The R3 T20 Problem 

I got killed by Spookston in game a couple days ago and was hoping he was making this instead of him actually being evil

Dont forget my least favorite part of fighting them, the SECOND they start shooting you, you are just blind. Even in third person the smoke cloud that stupid gun kicks up is immense and hard to see a target through

I once saw a guy that said "If a sherman is stupid enough to let an r3 close enough to kill them - they deserve it" I was like "120 km/h?"

I once crushed this thing to death against a wall with a kv2. Most satisfying thing I've ever done in war thunder

"the this problem" "the that problem" starting to think Gajin is just one giant problem

Gaijoob: "I hear you,I hear you Spooktoon, its performing poorly,thanks for reminding" *Introduces F22 Raptor and downtiers R3 to 2.3*

Gaijin be like "Italy would've singhandedly won ww2 if they'd produced more R3's. But mussolini was an idiot so they didn't" "The German blitzkrieg only succeeded because the Italians sent R3s in to save them" "If Italy had built a bridge to Tunisia, they could've just sunk the British navy by lining it with R3s"

This is why I make the joke “It’s a tank destroyer that has the ability to destroy planes” Like, I’m a full time italian player and even I want a 5.7 r3...

“The R3 can move up to the 5.0 range, and still perform just fine” Well ask and ye shall receive I guess

“R3 isn’t overpowered,” **Proceeds to kill multiple children**

"The R3 isn't over powered and is at a good BR" "just shoot the R3 with a 50. Cal ez kills" Me in my T-34: "gee why didn't I think of that"

"the only tanks that you simply cannot kill with the R3 is the KV-1 and the T-14" I was literally killed by an R3 in a KV-1E, no joke. Apparently, he shot the side turret ring, under the turret but above the hull in the tiny crevice, and it ammo detonated me because the HE fragments went into my tank? I was so furious when it happened. So yeah, not even KV-1's are safe from this Wirbelwind on wheels.

What's worst is yesterday i was playing a kv2 and i don't know how but a r-3 ricocheted my shot like what the fuck gaijin my shot should've vaporized the that lunchbox

I mean, just your line at the end of the video pretty much sums it up; "It would still have Shermans and T-34s it could kill, but there would be a lot more heavy tanks to worry about" We're having this discussion about a _self-propelled AA unit._ It's a vehicle designed exclusively for anti-air defense and it's so out of its historical context that it's absolutely murdering medium and heavy tanks left and right. It shouldn't be killing _any_ tanks, let alone getting top scores in several matches I've played.

"The R3 isn't overpowered" And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself

"even the churchill isn't safe" me, who fears churchills: well then-

3 days ago I shot an r3 with the HE round form my kv2, hit him in the dead center of his side and it killed his engine and loader... that was literally it an aluminum box getting shot with a small bomb and it shrugged most of it off

*_"I'm driving circles around ya!"_* *R3 T20*

When you mentioned KV1 resistance against it it reminded me of one of my previous game. Still has the footage if interested: Only player left. Already point cap/ long cap to win. Only facing anti air. I was holding my point with a KV1 and 1R3, a Whirldwind and another AA pinned me down. Gunbarrel and tracks. I though i was dead but not of them could pen me. None even tried to set me on fire. Which could have been fairly easy. But i ended wining to time up and mote tickets left. Very satisfaying.

I remember killing a R3 in early game at 800mts with 50cals... that was satisfaction... then he respawned with a breda and killed me :/

wirbelwind users: We are the most powerful SPAA in the game R3: Aight imma end this SPAA's carreer

well i mean it is a 80's vehicle fighting WW2 tanks. Nice ''Historical Accuracy'' gaijin

Another issue causing the reduction in stats for the R3 is that whenever players see it, they kill it with impunity.

This thing being like 6.0 now proves how broken this was

Wait I am the only one that didn’t know that the r3 can swim??

I am the AMX-13-M24 killed at 3:10. While I was enthralled to finally play with my favourite war thunder RU-vid, I was ABSOLUTELY PISSED that an R3 snuck into that position. Normally I would check a corner like that but being so early into the match I had no idea you would be able to hold that position. I think this is further evidence of the growing power creep between post WW2 vehicles being places in lower BRs against 80 year old tech. While I am not against new vehicles being placed against late WW2 vehicles there isn’t really anything I could do in this situation with the AMX-13-M24 turret traverse. How can early to mod war vehicles compare? Cheers thanks gaijin.

This game hasn't changed in nearly half a decade that's crazy

Weres the enemy team. R3 t20: gone reduced to atoms

Now 3 years later it's 5.7 with penetration nerfed 2 times and with stabiliser removed... and I'm sad.

The Italian SPAAG problem in general M15/42CA R3 T20 SIDAM 25 OTOMATIC ...

"Gaijin employees talking about R3" -We can put an anti-aircraft from 1980 that the Italian army refused to use because it did not serve them ... -What's your name and what weapons do you have? -It's called R3 T20 and it has a 20mm barrel with 53mm penetration at 0m and 0 degrees, it has a two-axis barrel stabilizer and the best thing is, it's very fast -And what BR do we put it in? -I would say go at 3.3 -Are you crazy? it is a 1980 vehicle it would have to go on 6.7 or higher - If I agree that it is in 3.3, it does not have much penetration and is made of paper -And so it will be, it will be at 3.3 *8000000 user complaints later* -Oh no, users say that the R3 is op and we would have to nerf it or raise the br ... I told them that if it was at 3.3 it would be a bad idea -Nah relax ... Go up to 3.7 and that's it - * sounds of frustration * Ok you are the boss so ...

it feels great once you finally catch them

I used the T20 all the time when playing italy. I knew from the get go it was cancer and I didnt lie about it but it was the most fun I've had in the game. It gets you tons of kills and makes you laugh from stupid things. I use it in 8.7 games and I get the same amount of kills as I do in 3.7. The thing is grossly overpowered

When your talking about the pen stats it reminded me of the American-180. The concepts basically if you shoot enough bullets somethings eventually gonna get through

They multiply by getting wet , then they turn into pure evil if they get fed after midnight. I stopped playing 2.7 lineup because I kept getting full up tiers the Sherman 105 is already bad enough at a slight up tier, the damn 50s don't swing fast enough to get those dancing Gremlins. I always say one way to nerf them is to nerf their mobility not reducing speed but actually making them prone to getting flipped over. I got flipped onto my side in a slow moving milk truck on a slight incline these things do motocross flips and jumps always landing on 4 wheels. and if they do land on the side no worries the Italians invented anti gravity in the 1980s to counter my 1942 tank.

Spookston: R3 shot in tires without hullbreaking My Milk truck when tires hit by AP: Tank Burnt down

SPAA also generally have shit stats on thunderskill regardless of how good they are

"Heavy tanks to worry about" Well, you can kill kv1s frontally through driver sight.

There is one very simple way to fix issues like this........ Removal of them problem.

So basically gaijin nerfed it and brought it to 6.0 ... thanks gaijin. Not like italy has a great lineup anyway.

I played with you when you were filming this, I was the guy struggling with the M42. I got so hyped when I realized you were making a r3 video.

WhAt PrObLeM!?!?! And thank you for explaining the obvious.

People are forgetting it's not just about always facing ONE 'R3' on a server at one time. I have had many games with 3 or more, worst when they pack fight. I think the most I saw was 6 in one game all at once. The other issue is it isn't just bad for the opposition sometimes it makes it no fun for their team mates. R3s capping over and over, at worst bring the game to end very quickly, means team mates have less opportunity to get SLs or spade or just have fun having a equally sided quasi historic game. If I am on a team and see more than one R3 spawn, I try to warn the opposition over chat. And at 3.7 it gets to see 2.7 uptiers, Try to fight in a stock M4 or worse your secondary M4A1 vs t34 57's , KV I C 756's and Churchill III's ( especially German premiere ones) which are almost immune to any pen at all and then have a R3 or two roll up and side gut you while blinded. Then they race all over the map capping every spawn, blow all the friendly CAS, and then their aerial blitz comes once your team combines to finally 50cal the R3s. Its nothing to do with realism or history or fair game play.

Fun Fact: The gun model is also used in a game by Gaijin, called Crossout and it is called the vector. I have used in, and it is pretty good for its level, but no recommended as a main gun I play as a support drone carrier.

"I think I figured out why gaijin hasn't done anything about it" Its because they are lazy stupid greedy and incompetent, you don't need to write an essay on it lol

new player: Oh wow, so this is war thunder. I bet ill have a good time! R3t20: I'm gonna have to stop you right there. or R3t20 players: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

Just earlier a guy came 1st using R3 only, shot down 3 planes and killed 4 tanks. The main reason it's kept down is BAD players using it by just charging forwards, in good hands it can be surprisingly powerful in combat, especially with the ability to just zip in and out of combat (Had to chase one down in a Cromwell across multiple villages and terrain but even off road catching up was not possible). This is also a headache to even fight in the Cromwell as even front on you are very vulnerable. I don't always agree with your assessment of things WT but I definitely do here and thank you for presenting a solid and cast iron argument against the R3, It's still common on reddit to be defended. I'd also be interested in your view of TECs take, that Repair cost balancing is fair and not an issue.

2:30 this man just dropped the cleanest transition ever and thought we wouldn’t notice

That thing it the clearest example of why War Thunder needs vehicles with post-war technologies (dual axis stabilizer, HEAT-FS, APFSDS, thermals, laser rangefinders) to have a separate matchmaker from the ones without.

When spookston mentioned the KV-1 being impenetrable to the R3, I managed to take out a gunner on the L-11 once during operation suffer. Forgive my sins but I needed that mexas.

and here we are 3 years later and it's moved up to 6.0

the r3 is so strong that i actually avoid 3.7 but the main problem is that it has the possibility to go down into a 2.7 to a 3.7 battle which at that br it faces rank 2 light armored tanks also for some reason it is possible to kill the t14 by shooting the gun and the engine though the 50cal can be used you can also take that out by shooting some rounds into it

It's really incredible how good this thing is. I can EASILY get no death, 6-7 kills games very consistently

1:48 uh.... I suddenly dont feel as safe in the Churchill anymore

When i used to play the R3, especially around this the time the hate was high, people would see you play it, and then would borderline witch hunt. from teamates telling the enemy your position, to some DOS attacks. It was straight up op, but the lack of any SPAA in italy from the R3 until 8.0, kind of forces you to use it if you want an AA in your line up. But the fact people went as far as it did to people who played the R3 nearly caused me to quit. I'm only saying this now, considering any time i mentioned it in the past, people would either defend the witch hunting, or someone would try to witch hunt that i played the R3.

Another weak spot for the early t-34s that I’ve found is the side of the turret ring at point blank to 200m. You can usually knock out the ring itself and completely screw them

(Part one, I can't reply to myself it seems) Okay so, this isn't so much a *R3 T20* problem at all, but instead a *player* problem, and I have many reasons for this. >Firstly, it's a player-made "meta" issue (for anyone unfamiliar with the acronym, no it was never a word: *M*ost *E*fficient *T*actic(s) *A*vailable). Players dictate how the game changes, and in what fashion, and have ways to do so. But inevitably, you will *ALWAYS* find a vehicle that defines itself as the best at its battle rating, depending on your playstyle. However, "Meta Players" will play vehicles that are the most effective overall, instead of playing to their own style, and will create a sort of system that punishes you for not playing the same way (I.E. bullying bombers and attackers in Air RB simply due to how easy it is to kill them and not supporting them because they want Air RB to be a TDM mode than anything else), and should you complain you'll likely be told "Well play this way" or "Maybe don't do that then" or "Get gud", or even get insulted over your stats, which is a whole other issue for a whole nother time. >Secondly is the mistake that War Thunder can and should be a "simulation", that is to say, should mimic real life. While the mechanics are not nearly as realistic as DCS or IL-2, it also is *WAY* more realistic than its larger counterpart, World of Tanks. But while the mechanics are certainly realistic enough, people want *more* from Gaijin to be more like a Simulation instead of just a casual game. They want more vehicles at top tier, more mechanics for top tier, more "historical" matchups, more "immersion" and more "realism". Essentially, they want to play games like IL-2 or DCS without downloading them, and that's just lazy as hell, and stupid as hell to boot. Implementing, for example, an FCS (*F*ire *C*ontrol *S*ystem, which is found in some Cold War and modern MBTs, can rangefind, designate and target an enemy, and all the gunner has to do is fire) being implemented means a LOT of Russians would suffer more than they do now (as if most of their tanks not having thermals wasn't one-sided already) and would turn Tank games into click battles, and remove a lot of player interaction, not to mention that adding such realistic measures would undoubtedly ruin a lot of people's love for the game, as there are a great many people who play WT *just for the vehicles*.

Strangely I think this was the first Spookston video I saw, which after a couple of months of watching his channel, lead me to download the game.

I do remember killing a Kv-2 last minute of a match with the r3.

Wait it only take 9 seconds to reload this? There are many tanks that take longer and they don't have to climb out of the vehicle to do it. Realistically it would be over a minute and you'd have to be stationary, although realistically this wouldn't even exist so..

as someone who went up to 5.3 for the first time, i was surprised to see this little guy. High mobility with a high fireate big cal fully-automatic gun is just a nightmare. This is a more mobile, more powerfull ZIS SPAA which is absolutely insane when you think about it.

Just watched PHlydails video on this

It’s dumb how this thing was made in the 80s and face ww2 tanks

"Technically they did. It just didn't fix anything" Just like every other "fix" they do

I only have this in my 5.7 line up because it tears through m18's. I wouldn't mind a jump to 4.3 or 5.0 if they do move it. 4.3 cause thats when shit gets armored.

Beside R3, what really grind my gears are the repair cost of the pz4/70v are increased ro 7k recently. I mean wtf dude, i kill 5 enemy with it and only made 7k-ish reward too ffs

I bore witness to something truly terrifying while playing my 4.7 German line-up recently: An R3 cavalry charge. No less than SIX of the little buggers lined up, swarmed over the first two caps, and then rushed the enemy line of Shermans, cruiser tanks, and Churchills. It was total chaos, they lost at least a quarter of their team before the R3s were driven off, either killed or scattered. Then they had to contend with the firing line of Brummbars and captured KV-1s that had formed up at cap point B during those shenanigans. Now I play Italy, I LOVE my R3, I've killed a friggin Jumbo in it before and every engagement is pure adrenaline. I will, however, admit that it's too low in BR. It could easily be 5.0, or even higher. I still use it as a last-ditch backup in my 8.0 line-up. I feel that another reason behind the lack of uptiering for this little racecar from hell is probably the fact that it's an AA vehicle, and I don't know if it's just me, but I have a hell of a time hitting planes with this thing. In fact I have a hell of a time hitting planes from about 3.0 up until I get the built-in lead indicator on the SIDAM at 8.0. Uptiering the R3 would only exacerbate that problem.

I love how I add to the R3 problem😂

hey man, I just saw your video for '' A slight accident '' after that and I remembered the time when I played that solemn plot music in the background before departures. you could also talk about why the war thnder soundtrack is not that good [so much that this song is already in oblivion. it's not even played in the game anymore], I think you already talked a little bit about it in 'how to fix war thunder', but it is for everyone this indication and I would sincerely like someone to ask me: the name of this song is "Angel of Vengeance, Take My Side"and is no longer played in the game

Fun fact, an R3 took my 9.0 M60 out from the front by penning my mantlet so that's a thing...

I've seen many people play this at higher BRs as well such as 5.3, while still performing adequately or even be in the top brackets for score. This just plainly shows how much of a monster this is down at 3.7

R3 is now 5.0

Hey spooks gaijin just had an Q/A. Mind doing a video about small maps on top tier matches? In which most of us believe is just plain wrong.

there is no problem with this tank, never complained because i was only ever killed by these things once every 10 matches, in fact I just found out that people now think it is op, i completely disagree, it's extremely balanced if you ask me, low pen, high fire rate, fast, but easy to kill, very balanced imo

Wow gajin did something about it, but ofc not just moving it to 5.0, no, that wasnt enough for them. They wanted italy players to never ever have fun again, so they decided they should nerf the stabilizer to a point where even the sherman one is better, also they put drift Tires on it, so that if you drive fast you have no control, your acceleration sucks (as long as your not in a City map) and the Thing that was once known as probably the most mobile tank in the game now gets outspeeded by Tigers when in snow or mud

you got what you asked for, its 5.7 now and it gets put in 6.7 every game so its pretty bad now but then again its an anti air not a light tank

well now its uptiered and they added something worse in its place in the form of the leopard aa ...thanks spookston....

I just think this thing looks hella fun tbh, I can see why the people who play it love it.

now its at 6.0

4:21 man he truly got it right

I like how a vehicle not even presented until the 80s is pitted against WW2 vehicles

jesus this thing sucks now

through years of playing WT, i just gave up if there are overpowered vehicles, only thing i can expect is just playing/enjoying over powered vehicles, not waiting for the “balancing update” especially r3 t20 will rule the game for really long time since gaijin balances with players’ stats and most of r3 t20 players are go-kart drivers

1980s truck vs 1940 tanks Gaijin: yep thats historical

"It also happens to fight interwar / early WWII vehicles" wtf?

dude that thing bullied my Jumbo i'm speechless 0__0

The boss you fight vs the boss you unlock as playable character

Spookston:the r3 is op R3 trying to sneak attack me Me: *literally falls from the bridge and uno reversed the r3* *Actually Happened*

It should be mentioned that the R3 completely made some playstyles impossible & useless. Like the ASU57. Used to be my favourite thing. After the third time dying to one at random I had to admit it was pointless. Taking an ASU in your lineup is a gamble right away. You're dependent on getting in a somewhat good position early. But the R3 will intercept you before you there. And then the only way left to play the tank isn't so much as an ambusher anymore, but as a camper from the back with all the other SPG's, but with a less capable gun and less survivability.

I do agree its speed is the main thing that makes it so effective but that is only on roads, off-road it is slower, in the snow it is slow and in the sand it is slow.

really cant beat the Halo:ODST rain soundtrack. brings back so many good moments.

So basically it’s the war thunder version of the MKII in gta5

The Fact that my man is driving backwards and I can't even tell is not right

Well the R3 got nerfed harder than anything ive ever seen. oh well

The halo reach music made me cry at the end because halo reach and because I live in a world with that thing

I keep like 5 explosive shells on me just for them cocky R3’s

how to play the r3 step one: spawn in with r3 step two: rush cap point step three: get 1-2 kills step four: die step five: spawn in better 4.7/5.0 italian tank

The KV-1 can be killed easily with the R3, you need to take out the tracks. Drive up close to the side of the KV-1, aim down at the tiny space where the turret meets the hull, and you can ricochet rounds into the tank killing everyone in the turret. It's vital you aim downwards on the turret ring, it won't work otherwise- although no high ground advantage is needed, it can only be done when you are close to it.

I've never had a problem with R3 whilst in tanks, beside one time when someone rushed a camp spot and waited for players to pass a corner, but i've always had a problem with it in planes, where the R3 will just eviscerate anything from a fly to and bomber in the sky

if they restored teh R3 to what it was with the full stabeliser and more ammo and whatnot, and set it up to 6.0, I doubt it'd struggle at all as it is a great vehicle. it'd get less tank kills obviously, but it'd still do the AA role well. I have used it at that BR as it is now and I did just fine with it.