the questionable morality of the harbingers 

I see Childe as a professional soldier. He does not kill if he doesn't have to (we have multiple times when he could have killed his opponent, like the Meillelith who guarded the Golden House, he just knocked them out), he doesn't like lying, deceviving, or hurting people who are weaker than him, and didn't do anything to warrant his violence etc. But he will do it if he's instructed by the Tsaritsa to do so. In the military you get an order, you have to doit, like it or not, because if you don't you'll be the one court marshalled. He didn't even wanted to release Osial (he said during the quest that he feared that it will come to this, and he pretty much regrets it), and did so after he figured out that Morax was alive.

Husk of Opulent Dream states that he grew bored. It’s possible that the text is just reflecting his own excuses/justifications but it’s nonetheless what the text itself says.

Not many people paying atention to the world quest which make me sad a bit. I hope during patch 4.8 Hoyo drop a teaser featuring Sandrone

SANDRONE MENTION? All in all though, her character intrigues me very much, I would love to go in depth and get to analyze her when she’s shown

@@1L1KEP0TAT0ES i think one of my personal favourite crack theories about Sandrone is that it's actually Alain Guillotin (the guy who created the Fontaine Research Institute and discovered Pneuma & Ousia) Let me explain: Firstly, the girl we see presented as Sandrone in the Teaser looks a lot like an adult version of Mary Ann Guillotin (Alain's sister) who died tragically in an explosion (the same one from which the Melusines were born). Alain himself was heavily involved with the research of machinery, and was a kind of genius in the field. He's known for creating Seymour (the vaguely sentient robot-dog) and clockwork Meka in general. In fact, most of Fontaine's technological progress is his achievement. His death, interestingly enough, is also not specified: he's known to have become a shut-in crazed with his research in his later years, and his final fate is unknown. (Sandrone is also a known shut-in btw). And now Sandrone for some reason felt the need to apologize to the Traveler, whom they haven't met or seemingly interacted with before in any way? The theory's explanation for this would be the Traveler's involvement in Narzissenkreuz Quest. The Traveler fixed Seymour, found and freed the remaining consciousness of Mary Ann Guillotin, and finished Alain's job by disposing of Narzissenkreuz. Again, this is a crack theory mostly held together by vibes, so don't take it too seriously

@@_dragonflies_ THISSS I HAVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH THIS no way that look is a coincidence, although I haven’t though much about Alain, thank you for this info! I think I’ll go an readership it more now :D

wdym, he does talk to Nahida ;)

​@@motemo8413 this person is talking about Raiden

@@Lon3Kn1ght i know lol

@@motemo8413 Good point :))

I NEED them to meet

I'd love to see that be his character, though I'm open to reveals or plot-twists to what we haven't yet known about him outside of what other characters have spoken of him.

This is why I love the way Genshin writes it's characters. The Fatui is not an uiformizied organization. It is made out of individuals, every one of them with their own moral code, personality, morals, motivations etc. (there are people there, who are evil- Dottore, people who just joined beause it was the only way they could survive- Lyney, or others who didn't even had any say in joining- Childe) In Genshin we don't really see the conflict of good/evil, in the traitional sense. What we see is the very complicated political game most of the Archons, and Fatui play against the Heavenly principles.

Now I just wanna see Capitano and Dottore _square up_

If that's true, then it also means that _none_ of the Harbingers have an excuse to be so cruel; such a development could serve as an exploration into _why_ the Fatui are so awful if they can get what they want through diplomacy and respect.

@@Jackson-ub1uv 'none of the Harbingers have an excuse to be so cruel;' Some of them don't want to be cruel. Like in case of Childe. He doesn't like to kill, but will do it if he is ordered (for ex, he didn;t kill any of the guards of the Golden House, nor the debt collectors in Fontaine, nor the treasur hoarders, not even the person who tried to run from his debt in Childe's teaser), and he would have chose another method of luring Rex Lapis out if it was up to him instead of releasing Osial. (conversation after we beat his Foul Legacy form) He likes to be honest, and straighforward, and doesn't like the methods of his fellow Harbingers because they use deception. But again Childe will lie, and deceive if he's ordered. He treats his men with respect and care unlike some (Signora killed his own men during training) to an extent that being put in Trataglia's squad is considered a honor among the Fatui. In case of Childe, idk if having morals and breaking them or not having them at all is better or worse.

He thought be erasing himself he would bring all those he killed back. He was giving his life for them.😢

Yeah, a lot of people don’t take that into account sadly

It was so sad that no one catched him when he fell after having his heart stolen again. 😢 But its great that Nahida is taking care of him now. She made him go to school, hang out with people and was nice to him. His peers like him too, they celebrated his birthday, so sweet! 🥺 Im sure over time he will heal and open up more. Just like Xiao.

Tsaritsa is one thing but i still have no idea as to why the fuck Capitano is tolerating them, he seems more righteous and honorable so i wonder what's going on in his mind.

@@motemo8413 Mayhaps he doesn't know? I can see Dottore keeping his stuff a secret from him fully aware that the man can, and would, beat his ass for what he has done And as long as he is useful to the Tsaritsa, he will be ok in that regard

@@rebeccacourtney5286 well, not sure about this. Even if he didn’t give reports, and masked everything he does, I’m pretty sure some people in Fatui know it, and that he uses it as a punishment, not talking about Collei who left him but pretty sure she said something to Cyno, he passed to Lisa, she added 2+2 and so they know. Also, there’s Diluc, who also knows what Dottore is doing (at least he knew for some time) and despises him, and wouldn’t hide his secrets, I don’t believe he would hide it at least. Also, pretty sure some of the Fatui wondered about Krupp and why isn’t he serving Dottore anymore…

You're mentally ill if you believe Dottore is anything like Crucabena. FIrstly, we don't even know WHICH Dottore was at the House of the Hearth, it is more than likely a Segment, since I would find it difficult to believe Zandik would waste his time playing second fiddle to someone like Crucabena. However, the former HoTH still served a purpose, and likely, a segment who had a personality more along the lines of her is the one which was sent, we see they have different personalities from what the manhua offers in that younger Dottore (who most definitely is a Segment, especially considering the redesign and personality change, HE is a complete maniac, Zandik is not.) Zandik sees the bigger picture, just like the Tsaritsa, and we have gotten hints MANY times that Teyvat is essentially a simulation. To condemn Dottore/Zandik for what he does in the interest of saving humanity would be like condemning well, yourself, for what you do in the interest of gathering materials, etc. for your characters in the game. You're murdering those poor Hilichurls despite knowing they were once people, etc. and you excuse it by saying it is a game, right? Genshin isn't real, so therefore you're not actually committing atrocities every single day for primogems to advance your account. Well, neither is Dottore, in the interest of waking people from Teyvat's cycles/samsaras, and ushering the Tsaritsa's new world, where people will be allowed to flourish without the petty constraints of Celestia. Crucabena was someone who relished in suffering for no other reason than to inflict it, she had no grand goals, no bigger plan, we don't even know WHY she became a Harbinger, other than Genshin sweeping for/retconning Arlechomo's less savoury qualities out of fear of a Scaramouche 2.0 situation (they NERFed her darker side, creating this convoluted, shitty character, and trivialising the WQs in Inazuma/Liyue that concern her, absolutely disgraceful if you ask me.) In any case, you're quite bold to condemn someone without even knowing their full story, we know little of Zandik, and everyone has condemned pretty much every single Harbinger before their story is released. It is very clear Dottore is not only extremely loyal to the Tsaritsa (to the point of sacrificing his own research for her sake), and as we know from Hoyo dev interview, he WILL be a very huge part of the plot, as will the Tsaritsa, we also know the top three Harbingers are in a class unto their own, with lesser Harbingers such as Arlecchino, though not limited to her, being kept in the dark about what the Fatui's true intel/intentions are. To say nothing of the fact everything we know about how Teyvat works that didn't come from Dainsleif pretty much exclusively came from Dottore, so we have him to thank re: descenders, Teyvat being fake, etc. which Nahida passes onto us, but which is DOTTORE'S own intel. Since he has a bad relationship with Arlecchino and her own "intel" is often flawed, inaccurate, and very limited (we see this on various occasions, she has hubris but not the intelligence or strength to fight anyone who isn't a child or an amnesiac Traveller who forgot they could use elemental power...), we can presume Dottore's intel came from his own efforts and understanding of Teyvat, of which we are direct beneficiaries. Arlechomo, on the other hand, has contributed nothing to us despite being in intel, neither have Scaramouche or Childe, despite being friendly to us (aside from gossip about the other Harbingers, nothing special. We even see from Scaramouche how that can simply prove "wrong," granted, due to stupid retcon reasons but nevertheless, it remains that voice lines can simply be completely wrong, as Arlecchino's remain unchanged despite the pathetic sweeping on Hoyoverse's part.) Most importantly, we see Nicole bear witness to the events in Tatarasuna and Dottore's role in them, etc. and she never condemns him, understanding well the system of "fate" in Teyvat. You could completely erase Dottore from history and everything would have panned out exactly the same anyway, we learn that from Scaramouche's equally cringe-worthy, yet at least somewhat useful, AQ interlude. Fate is not so easily challenged in Teyvat, and even if you remove an entire being from the equation, events will remain the same if they are fated to occur, such as the downfall of the Raiden Gokaden being originally Scaramouche's doing, but after he 'erased' himself from history, it fell all the same. Likewise, if you got rid of Dottore, someone else would've found Scaramouche and the events of Tatarasuna would still happen, Collei would still have been treated for Eleazar with the non-retconned events of the manhua occurring (though it is worth mentioning that, unpleasant though she may have found it, Dottore DID save her life, even Tighnari is forced to concede this, which is why he isn't hostile to Dottore despite knowing who he is at Pardis Dhay. Moreover, he states the Dottore segment he encountered held no malice whatsoever, so every segment is truly different, adding to the further complexity of The Doctor. Sorry every character can't be one-dimensional soy slop like Arlechomo, some of them actually are well-written like Dottore. Dottore mogs that creepy femcel any day. As for Crucabena, well, she does create a lot of questions as to why the Tsaritsa would ever allow someone like her, since unlike Dottore, she has no aim that we know of nor even reason for becoming a Harbinger. Her entire reason for existing is just to make Arlechomo look better by comparison, which is how you know the latter is a shitty character -- good characters don't need to have a SatAM villain sloppily shoehorned to have their stories make sense, and it is so clear she WAS Arlecchino, it tbh would've been better even if they did something similar to Furina's consciousness split, insteaad of the nonsense they pulled. Not Hoyo's best writing to be sure, but Fontaine has been a weird version, with three great characters (Furina, Neuvillette, Navia) and an entire roster of utterly forgettable, inconsequential ones (aside from Skirk, who did more for the plot and player interest in the 3 seconds she appeaed than anyone else did in that entire AQ....)

@@motemo8413Y'all are laughable. Capitano and the top three Harbingers absolutely work together, alongside Pierro and the Tsaritsa. Everyone else is in the dark about what the Fatui are truly about, as we learn from Arlechomo not knowing anything about Pierro and being purposely kept at arm's length from the true Fatui inner circle, likewise re: Childe, who was sent on a wild goose chase for Scaramouche in Inazuma. On the other hand, in WNL we see Capitano ask Dottore about the Electro Gnosis, he knows about the AG project, etc. It's so funny that y'all think we're dealing with such black and white, simplistic plots, when the Fatui are against the HP and that will doubtlessly require sacrifices on EVERYONE's part, for the greater good/goal. Capitano is righteous, but he isn't the moral arbiter of anything, lol. Furthermore, Dottore is more so someone who does what is necessary for a goal/plan, he isn't Crucabena or even someone like Pulcinella, lmao. Y'all need to actually examine a character before condemning them, oh and it would probably help to keep in mind that much of the manhua has been retconned/the Dottore featured there is clearly not Zandik/Prime, but clearly a segment. Their personalities couldn't be any more different, which is why my man got a whole redesign. A lot of the concepts from the manhua got retconned, actually, such as the diplomats being randos. Now, the Fatui Harbingers ARE the diplomats, but there are other differences, such as the manhua Segment not giving a toss about the Fatui at all and just doing what he pleases, whereas Omega/Zandik is willing to sacrifice his own research for the Tsarista's plan, something that segment would never do. This is made clear even in the cutscene with Nahida, yet y'all want to conflate.

The Org XIII to Fatui pipeline is real

Fellow Kingdom Hearts enjoyer spotted ❤🫵

That's what got me feeling drawn to the Harbingers in the first place due to my hyper-fixation of Kingdom Hearts's Organization XIII😅❤

i’ve drawn the harbingers (+ lumine and aether) in the black coats before, but i’d never even thought about the white coat thing lmao! both groups sure are awesome

YESS. Exactly!! I feel like that’s one of the things that made me so interested in the Harbingers. I don’t want to get spoilt, but I also found it funny how many similarities there are design wise between Scaramouche and Xion

They better not be choosing dottore over columbina or I’ll jump

​@@The1andonlysharpshooter They can Pick Columbina and Reboot Dottore. Remember he has his segments that he has to remake now that they are all destroyed.

@@silverhawkscape2677 very true.

The thing is, she's not exactly _forced_ to do anything, as proven by the fact that she _is_ willing to betray the Fatui.

And wtf does that mean, in now way DOttore doing what he does in name of science redeem him. WTF is your statement. Is Ramsay Bolton also not classicaly villain, because he flayes people alive because he "thinks its the right thing to do???"

@@antihmota4625 When did I say that this redeems him? I said that he is a character who does what he does for reasons that in his mind are worth it and not because he likes to cause pain. He won't just kill someone on the street for no reason or torture someone just for pleasure, but at the same time he won't hesitate to use an innocent person as a guinea pig to advance his research. (This is all considering Prime Dottore, as we saw that each of his segments can have very different personalities)

Causing immense pain and death in the name of science is evil though.

@@aeso3555 Yes, it is definitely evil but for me it is not "Pure Evil" as there is nuance behind it Characters that are "Pure Evil" are those with extremely basic reasons or no reason at all for doing what they do with good examples being Scar, Jafar, Jack Horner, Voldermort, Palpatine, etc...

@@Truck-kun11 With Palpatine I would argue here. He wanted to turn republik into empire and by that gave stability and peace to every corner of galaxy, not selected few that was under republik cape. Does he ruled with iron fist and terror? He did. But for common folk mostly it was a dream scenario (excluding some extreme cases which were only few [don't know much outside movies, but as far I know it indeed was only few]). Imagine that your planet is controlled by rogues and scumbags and you literally are afraid to set your foot wrong, cause in other case you gonna end up as slave and republik have you deep in their ass. Empire provided protection which is mentioned in "Empire Strikes Back" and they offer employment and contracts directly with them that finally allowed engineers around galaxy to develop something new, cause as we know during republik times everything in terms of technology was in stagnation, cause Jedi wanted so. And everything that only for exterminating Jedi and loyalty for Emperor.

She is though. Very Traumatized and damaged however. You have to remember she was forced to run the House of the Hearth. What do you think will happen if she doesnt decide to make Child soldiers and just stop? She's stuck between a rock and a Hard place and has to make the Best and most pragmatic Choices she can. I think that's why she wants to make Lyney the next king. Hopefully she can break the House from the Fatui. I think she wants Lyney to be the next King of the house because he can change it to somethinf she can't because of how damaged she is as a Person.

A character having a traumatic backstory doesnt automatically make them a good person. Arlecchino is not a good person.

@@Gwen1661 Dude analyze her Circumstances. She can't do much unless she's actively slolwy walking the House away from the Fatui. If her decision to walk Back Fatui operations in Fontaine is any indication. She's trying to walk the House away.

Exactly. She's interesting and complex. She can be "forgiving" if it suits her, but people need to remember she's essentially grooming these kids to be good little soldiers willing to give up their lives for her or the Tsarista.

Arlecchino despite overall not being exactly a "good person" still has standards and certain lines she refuses to cross like not allowing Dottore to continue what he was allowed to do to the House Of The Hearth's orphans by Crucabena. And her traumatic backstory does make some to most of her actions in present day understandable but definitely not excusable.

Same, I think it makes them more realistic

absolutely, the harbingers are quite literally terrorists. it would be unbelievably shameful of mihoyo to try and 'redeem' them.

He has a sad story but it's not traumatic, besides, he can't be redeemable even if he has a very traumatic backstory. Having a bad past doesn't redeem your own action

Same

looll, you're right. I remember it was to track the son of the diadem's owner who want to sabotage the event and take the diadem so he can gain his father's wealth or something. I guess he's the type to not like negotiation and pick a "faster" route, yeah he is still very much a jerk and Alhaitham you're no different 🤣

...Yeah, that sounds about right; Wanderer doing his "negotiations" and Alhaitham just letting him cook.

@@Sarah-iq3sc Honestly, I can see him staying a jerk, but that still care for human life

@@ZE.brigitte loveable jerk 🥰

i disagree that scara isn't in his redemption arc. maybe it's not a typical redemption arc where he ends up being a good guy or a hero, but it's about him righting past wrongs and taking accountability for the terrible things he's done in the past. in one of his character voice lines (i dont remember which one), he mentions that he wants to find descendants of the raiden gokaden and tell them to truth about what actually happened and tell them that he's the one responsible, and if they want to kill him or hurt him, then so be it. maybe he's not exactly trying to redeem himself, but it seems like he doesn't want to run away from the problems he caused and wants to take accountability for them

She was forced into it. I can see her continuing to groom child soldiers only because the Alternative of refusing is far worst under the Fatui.

it never said it was a punishment

Watch out to not choke on that hopium!

🗡️🔥😱

​@@antihmota4625 You seem to think i desperately want her to return. That is not the case. I dont particularly like her. I feel sorry for her past and thunk ther themes are cool, but how it is right now, i wouldnt pull for her. I just think her comming back is logical given what we know and not bringing her back would be a huge missed opportunity from hoyos side.

Pls no

It’s like the parody of “The Shawshank Redemption” where Peter very slowly turns and looks at the audience when he comments on the fact that Andy and Red being friends - as Red is black - would make it more special for the audience.

Thank you, you put everything I think about her into words. I never really connected with her because I just kept seeing a „marketable cool and over powerful mommy“ instead of an actual character

We've gotten Arlecchino personality by Childe and Scara, of course it contradicts her. No way we could've believed Scara and Childe when it comes to reading a person, even Childe saw he was mistaken by her.

Yeah I fricking agree, but unfortunately this is a Chinese GACHA game so her badness HAD to be nerfed. I'm more interested in Crucabena now, but I know she will probably never be mentioned again (another character with missed potential, thanks Hoyo!)

@IMtiredal but we also saw other Fatui from the House before 4.0, who referred to current Arlecchino as someone to be feared of even for the inside circle. Aranyaka Fatui npc, and Tanit quest Fatui npc are scared of being part if the house, and I believe Crucabena is too dead by this time to be responsible.

​​@@Vickyef619 That has never changed she is still quite frequently described as being a feared by all the kids in the house. However if you do go back to those previous quests you'll find someone who states themselves that they don't actually have a problem with the house. This is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation about it they don't want their younger sister to go there because they're younger sister wants to follow a very specific career path the house is not the best place for that. ( you don't send someone who you know wants to be a dancer to military school regardless of whether you are ok with the military school you send them to a dance school) Honestly this bugs the hell out of me because people need to realise that the characterization of her was not just changed the characterization we got about her back then is very similar the only exception is with the voice Lines. The problem with these voice lines is that everybody jumped on them and let their head cannon run wild, completely forgetting the fact that the two people who gave the voice lines aren't the best narrators. Childe is very much not the best judge of character and has been shown to be easily manipulated and Wanderer has a pessimistic 98% of the people he meets. What people mean when they say that they change her character to make it more marketable whether you like to admit it or not what it actually comes down to is my head canon didn't align with what the actual thing was so clearly they changed it.

After the things he has done to Collei, Scaramouche, all the folks at the dessert, and who knows how many other poor souls, HOPEFULLY NOT

I hope he won't have a redemption arc

They won't give him a redemption arc. Remember Dottore's Clones? They'll give us a Blank Clone as a Pull.

Hmm, let's see: - Charmed a classmate and strangled her to death, then lured tigers to mutilate her body to cover up his crimes. - Set loose a ruin grader to kill off the rest of his classmates to eliminate any weaknesses. - Conducted experiments on Eliezar patients using DISMEMBERED body parts. - Kidnapped children from all over Teyvat to conduct more experiments. One of the victims being Collei. - Sabotaged the Mikage furnace inTatarasuna, killed Niwa, manipulated Kabukimnon and corrupted him into becoming a cynical, nation destroying monster. Oh yeah, and Tatarasuna is still devastated to this day. - Implied to have been the one responsible for luring Ursa the Drake to attack Diluc's caravan, resulting in Crepus' death and sending Diluc down the path of leaving the KOF and becoming a brooding anti-hero. Also mocked and taunted Diluc during their encoutner. - Collaborated with the sages of the Akademiya to create an artificial god by putting the citizens of Sumeru inside a looping dream. - Worked with Crucabina, another equally morally bankrupt Harbinger. This man has traumatized and ruined the lives of at least three playable characters (Collei, Wanderer and possibly Diluc). At this point, there needs to be a therapy group for all of his victims. This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.

@@aeso3555 "This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.", more like, he wouldn't care about being called evil. It's just a word to him, nothing more, nothing less. He is just "happy"(insanely so) to be able to continue doing his sick experiments, without caring what anyone might think of him.

I can concede that she may have been stuck before, but the fact she refuses to do anything _after_ the Fontaine Archon Quests is inexcusable. Considering Fontaine is no longer useful to them, and the fact that they only need one more Gnosis, the Fatui would deem it a waste of soldiers and resources to try and take back a single orphanage.

@@Jackson-ub1uv I am sorry I don't quite follow. The house of the hearth is not just one "single orphanage." It's the Fatui's entire espionage department. So losing that is a huge blow to the fatui. Also, the HotH does not solely operate in Fontaine, you operate all over Teyvat. Fontaine is just their main branch.

@@applesauce4666 If that's the case, then she could at least separate the orphanage from the Fatui and leave the pre-existing agents where they are.

@@Jackson-ub1uv My guy, The orphange is a branch of the fatui, not a separate entity it can't leave. Also the orphanage is financially dependant on the fatui. Do you think that Arle is pulling money out of thin air? No, the fatui financially supports the orphanage, but its very difficult to straight up leave the fatui .

@@applesauce4666 My guy, the end of Fontaine's Archon Quests leaves her on decent terms with the Spina di Rosula and Fontaine's government, so she has plenty of options. Neuvillette would be the best option as he'd be able to offer all of the funding needed, and I think the most he'd ask for is to have active Fatui agents be put on trial. Such a deal is incredibly generous, and one that Arlecchino would _have_ to take if she wanted to do what's best for the children; the orphanage would get all of the support it needs, and any convicted agents will be cared for in the Fortress of Meropide.

I'm very agree with this, I also found Arlecchino to be not evil at all (in my opinion). Yeah she did collect children from many places, but in the end they are given choice to live normal. Also, I doubt she pick randomly, we can see a lot of children she pick have unique nature. What IF (just IF) she pick a real orphan or an outcast, doesn't that mean in some way she's saving them? Like she really is just a virtuous person pretending to be evil.

so real

I mean, Dottore kinda took the entire stock of evil. Like, holy shit. XD Man has absolutely committed war crimes with a smile on his face. And he is one unrepentant bastard. Hoyo actually did a good job in making us hate him. Who knows? Maybe we'll find more unlikeable villains in the future. I, myself, actually don't like Ei because while I understand her grief? She still harmed her own people by letting a puppet lead and triggering what is essentially a civil war. Not to mention not taking the time to educate her newly born son about things like humanity, morality, or even death...you know, BEFORE leaving him in the wilderness in the name of freedom. Like "So yeah, humans aren't like us. Their lives aren't eternal. It's called death and it's not something they can fully control". To me? She's honestly the worst archon. Her and the Tsaritsa.

no, the jester gives delusions. in childe's delusion story pierro gives him his delusion. kabokimono joined the fatui after the tatarasuna incident, dottore offered him to join idk where u got the info abt niwas descendant? maybe it's in a character story (i don't have wanderer) but according to the husk of opulent dreams he stopped killing people because he was bored and the last part i also have no idea where u got that from lol

@@bonk8311 A direct quote from the game : *Delusions are treasures of incredible power, granted by Her Majesty the Tsaritsa in person. Whether faith or Vision, a Delusion makes them all look like child's play.* Delusions are rarely given to someone else other than harbringers ( all harbringers have one). Kabuki didnt join right after tatarasuna, as he had yet to experience his "third betrayal" then wandered inazuma for some time until Jester found him. Its mentioned in his lore and in the story video. That he encountered niwas decendant was mentioned directly in the event and indirectly by kazuha when he was talking about how he should not go for revenge against kunikuzushi. I also think it was mentioned further into quests but that would require going through entire scaras lore document and he has *a lot of lore*, like hes all over tataratsunas papers and hidden in the events and so on. Plius you cant take everything about scara at face value. Its been shown few times - best example is ei stuff scara thinks she abandomed him for being weak and emotional yet what actually happened is that ei saw tears as humanity trait and didnt want him suffer same fate as her sister or be used as a tool and bring him sadness. This causes character conflict and depth which is why ppl want see em both so badly. To see what he values and what hes like you can from his character menu and teapot lines. Last part is from newest books and character lines. Dottore says all that stuff in IoG quest. All of this can be learned by just playing the game.

“He also didnt stop his killing spree because he got bored, but because he met Niwas descendant and that pulled his heart strings.” not true. he threatened that dude and made him fear for his life and led to the downfall of that clan. he wanted him to remember the name kunikuzushi, it was out of revenge and hatred. not sorrow. he hated niwa. and it is stated that he stopped bc his plans grew dull. “The wanderer would never admit to this. He would never admit that he had done this as an act of revenge against the bladesmith. Nor would he ever mention the truth, That he had abandoned his schemes halfway because they had suddenly become dull.” anyways. “He also has multiple hints throughout his story that he's quite soft and normal, but he hides it under facade.” not exactly. there was one or two moments with a facade but rn he’s pretty unapologetically honest and kinda rude. he still don’t want anything to do with humanity (character introduction). wanderer is naturally rude and blunt as we see him. in the inside tho, he sometimes looks a bit unsure sometimes, like when nahida tries to have deep convos going on abt emotions, which he doesn’t respond to and just basically kinda ignores. he has kind moments but he’s not rlly soft or normal. when his memories were wiped, yeah. he killed loads of swordsmen out of revenge, smiles and talks with a person he’s planning to murder, abused his subordinates bc he liked the fear on their face, sold delusions and mocked a dead person, and a lot more, basically he’s not normal. def not after what all he’s been through. to those who don’t know him, he can act pretty normal but to those who know him, not at all. hes pretty damn desensitized to violence, etc, too. he can be calm, and he actually is pretty nonchalant as wanderer, just impolite and unapologetically blunt, but that don’t mean soft or normal. even with nahida he’s not soft. hes pretty professional abt it but gets annoyed with her at times. the fandom sees this as soft but hes just cooperative bc he wants to be useful to someone again after losing worth to the fatui. he also believes he is in debt to nahida and doesnt want to be in even more debt. so that’s also why. hes somewhat more normal and seems a bit softer than what he was like as Scaramouche, but that bar is pretty low. scaramouche def ain’t soft or normal unless it’s strangers (the kid and elder in inazuma who didn’t know him, mona and fischl, the traveler at first). “His lore also hint that his violent behaviour came from doctor after he was tortured and after he went to abyss, which corresponds to what we know how childe came to be a lil unhinged.” as a puppet, he doesn’t seem to fall under the effects of abyss related things. we already know he’s immune to erosion for one. but we also see in the stars event he’s immune to abyss hypnosis. he didn’t become violent after learning it from the doctor, we can see from artifact lore that kunikuzushi could be easily provoked. “Where are you going, Inazuman? This boat is not for you!" The wandering young man was halted at the harbor by a boatman. But before the youth could draw his blade, a man in his company stopped him.” what he mirror from dottore his this: He would only say, in that tone of voice he had learned from a certain researcher. “It was all just a little experiment into human nature.” and even then he was just imitating dottore and lying to ppl. he went through brutal experiments, that nahida described as torture, however it was consensual and he seemed pretty nonchalant bringing up brutal experiments Dottore put him through in front of the sages. and then throwing shade at him, his consensual abuser. "Nothing worse than what l've been through before then, Doctor?" anyways. “Scara also doesnt hate Ei, he more resents her and wants her approval.” He doesn’t seem to want her approval, more so to serve his purpose (having the electro gnosis). He clearly has a strong dislike for her. Not only did she keep him in a permanent sleep and lock him in the shakkei pavilion (character story and artifact lore) without a name bc he shed tears, she wasn’t there when he needed her the most, she had the shogun blindly ruling and that feather she gave scara didn’t help at all and actually caused him more trouble. I’d say hate. Resent is putting it really lightly, that’s what kazuha feels for ei. i also don’t think he wants approval from gods (which includes ei), as he loathes them and mocks them. and ei is prob the reason as to why he hates them. “We know why Jester made scara a fatui.” not the full reason, no. its implied that he wanted something from scara, and most likely abyss related, but that’s pretty vague. we don’t know his full intent for sure

Simp

Correction. Chinese Laws will now allow a full Villain to be Playable. The most they can be is Morally Grey lile anti hero or anti villain. Like Sunday and Sparkle feom HSR. Sparkle was just a Chaotic Neutral for the lols characters and Sunday is more of the Symphathetic villain who doesn't want people to suffer but will do so by locking them in a Dream where the Impossible that cannot happen in reality can exist.

@@silverhawkscape2677 Meanwhile, Freeza keeps getting resurrected despite being someone who _revels_ in being a murderous, tyrannical lunatic (and also because Goku is a battle-hungry idiot).

I really hope she comes back so that all that character potential wasnt wasted

listen here, I'm not naive, but I don't think you understand her character. As we know, her character has been discussed a lot since Inazuma, then by Childe and Scaramouche, and I think it would be very silly if you believe all the info about her. Arlecchino itself is a parallel or has similarities to Furina through theatrical concepts and misconceptions. You can see how Arlecchino appears in the Fontaine preview trailer on the theater stage surrounded by harbringers as her audience. Arlecchino also said he likes it when people have misconceptions about her, so don't be surprised if he is the opposite of what people think about her

Nahida herself called him evil. He’s ended bloodlines and help manipulate soldiers to their death. I love scaramouche but he was destabilizing nations before, during, and after being a fatui member. At least Ei was doing things in the nation where she makes the rules, regardless of they were fair or not.

They really could just make a young segment playable that’s him before the atrocities

this is actually the reason why I think she might return, arle voiceover towards her is kind off out of place like, you don't give a positive information about someone who's irrelevant and dead, I can see them redeeming her character later...

@@fromAshesReborn24 It definitely gives me a shred of hope, I also thought something similar when they had that flashback of her and Scara talking to each other in mean banter, I thought they were drawing comparisons between them on purpose. But if she doesn't get revived in Natlan I'm just going to assume they're done with her sadly. Fingers crossed though.

@@fromAshesReborn24Cope😂

watch it on the app youre on now

Cope

Calm down, her character arc wasnt even begin😂, Fontaine is just prologue to her character, considering she is related to Khaenriah Dynasty i dont have a doubt her character will get alot attention in the main story later

@@daffafatih8669 that doesn’t negate the fact she was first debuted right before Sumeru, was given multiple quests lines for lore, and marketed in a way that made it seem she’d be heavily involved in Fontaine but was barely on screen during the Archon Quests. In terms of how the other harbingers have been introduced and spoken of before getting active, Arlecchino is just very unimpressive and boring to me. I’d think differently if her own quest and had a few other tidbits had leaned into her ancient lore instead of trying to go against the image of her being crazy and unfeeling that the game itself presented for more than a year.

They had to backtrack hard.

@@jonathanrobinson198 I think it's just a matter of taste, maybe you like the harbringer who is aggressive and dominant in his debut and role in the region. Regarding the issue of whether she plays a big role or not, I think that Arlecchino actually plays a very big role in Fontaine, it's just that she plays more on the political side than other harbringers who have to step in and work hard to get gnosis, she is very diplomatic, in fact I think she is the only harbringer who deserves to be called a real diplomat, and plus she was the first person to realize that Furina was not a hydro archon, who then gave instructions to HotH to save the drowning citizens of Fontaine. I think she is someone who is more concerned with sitting and drinking tea while negotiating and talking like a diplomat, compared to other harbringers who take very arrogant and confrontational steps like signora, tartaglia, and scaramouche. the three of them weren't like diplomats at all. Regarding how many characters or NPCs talk about various perceptions about her, from a wolf in sheep clothing to a selfish person, these are just various misconceptions from other people that Arlecchino wants. Her character theme is closely related to the theater theme, even in Fontaine's overture trailer she is on stage talking about perceptions and deceptive personas surrounded by many shadows of harbringers, as if she is exuding a false persona in front of the harbringers who are her audience Regarding why her ancient lore hasn't been discussed in the game, it's probably because it's not the time yet. She is closely related to Khaenriah as a descendant of the ruler of a dynasty that has a hereditary curse, of course this contains a lot of lore that Genshin players should not accept at this time and will probably be discussed further ahead of the Khaenriah chapter. Moreover, there is a possibility that the Genshin anime will discuss her dynasty and ancient power, considering that the Genshin anime will be used as a lore summary which will take place during the archon war era, where the dynasty led by the ancestor Arlecchino was already established in this era. For me, Arlecchino is the most enjoyable harbringer so far, its fresh to see a real diplomat comes to action

@@daffafatih8669 I think youre missing my point. I don’t need a Harbinger to be aggressive out of the box. I think Dottore is amazing and he schemes in the background. My two main issues stem from Hoyo giving players information to create a misconception of a character for multiple years. It means anyone who was actually interested in that kind of narrative or character has waited for nothing because the points of interest aren’t real or heavily misconstrued. It’s one thing to do that for a patch or two, but another if the drip feeding of info from the beginning isn’t correct at all. Second, Arlecchino talks a lot about people needing to take matters into their own hands, and defying fate where I god could not; then isn’t even in the room to learn the truth behind everything and ultimately didn’t achieve what she thought she could. Everything went as Focalor wanted. Nothing was stopped with her efforts aside from offering the idea of a curse at work and saving half a town. Skirk told Neuvillette to get rid of the Gnosis so he had no issue giving it to her when asked in the first place. Then leaves. She’s not even from Fontaine and made her show up just to push the appeal of her caring about the kids. They even gave her a voice line saying she’d betray the Tsaritsa if it came down to it, so from every angle of a harbinger doing their job to her actual contributions so far in the story, she’s by far the least impressive and interesting to me. Dottore at the very least orchestrated openings and applied pressure to get gnosis and the years of lore Hoyo gave Scara to stir interest for people, didn’t turn out to be inaccurate the moment he’s advertising for being involved in an Archon Quest. I’d like Arlecchino a lot more if they talked about her fondness for the orphans from the start and not two years later.

Not really, Those 4 have much worse history. Childe at least attempt and it's not happened but those 4 are really a cold blooded. Murder is much worse than attempted murder.

did u even watch the video because she explained the osial thing pretty well. he didn't want to kill people, but in his mind putting them in danger was necessary in order to obtain the gnosis. he knew morax was alive. his plan was to summon osial to lure morax out so he could obtain the gnosis.

@@bonk8311 womp womp childe is still one note. he contradicts himself. he was only acting foolish bc he knew the god was still alive???? Lmfao bffr. Causing a commotion on a grand scale to the point of gambling with peoples lives? Send him to an Asylum

@@bonk8311 Lmfao but still risking the lives of ppl in liyue. Flat and a one note villain

@@avizz2133 this has to be bait

not exactly. he was after traveller specifically. he says he was after monds savior. he didn’t kill that one millelith in his way, so i doubt he was trying to kill fischl and mona. they was kinda irrelevant to him

No??!

@@keyland_ why not? Raiden Shogun made her good

You mean....the only good Fatui is a dead Fatui?😂 I agree, she was a bitch.

I actually like the plot where we as players are kinda forced to work with Fatui in order to do stuff. What I don't like is hojo jumping between "Evil group that seems to want murder peoples" to "These guys seems to work on saving the world". In Monstad we encounter them for first time and they don't gave us good impression, but then in Liyue this troupe continues just in the end to reveal that Geo archon himself works with them and 'cause of on of harbringers being kept in dark, he almost destroyed whole nation, but again we have time to learn about this particular harbringer so we start seeing him as good guy and that maybe Fatui ain't that bad, just to again show them as bad guys in Inazuma and Sumeru, with small lore dump that again shows them to probably have good intentions. And there is Fountaine where local harbringer and hers child soldiers army wants to work and help us in everything, even local authorities closes an eye on their actions. I mean, it's cool that every harbringer has their own goal and we can clearly say which one is douchebag and which is a good person, but with a bit twisted mind. But I can't stand the jumping i described earlier. Just make it simple, Monsters > Badguys > Bad but with good motive > Morally grey with good motive > Actually kind "good guys" but with few black ships

Putting ei above scaramoose 😐

Midtorre trashcharacter😂

well ei didn’t do it with bad intentions, she set him “free” in her way because she didn’t want to kill him off like miko requested her to

Not to be that one guy who goes "ErM aCtUaLlY🤓" but compared to other villains in genshin,Raiden really isn't as bad especially Dottore and He was the one who actually experimented on the guy, while she "set him free",but everyone is entitled to their own opinion!💪

tw; longer than i expected i used to have the same negative outlook on raiden but i dont quite think its what the writers inteded her to be, so ill leave a short analysis of her character here that will hopefully alleviate your views on her. things aren’t black and white, and nor is her character. she’s a complex female antihero who despite everything just wanted to do what she deemed correct, especially given her circumstances. she’s an archon that doesn’t quite understand human emotions (something scaramouche had greatly suffered from) and that’s okay. despite the outcomes, she’s canonically one of the most selfless archons that just does what she considers best for her people, not to mention that she’s sacrificed inconprehensible amounts of her mental and physical wellbeing for her nation’s sake. imagine locking yourself into an echo empty domain for 500 years, or marge into a losing battle for centuries on end just to sustain the hope that maybe your civilisation that almost died at some point will forever remain standing. that kind of selfless dedication and sentiment is admirable on her part and should not be mistaken for blatant dictatorship. yes a lot of her actions overlap with the actions of a dictator, but they beared completely different intentions to that of a dictator, because unlike a dictator, raiden never seeked power. she seeked safety and preservation of a nation she’s been vigorously guarding for centuries. and the only reason she’s hurt so many people in the process is because she didnt quite understand them, nor the fact that her actions are going to hurt them as much as they did. hence, the same can be applied to scaramouche, because abandoning him was never her intention, she just wanted to set him free without comprehending that he (as a bearer of human emotions) will interpret it differently. raiden is someone who greatly struggles with evaluating emotional suffering because throughout most of her life, she has been doing nothing but exposing herself to it by suppresing her basic needs and normalizing it. suffering was made an ordinary emotion to her to the point of hardly distinguishing it in others, including herself.

@@idkijustexist8558 You and those paragraphs are absolutely slaying 👏😙

I wish Miko would have just offed Scaramouche as she intended so that these brain-dead comments would stop. Fk u Ei for being so empathetic towards a prototype robot.