The Quake Postmortem: The End of the Original Id - John Romero 

even the audience looks a little ticked off when the camera passes by them in closeup

LOL yeah wtf.

Agreed what the Hell were they thinking?

here's another version of the talk ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zAC4_ID8quY.html

Agree, I am very annoyed and disappointed about that. :(

Same but im a bit younger Alls i can assume is the crowd is filled with egotistical people in their mid 20s to thirties.

@@Fractal_blip a Swedish audience can be really into a speaker but the room will be dead silent - just because a crowd isn't screaming their heads off doesn't mean they don't appreciate the speaker. Cultures are different.

@@PixelThorn Agree. This was shot before German audience, and they are just not very shouty. When they keep silent during your talk, it means they are absolutely fascinated. And asking questions after talks was never our biggest strength :D

Same! 👍

luicecifer make sense now

@Axion That's the "first time ever at a conference" talking about Quake. What do you mean he done it so many times?! People are not excited, because they are not fans of ID software and half of them were not even born when the game came out.

There's 2 separated things on it: one is the game that everybody love and play, other is the people behind it. I'm an "old" cough cough "gamer", but heck, look to the man. He's tired. Knows things. There's plenty of issues on the betweens. He barely made anything recognizable after Quake.

This is completely normal behaviour for a German audience. Also, clapping in unison.

@@leonardozimbres I guess he sort of funded Deus Ex.

@@will5948 Not so sure, but, there's some interesting brief things on "Masters of Doom". Like, it says that the Deus Ex devs were more on a "by the book" setup, and Romero... was Romero. I would love to know more about those contrasts.

Blame it ALL on Tim Willits! Kinda joking, but apparently he was going a little psycho setting coworkers up for failure in an attempt to gain power/respect for himself in the eyes of John Carmack, or something... I heard this from Sandy Peterson recently, not sure if it's true exactly. What seems very obvious now is they were all under a ton of stress and we all can go a bit crazy and make mistakes in situations like that. To simplify it all though: John Romero, like Tim Hall, left iD due to creative differences

Grudge for what?

@@hadleymanmusic Apparently John Carmack was responsible for John Romero to get fired from id software.

Carmack strikes me as the kind of person who has no filter or social tact, he always say exactly what he feels quite bluntly and this is inevitable to burn bridges with people.

I mean this was kinda a hard time of his early life.

Or it could have been compete shit like daikatana

If it makes you feel any better at least it gave us Team Fortress

There was alao a snake in the team who was driving a wedge between other members.

@@MasterVSB No kidding.....almost EVERYTHING was running on the Quake engine for a couple years there

@@MasterVSB Especially Call of Duty, with the modified Quake 3 Engine being used for that game. The forked engine that would be known as the IW Engine would then be used for the Call of Duty Franchise until Infinity Warfare.

You gotta understand a key point on why Romero left. When you are under continued stress, it will bring out the worst in peoples behavior. I can guarantee that that was one of the issues. To go from a great team with high energy to not even talking to each other is really big problem. I can also guarantee that they, (maybe not all) but definitely Carmack and Romero, were suffering from LSD....Lead Singer Disease. You have seen it happen in the music industry time and time again. Van Halen and the Police are just a few examples. They are so good at what they do that they think they dont need the others in the team. Ego's were running 10/10 Im pretty sure and that is a recipe for disaster. Think about spending every waking moment with only your friends/co-workers under deadline stress. It would be very bad and that is the end result. I can do this plus im a programing God. I dont need them anyway. I can see why he left. Toxic atmosphere. Cheers.

Carmack did a recent podcast with Lex Fridman where he opened up a bit more about his relationship with Romero. He says positive things about him and it sounds like they have reconciled to some extent and have had recent contact. Here's the clip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_D5cwq4HVXc.html

@@iyziejane I just read about this last week. Carmack admitted that the way they dismissed him was immature. I'll check your video out soon, thank you.

He was playing deathmatches more than working iirc

Creative differences. From what I understand, Romero fought hard for Quake to be a different type of game (basically Daikatana) and wanted to push hardware. Since it took about a year for Carmack to develop the Engine, the team was growing super frustrated and impatient since they sometimes had to scrap work because they were designing levels for a game that has no groundwork. Romero wanted to leave because he was disappointed that the team didn’t want to experiment with new gameplay styles, and Carmack probably wanted Romero out because he was growing tired of hearing Romero keep fighting the team on this issue, and everyone was already so tired since they’ve already been working on the game for a year and a lot of it got trashed. This was the longest development of any Id Software game thus far. No game took over a year yet to develop, not even DOOM. By the end, everyone was tired and most of the OG big players that worked for Id since it’s inception left to go work on bigger things. Keep in mind, I’m not an expert in this stuff. I believe Romero mentions some of this in Masters of Doom & in the Matt Chat interview he did. Any Id buffs feel free to correct me. :)

design is king

@@turboturd719 Thanks for the context! I will try to find some relevat MattChatt. Unfortunately, I believe that it will be difficult to find "the truth" on this one, but I will try.

"Masters of Doom" is a good read. Built upon interviews with all involved. Get this book, I mean it. It's facinating. You'll see every detail as to why the polar opposite dynamic that made Doom so great was what destroyed the company when those opposing values were scaled up to a bigger project. Also, according to recent info from Sandy Petersen, there was a guy, Tim Willits, fanning the flames by pitting everyone against each other to make himself look better.

These are not American's throwaway maps, they were part of a map jam in 2014: www.quaddicted.com/reviews/func_mapjam1.html

Please elaborate if you could, on what you mean lol.

@@Fractal_blip In 1996 when I would play an MP3 on Windows 95 it slowed the computer to a crawl. You couldn't possibly play a game while playing an mp3 on a medium powered pc of the time, except maybe the card game solitaire or minesweeper. Even if dos was much faster for gaming at the time than WIndows, an mp3 decoder would still be quite ressource hungry and would impact the game performance significantly, especially for an new advanced 3d game such as Quake, Highly doubtful that he was talking specifically about the mp3 format (small size, complex compression, "hard" to decode), but of another similar encoder to put the music on the cd in a digital way, probably bigger in size and slightly lower sound quality, but much faster to decode than an mp3. After all, on a CD the size of a file was almost irrelevant in 1996 (SO MUCH SPACE! OMG!). Saying mp3 is much easier to understand for all, and he probably takes a shortcut here for the flow of the talk. But yeah, highly doubtful that a "real" .mp3 was ever really considered to be put on the CD, but putting a digital version of the song? Most likely. Like John Romero said, it would this way be played even without the CD in the drive. Why bother to fetch a CD when all you're missing is the music? /sarcasm... but unfortunatly true for most. :/

Probably music company didn’t want their ip freely distributed

@@mathieugrenon8408 You're probably right. Even for Quake 3, in 1999, when MP3s were now common, audio files were still 22khz wav files. But in saying MP3, it all comes with a stigma of piracy and stuff, which really didn't existed (that much) in 1996. I mean, if you had the choice you'd be copying music on tapes! :)

@@mathieugrenon8408, in the year 1998 we didn't have any problems with playing mp3s (winamp) and Quake 2 simultaneously on an average PC.

Right? Considering he was the main brains.

@@Fractal_blip Romero is awesome too. But I think that together they made an incredible team.

@@paniczgodek for sure, i mean, romero is the one talking about all this stuff, whereas it seems carmack is more into himself and thats ok too. Im a romero fan if i had to choose a side

I have been digging aroind a bit and my conclusion is they two didn't part ways as good friends. Even if they tried I believe Carmack and John would refuse.

@@PixelThorn I picked up on that myself

id's games were also on consoles as well. most gamers know what doom is even if they never played it on pc.

Naa, this is more the reserved german croud. If they stare in silence at you, you have their utmost respect. And asking questions is not really our strength ;D

@@luicecifer same with Swedish crowds.

luciecifer I live in the US, and I can attest to the fact that unless brash, crude displays of approval are given out at public events, then people feel like nothing is happening, or that they aren't being a good audience...

Saying that the new people are from console era is retarded, it’s been around before id software if you do some research. If you wanna be accurate most of the new people are probably fanboys that doesn’t have any clue what makes a game fun.... (For example: cod community)

The Death Row of videogames, except nobody got shot.

What do you think when people say Painkiller (from 2004) is the spiritual successor of Quake 1?

Honestly Quake by the end of development was just another Doom

@@evdestroy5304 It was a doom clone not another doom, it was no more doom than any other 90's fps. The level design in Quake was something Doom could never do until Doom 3.

Quake 1 was actually a pretty dumb derivative single player game, it was only popular because of multiplayer. Everyone agreed the single player campaign was boring in 1996. Quake 2 is actually a vastly more fun single player game, it actually sold better than Quake 1. Quake 3 is a masterpeice, possibly the very best FPS videogame of all time ever still loved to this day.

@@Wobbothe3rd Yeah that's a hard cope.

The book Masters of Doom kind of explains it.

MadMaxBLD Eh, haven't read it. Maybe I will someday. Thanks for the fill-in.

Romero was "playing" too much and not working 20 hours a day like John Carmack was

From a lot of accounts Romero was into being a Rockstar (doing all the media and all that) and very bull headed with his ideas. This led to Carmack and others feeling like they put in all the work just for Romero to show up and fight them on the work they just did because it wasn't what he wanted to do. Really creative differences for once actually boils it down pretty much accurately. Romero wanted to make super ambitious games that pushed new ideas for better or worse. And Carmack wanted to push current technology forward using tried and true methods. Classic story of one being a risk taker and the other not. But at the end of the day that blend of personalities is what made doom and quake special. Without Romero there's no 'life'. A Carmack game is just about the technology and game play. Without Carmack though there's no actual game. A unchecked Romero has too many ideas for his own good and it turns into a mess. They needed each other.

@@Wellnow123123 Carmack has gone on to continue his vision with consistent grace, leaving Romero behind forever stuck on an old polygon like that badly design escort mechanic in Diakatana

biggest mistake

@@karlmehltretter2677 Yeah it seems the overwork mode did panish ID Software i can only imagine how hard it was for them, still they will be remembered by their games.

Yeah but most people didn't have the CD in the drive after a full install. Interestingly, the 7-11 paid shareware version had the full soundtrack on the CD, now that I think about it that's probably WHY it cost money...

@@Wobbothe3rd 7-11 paid shareware?? i have no idea what you're talking about.

@@TimConceivable You could buy the Quake shareware version which only had the first episode at 7-11. As the other guy mentioned it had the soundtrack.

@@sebastiangorka200 okay, cool. what i was trying to point out is that "paid shareware" doesn't make any sense. shareware by definition is free. but also i didn't know you could buy Quake at 7-11s. that's pretty wild.

Same here! We love him because he’s part of our childhood with those gems like Doom and Quake...

Gay.

@@bwf1046 I'm not because I said I'm not 👍

I never liked Quake too, but it was Romero who wanted it to be "lovecraftian horror" so maybe he's the one to blame for brown. After he left they made Quake 2 which is more sci-fi and colorful.

Multiplayer beg to differ. Especially QuakeWorld. Top 3 multiplayer FPS of all time, easy. Right behind Quake III Arena/Quake Live and Doom II.

Jon Bourgoin yeah I think it is

You are the one who is awkward.

making money, not games

cant do both, choose one

simple as 123 or abc

money makes cursed

or should I say, doomed, or will result in a quake, shaken not stirred

Yeah.... Sure...

Thanks for the gibberish. Really needed it.