@@shazaz1059 I preferred it. It made it much more noticeable when the radio effect drops from his voice. I can't really hear if/when that happens in the show.
@@mangodip2170I feel like knowing a little less about what he was capable of and only hearing about it from “word of mouth” or seeing glimpses, actually did a better job of making his character more intriguing and intimidating. Still love the new alastor, but he definitely could’ve taken a page or two out of the old one’s book.
@@MrMelonsz while there were definitely points where his powers were showcased a bit much, or just felt off (namely giant alastor in Dad Beats Dad), there's only so many times you can do word of mouth and implications before it becomes hot air. Yes its intriguing and intimidating, but it reaches a point of "ok, but can he ACTUALLY do anything or is he just creepypasta sound effects". As it is there still seems to be a fair amount of his power we're yet to see, as well as the implication his deal is stunting his power, so we'll see how it goes
@@MrMelonsz i do agree, i wish they kept it more subtle instead ot adding 73 shots an episode of him looking sinnister and stuff. i feel like it would make him seem more scary with adding an air of mystery and making the viewers wonder the extent of his capabilities
I missed the random radio sounds that accompanied alastor in the pilot all the time. The random sound effects in the pilot sound out of place in certain scenes but the ones played around alastor sound natural. Because well he’s the radio demon
well this is the thing I can definetly see where you are coming from but listening to the pilot and the current show, I think they made the right choice toning the sound effects down a little because I can barely even hear Al's actual voice in the pilot but in the current episode you can actually hear his voice a lot more clearly
Alastor saying “fuck you” is unexpectedly hilarious because you don’t expect him to swear, because he seems to be above it but as it turned out, in the pilot Alastor never swore but in episode 5 when meeting Lucifer he just goes down to his level literally and metaphorically just to insult him.
Al's so reserved when it comes to swearing. He's only muttered a few curses about Vox under his breath in "A day in the afterlife" comic, and that was when he was alone. I think the only reason he said "F*ck you" to Lucifer was because he's the king of Hell. If it were anyone else he probably would've foregone swearing and just tear them apart.
@@TeeHeeTwinkleToesit’s not out of character at all, IMO. He knows that he can’t touch the king of hell so this is all he can get away with to express his anger.
It's interesting how there's a very clear difference between how touchy-feely Alastor is compared to the pilot. In the Pilot he's quick to shake hands, lean on people, etc. In the show he rarely touches people, gestures to things with his cane, leans out of the way a lot, shakes Lucifer's cane and then wipe his hands off later. I think the most physically close he gets to people are Mimsy who's a old friend, Nifty who's a special case, and Charlie specifically to spite Lucifer.
I find both versions compelling since the original emphasizes the old-timey radio host persona he puts on, and you still get the impression he doesn’t prefer to be close with people outside of performing necessary theatrics for his profession, suggesting that he has always been a capable manipulator… but the standoffish affect captures someone who is realistically under duress and who used to be some serial killer or otherwise fucked up guy, somebody who detests being exposed as vulnerable. So anyway since the pilot seems mostly canon, both coexist well.
the tap dance sound made no sense when he was just walking around. sometimes he was even walking on carpet and it still made it. so in my opinion its better now.
Because it was the ORIGINAL also the art style was different had more emotion regardless of the dusty it was made though the heart and dedication. The other was made for steaming still good though
@@darthrevan4933 I kinda prefer the old Alastor in that aspect. The new one I feel "shows off" too much. It feels like he is *trying* to be intimidating. The old one felt not only powerful, but powerful enough that he didn't feel the need to demonstrate his power. This let your imagination run wild with what he would be capable of. I also wish he had at least one good, dominant fight before his near defeat by Addam.
@@CommentPositionInformer I kinda prefer the look behind the mask the pilot version came off as sort of a Joker twisted psycho archetype and that’s been done to death where this has a different (and somewhat refreshing) feel to it
It might still come. In the Pilot it only spoke in one single scene. The thing I miss is that Alastor's presence and remarks were followed by sound effects and laughing tracks. That isn’t the case anymore.
things i miss: the way his filter fades out every now and then the radio noises that seemed to follow him (frequency scrolling, bass overload, snippets of actual radio stations) things i like: a presonality that fits his archetype way better being less giddy and more sarcastic being shown his demon form in more natural ways (it feels less forced) his role in the hotel is much more present
His filter still fades out sometimes. In Episode 5, he asks Husk "What is it?" without the filter, implying the filter may be something he can turn on/off. He still does have radio noises that follow him, it's just been turned down a bunch. His role in the hotel is still very present, he's literally the one keeping the hotel afloat. Personally, I like both versions of Alastor.
My favorite part about new Al’s animation is how sometimes he smiles wide enough to see his gums, and it just adds so much ferocity to a normally very calm expression. Top notch
@@Pabloto-dq3sx i draw a lot so it’s something I tend to catch, its very appealing when done right. Its the kind of detail that you dont notice, but your brain did.
Old Alastor felt a lot more conniving, jokey and patronising while the new Alastor is a lot more outwardly hostile, with a shorter temper and way more demeaning. This could stem from him apparently being on a rougher spot than he was in the pilot, someone's fucking with him and he's clearly on edge because of it.
You're not wrong. Series Alastor fits a lot better with what the series is doing, between its portrayals of abusers and faster pace. Pilot!Alastor would have needed room to breathe and build up that the format doesn't allow--Series!Alastor is hostile and demeaning, and when he hits hard it keeps the plot going. Also, while Pilot!Alastor had enough affability and charm to sneak into a found family dynamic early on (jambalaya, anyone?), I can almost see Series!Alastor getting more at ease with the cast, getting into a better spot, and easing into something closer to his pilot characterization. Assuming that the series theme of redemption extends to "ruining the villain" or "I can fix him" vibes, anyway.
In the first episode of the show he says he wants to see people fail. My biggest complaint about the whole dad thing (because it was obviously done to get at Lucifer), is that the whole scene was really the first time Alastor was talking to Charlie since the pilot (unless you count the commercial conversation which was more of a group thing)
He was clearly trying to manipulate Charlie, so she's would reject Lucifer's help offer. I don't think he even cares for Charlie that much. He just wants to pursue his own goals
I don’t dislike the new Alastor, but I get two completely different vibes from the show one and the pilot one. Like feels like they’re two different characters.
Banal because in the pilot he was a gimmick and seemed to them a very dangerous guy from whom it was not clear what to expect. In the current episodes they +- got used to him, but that doesn't change the fact that part of the character's atmosphere was flushed down the toilet
@@arctical417 Literally, in the pilot he was polite but intimidating and only ever liked to annoy Vaggie. In the show he’s really random and hardly has conversations with any of the protagonists, kinda feels like he’s just, there.
2019 Pilot Alastor acted much more like an old-timey, eccentric radio show host to me. He was more energetic and mischevious, and his evil intentions weren't directly obvious and in your face. He was more fun. New 2024 Series Alastor is good, don't get me wrong, but they are clearly working harder to make him more openly bad and coniving. To me, it feels a bit more like they are taking an every-day villian and adding Alastor's looks and powers to it. I miss old Alastor that was more playfull and sarcastic, really.
yes!! this!! 2019 Alastor was a kinda more special/different villain. Not the typical "bad guy". and as u said, not that obvious as villain. Also, as u said(lol), he was literally talking like a Radio reporter from 1930 or sth. Now he is more like joking around, talking like a "modern" villain and it feels off and forced on him. Kinda out of character. Personally, Im also annoyed that he starts always talking of himself like a egoist. Like the scene in the Meeting "I bet you all wondered why I disappeared". I mean, it just doesnt fix to his character that he has to point out WHO he is. In the pilot he did it in a elegant way of showing n not randomly talking about hisself💀💀
Dude I cant even begin to explain how dissappointed I was when I saw the first few eps. Back then he had this charm to him, like a humble yet charismatic radio host. The show version Alastor just feels like the writers are trying too hard to make him marketable and edgy. He always seems so passive-agressive, unlike the the pilot version. The pilot version even had a softer design compared to the new super sharp look.😭 #bringbackpilotalastor
@@kodabear2856I also feel heavily like the old VA (Edward bosco) had a great transatlantic accent that made the radio effect seem way stronger while Amir heavily relies on it to sell the part. (I love both, lean more towards Ed but this is my observation/opinion)
@@battledroid7628 in shape design, his round and bouncy self in the pilot felt like he was one of the good guys since round shapes are used as a sign of trust in design. In the new version they not only did make his design more sharper but also triangular. Triangle in shape design his the form of evil and danger, many villains and antagonists in games and cartoons have a triangular shape or a more sharp design. It means dangerous
@@nalathefox1983I think that's the issue, back then he was clearly evil but he was friend shaped, now he's still clearly evil but he's also villain shaped, it makes it more obvious he can't be trusted, his pilot design makes him less predictable, his personality clashed with his design in a way that kept you guessing as to what his motives were, or even who's side he was on
Is it just me or does pilot al sounds more like someone who is actually from the twenties and actually has experience with radio. I feel like now its just someone with a radio filter
All fax no printer 💀 what happened? It’s like they decided to let an edgy 14 year old (that has no idea what a dude who died in his late 30s/mid40s) speaks like, mind you) write his dialogue
Well it is a totally different actor and a slightly different writing team. Changes are to be expected. Unfortunately following on from the Ed Bosco and the script in the pilot was always going to be difficult. I think they did a good job, but it does feel like a step down.
Let me tell you, Alastor is one of the best characters, for the simple reason that you never know exactly what he's thinking. He made it clear on his first meeting with Charlie that he doesn't think redemption is possible for Hell's sinners, yet he still helps her get the hotel on its feet. Makes you wonder if he's got another motivation beyond the need for entertainment. Furthermore, his interactions with Charlie have become less frivolous and insulting. It's like he's grown to care about her.
I think it could be a Lilith thing, but I don't know what exactly. The amount of time they have been gone for is the same (the 7 years that keep getting mentioned) and Husk did say something about him "also being on a leash" in one of the newer episodes, which provoked a very extreme reaction. That would also explain the instant, and very blatant, dislike that he has for Lucifer and the need to insult him aiming at what he is self-conscious about (trying to be a good father)
if you don't like getting into analysis - then fine, but from what I have seen so far all characters have a purpose in this story and all are there for a reason, not just for the sake of being there - as they should, since everything in a story should happen for a reason and not 'just because' @@gulpingulpin3910
The problem is that you can't see really well that change in the series. In fact the things I hate the most about the seies is that there are soo few episode and the time is too wide between them (like every episode is 1 month) and so its super difficult to see how the characther grow. For example Angel's attitude is complitely different from episode 4 to 6 but we don't see how much effort he put into changing and tring to do the best things, we just see he is now acting right or at least he is tring really hard to do so, and Angel is the character where we see the most change and growth . In Alastor we only see that at the start he is mean and that in episode 5 he really care about Charlie and the Hotel whitout the two of them had any interaction, also we got almost more Alastor screen time in the plot than in the whole series, even if I know this is gonna change because he is going to have an episode dedicated to him.
I feel like he was way more expressive and comedy focused in the pilot. Like an old time cartoon character and the show version is way more cynical and sinister. I mean he still has some slight cartoon like movements but he keeps them on the downlow. Like the little cane spin behind his back … though I guess with some parts he needs to be a bit expressive with his body language since he can’t stop smiling
yeah maybe its the fact his face isn't constantly on the same smile . the newer one probably does a better job as showing him being more dangerous.. do miss the older design tho
Pilot Alastor was very shifty and had strict difference between his friendly and scary moments making amazing contrast. New Alastor seems pretty much always the same. He looks more aggressive all the time, his voice doesnt change that much and he becomes “scary” very often which kind of deletes the whole contrast thing
I feel like old Alastor often went off-model quite a bit and his sharper features became more rounded, making him seem more goofy and comical at times, it kinda reminded me of how some older animated comedies were animated. Now he stays on model more and his sharper features are retained and no longer squashed and stretched (his new design actually is less round in general, opting for sharper curves or curves that go into a point).
I think its the eyes. They used to be circular, now theyre more angular. Personally theres a lot I prefer about the pilot animation but his eyes are one thing i think are miles better in the show
i rather like that it allows him to better blend into the background, to let charlie and the gang take the spotlight it gives a sense of him quietly plotting
Well the show takes place a week after the pilot. It could be that he used an overly enthusiastic mask as a selling point to get him on charlie's side. He probably dropped it over the course of the week seeing as it was only charlie, vaggie, and angel dust that needed persuasion at the time.
Rather than It being that he got leashed after the Pilot, I feel like he already was leashed, but he used that more energetic personality to buy Charlie Into being a part of the Hotel, like some type of marketing
I liked pilot Alastor better because of how CONTRASTING his scary moments are. Don't get me wrong, show Al is still terrifying, but you see it coming. Pilot Alastor is so charming and upbeat that his snapping points are a lot scarier and less expected, and that's what made him so lovable and mysterious. The show really just turned him into an egocentric jerk.
Pilot Alastor was upbeat for exactly thirty seconds before he went for the “I would have done so already” The pilot was also MUCH quicker to explain Alastor as a murderous disaster who went around killing overlords
Sorry, but an egocentric jerk is exactly what he is... He always looks forward to being the most powerful person and cares a lot about how others perceive him. You can see how offended he is when he isn't recognized and how shocked he was when Adam almost murdered him so easily.
Basically. I like that the show made you see him as a more serious character, but they completely removed his goofiness from the Pilot and now every time he’s on screen you feel like he’s up to something
I like Pilot Alastor’s writing and voice work (the buzz and acting alike) more. The buzz was a lot stronger and the voice acting was more consistently old timey.
Thank God I’m not the only one who noticed the change in Alastair’s character. I don’t mind Alastair in the show but man do I mourn the loss of Alastair from the pilot
Viziepop has changed a lot with a lot of the characters because they dropped most of their introductions. For the average viewer who isn't up to date on the pilot (and if is canon), there's a bit of burden on inferring the characters for who they are. They defo toned Alastor down and removed his "I do this solely on my entertain!", removed Alastor's true purpose for a sense of mystery and intruiged, and gave him that period of absence in the real show. If they had more time in the beginning it wouldn't be as bumpy as it feels now. But they're doing a great job on keeping important aspects of characters 'n whatnot like his filter.
From what I’ve heard the Pilot is still fully canon. I actually tend to recommend people watch it before Episode 1, they flow pretty well from one to the other.
I prefer hazbin hotel over helluva boss because helluva boss kinda fell off after like the sixth or seventh episode imo. It just feels like that show never progressed and if it did it got no where and became dull
From what I can tell nothing about the Pilot and Episode 1 contradict each other. Alastor appearing at Hazbin Hotel isn't really much of a public return since, aside from him absolutely obliterating Sir Pentious and making his support for the Hotel official, he doesn't really do much. As such the Pilot is most likely entirely (or at least mostly) canon to the official show as additional media. Honestly I'm more curious if the Addict music vid is canon.
If I had to guess, its because the newer design is drawn with a lot more detail and harder edges. Not to mention Old Alastor is much less angular and more expressive than his current counterpart.
Fr, the old one looks like the younger eccentric sibling while the new one is the older brother who is either subtly done with life or just mildly pissed.
God I remember when the Pilot came out people complained there where too many sound effects an it took away from the performance. Now they take it out people complain its not there.
It's just people being pissy and wanting the originals back. The show is way better with voices and animation, yet this comment section is full of people saying that the pilot was somehow better in every way
This happens with everything people complain, creators remove something people complained about, people complain about things being removed. That's how nostalgia works some movies were hated in the past but decade later began to be loved by everyone, there are countless examples of that in various media. That's how nostalgia works.
I enjoyed the radio sound effects around Alastor because it made sense if they were coming from him directly. The other sound effects in the pilot were a tad distracting but it grew on me.
"They Changed It, Now It Sucks" is a Trope for a reason. I'm honestly glad that I only rewatched the Pilot after jumping into the series. Alastor was my favorite from the first, and I was able to enjoy him in the series before reminding my brain to go, "They changed him, yuck." (Also, I might like Pilot Alastor more, but I like the overall series better than the pilot, and Series Alastor fits better in the series. So yeah.)
Because it's different people taking their turn to complain. The people that silently enjoyed the effects in the pilot are now complaining, while the people that complained about them are now silently enjoying their absence.
He went from a silly but threatening goofball doing this for entertainment, to a stuck up jerk. Not gonna lie, i love both if them, but they feel like completely different characters
I feel that the two are different in smiles. 2019 alestor has a smile that looks like it's glued to his face, and he's always happy. With his constant movement and everything But the actual show looks like he is putting on a persona with his smile. Like he dosnt move around as much when speaking. Maybe it's just that we have seen him in more stuff that he shouldn't be smiling about, like when Husk said he was on a leash.
It's interesting that in the show proper, he smiles even when no one is around, or in completely inappropriate situations. Like his part in episode 8's song where he's singing alone. It does give the impression that he genuinely can't control it, that it's painfully stuck on his face in some manner. I think animation differences are huge too, pilot face was more subtle and dynamic in it's expression of the smile and the actual episodes seem like his smile is creepily plastered on. Both are cool! Just different.
What are you talking about? Of all the characters, I think he has changed the least from the pilot. He’s shown a bit more of his hand and we’ve learned more about him, but he’s still Alastor. This was always the plan.
@@NotEnoughCharactersForMyUserna Alastor used to have an old-timey charm and mysteriousness to him while only occasionally leaning into his morbid personality. New Alastor is just annoying, you can feel the writers trying to make him the next straight-to-merchandise Tumblr sexyman trying to recapture the magic of Sans and Bill Cipher with constant quips and one-liners followed by a 'ooh but i'm ACTUALLY super scary' moment. For every great line like 'this face was made for radio,' he's got an equally eye-roll worthy amount of 'the proper medium to express onesself'/'that was a productive meeting' zingers and 'this is what happens when you mess with the radio demon!/I will tear your soul apart and broadcast the screams!' lame-ass 'scary' lines. Maybe he was always intended to be this way, but he's 100% a character that has been hurt by getting more screentime.
For folks who aren't able to put their fingers on the difference, Pilot Alastor is unrepentant to the point that the word itself feels like an understatement, while on air Alastor is obviously a psychopath but tries to carry himself much more gentlemanly, and is surprisingly socially adept for how much effort he puts into being an antagonistic prick to others when the mood strikes him. Big example I don't think people are considering enough, when he tells Mimzy to leave, it's because she got the joint wrecked a bit, but also because he knows damn well that she won't participate in the hotel's aims sincerely and he doesn't want that in Charlie's business. So at some point Alastor went from thinking it's a complete joke to taking it seriously enough that he at least has moved to only wanting to see genuine participants go through the cycle of failure he thinks is the outcome here.
I think he takes it seriously in the show more because he's on a leash and (im assuming) someone is pressuring him into helping Charlie work this out, whereas in the pilot there really isn't any proof that he's indebted to anyone and is just in it for himself
Pilot Alastor does have that vintage cartoon/cuphead feel to go with his mannerisms. If Ichimaru Gin (or a Night Lord) was a Looney Tune, he'd be very Alastor.
Pilot Alastor : Compelling, warm, charming, always in control and also very polite. TV Alastor : Cocky, shows off power to establish control, less charming, cold, and worst.. *He's sloppy.*
One thing that strikes me is even though the lines and colours in the pilot need work, the movement is actually far smoother and fun to watch. The amazon show animation can feel pretty janky at times.
theyve made his filter cut out way more often than it did in the pilot, and honestly im loving it i think it helps convey a little more emotion- like his "true self" is poking through the veil a little
@@SportsFan838 not really he plays it up too much like he's trying to prove a point like a short guy trying to pick fights with tall people especially when he lost his first major fight
@@HeWhoWatched because the show's trying to fit in the new media, vivzie just said they don't want to look like a classy old school mickey mouse animation anymore and that's completely fine. And it would also be completely fine if it stayed the same.
I honestly rather pilot alastor In the show he’s more demonically powerful In the pilot he’s more demonically horrifying also the radio sound effect is a lot less effective than the pilot. I also loved and miss the vintage sound effects within alastor.
Highly doubt the Exorcists would let her keep the angelic spear.. and instead she got a new one, especially since it doesn’t have any of the traits an angelic weapon has.
@@endgamer7896 true, but why would she leave such a dangerous weapon? That makes zero sense and I believe it’s just a plot hole or a forgotten piece to animate.
@@Pint-Sized-SlasherAnd why would she threaten Alastor if his weapon is just a common weapon? I'd say it's just a plot hole that he didn't take the gun away from her.
Honestly, I like the aesthetic of the pilot more, everything looks softer with less harsh lines... I love the show don't get me wrong, but there's something about the pilot that I just miss.
personally, i think the sharper shapes works better it helps convey a more.. almost dangerous feel it works especially well with characters like alastor and husk but the soft style definitely fits charlie more
the new animation is definitely neater but man the pilot was so fluid and expressive... makes me want to go back to 2019 and experience it for the first time again lol
i think the new alastor is a lot more emotional and vulnerable which is honestly disappointing- in the pilot he was so unreadable and unpredictable which is what made him so dangerous. now i think he’s too expressive, which strips his character of its intimidation and makes him less dangerous.
@@su_patatita_1951 The whole thing with lucifer, his interaction with vox, the way he reacted to husker calling him out. Everything he did was out of emotion, not entertainment. Like don't get me wrong i don't hate the new alastor, but the old one was a joker, this one is just another interesting character.
@@ameerodah7671 Lucifer was the only time I really felt Alastor was emotionally vulnerable, Vox was way more emotionally vulnerable than Alastor and Al managed to get the upper hand on the TV Demon without much effort before threatening him. Lucifer and Husk were the only times I really felt that Alastor’s composure was broken (there was the tiny bit with Carmilla but Al didn’t really do anything besides a mean look for a second or two). Lucifer is fine because, well, it’s LUCIFER. If there’s anyone who should be able to break Al’s composure, it should be him, although I do think that the manner in which it was broken isn’t the best. Maybe we’ll learn more about that if the whole Lilith connection is true. Husk also is fine to me since he pushed the wrong buttons this time. He cusses at Al, pokes him in the chest and all around isn’t the most respectful, but Alastor never gets mad, but when Husk dares to imply that Al is a pet, all bets are off. Overkill? Yeah a little but that scene was fucking cool and intimidating so I’m not complaining.
I love how at 0:18 when he says “I haven’t been that entertained since the stock market crash of 1929” you can hear a stage audience laugh. And 0:13 when he says “What a performance!” You can hear clapping. I miss his old voice details.
I mean, Al only swore 3 times during the show. Once at Lucifer, calling Susan a bitch, and again at Adam. Yes he never swore in the pilot but you also have to realize that was just him getting a feel for the situation. There is no reason for him to swear. Just like how he doesn’t swear anytime else during the show. Hell before the prime show came out, there was a comic where he walks by vox’s tv stuff and starts cussing him out under his breathe. So he does swear, but only when he feels very strongly about something
You know... considering how long it took for the Hazbin debut... VizziePop missed out on a prime joke opportunity. Lilith and Alastor should have been missing for 5 years XD
I feel like Alastor is a combination of like cryptids and like internet lore like sirenhead Wendigo and his radio nature is like the mix of like old and kind of creepy nature of whispers and tales shared on radio with rumors and such
I like Alastor's portrayal in the pilot but it's important to remember that a pilot's job is to show the cast's full potential, so every character in that episode had their personality cranked up to 11. Alastor now is still incredibly similar as the show goes on, his mannerisms and radio bits are just more spread out to match the show's pacing, because honestly it can get kind of exhausting having that going on constantly.
Noticeable differences: pilot: more close ups, doesn't interact with cane very much, very expressive face, s meter in his eyes is static when using powers, has body movements that are purposely rigid and has an accompanying audio que, has a laugh track/ a multitude of raido sound effects One thing to note is that his powers are both radio and elk/stag based now, when in the pilot his abilities seemed to be more radio based. With only minor elk/stag aesthetics. One of the many reasons why he is likely so powerful, he draws abilities from a source based on technology and another on nature. Vox draws his powers solely from the television as a source, technology which is inherently based on and can only exist because of radio waves, which is Al's power. So Al also has that creepy wendigo/leshen/forest eldrich horror stuff to work with.
It's hard to describe what it is that makes the pilot's animation look better to me. I think it's because it looks drawn the whole time, whereas the official show sort've looks like they're drawn puppets? It's more stiff, I guess. The colors and art style consistency are leagues better, though. You win some you lose some, I guess.
Well it’s mostly because with the pilot being 30 minutes, (estimate) they put all the budget into it where as in an 8 episode series they need to be able to spam the budget out, they just use the same models and time to time add hand made expressions. But I agree with what you said.
Imo the pilot is more janky and idk....stiff to me? The new one is much more fluid and the lines are consistent instead and having characters whole face shape be changed. Crazy how much the team has improved.
@@razoreniye2038 I'm just going off the clip here and my memory for the pilot, so maybe it is less fluid overall. But what clips I've seen of the official show, it has a less hand-drawn look to it. The only thing I can think to compare to it is the latest Lackadaisy short, where two characters are playing chess. That has a fluid feel, as though everything is alive, instead of just the mouth or a moving limb. Whereas, what I've seen of the official Hazbin show, has moments where a character just squeezes into a different pose, or flips instead of turning. Maybe it's because it's a very fast paced style? I dunno, it's hard to describe. And, again, maybe the pilot did have more stiff animation, I haven't watched it in a bit. These are just at-a-glance observations, and they're more preferences than critiques. But yeah, the improved consistency is great. The looks are better, I'm just not really a fan of the movement in a few scenes. I don't know if I'm even making sense, really.
@@bluelfsuma theres actually a reason theres less general movement in the show! its waaayyyy easier to have a still face and only move the mouth instead of moving the entire face. most shows actually do that but i TOTALLY get the stiff movement your talking about- especially one scene from Happy Day in Hell, when charlies running up the stairs- its like theres no weight or momentum there. id guess its probably because of the sheer amount of animating the team has done, with 2 seasons in production for the show
Lmao for me, the fact that I didn't even notice till you pointed it out is a testament to how unimportant a detail it was! Nice touch for sure, but I don't think I was the only one who wasn't aware haha
Actually, I think new Alastor's character suits his story better than pilot's one. In pilot he looked like a goofball which can be intimidating when he wanted to, but in the series he became THE threat and evil itself. Now it looks like he's not just goofing around for entertainment but actually manipulates demons, use them as their puppets and kills uninteresting and troublesome ones. I still like pilot version but this one suits him better imo
I liked old Alastor more. He had more of a silly attitude, but also his voice made me scared of him because I could TELL that he was a bad person but he covered it so well for me until I watched the pilot a few times, the radio effect and the show-host personality really pulled his whole thing together as well as the other sound effects. I also enjoyed it when he had less simps.
I like his current design more than the 2019 one (I especially like the new white stripe on his suit; it makes his design pop more), though I think his actual character in the 2019 version is a little more fun. I thought it was cool when the radio static would convey his emotions (not just when he was angry).
I still miss Edward Bosco's voice. Mainly the Bassy aspect. The new actort has the high end down pat, but the low register bosco had brought this incredible menace to him when he got serious.
As much as I enjoy Alastors beef with Lucifer, I think it’s kinda absurd that Alastors that openly hateful. Feels weird that Alastor, a overlord, isn’t scared of Lucifer’s power. Surely he’s the most powerful being in all hell.
Alastor is a sociopathic narcissist, he refuses to fear anyone because they're all "beneath him". Lucifer is one of the only people seen as "above him" so he is immediately hostile towards him. Also considering that people like Vox and Val aren't afraid of Charlie's connection to Lucifer, I don't think Lucifer really abuses his power much otherwise every sinner would be kissing the ground Charlie walks on out of self preservation.
I think he *is* scared, and is trying to piss him off as much as he can because that's all he can do. He feels threatened when he's not the most powerfulin the room
My impression is it’s similar to Alastor, Lucifer hasn’t been publicly active for a a long time so people forgot he’s a genuinely powerful and frightening being. Odds are he probably would’ve made Alastair into a Clown and used him for Lucifer’s “Circus of Pain” for everyone in hell to watch and remember who runs the place, but Charlie was there and he clearly just wants to be on a good note and same page as her. So he didn’t do anything too…intense
I was thinking that too. Alastor is powerful, but is he really that powerful to the point of where he can be openly hateful and express his anger towards Lucifer??? I mean, the guy is the straight up ruler of hell. You'd think that even Alastor would show some respect or back down. You could argue that well, since Lucifer is Charlie's dad it does make sense for them to have similar personalities not wanting to really hurt anymore, but it just feels a bit odd how there seems to really be no threat for Alastor except for potentially Lillith.
I love both versions. The pilot Alastor seems to be more mischievous and "clear" as to what he wants to do. The new Alastor is more quiet and reserved, at least around the Hazbin cast.
Alastor sounds more otherworldly and inhuman in the pilot. In the show proper, he’s all too human. Snarky, arrogant, and above all else petty. Both are interesting characterizations.
It sounds like the old Alastor radio filter was on all the time fading in and out occasionally, but during his creepy moments, the radio filter converts to a much deeper and clearer subtone voice that instills fear in everyone. That "I would have done so already" was the most terrifying and coldest line ever delivered. But it seems the creators decided to reverse it, making his voice clearly heard most of the time, but during his creepy moments, they add the radio voice in. I can understand the logic, but the radio voice actually takes away from his creepiness and his voice during normal conversations without the radio filter just makes him far less unique and distinctive from everyone else.
I remember when I had huge crush on, Alastor and pretty much everyone when this first came out. Now because of the redesign I’ve got a bigger crush on, Alastor and everyone even more. 😍
It was so much fun to see him having the time of his life everytime he could pester Vaggie during the short pilot, in the series he just does whatever she wants....they nerfed my man, I'll never forgive them. Also him saying words like "b....tch" or "I'll end your f.... life" seem so out of character and edgy.
When I look back where Alastor in the Pilot was like “Dear if I wanted to hurt anyone here…I would’ve done so here” especially how his voice becomes so powerful and demonic along with the radio sound. When I look at the new one I mean it’s not so bad but the pilot of Alastor just spooks me still.
Same here. The old one felt actually threatening. Felt more threatened by him then I every did with Stolas or the other powerful demons. The new one, well I'm going to steal pilot angel dust's line here "Him? He looks like a strawberry pimp."
I feel like I’ve watched the scene with Husk 10000 times and have never seen it so intense and glitched. If that was you editing it, absolutely well done! It’s a stark improvement over what I remember
I can't quite place why but I feel like the personality changes feel very natural for the longer form medium of a whole series, compared to the short, conceptual pilot
Definitely love what they’ve done to build Alastor’s character. The pilot makes it seem like he’s genuinely chipper with enjoyment in his mannerisms, but in the show it feels 100% like the facade he explains to Charlie in Ep7. Show Alastor is prideful and struggling (and we know why he’s struggling), and he uses his smile to convey control, even when he doesn’t have it. It’s stiff, and you can tell he’s always planning something behind it.
Like any first meeting we try to put our best foot forward, or in this case manipulation, so it kind of makes sense he would change a bit after settling in and becoming more "comfortable" I see the less radio sounds and less theatrics as him feeling he doesn't need to impress or intimidate them anymore. He already wormed his way in so he doesn't need to try so hard
Alastor in the pilot was the goofy version of "fuck around and find out" Went from -10 to 100 if he felt like it In the series he's just a narcissistic edgelord Still amusing But nothing compared to the pilot
@@richardch.4356 It just feels like the pilot version knows how powerful he is so he doesn't care much at all in general The series version feels like he knows how powerful he is and HAS TO let everyone know most of the time There are times where there are minimal to no differences But the parts where it counts feel very different For example I can't see the pilot alastor say "Show them not to mess with the radio demon" It's just a pilot I know But still
@@richardch.4356 for me it sometimes feels like he's a completely different character That's how I perceive it When the trailer dropped, I was completely disappointed with the voice But now I think it really fits But nothing compared to edward Bosco
After watching both of them, you can really sees Vivzie’s style in the art and especially the animation, referencing her old work. Now its all sharp and professional in the amazon series.
