This is probably the most exciting product I've seen in a while, can't wait to get my hands on one of these! ETA, when you revisit this board please stack it up against the Pi Zero and the Pi 4 in power consumption, as that's one of the biggest draws of the Zero over the full sized Pi in many projects, even moreso sometimes than form-factor. Keep it up!
@@microlinux Thanks, Man! If you happen to get the chance, could you through out some numbers for idle as well and perhaps a mention of methodology (idling on desktop, idling on commandline, HDMI disabled, etc). Big ups!
@@darnell8897 ohh. That is a bit too much haha. I Sorry. Probably ETA will do that measures on next video. I commented just to clarify this is a very low power sbc.
Hey, sorry I missed your reply earlier. Yeah I realize it was a big ask! Thanks for the quick answer to my question about the current draw. Definitely gonna get one of these headed my way.
@@marcoborrini5243 My point is this is a replacement for all handhelds ever. I personally have bought so many Cheap handhelds to do one thing or the other and it keeps upgrading so you wana get one when the Chinese Market has anything new. Not anymore i will not buy or use any handheld except this.
Thanks for the first look on this. Two quick thoughts.. the Zero W has wifi/bluetooth and might be closer feature set to compare than the native Zero. Also I would love to have seen the power consumption of the Radxa and how that compares. I have couple couple projects where I went with Zero W because it uses a fraction of the energy as other Pi's while only giving up a little performance.
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It’s always just as the pi killers start to show up when the pi foundation surprise us with a new board, so I’m looking forward to the next zero model to replace this like the current zero W did the ntc chip, may it rest in pieces…
Spec-wise the CHIP wasn't really better than the Pi 0 though, it just packed a few more features while being a bit bigger. The OS was basically the same as the pi, so the community was never really out of options, whatever was needed, pi stuff mostly applied anyway. It's ironic that what was arguably it's biggest feature ended up killing it, (well, besides being the child of a dead parent company), the goddamn flash that rots away and the online flasher going down with the company!
@Shriadid what do you mean? As I said already, CHIP wasn't really better than the Pi 0, so comparing it to the Pi 0 2 doesn't make any sense, it's an upgraded 0.
Please include the pricing as well in the next video for the different models when comparing to the Pi Zero and Pi Zero W The reason for why the latter two are popular is because of their very very affordable pricing, I don't think the one you were running is going to be as cheap as they are.
Their very affordable pricing and very low power consumption. With this kind of steroid specs, there's no way this board will scratch a notable percentage off the Pi Zero market, as it will definitely be in a different league in at least one of these categories.
Agreed, people seem to forget that the #1 attraction to the pi is the price, and if your SBC costs 4x to 10x what a pi costs, it is no longer a competing product.
@@maximusdarja Where do you get all this? Pi was never low cost. Only Zero and Pico are affordable. And that 512mb of RAM is very limiting. Pi 4 costs comparably to x86 SoC. #1 attraction was always community and support. If all you care is price, than Orange Pi exists, but something tells me that you'd reevaluate after you try it.
@@Mr.Leeroy I bought my last five pi zeros for 5 usd a piece. But i was speaking in general, where there is this trend of "OMG PI KILLER, look at these stats!" Then when you track down the price it 200 bucks. If you mean my statement about the price being the number one factor for purchase, well that was from the Pi foumdation and those who developed the board. I sbould mentio that the original price goal was 25 usd, and ended up at 35 usd and a pi 4 full kit will run you 80 usd.
Thats what i have been searching for. pi zero lacks power to do arcades. pi 3 and 4 are to fat for my cotroll stick. android onn box dont work with zero delay.
@@davefarley4318 with a small board you can fit a larger battery.that is an advantage over HDMI.lol it's ok if it does only have HDMI because of optical cables that can be reduces and flattened.also you won't be able to do 4k without hdmi
I'd never thought I'd say "PiZero Killer" but this might be it. I wonder if Batocera on this board can handle PS1, Dreamcast, Atomiswave/Naomi, and PSP.
Great demo! Love the power, love the emmc, but - the one asterisk on the "same form factor as RPI0" claim is that this board (and the Banana Pi) have components on the bottom, which adds to the effective depth and might make it a deal breaker for folks trying to squeeze it in to small project. I have to imagine it will be fine for a large majority of people. I will certainly be buying a few!
@@shlokshah5379 there is already portable hdmi lcd that even come with the case for pi 3/4, for this case the empty space can be useful for other part like battery or just design and make your own case with 3D printer
Damn I just had a look at their forum, this thing is insane. Definitely opens up multitudes of projects with this power to size ratio for their listing prices.
In 5 more years ETA will be talking about a sbpc the size of a grain of rice: "Easily emulates PS5 but you're going to have to lock it at 60fps...fits nicely into a tyelnol capsule-sized case, I'm running retroarch on it with no problems..." Love your videos dude!
@@TheNpcNoob I agree. Many are using them for their own security systems and creating their own cloud. SBC computers are more in vogue than we can imagine. Nobody talks about them but mention that you have one, and suddenly you have a new friend. LOL
The cost difference doesn't make it a "Pi Zero killer". That is like saying a Porsche 911 Turbo is a "Ford Focus killer". It is a similar size, but that is all.
This looks awesome. I used to have a portable pocket wifi storage thingy done on rpi zero w, but it lacked speed in general and was limited to usb 2 speeds. Now with this with better specs and usb 3 there is a lot to be done with it. The questions is: is it compatible with rpi zero w battery modules? usb/lan modules?
One of my favorite things ever made with Pi pcs is the Piboy, which was a emulation handheld in a gameboy chassis and powered by a Pi zero. I'd love to see a new version with this powering it instead.
Okay, for those that don't realize it, this is _basically an Odroid C2_ (which also uses the Amlogic S905 SoC) _in a RPi Zero form factor._ That's basically a RPi 3B+ amount of power. Which is just nuts for the size.
Raspberry Pi Foundation definitely needs a refresh of the Zero form factor. Could they get the power consumption down on the Pi 3 SoC through a die shrink?
@@richarddukard8989 well, you can make a handheld with an HDMI base display. it have mostly cons. a bit more power consumption ( but its low anyway) and a more expensive device. the only pro its that you will have excellent display resolution changes (HDMI displays can handle that much better than DSI) . it is cool for a mini laptop.. but, hdmi displays are expensive ones!
@@richarddukard8989 yes, look. I would look forward for the new pine64 SoM for your handheld. Its just much better than the cm4 abd will work on your device with a proper carrier
This is amazing. I was recently lamenting that I had a plan for a custom handheld project using an open cell monochrome LCD display, but all the SBCs out there with decent specs are absolute chonkers due to the bulky double-height USB-A and RJ45 ports. No DSI out is annoying, since that's the main way to interface with phone display panels and such, but for something this small, passing that off to a dedicated daughterboard might be feasible. Main challenge from what I can see would actually be setting up the battery. It's only power-in is throughone its USB-OTG port, which means you can't easily plug it into a PC without disconnecting the battery, and that's a giant pain in the arse.
I just finished one fo your older builds, where i put a rasp zero inside an SNES controller. And IMAGINE this thing inside that SNES controller. That would be amazing, and powerful
Looks fast. Peeked my interest. ETA you mentioned LCD screens with ribbon cables. Can you post a link for one of those? Also I would like to see Batocera running on this thing.
Anyone else impressed by the size of the NIO 12L? Tiny powerhouse with a Genio 1200 chip? The possibilities are intriguing! Hearing about the Nio 12L for a longer time!!!
Very cool, I wish there was a SBC specifically for 10GBe NAS type of use case. Maybe even to do some transcoding but w/e.. nvme cache slot 2-4 SATA ports sfp+ port built in sipping power even under load (minus the drives of course) I also wonder if this is going to help the plethora of small linux tv boxes out there that are using similar chipsets
Oooh if a kit using this SBC to make a handheld emulation console was released I might get it! Id' get the most powerful variant of course, but damn.. such power in a small package! Such power. much wow! I'd like to see Linux on here please! Great video!
After watching @explainingcomputers review on this sbc I came back to check if there was something new about it around here. When will you be testing Batocera on it?
on a serious note, if radxa gives device source so i can compile android by myself, this would make a nice tiny android tv module that you can camouflage behind a display
Yep, cheapest one is $15 though still very impressive 512MB LPDDR4 with WiFi4/BT4 - 15$ 1GB LPDDR4 with WiFi4/BT4 - 20$ 2GB LPDDR4 with 8GB eMMC, WiFi5/BT5 - 30$ 4GB LPDDR4 with 16GB eMMC, WiFi5/BT5 - 45$
Hey ETA Prime, do you think you could get that waveshare GamePI15 working on it with batocera or emuelec? I know you said there's no DSI and only display over HDMI, but i'm wondering if hdmi over the gpio with a tiny gamepi LCD would work.
I'm not that much of a fan of Radxa since my Radxa Rock is a paperweight. Ok, the board does work but there never was an update to the OS it came with. Android 4.1! The specs look nice, but will it run next years kernel?
Expected (but very much subject to change!) price points, as takenfrom the Radxa forums: - 512MB LPDDR4 with WiFi4/BT4 - 15$ - 1GB LPDDR4 with WiFi4/BT4 - 20$ - 2GB LPDDR4 with 8GB eMMC, WiFi5/BT5 - 30$ - 4GB LPDDR4 with 16GB eMMC, WiFi5/BT5 - 45$ Comparable processing power to an Odroid C2 but with more features in less than half the size for less money than a C2 was going for before the C4 came out (which was $46 in the US from Ameridroid).
Once you have the board powered up, you can disconnect the power cable and run the device purely off of HDMI power. I know it sounds bonkers, but it works... I can do this with devices up to Raspberry Pi 3b+.
Great device. We have a Manjaro installation video. We also have some pictures in the Manjaro forum that it has some touch support with the Radxa Zero. But does someone use Manjaro with the Radxa Zero? Recently someone posted a review about Fedora running on a Raspberry Pi 4, which works but has issues. What about Manjora and Radxa Zero, is the Radxa Zero with Manjora usable, and is the Radxa Zero in general usable? I can find hardly any users who report that they use it.
Love it, but… the first one of these boards that fully utilizes usb-c for power and display is going to get all of my money. It’s okay if it’s a bit bigger… I just want less cables
@ETA Prime you can already buy the board from Radxa direct store Allnetchina - not sure why you said later this year in your video? Also isn't it S905Y2, not S905X??
@@adamcottrill2575 Unlucky as the 1st batch of dev sample must of gone. Next full batch is already in production. forum.radxa.com/t/introduce-the-radxa-zero/6550/95?u=stuartiannaylor
