The Problem with MW3 Zombies - My Brutally Honest Thoughts 

When Milo pulls out the whiteboard you know it’s about to get real

off topic but Milo doesn't get enough credit for how well spoken and articulate he is with his words his passion towards call of duty zombies is unmatched

I cannot stress enough how bad Activision/Treyarch need you at these community events and even as a writer for the mode. No disrespect to dalek or Noah it just feels like you’re the only one left from that group that has no problem keeping it 100% real and speaking for the community

We *need* brutal honesty in reviews, so thank you. They almost got me when they hinted at continuing the Dark Aether storyline but then i remembered that promise being made for Vanguard. And we all saw how that turned out.

this video is EXACTLY what the zombies community needed

My one issue with the so called 50/50 players in outbreak and round based is that Treyarch made note of that, when Outbreak was the thing being updated and round based was as dry as could be with no content. Outbreak continually received updates, so we round based players would check it out and play it, rather than the months old die maschine or firebase z at the time. There is a crossover there, and many of us round based players just played Outbreak for the newest content

Dude how are you this good? As a zombies fan that started given up on zombies around BO4 and Cold War, this video is very, very well done.

It’s been really nice seeing Milo consistently acknowledging that there’s not just one type of zombie enjoyer, and that we shouldn’t shame each other for having different opinions

Milo, I’ve been watching you since the days of bo2 zombies, it is amazing to see you still uploading all these years later, you will always have a fan in me, much love Big Waffle

Yes, when they said "we would have pack a punch for veteran players" I was like, yep, they definitely think that we are stupid.

We don't know if 50% / 50% was the case since it was just something said by treyarch, not proved with specs map or something. It might be correct tho, but just at the season they observed that, because it was a new mode that everyone wanted to try and that was almost mandatory if you wanted to do the camo grind quickly. What I see, not just asking my friends but in every single twitter / reddit poll out there saying round based zombies vs outbreak, is that the 1st one wins by a lot. For me it's kind of obvious why: one is just the warzone map with zombies and some objectives from spec ops, the other one is handcrafted maps with EE, protagonist interacting, etc.

Playing Der Riese always makes me think of winter, a blanket on the couch, cold outside, warm inside. Excited to come home from work, turn the fire on, take a shower, get on the couch and hit those high rounds. That’s the feeling I want from cod zombies. Zombies was a simple formula, just being fun was enough. Transit was open world enough for zombie fans

Milo I just wanna thank you for being one of our voices in this community. A lot of us in the community have not been happy with the current state of zombies and we appreciate someone with a larger platform speaking a lot of these concerns for us

I just want some BO3/4 level depth and Easter eggs (without any dumb steps OBVIOUSLY… so don’t go cherry picking the Revelations rock step like everyone does lol)

This is honestly the best introspective look at the Zombies Community in a video I have ever seen. Milo literally breaks down and explains how it all works in tandem rather than one piece in a vacuum, which is literally not possible. I would even argue that this is a glimpse as to the inner workings of the gaming industry from the perspective of the companies. With how it affects the consumers (us/people who enjoy the content of the games) and he is absolutely right with his point on how people have been affected by this situation. This is an amazing video, Milo!

Funny how the one who wasn't invited to go to the events for this game has the most insight on the mode. Love this video style Mr. Rofl. Always the depth I require

As a hardcore zombies player since World at War. I loved Outbreak. It was something new and fresh. The thing that ticks me off is how easy games have been made these last couple of years. I remember when games actually challenged you. When you absolutely cheered after you finally got that weapon or finished that quest or finished an easter egg then got a cool cutscene. But everything is DLCs or easy content now. Im a firm believer in earning rather than just getting. Food for thought.

Hey milo, I’ve been watching you since I was a kid, you’ve been a huge part of some of the best memories of my childhood, thank you for doing what you do man, you’re the best and your voice brings my soul a certain kind of peace , cheers m8!

The glory days of Black Ops 1-3 were sooooooo amazing. I loved the EE,s and game play and I can probably speak for all the Hardcore Round Based players out there that know if it's not like old zombies... IT'S GOING TO SUCK THIS YEAR!!!

Its really sad to see the Zombies community slowly diminish and be let down year after year. Its just not 2012 anymore 😥

Did I expect an hour long video from Milo today? no, but I'm extremely happy to see it! I share the passion you have for this franchise, much love Milo.

Milo looking like he’s finally found ever secret Easter egg possible throughout his ‘searching’! 😂

This just over* 1 hour video nearing 100,000 views in under 24 hours is an amazing testament to the amount of people intrigued by Zombies as a core experience that Call of Duty provides. I truly hope I’m missing something, and this new iteration of zombies is good and enjoyable for me as a self proclaimed hardcore round based zombies enjoyer. I will be trying it, likely grinding camos (I also grind MP camos in COD). And I miss more than anything, zombies content focused on an active Call of Duty that’s currently in season.

me 10mins into this wondering why we need a full break down of the player base...

This problem of the "Attack those who Disagree problem" is not just in the zombies community. Brother it is everywhere, It is a plague that has befallen our modern life.

It is absolutely important to acknowledge that there is an entirely new group of people out there who have yet to experience the mode and should have an opportunity to be catered to, however, to completely abandon the people who basically built your entire mode up and have been loyal for over a decade now is wrong. When the new players who joined in Bo2 or Bo3 or even Bo4 joined and left, the loyal players were the one who continued to purchase the DLC and the gobblegum and keep the game relevant.

Love how you articulated this and showed everyone's sides and opinions equally. I'm definitely on the hard core round based side, not overly hyped, but I'm willing to give the mode a try even though it probably won't feel like the zombies experience I prefer (solo round based high rounds and easter eggs)

Thanks for still doing this Milo :) your videos feel like home. Watching you everyday during work keeps me going because I'm at home all day! 🐐

This is spot on. I’m a hardcore round based player and have been since bo1. The focus on outbreak is part of the reason I’ve spent so much time doing dungeons and raids in destiny 2. It’s the closest thing to a hardcore zombies experience I can find. Thanks for the video milo! Excited to watch your content on the game

You're right; The Marketing alone shot my interest in the game mode. Black Ops 4 made me lukewarm towards Zombies and CoD as a whole, and I don't trust Treyarch enough anymore to buy a game until I know for CERTAIN the mode is good. I'll wait for the next Black Ops game to see if we're getting Round Based zombies, but MW3 is separate and could be completely Outbreak like.

That shirt is such a nice throwback! As soon as I clicked on the vid and saw the white board along with the hour-long timer, I knew what I was getting into. Had to get me some coffee for this zombies board meeting lol. 🧐👍

I like Outbreak's open world feel but I love the trapped feeling of being in a traditional zombies map that is just full of secrets.

As someone who despises all battle royale games because I hate permadeath mechanics when all I want to do is spawn shoot people and then respawn when I die because just playing the game is fun and I don't care if I die 37 times in an mp match. At the same time I am a CoD veteran. Been playing the game since the WaW days and although might not be the best zombies player out there I can still comfortably make it to round 30 on most maps before I start feeling pressured (My highest is somewhere in the 80s on Die Maschine trying to get the round 100 dark ops challenge). Controversially though I think Bo3 is my most disliked zombies experience because I didn't like the more lovecraftian direction the story went in. Bo1 is by far my favourite. It just feels more pure I guess is the best way I can describe it?

If we had a stand alone zombies game like we all been asking for you could do out break and round based onslaught time-based objectives I think you could do so much with a stand alone zombie game the round based you can have old style Easter eggs and different kind of maps more like Black ops 3 + Black ops 2 and older style round-based kind of maps the newer stuff could go and outbreak and onslaught and you could do grief they could bring grief back

Advertising this mode towards hardcore round based zombies and by saying it has pack a punch, perks and a Ray gun is like advertising high end cars to car enthusiasts by saying “It has a steering wheel, windows and 4 wheels!!!! Aren’t you excited!!!!!”

in the multiplayer aspect honestly this cod looks good compared with mwii, but it's just gonna be the vanguard integration into warzone all over again. Nicki minaj + soccer players + halloween skins (evil groot gaia) running around with their 5 attachment shotgun bundles. Nah that sucks, it should've been a normal call of duty. It' shouldn't include zombies, instead it should have an alternative mode like back in the day they rotated and did e.g extinction in ghosts while treyarch developed their zombies for their turn. Nowadays they include zombies to milk the zombie playerbase since they know those players will buy it to not miss out on zombies.

I’m hardcore, but personally I like Outbreak for *different* reasons. However if Outbreak never appeared again and we only got roundbased, I probably wouldn’t care. I would rather treyarch put their energy into *evolving* the mode and *adding* to the mode we already had, instead of outright changing it’s identity as a whole. No amount of Zombies assets in outbreak will make Roundbased players like it more. And that’s just a hill I’m willing to die on.

I view the round based who don’t like cold war as a bigger group than that personally

The one thing i’m wondering if there will be so many people on the map at once won’t there be heavily difficult obstacles to the steps of the easter egg ? Or will everyone take part in the same steps? I can see how its possible but i just think it’ll be difficult with everyone on top of eachother and getting in the way where as having the 4 player team will make it easier to communicate, work together and accomplish the objective still grounded hope but it just wonders in the back of my mind

I’m in that old building player category. One of my happiest moments was completing the moon Easter egg. I can’t remember which game but I also had fond memories of the versus mode within the transit map. Friday night zombies with a friend. Oh how the time flies

There are alot of factors to this problem. The main one is hardcore zombie fans (like me) don’t like change. Not because of the fear of changing something that works, but the fear of changing something that will not improve upon what worked in the first place just to appease to a wider audience. Then once the company succeeds in bringing in a new (casual) audience, then said audience states that they love this new iteration of zombies without even playing or knowing what it used to be or rather what it’s supposed to be. This is where hardcore fans start getting their pitchforks. Then that spawns the fear that this new iteration of zombies will be the present and future and the hardcore audience will refuse to accept that. The company (Activision) should be at fault for changing everything into a “warzone” environment and creating such a toxic community.

Milo, you hit it right on the head. I'm a casual player of COD. Love zombies story. Putting in only an hour or two a week. Some Easter eggs are hard for me but still love playing the game. Cold war helped me get my confidence up on zombies. I enjoy both sides. Enjoy the videos you do and keep them going!

I think it's also about the goal for the day. Like we enjoy both depending on who we are running with. My nephew is 13 and we JUST this summer did AW Exo Zombies and so round based doing the Easter egg was exactly what we wanted. Then we did BO4 EE. (Thank you for those guides!!!) But when he's not with us we also love running some Outbreak

Glad you’re back on my algorithm!! Keep it up the good work. loved the hour video 🎉

I think Treyarch might keep zombies roundbase narrative driven game mode to black ops related games and they will try introducing this warzone zombies kind of mode to modern warfare with an alternate kind of story I believe.

IMO, Treyarch should just try consulting people like Milo and content creators that honestly know the game mode and what we as fans want more then them at this point

Why can't people just understand that, those ''Easter Eggs'' are just missions to continue Zombies story, Ascension, Shangri La, Moon and BO2 Zombies and BO3 zombies had only missions that required certain things to be done to progress in Zombies story, this was a very indirect form of telling story. Call of Duty Zombies hasn't had a proper Easter Eggs for a very long time, and what I mean with Easter Eggs, is random interesting stuff that has nothing to do with Zombies mode itself.

Okay now time to start the video over and pay attention this time as I was distracted by your biceps haha

Milo pulling out the whiteboard? Well shit, it must be Christmas.

Took me 20 minutes to realise this video is an hour long lmao. Milo really spoils us!

As a former zombies fanatic, I can confidently say I am done playing zombies. Treyarch already made peak zombies in the black ops trilogy.

The thing is, I played Round Based and Outbreak in Cold war but massively preferred Round based and wouldn’t have bought the game for outbreak so how much weight does that cold war stat actually hold? 🤔 Is that an even number of hours played, or just counting anyone that played it once?

Like I remember playing Kino the first time. I literally bought the shotgun off the wall and camped behind the table next to the door that took you to jug. But since then I’ve met a lot of people and a lot of amazing memories, fact I’ve even got a channel dedicated to the game mode. So overall zombies has shaped a lot of things. I do hope that we do have round based maps again or even do what Cold War done by having the two.

The problem is not that there is no roundbased, it’s the lack of original zombies maps

Great video dude, I'm "mid-core?" Enjoyer of both type, so I'm interested to try mwz, but I wouldn't be opposed for more round maps either

I’ll be honest. Speaking from a person who grew up with BO1 & BO2 Zombies; I like round based and outbreak almost equally. The problem I’m having with MWZ is them barely listening to any quadrant you have on the board. There are loads of great changes and additions Cold War made and it seems like Activision wants to implement the ones that will be easier to monetize the community as a whole. The fact they basically neutered solo, and are modeling this after DMZ; they’ll likely be milking our wallets dry with micro transactions. Just my thoughts

the fact that a warzone map copy and pasted is good enough for the community nowadays is exactly whats wrong with zombies

Thank you for making this but wasn't the whole thing with round based and outbreak being split in popularity just not really true at all? Wasn't that during the outbreak free weekends and wasn't outbreak being played by many to farm weapons? Wasn't the idea that outbreak was equally as popular as round based around a specific point in time rather than a general popularity over the course of Cold Wars life?

You are such a great person , much love for making this video and giving me a whole different view of Zombies and opinions of the mode , Thank you ❤️

I love doing the easter eggs and try and get to a high round, I like having something to work towards

This was an awesome video. I really enjoyed the laying out of everyone’s perspectives and I feel like no one else really acknowledges people outside the hardcore round based enjoyers as it were. I’m somewhere in the middle between casual and hardcore. I enjoy round based and outbreak. So I’m in the camp of seeing how it goes. I’m giving it a good shot because it looks cool. Keep being awesome, Milo.

I think this video really does help an old timer like me (been playing since BO1). I know there’s no round based but Treyarch treating the old school zombie players like we are idiots was irritating when they talked about common things like perks and pap. I’ll have to see more to give a better judgement toward it for the zombies.

Loved this long video a lot Milo. I'm a hardcore player but knew straight away it wasn't RBZ so just getting anything zombies to tie us over till 2024 I'm all for it. Enjoyed dmz but got sick of the cheaters constantly!

I resonated with saying that I was a hardcore RBZ enjoyer when you said that you probably looked up RU-vid videos about cyphers and the lore, my favorite part as a kid was going to bed and watching lore explaining vids on all the radios and EE’s

For some reason, I think that the best zombies moment (and probably the only one that was THAT exciting) we had in the last 5 years or so, was that journal from Samatha in Cold War, talking about seeing a lost boy in her dream. Idk if anyone else remembers this, Milo made a video about it as well and it was, I think, the closest thing we 've had to the old zombies feeling, especially about the story. I remember it gave me so many goosebumps. Other than that, maybe Richthofen's final reveal in Cold War was an exciting zombies moment? But tbh, we saw that coming from a mile away. I'm pretty sure these are the only top tier zombies moments we've had in zombies in the last 5 years at least and that's.. kind of alarming.

You explained everything so perfectly. This video was such a joy to watch. Hardcore round based enjoyer here, but I'm open to new experiences. If they can extract what made round based so fun and mix even a little bit of that in with the new stuff then I could see myself coping for another year

Thank you for speaking for us Milo, I’m one of those Rbz guys who wished they had no zombies this year so that they could focus on next years zombies!

8:15 I could not agree more with this false perception you mentioned. My dad is 55 and played a ton of Outbreak. I was shocked to hear from him that, even though he'd play it for an hour or two every day, his first time finding the RAIK84 was weeks and weeks after the mode released, and he didn't even know there were other wonder weapons that you could get because he wasn't spamming the mystery box. The casual experience for zombies, or really for any game, is something that's extremely hard to picture what it's like if you're a more invested player.

Chaos died for this.

Thanks for the video Milo, me and a friend had a discussion recently about this topic and you just perfectly and clearly described the feeling we tried to express in way more words, been following your No-nonsense guides since Bo3 and I look forward to many more.

I will not be preordering this if there is no round based zombies. I don’t care for Warzone or DMZ. I just want good old round based back.

I dont think it's fair of Treyarch to claim a direct divide between the two modes when people who enjoy what zombies was are just waiting for a game that isn't awful by playing older ones. I feel that on bo3 alone, there are tons of players whom weren't accounted for just because they were tired of the unupdated rbm. As with a lot of people I've talked to, 2024 is the last chance to get it right for the real majority. It would be cool to see them continue the open world one just like they are with warzone, separate from the game in a way for those who are interested and still delivering on rbm.

Gahh I wish I had irl friends with this much passion for games. Side note: Please! More long form vids like this!! I really enjoyed this. Especially the crazy man on the white board. More stuff like that lol ❤

This is a crazy good way to decipher the zombies community and how the fans would react. But I must ask. Will this be on the test?

They should’ve forced all of us after 30 minutes to band together for one exfil and you either have the weapons to defend or you die and don’t make it on the exfil.. 30 player each doing they’re own thing to get guns. Then 1 exfil where we all 30 players defend for 15mins.. 15min of everyone holding the trigger down & watching each others backs till exfil lands… I’m talking Mustang & Sally trigger pull till I’m 10 seconds from a seizure or the exfil lands lol. That would be sick..

👏👏👏 how he keeps his optimism and respect towards some people is beyond me! This channel is my one and only for COD zombies! Keep up the great work Milo!

The only way Activision is getting another dime from me is if they drop a new zombie map for Black Ops 3.

I’m in the middle of both. I like round based due to the story and the ester eggs but I also like outbreak because of the free roam and different world bosses.

It's not profitable to the company to worry about putting certain resources into player retention when they can invest in player onboarding and get more of a return. This may be what they be cashing-in on?

Anyone else notice how many times he said hardcore... haha. Love this video and love Waffles he actually emailed me back when i first started youtube. Such an underrated youtuber! Keep up the great work!!

Thank you for making this video Milo. I appreciate you trying to meld this zombies Civil War in the community. I love this community and have been apart of it for 10+ years and I’d go probably into the hardcore Outbreak community by your ruling standard. Even though I’ve played and commented on round based content for years I really like the idea of Outbreak and want to see more of that. I’m thinking the mode is actually going to be good and am giving it an 8/10 and it was honestly surprising to see you give it a 7. I saw CodeNamePizza’s early impressions of it and he gave it an 8 which was nice to see you both speaking positively about MWZ atleast early on so far. Hopefully soon this zombies civil war can die down and we can all just enjoy what we like instead of digging into each other. Much love man ❤️

A no-nonsense guide to the state of the zombies community has definitely been something we need!

Love how Milo is rambling about Zombies and I’m here “I am THAT Duck”

I hope it does well, am I sad that it’s not more like bo3? Kind of. But I hope it’s fun to hop into once and awhile. I felt like they lost the direction they had for bo3 long before this game but now I don’t think it will every be back. All I wanted was more boss fight like you found in zet but more mechanics base. Round base used to have objectives, but now it feel like they took tens steps back .

As someone who kinda fell off after black ops 4, I'm happy to see that people are still getting into something that was a huge part of childhood/ teenage years. For anyone who's going into MW3 for zombies I hope you enjoy it and find time to enjoy your hobby.

Great Video Milo!!! Love how your approaching the mode with some optimism because of your love for Zombies! Treyarch are lucky to have fans like you!

Couldn't you integrate round based zombies into the new zombie mode? For example you could go to some area and decide to take up a challenge. Then the area would become restricted and transform in a typical zombie map with rounds. This way you could please both groups.

Loved the video milo! Completely agree tho. I would put myself in between enjoying hard core round based and an outbreak enjoyer. What are your thoughts on the fact they might be adding pvp to the zombies mode?? I am honestly against it. For me zombies is my happy place where i dont have to sweat hard against pvp demons, and i think it could actually ruin the mode. Would be curious on your opinion?

I loved Outbreak, but having a time based, outbreak style mode as the only option at launch is not only a terrible idea short term, but as we saw with Vanguard, it will damage the game in the long run. Also, the devs CAN make it work given how many studios and devs have their hands on this game. Activision either won't let them or wants to focus on making every mode more like Warzone.

As a hardcore player all the way from Nacht, I really enjoyed the Cold War and outbreak experience. That being said, I think MW3 Z loses its “intimacy” with all the extra players. Personally I feel like I’m joining a lobby instead of investing my time with friends or a small amount of randos for up to hours. Round based has this unique team feel especially if you’re going to attempt a EE together. This zombies mode just gives me Travis Scott Fortnite concert vibes

Crazy how far we came with this channel 😊

My favorite thing to do in zombies and my main replayability factor is making looking for group posts to help people do easter eggs and specifically help teach them the stuff in zombies and how to do smaller scale stuff as well like wonder weapons. So there's literally nothing for me in this mode

I like this sifter of nuance arc you've been on lately. Keep it up.

It's so awesome that the last few years all Activision online services have been beyond dangerous for everyone to play, and yet they keep removing options to safely play the games. It's absolutely unreal that they are still such a large titan of a corporation because of the sheer incompetence and negligence.

i personally still feel like mw3 zombies is just dmz with zombies or dmzz, which kinda makes activision look lazy. also kinda dumb not to have the traditional round based zombies tbh.

I know us hardcore fans of the original mode aren't the majority when you include all the causal players, but I would literally pay like $1000 for a standalone game that focuses on the original formula.

Something not considered for the outbreak hardcore are the people that like round based, but knew from the numbers that Outbreak was better for weapon xp for your time than round based.

I've reevaluated my personal view on how I'd describe my zombies fanhood. Always been a huge story fan but definitely more casual of a player. Love watching people play tho, always

Holy damn you nailed it perfectly. I have know about zombies for years but didnt try it until cold war. And when i was presented the choice between stressful round base and bit more lax outbreak i chose outbreak. Then gradually i started with round base did all easters eggs(watched your guides duh) and then when forsaken came out i decided to try the previous zombs.

I think extracting wonder weapons can be ok because of the match timer, if it was an endless mode lets say instead of rounds they implemented a timer so you can see how long you survived then extracting wonder weapons would be OP but if youre on a roll and doing well and loving your setup it would suck to have it all ripped from you because of a timer