never again with those idiots. The TV show itself I kept sponsoring until COVID killed the show, and the business it ran from. Speaking of that show, another event was a "Mixed Tag Team" event where the 5 best guys teamed up with the 5 best ladies in a ladder match. One thing that was known to us that we ran with taking a gamble on is the pros themselves tell us it's not a good idea to have women tourneys not because of skill, but they have a tendency to not show up. Getting half to show means you did very well. Most alleys, and even big TV shows up here in the sport's heyday gave up on them for the exact same reason (they can compete in the regular tourneys, always could). So when someone was trying to start a women's tournament, I told them not to hope for a huge turnout, because many don't show up. Guess where that "Pro-Representation" turned their ugly heads to? It got me officially banned from the Candlepin Community on Facebook, for telling the truth, and how they could possibly be wasting money. So anyway, while that happened, the "Mixed Tag Team" taping was to happen after this fiasco, only that another fiasco happened. 12 women said they'd come, 4 did. That wasn't enough for the competition, so they spent 30 minutes trying to come up with a plan b. Ultimately it was a standard tourney, and a couple women made it in. Here's a prime example where what I warned that earlier completion what may happen, happened to us not much later. People were pissed. Even bowling alley owners think I never should've been blacklisted for stating facts that even made big TV shows stop doing certain tournaments. Not just Metal, Candlepin Bowling are full of loud-mouth 1%-ers wrecking it for everyone, possibly the entire thing.

I guess in Metal there are kinda two things a bit mixed up. Its a double morality about criticism and a kind of thing which gets every metalhead to the boiling point within seconds. Metal is some kind of criticism and everybody celebrates it but if you suddenly criticize a metalheads favorite band in front of him its like exidentially opening the gates to hell. Its like the first episode from dethclok where they go shopping and the one guy throws some tampons into the cart of the other guy and asks if he´s a pussy. That parody was perfect for that comparision. But i guess thats something which gets better with the age and depending on where you are. Face to face i never had such problems but i also dont call a band bullshit in front of someone who likes them ... well and for the internet you know: for some ppl everything is allowed as long as you dont meet up in person.

Modern Iron Maiden fans is a huge problem

Bro- you keeps it real 🤟😝

It's not very genre-enjoyer to criticize genre. Great video!

YES , I. DEFINITELY AGREE! !!!

gatekeeping is not great and most of the time not clever. HOWEVER: people are allowed to have their own opinions and not be bashed for stating them. I hated the latest ghost album. I'm not walking around, telling everybody that it's "not metal". I just think the direction they took sucks. but here's the thing: there are still 3 and a half great albums + a few EPs that I can listen to. that music doesn't get worse retroactively just because I think their new stuff is ass. I saw them twice a couple of years ago and had a great time. would I pay money to go to another show? depends. if their next album is another hair metal shitfest, I probably won't. if they release an album that I enjoy or do a throwback set I most certainly will. because I decide what I do. not the fandom, not the general public. I decide what I like and what not. listen to the music and support whatever you like. art > artist. simple really

I always hate when a band starts getting over and real popular metalheads then turn their back to the band

Spot on

art.

Yeah, but tell me that "Idoit" isn't funny. Checkmate. B) (Love your content chief!)

Looking at the title I AM 🤘🤘🤘

I would rather have gone to the live tiger concert than Blue Ridge. The live tiger concert sounds kinda badass, tbh.

Yes they are

Forest seasons is better than time 1 🙃

Theres a sort of sheepish attitude with many folks...

Warbringer 😉

Spot on brother.

not loyal, just nerds.

Megadeth Ministry Napalm Death

Wait, have I supported wintersun because I bought a t-shirt. I just liked an old album. Respected his health condution and still singing. (tubercolose.) But now this story? weird. Sounds a bit like tool haha.

fix the wires on the TV. get some sun, or wear sleeves. you glow on low. 😂

No real metal fan would even go to blue ridge rock festival...

TOO loyal? Depends. Loyal to the music I like? Yeah. Loyal to my woman? Bigtime. Loyal to my family. Yep. Loyal to crushing posers and flipping canoes? Yep. Loyal to the liquor? For now! Loyal to my job? I quit a couple weeks ago! If those are bad things then I'm a bad, bad man.

Dude I agree with your video. You're fucking right. But I'm going to call you out about Wintersun. Badmouth Jari. Be my guest. Leave Kai and Jukka out of it, though. While Jari may have been sitting on a giant pile of cash donated by fans, Kai has been busting his ass since 2015 touring with Nightwish, and Jukka joined them two years ago. I don't know what the other guy is doing, and I forget his name. But Jari is the bad guy. Otherwise, good video. Thank you for pointing out facts that many people don't want to hear.

It's not only metalheds but also the rock fans, they don't accept criticism against the bands they love, if i write a comment against The Beatles or Jimi Hendrix or Metallica or Motley Crew i get angry answers like i said something against god, i love rock and metal music and a lot of other styles of music but a lot of these artists had bad albums and a lot of these artists are assholes as human beings, so i enjoy their music and i enjoy festivals but for me one thing is more important, the truth, so i can't say that St. anger is a good album because it's crap but fans of Metallica believe that it's a good album, not because it's true but because they won't say something against their idols, i mean that fans takes comments against their idols and their bands personally, i saw this year Motley Crew live at Sweden Rock Festival, their show was the worst i ever saw in my life and i saw more than 500 live shows in my life, i talked to a lot of people at the festival who said the same like me but when i read comments relating to videos of this show on RU-vid it's rare to find someone who is saying that it was awful, it's only music, nothing more, thank you for giving me a chance to write my point of view.

some are and some arent. Some of my metallica friends stayed loyal to everything they done and say things like "its just what they want to do" "its still metallica"..im like it sux though bro..Play them testament, overkill, megadeth etc.. "theyre just ripping off metallica".. you guys sux

Thy Art Is Murder fan here.. the absolute shitshow on social media over the rightful firing of Chris McMahon right now. Everything from the bigots attacking the trans community and holding him up as their champion, to disguising their bigotry by shitting on the band for firing him and rerecording the vocals. The hatred and violent comments are pathetic. Hero worship and cult of personality is a dangerous thing.

Im guessing that winter sun is some over exaggerated power metal crap. Just my opinion but that styles been over done and its cheesy af. Ive heard some amazing musicians and singers in that style but it just makes me cringe, lol. I wish i could enjoy dream theater because theyre amazing, but i cant get past the vocals. Lol. Many other bands too. Just ranting...lol. Im gonna go check winter sun out anyways. 🤘

Nailed it on the head man bravo ! Rock & Metal were always about sticking it to THE MAN. Not your fellow man...

I just call (insert band) a mascot or spokesmen that sing advertisement jingles for edgy T shirt companies. No hard feelings if their latest ad campaign (album) sucks. Same rules apply to festivals. Besides, taking this radical consoomerist meme outlook on bands piss people off, and I find it funny.

You don't even have long hair and your interior is painted white.

The answer is no, next question

is ur band from Arizona??