The Early Days of Id Software - John Romero @ WeAreDevelopers Conference 2017

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Visit the largest developers congress in Europe: WeAreDevelopers World Congress, 16 - 18 May 2018 in Vienna, Austria.
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As co-founders of id Software, John Romero and John Carmack created the code behind the company’s seminal titles. The principles they defined through experience in id’s earliest days built upon one another to produce a unique methodology and a constantly shippable codebase. In this talk, John Romero discusses id software’s early days, these programming principles and the events and games that led to their creation.
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@StrangeDaysGaming 4 года назад

"As soon as you see a bug, fix it. Do not continue." That's when the Bethesda staff got up and left

@wanderer_from_the_farlands 3 года назад

yes.

@LiberatedMind1 3 года назад

Lolz

@mareksicinski3726 2 года назад

some games are made better or improved by bugs (certain games like smash melee or sc bw), you can never fix 100% anywayf

@emperorSbraz 2 года назад

they tried to leave but their body stopped responding and went T-pose so it went really awkward.

@robertharald4622 2 года назад

@@mareksicinski3726 what bugs in bw do you mean? I only remember things that were not really intended from the beginning like muta stacking, but would that really fall under the category of bug?

@wolfgangfrost8043 4 года назад

A lot of people on here are saying he's stuck in the past, but Romero already made his mark on the world. If he just wants to talk about the good old days, I'm happy to hear him.

@okerror1451 Год назад

dude is absolutely awesome, and they were inventing many of the development principles purely organically. They were able to do that because they had so much trust and safety, to speak honestly and pitch ideas with each other. Thats what we get from Psychological Safety (as it is coined these days)

@simokav6130 Год назад

Exactly love his input and presence

@good6894 5 месяцев назад

I see no one saying that lol

@itchin4scratches 7 лет назад

as fps gamers, we owe everything to the early days of id.

@BaconSenpai 6 лет назад

The quake engine is not gone. Many of the newer call of duty games use a modified id tech engine, like Black ops 3 and infinite warfare.

@tissue869 5 лет назад

I have to disagree. If not them, there would have been someone else to do it one way or another at some point.

@hugogregs 5 лет назад

I miss the quality of games back in the day :( They just don't make them with the same amount of love anymore. All games now are just business models

@WakizashiSabre 5 лет назад

@@hugogregs Agree, but it is because the enhancement of today's game. Years ago, one to five people were enough to make a game in few months. Now, it takes three to five years and two hundred people to make it possible. Sure, we get to your point, that the motivation of workers is not the same. But also thre releasing companies are much much more greedy... If they profit little less than "marketing plan" wishes, then studios are closed... Very sad time now... This greed could be applied to every part of the life and business.

@daveb4564 5 лет назад

@@tissue869 You could say that for anything really. For example, you could say that even without Tesla, we would develop electricity as an energy source anyway at some point. Give credit where credit is due.

@thanksfernuthin 5 лет назад

These presentations and Q&A's are so important! Imagine 50 years from now being able to look back at the Titans that started it all and hear about their experiences first hand. What a valuable resource!!!

@yeetasaurusrex1682 6 лет назад

This is the most dull audience ever. It's JOHN ROMERO!!! Dudes a rockstar of OG proportions.

@alexsmith5606 6 лет назад

you comment would have made more sense in 1993)))

@Argoon1981 5 лет назад

So good that the audience was quiet, i came here to listen to Romero not to listen to some random guys/gals scream like children and they applauded at the end.

@dirface 5 лет назад

The dullest audience is the one that didn't bother to show up, but still feel entitled to throw shade.

@kevinmiddleton8721 4 года назад

Yawn. Give me John Carmack any day... 🥱

@Vorteksio3 4 года назад

@@kevinmiddleton8721 I prefer romero

@KyleHarrisonRedacted 3 года назад

"Go get Corona SDK" OH BOY JOHN, THE WORLD TOOK THAT ADVICE IT SURE DID 😂

@LiberatedMind1 3 года назад

He spoke Doom upon us all!

@JediMastr80 5 лет назад

"As soon as you see a bug, you fix it. Do not continue on. If you don't fix your bugs, your new code will be built on a buggy codebase and ensure an unstable foundation." I hope EA, Bethesda, and Ubisoft are all listening to this and taking notes.

@SpaceAce114 5 лет назад

EA here, Nah we're not

@mikec.8604 5 лет назад

@@SpaceAce114 but heres some bad coded DLC :D

@ChocolateHabanero22 5 лет назад

And Adobe....

@MrZobiwan 5 лет назад

EA activision and Ubi are just full of shit. Boycott them

@actionboy3221 3 года назад

💯

@kiba3x 5 лет назад

I am shocked how bland the crowd is, I spot no gamers among them. To make games you don't have to be only programmer and designer, you need to be passionate gamer yourself. Romero shows what the atmosphere in every game development studio should be.

@mavhunter8753 7 лет назад

This is one of the greatest talks I've ever watched. I've re-watched this three times already.

@_wearedevs 7 лет назад

Right!?

@GameBoyyearsago 3 года назад

@@_wearedevs yes

@gamaverse 5 лет назад

LEGEND. When I was a teenager, I found Romero's ICQ number on the Internet and chatted with him for like several days. He didn't mind at all!

@igorthelight 5 лет назад

That's great!

@echoskelet 5 лет назад

@@igorthelight Yes it is :)

@99Gara99 3 года назад

That's cool af

@rolux4853 Год назад

Oh boy how I Miss the times of icq!

@jobelthirty1294 5 лет назад

The dude asked Romero about the bug that bothered him the most, and he IMMEDIATELY launched into the story... you can just tell that bug fucked with him on a serious level

@Johntitor44778 4 года назад

I think Yandere Dev needs to take lessons from John Romero on coding.

@matpoliquin 3 года назад

I am amazed of how productive ID Software was. Taking only 3 weeks to port a game to a console you never work on before is insane speed

@trapmouth 2 года назад

Not a developer, just appreciate hearing visionaries speak about their craft. Thanks for this.

@null11amorph 6 лет назад

Programmer or not, one can apply these principles to life in general. Beautiful and inspiring.

@livardo 7 лет назад

In addition to all the legendary stuff this guy's done, you can tell he's an amazing programmer.

@homoxymoronomatura 4 года назад

I wonder if we can download from for example github some examples of hid code

@rolux4853 Год назад

@@homoxymoronomaturagoogle for the source code of doom.

@andyhall7032 3 года назад

"anyone heard of michael abrash ?" ... silence ... should have walked out right there.

@kerenton5897 6 лет назад

cool guy and amazing hair as usual, same style since the early 90's

@RemiStardust 7 лет назад

40:29 Most valuable question and answer. Distractions destroy untold possibilities - it's only getting worse...

@makedredd299 5 лет назад

RU-vid and Social Media is a double edged sword. So much wasted time being sucked into them.

@MikkoRantalainen 5 лет назад

When I was learning programming in 1995 I didn't have (direct) access to internet and I spend more time with trial and error. Stack Exchange is too good nowadays and it's easier to skip the thinking and simply search/ask to solve any simple problem. As a result, we're getting worse solving really hard problems because we no longer train solving easier problems every day. If solving simple problems is hard for you working alone, solving any hard problem is next to impossible with your skills.

@bio2020 5 лет назад

I wasted my talent....

@emilbrandwyne5747 4 года назад

@@bio2020 you are the only one to put yourself in a state of past as long as you live. In other words: it is never too late to start doing something with your "talent"

@bio2020 4 года назад

@@emilbrandwyne5747 the fact you put talent in quotation marks makes me believe you think i don't have any. i agree with you. wishful thinking.

@MetalHorrorGamer 7 лет назад

another Great Video with John Romero. shame the audience was kind of lame for the most part.

@mattyjmar10 5 лет назад

28:44 "there was a known error with the floating point divide instruction on the Pentium" now that is 1337 debugging

@AnKlMa 7 лет назад

I wish the Quake Champions developers would have considered these advices

@Bobster536 9 месяцев назад

Crazy to think they spend 10 years making games before even forming a team. We all who have dreams need to be patient give it time put in the work. Even legends like Romero didnt just wake up and gained all skills over the weekend!

@morebeer4435 3 года назад

your a baller if your up there drinking wine during a Q&A. What an awesome person.

@ardcapture3D 7 лет назад

Drinking wine on stage - awesome!

@tophan5146 5 лет назад

when?

@oniximmo 4 года назад

@@tophan5146 hell yeah! 30:20

@sugarshow4941 4 года назад

@@oniximmo virgin water vs chad wine

@oplfm7009 7 лет назад

Great talk. Worst crowd.

@Ndlanding 6 лет назад

Yeah. But Romero didn't exactly give his all. Rather bland. Maybe he's told these stories too often. The crowd could have helped with some enthusiasm, some buzz. Boring bastards.

@pikkuadi 5 лет назад

How? Good crowd.

@unverifiedbiotic 5 лет назад

You are aware that gameshows have cheering crowds because they're there to have fun, like at a rock concert? There's also a lot of paid shills there to get the crowd going. These are professionals, not fanboys who'll cheer at the sight of any flashy trailer, even of it's bullshit like Fallout 76, Anthem, Battlefield V or some other POS.

@bliglum 5 лет назад

@@pikkuadi About how there wasn't much uproar or applause from the crowd,.. Yeah.. This is a developer conference, mostly coders... Not that surprising to see a less than wildly vocal crowd.

@paul9478 5 лет назад

Crowd is usually a bunch of uneducated people so no big deal . We have 7 billion humans on planet and less than 0.0.1 percent are genius and the rest is crowd.

@EyesOfByes 5 лет назад

27:10 This was the best layman description of *optimization* I've ever heard!

@bambicandi6488 7 лет назад

Man... Heretic was my favorite game after Quake...!

@HPalternetive 4 года назад

Bambi Candi Damn you’re gonna love Amid Evil

@PeterCooperUK 7 лет назад

I know you're not meant to feign surprise, but I am *genuinely* surprised no-one had heard of Michael Abrash! :-)

@fredericvergez 7 лет назад

Absolutely. This guy is awesome. His sessions on Dr Dobbs were my first contact with 3D programming

@Hammid 6 лет назад

Room full of clueless, millennial hipsters.

@inceptional 6 лет назад

I heard about him only after Oculus/Rift became a thing and he did some talks at Valve and the eventually moved to Oculus--but now I have about as much respect for him as any guy in the tech industry.

@dariusfarrel3228 3 года назад

Yeah, Isnt Michael Abrash the guy that worked at ID software to make Quake, And is the guy that inspired Gabe Newell to make Half Life and Valve ( the company )?

@vladimircokorilo8105 6 лет назад

29:36 - 30:05 General truth I agree with, which unfortunately many people won't understand... programming is unique for each person, chances are small that someone might have a similar idea

@shivaroor 2 года назад

Don’t think there’s been a lamer audience for such an iconic speaker.

@antonnym214 2 года назад

My late wife, Carol loved your games! She played Commander Keen and Duke Nukem for hours and hours. Thank you for all the fun times!

@StefanLundmark 7 лет назад

Finally someone mentions Strife. It's a great game!

@Novous 7 лет назад

It's on GOG!

@yourgameisstupid 6 лет назад

Criminally underrated game.

@jobelthirty1294 6 лет назад

Strife is fucking awesome.

@SiGhast 5 лет назад

Yep, Strife is sweet as shit.

@heebs9728 5 лет назад

Fuck yea love that game!!!

@natela6787 4 года назад

Legend states that every time Romero touches his hair an angel gets its wings.

@breamods1337 5 лет назад

by law every one hired at Ubisoft, EA, and Activision Blizzard should be made to watch this before being hired

@TheActualCathal 5 лет назад

I've been pronouncing "Id" as i-d for my entire life.

@shitchops 4 года назад

me too, i think i-d has a nicer ring to it

@redbeardnj 4 года назад

Same lol. Back in the early 90s we had no internet, so basically it was i-d. I honestly would have thought you were an idiot if anyone pronounced it "id" lol

@LazySmurf 3 года назад

Ideas from the Deep is where id came from, so it would make sense to see it as an acronym, but since they dropped the “from the” part, it also makes sense that it would be seen as just “id”

@ЯрославКурганский-щ9щ 3 года назад

But acronyms aren't usually written in lowercase letters

@miguelbenitez5734 5 лет назад

Much respect to these old school legends...

@Fezezen 5 лет назад

Man made bad ass games like Quake and Doom, favorite game? Minecraft.

@DoomKid 4 года назад

It’s even better because Notch said his favourite game was Doom. These guys clearly love each others work.

@MarvelousLXVII 7 лет назад

Are all the people in the audience millennials or something? Sounds like they have no clue what he is talking about.

@JimmyTurner 6 лет назад

Marvelous Marv it's more they are stroking his ego. Pretending you don't know to make the other feel superior for knowing what you dont is a ball licking tactic.

@Ras021186 6 лет назад

Jimmy Turner Dude those fuckers are idiots Jhon is one of the greatest of all time

@planetX15 6 лет назад

+Ras021186 John*

@PauloConstantino167 6 лет назад

no, they are decaders.

@pmc4life 6 лет назад

They are actually European. Probably members of the press.

@flaviomauri 5 лет назад

I was expecting rocket-jump to be the fav bug, but this BFG thing sounds amazing

@thewal1ofsleep 3 года назад

John's hair is as glorious as ever.

@buriedbones-nh9xr 4 месяца назад

everyone is so amazed by how efficient and fast ID worked I dont want to sound, and i will, like an eliteist but they wouldnt have have the success if they didnt work like that It was a different time back then, and efficiency was number one They worked hard, they fixed bugs right when they appeared and they added as much tech as they could

@michaelhulcy6680 6 лет назад

Brooooo John Romero's a fundamental programming guide genius! Wish so many other developers/mainly publishers nowadays fucking applied these development principles for their games. Fix bugs as you encounter them. Don't continue until that bug is ironed out. Don't depend on testers to find bugs (not to belittle what they do, but saving some time for sure). I think Bethesda (developer, not the publishing arm) should practice some of those principles lol.

@wendyokoopa7048 5 лет назад

They could teach their higher ups. You know who I'm referring to

@neil340 7 лет назад

31:39 is he drinking wine?

@_wearedevs 7 лет назад

Perhaps :)

@AdamWoodhouse 5 лет назад

It's nice when going outside of ultra-conservative North America. :)

@makedredd299 5 лет назад

It’s ok he is in Europe it shows that you are sophisticated. 🍷

@AudioReplica2023 6 лет назад

what kind of developers are there in the audience ? they dont know shit from the first developers or games in history WTF?

@ibapreppie 4 года назад

id Software was my childhood, every game he mentioned, anyone play that? I was. I had and still play every one of those games he mentioned. BTW, Strife was amazing.

@yak6896 Год назад

Love it, John! That crowd was a bust though.

@MyEgoMyThoughts 5 лет назад

If Wolfenstein 3D came out today and they charged what they did in 1992 for it, it would be 106 dollars.

@NoviTheProvi 5 лет назад

His nails are on point.

@OldManRico 5 лет назад

Ahead of their time in more ways than one. Dev teams have finally caught up to id's development principles from nearly three decades ago. :D

@Some0neSomewhere 5 лет назад

How sad, not many people spent their youth in arcades. Just an age thing, I guess. Now it's secluded indoors I guess.

@sunnyhoneybunny 4 года назад

Arcades in Germany were killed in the '80s by youth protection laws as arcade machines were considered gambling, like e.g. slot machines. So, arcade machines were only available in establishments open to adults only.

@krisfrosz133 7 лет назад

Next talk: John Carmack. I'd love to see his side of the story from id to Armadillo to Oculus.

@vivianjames5528 7 лет назад

There's not really much need. John Carmack has done a keynote every year from 1996 until present. If you listen to every keynote he's done, you can get his very colorful story if you want to hear it. Carmack's not the type of guy to edit himself down, so you'll just have to listen to his hours and hours of talking points, as he explains how he went from Wolf to Doom to Quake to everything else. Honestly, he's got a lot of good stuff to say, and he's an amazing guy.

@justiny.1773 4 года назад

Watch John carmack interview with joe rogan

@5Gazto 6 лет назад

13:41 Just C, now that's how it should be.

@Мирич-з4е 5 лет назад

Tell the reason why? Or you just said it because you're a fan of him. C was big back then, but now is almost dead. Nobody developes games on C anymore.

@IDontReadReplies42069 4 года назад

@@Мирич-з4е because he's old and incapable of keeping pace with modern advancements.

@thedeadserv 5 лет назад

"Programming is a creative art form based in logic." It's funny I've been saying this to everyone who tells me programming is too hard for them. It's literally the sum of brushes/brush strokes you have used/done throughout your experience and of course the quality of your paint and canvas. Oh and of course, constantly scouring the internet for different ways on how to draw fucking hands rofl

@yourgameisstupid 6 лет назад

No wonder game development is so unimpressive these days -- the upcoming developers have no concept of the history of gaming. Terrible crowd.

@frikobraun 5 лет назад

@446714915461282676 you're pretty dumb

@DanknDerpyGamer 5 лет назад

@1234 This has nothing to do with autism or lack thereof, but you're clearly too dumb to know how to use the word correctly given how bad your comeback is... hahaha.

@dirface 5 лет назад

@EgbertAethelbald The crowd paid to see the talk out of interest and you're in your mom's basement complaining. Who's terrible again?

@TheJPomp 5 лет назад

@Heinz Ketchup There was only one question for Q&A. That's abysmal.

@patrikpass2962 5 лет назад

@@frikobraun no he is right, you don't have to play every single outdated game to become a good developer

@Standbackforscience 5 лет назад

So much inspiration to be had. What a legend.

@endeckerBM 6 лет назад

That was fascinating. I could have listened for hours!

@soursugar4867 4 года назад

john needs to write an audiobook

@Hammid 6 лет назад

Nobody in the entire room had played STRIFE?! Pfffft… Bunch of millennial, hipster trendies.

@better.better 5 лет назад

I think it's funny that people expect everyone to know who these people and games are. I think maybe what's left of the hardcore Quake fans MIGHT know who John Carmac is, and maybe Trent Reznor, but only a few would know if anyone else from the original team. most people younger than 35 barely remember Quake if the even heard of it at all. That's why Quake Champions was a stupid corporate decision. what they needed to do was come up with something new and ground breaking, not count on the success of previous titles to carry them through. They tried to do that with Rage, except they didn't follow most of those rules listed in this lecture.

@Clay3613 5 лет назад

Strife was not a popular game. Get over it.

@6StimuL84 4 года назад

@@Clay3613 And yet was and is still, a great creation...Your loss missing it.....

@Splatpope 5 лет назад

WE WOULDNT BE TALKIN ABOUT HALF LIFE 3 IF NOT FOR THIS HAIRY BOI

@lemeandre 4 года назад

So here I am, in the midst of corona virus quarantine all over the world, I'm NOT a programmer (but I pretend to become one) and then, 45:00 John says "get Corona sdk", so I'm: WHAT?! And I laughed...

@ВадимБеляев-щ3д 7 месяцев назад

интересно какой шампунью он пользуется

@MunkeyChips 5 лет назад

Can't wait for Sigil! It's almost here!!!

@johnnyxp64 5 лет назад

my 1st ever game was Dangerous DAVE! fuck! i just found out you did it guys lol. cool. i also start programming because of games. :)

@Crpjnr 4 года назад

Me: eye-dee software John: ihd software

@prezeskodaty4637 7 лет назад

id software company since the quake 3 arena do poor computer games, new doom 4 is similar to quake 2 introduces two new changes better graphics in high resolution and dubbed in different languages, flying demon circular tomato with teeth is a childish toy which should not be, There are a lot of silly changes in doom games, they did the same with wolfenstein, quake, rage, if they do not go back to making games in the old good genre then the id software company will end up like rich old computer corporations till 2025

@MegaMajorHavoc 5 лет назад

28:55 - We were playing Terminator Future Shock with Mouselook a year earlier in 1995

@jfitnesshealth 7 лет назад

@47:10 HOW TO USE THE BFG, HOW IT WORKS!!!

@SevenDeMagnus 4 года назад

So cool, every version of this story has a new info, which is cool, This is my 3rd iD story.

@Crvstylvngs Год назад

This is my second, only ten minutes through but I'm loving it

@FonzSuda7403 5 лет назад

the lack of people cheering for doom is disturbing

@anointedsword 2 года назад

Raven was a great company as well. SOF rocked! 😁👍🏻

@rameynoodles152 6 лет назад

Wow, those are some radically different programming guidelines than is taught nowadays. Actually, quite a bit different from back then as well. I'm gonna write that shit down.

@1luarluar1 6 лет назад

1st book from the series WOR(L)DS, a project by Raul Gubert ''3 NEW MONSTERS AND 3 NEW WEAPONS FOR QUAKE'' www.filedropper.com/3newmonstersand3newweaponsforquake

@surrealsoupuniverse Год назад

we need sandy petersen in the comment section please !! :D

@Aranimda 5 лет назад

Romero's hair is just as legendary as his games.

@SAMACSTUDIOS 4 года назад

Rip the name corona sdk

@HighGainsDrifter 4 года назад

John Romero seems really cool, I'd kick it with him lol

@99Gara99 3 года назад

6:19 just realized there were loads of d&d games using Wolfenstein 3d engine

@Milosz_Ostrow 5 лет назад

Crazy hair. It would drive me nuts to constantly have to deal with such a mane.

@planetX15 3 года назад

Ponytail

@megido878 7 лет назад

hey there is a news reporter named john romero

@wally19 2 года назад

I was 11-12, no internet, it was all just about going out to play with my friends, going back home, cd doom enter, doom enter...

@Goto10Gaming 4 года назад

“We worked 30 hours, in a day..” John...

@ZalonDK 4 года назад

The day isn't over until you go to sleep :D

@yoe91 5 лет назад

30:15 is that red wine ? No I know I know, it's the blood of 5000 imps... but are speakers allowed to 'drink' at these sorts of conferences ?

@msalperen1 5 лет назад

I'm frustrated by the fact that scrolling wasn't available on PC until 1990. Wasn't it available even on Amiga in games like Giana Sisters?

@pritch2002 5 лет назад

Great talk by a giant of gaming - massively enjoyed that and love that his favourite "bug" is the silent BFG trick...

@newsmansuper2925 5 лет назад

great talk.

@jpalmz1978 3 месяца назад

Today I learned that Quake make a point to highlight the famous intel FDIV bug

@mauricioluisvega3137 Год назад

23.20 the fire extinguisher near the CRAY!!! LOL

@diogopereira9806 3 года назад

Commander Keen: Goodbye Galaxy was the first game my dad ever bought me... "is this the one you want?" i must have been like 4 years old still remenber it... I couldnt read or write, but i could put games running on MS-DOS just by memorizing the keys: "cd keen, (press enter), keen4e

@Sir1us1 7 лет назад

This is basically Masters of Doom with slides. Still nice though.

@raywt3237 5 лет назад

I've been meaning to read that so thanks for that 😃

@DarkElfDiva 3 года назад

Romero: Get Corona Me, watching in 2021: Uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

@Darksky1001able 6 лет назад

SOMEONE GET THIS MAN AND TOM ARAYA IN A ROOM TOGETHER TO MAKE A GAME!!! They would do so well and i know it would be great!!!

@davidmiller9485 4 года назад

he's incorrect on the internet. We had BBS's which were connected by FIDOnet. We also had Gopher, Archie and Veronica. Now their was no HTML or WWW. Most networks were government/libraries/Colleges. But we did have internet. I used a Commodore pet/64/128D with a modem to dial into both the local college and BBS's.

@CTimmerman 6 лет назад

16:55 Sounds like he's not doing Quake Champions.

@MrBlondeTV Год назад

Such a valuable piece of history for Gaming

@MercenaryOrangeTV 5 лет назад

you know the 4 or how many ever companies that are working on quake champions right now? they should definitely take notes before they drive the whole fucking franchise into the ground...but then again Im no programmer either so, its whatever.

@etherlords88 5 лет назад

He always show up like a diva :D and that's _Id_ software? not Ai Dee ? :/ And what kinda garbage crowd is that who just sit there in xing jing ping face?

@okerror1451 Год назад

27:58 I remember that room. Lots of fun with my grapling hook