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Brady teams up with paper conservator Richard Hawkes to look at some of the problems facing precious old documents. More on 23andMe: www.23andMe.com/Objectivity
Featuring Brady Haran talking with Richard Hawkes in his studio.
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@mojosbigsticks 6 лет назад

“It looked like the sort of book described in library catalogues as 'slightly foxed', although it would be more honest to admit that it looked as though it had been badgered, wolved and possibly beared as well.” T Pratchett.

@MrSkrillaka 6 лет назад

@snoozleblob 6 лет назад

I finally understand it now. xD

@band-o-lear 6 лет назад

There's also the reference about "Slightly foxed and extremely dragoned" from Guards! Guards!

@johnchancey3941 6 лет назад

No lie - I think this is one of the most interesting Objectivity videos of all time. Would love more on this subject!

@Nilguiri 6 лет назад

3:07 Classic Brady's trademark pointing!

@EmilHarder 6 лет назад

Very very interesting to learn a little about the conservators work. I really like your style of interviewing. Kind of both asking questions and presenting the object. Thanks!

@sam08g16 6 лет назад

Brady is an amazing interviewer. He consistently asks spot on questions which are relevant, interesting and trigger additional information exposure from the interviewee. One of my favorites is "what's it like being an astronaut and having not been in space?" - The Unflown Astronaut, Sixty Symbols.

@jinkiesjess155 6 лет назад

I work in a museum and I KNEW tape would be on this list. Aside from tape, another way people think they're helping to preserve a document (but really they're not) is by laminating it.

@EleetCanoe 3 года назад

Sorry for the two-year old reply, but how does lamination hurt paper? Shouldn’t lamination plastic be inert or whatever?

@LightoYagasamiSan 6 лет назад

3:14 Brady casually pointing at stuff ... classic.

@kliop00023 5 лет назад

is he feeling it?

@ekner 6 лет назад

This was great! Wealth of knowledge, brilliantly presented. Richard could come round for tea and talk paper chemistry for hours and I'd hang on to every word.

@threedividers 6 лет назад

This is a great example of an utterly fascinating video that I would not have clicked on were I not subscribed to this channel and determined to watch every single video that Brady produces. Who knew paper conservation could be such a rich subject? (Aside from conservators and archivists, that is.)

@UpcycleElectronics 6 лет назад

(*18th century) •"Help I'm a destitute starving artist." (Time machine appears/person gets out) °"I'm from the future and I'm here to solve problems." •"will work for food" °"Quit using wood fiber board, and acid ink." •"... *will work for food* "

@PinkChucky15 6 лет назад

This is really interesting, I’ve always wondered how all those old documents are kept and/or restored.

@Jesse__H 6 лет назад

Me too! I think Paper Conservator could be a pretty rewarding career...

@mat5473 3 года назад

He keeps talking about immersing paper in water as part of the treatments and I wish you had asked the question "But Richard, doesn't water ruin paper??"

@pralhadshenoy5901 6 лет назад

Holy lord! I did not expect him to know so much of chemistry!

@Lauraphoid 6 лет назад

Why not?

@pralhadshenoy5901 6 лет назад

@5roundsrapid263 6 лет назад

His job is to stop or reverse the chemical reactions in paper and ink. I would hope he knew a lot of chemistry.

@brandonwinstead7137 6 лет назад

This is awesome. I love the work you're doing shedding light on these important fields.

@JustinZymbaluk 6 лет назад

Absolutely incredible. I'd love to see more of this work

@Malandirix 6 лет назад

This is such an amazing channel.

@thejumperkin 5 лет назад

Awesome insight. Especially loved the details of the reactions taking place in relation to the changes to the paper.

@Chlorate299 2 года назад

It's kind of interesting how ink and paper seems to be a good way of storing information in the *very* long term.

@EladLerner 6 лет назад

I really liked this episode of Brady Pointing At Things. Where will Brady point at things next?!

@SanMartianRover 6 лет назад

Brilliantly interesting.

@Varksterable 6 лет назад

Came to this chanel via numberphile, and there via wtfk, but Objectivity is getting me serouisly hooked. So much interesting stuff, great presentation, brilliant editing, and just a sheer diversity that every video surprises me all over. There are many videos where I look at the title and think; 'Nah, I'll pass on that one.' Sometimes I check them out anyway. I'm usually wrong; all of it is engaging, entertaining and informative. Great stuff, and a great big thank you for enriching our lives.

@Varksterable 6 лет назад

Plus, the contrast of Brady's sensible, curious questions vs Keith's unflappable, calm, and knowledgeable answers is gold.

@Bladavia 6 лет назад

Very interesting, this is a kind of work I would love to do

@BruceGrembowski 6 лет назад

Great video, James, Brady, and Richard! Kind of meta-objectivity, in a twisted way.

@ZeedijkMike 6 лет назад

I have said it before - but I'm saying it again. You guys are the best.

@BigAirWindJam 6 лет назад

Finger flourish around 6:58? What's up with that Brady?

@sooooooooDark 6 лет назад

on the surface it sounds like a dull job but if u then hear about all those different elements that r required to do it right u r like ":O"

@RonJohn63 6 лет назад

You should do a segment on The Problem With Popplers.

@Jeremy0459 6 лет назад

I used to work in a research archive and worked with items that were hundreds of years old. However, the most fragile thing I ever worked with were some WWII era reports that were on wood pulp paper. All the edges were disintegrating and some of the pages were almost bright yellow. I guess they just used cheap paper at the time not thinking anyone would ever bother with it in the future.

@Hauketal 6 лет назад

Jeremy0459 Maybe it also depends on the process of bleaching. At that time chlorine based bleaches were often used, starting an acidic dissolution of the paper. Today they substitute chlorine with oxygene, making even wood pulp paper much more stable.

@Jeremy0459 6 лет назад

That's very possible. I really don't know too much about the paper that it was printed on, other than that it was in particularly poor condition. Also I don't know what the storage conditions were like before it was acquired for the library. Being a military report created during war I image they might not have been that great.

@hamgelato8143 5 лет назад

brady's papercut

@timothygalvin3021 5 лет назад

Am I the only one who freaked out on the multiple occasions that he actually ripped the document he was talking about?

@SlyPearTree 6 лет назад

I have mixed feeling about that kind of work, on one hand we get to enjoy the original for a longer period, on the other hand it stops being the original little by little. I'm also intrigued by how future conservationist will work with the various type of media we currently use to record information.

@jackbulkley6005 6 лет назад

I am wondering if modern iron gall inks have the right balance to avoid the problems mentioned.

@NomadUniverse 6 лет назад

Hemp can do so many things. It is by far the most versatile plant we have. Yet greed and ignorance continue to stand in the way of prosperity. One day. One day...

@mariolover2222 6 лет назад

some of the links in the description are broken. I'm guessing it's a copy paste issue.

@phampton6781 6 лет назад

4:36 Isn't it interesting how in bygone days of the era shown in this photograph, literally everyone wore a hat. Men, women, it's like you were naked without one.

@mybabyisretardid7634 5 лет назад

Before yo do ANYTHING to it, you got to make several high-res scans to capture its original state and image.

@Lauraphoid 6 лет назад

Really interesting subject. I wan't to be a conservator now.

@jangoofy 6 лет назад

Wondering if all this knowledge is being put into good use for books and paintings made now, for the conservator in 2450 AD to deal with..

@TheyCallMeNewb 6 лет назад

Are modern paper dyes conducive to preservation?

@Knight_Astolfo 6 лет назад

Weed could have saved literal history!

@eaterdrinker000 6 лет назад

...but a loss of short-term memory! [No, I'm not anti-weed, though I'm also not an avid smoker.]

@Chrizzletrizz 6 лет назад

Hi! FYI: I followed the link to order a T-shirt, but the link didn't work... I will have to use my Google-Fuu :-D

@SkullCollectorD5 6 лет назад

Now, I'm sure simple copies are regular routine to preserve the raw information of the piece, but is there any merit to just abandoning the original entirely for the sake of clarity and permanent preservation? There's something enamouring about original art and documents, but ultimately it's about what's on the carrier, not the carrier material itself, isn't it?

@qwertyman1511 6 лет назад

SkullCollector incomplete information problem? We will probably lose information by abandoning originals because we cannot say with 100% certainty we have all the information. people did not used to be able to few previous layers of painting for instance. Those would have been lost if we did what you propose earlier.

@qwertyman1511 6 лет назад

SkullCollector also, certain experiences can not be properly stored. For instance, colors exist which can not be displayed on commercial screens.

@SkullCollectorD5 6 лет назад

That's a good point. Eventually copies of copies will have degraded enough to render the original info if not destroyed but incomplete, yeah. I just think spending time, effort and money on, for lack of a better word, mundane objects could be better spent studying, then copying it. Works of art are outside this, I'd assume.

@michaelcollins966 6 лет назад

This attitude of conservation over restoration has been accelerated in recent times with technological developments that allow us to garner more from historical artefacts than was previously thought possible. Hence, this conservation is 'future proofing' in a way.

@growlwn143 6 лет назад

Actually, an option in preservation of paintings or fresco's is taking the painting layer and transferring to another carrier. This can be done when either the painting or the carrier are too brittle or damaged to preserve the artwork in a qualitative manner. That said, as the person above me stated, you do lose a valuable amount of data on the piece when doing so and executing such a procedure should be avoided if possible. Additionally, not all types of art lend themselves to such treatment. With paper for instance, the medium is often too fused with the ink because the paper acts as a sort of binder. This ensures that you cannot remove the paper without the ink.

@robbiekavanagh2802 3 года назад

5:01 wait... what?

@sjdpfisvrj 6 лет назад

I guess this is down to the owner of the document, but those shown here seemed almost improved by the aging.

@roderickwhitehead 6 лет назад

industrial hemp production in the united states is going to make a comeback soon.

@Nilguiri 6 лет назад

But hemp a schedule 1 drug, like heroin, crystal meth, cocaine and bath salts! It has no useful properties and just looking at it will give you reefer madness. At least that's what most US politicians will tell you!

@Lauraphoid 6 лет назад

Hemp clothes and papers are nice, so I would hope so.