The Real ‘Border Czar’ Defends the Biden-Harris Record

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Republicans want to label Kamala Harris as the border czar. And by just looking at a chart, you can see why. Border crossings were low when Donald Trump left office. But when President Biden is in the White House, they start shooting up and up - to numbers this country had never seen before, peaking in December 2023. Those numbers have fallen significantly since Biden issued tough new border policies. But that has still left Harris with a major vulnerability. Why didn’t the administration do more sooner? And why did border crossings skyrocket in the first place?
Harris was not the border czar; she had little power over policy. But to the extent that there is a border czar, it’s the secretary of homeland security, Alejandro Mayorkas. So I wanted to have him on the show to explain what’s happened at the border the past few years - the record surge, the administration’s record and what it has revealed about our immigration system.
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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin and Aman Sahota. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Ariel G. Ruiz Soto, Dara Lind, David Frum, Jason De Léon, Michael Clemens, Natan Last and Steven Camarota.

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@justgivemethetruth 8 дней назад

Thank you again for finding the point, getting to the point, and exploring the point from an objective point of view.

@archigoel 8 дней назад

You mean form the GOVT pov.

@meks90 8 дней назад

@@archigoel this is the way it is for every western European country too. you could go to school, graduate and start working before the legal process is exhausted and even end up being accepted.

@justgivemethetruth 8 дней назад

@@archigoel Nope, I meant just what I said. I don't subscribe to your Trump conspiracy theories.

@swansuz 7 дней назад

That is his job. And it certainly reflects more truth than the previous administration.

@justgivemethetruth 7 дней назад

@@swansuz true

@bluedreams517 8 дней назад

This was so enlightening. I kept thinking just much the narrative around immigration has been watered and dumbed down in our culture. It makes it easier to fit ones approach into simple slogans and "solutions" that doesn't actually help the system. I also don't know how we distill more complexity into our culture of sound bites, memes, and emotional bait. Or to foster the patience needed for large systems to reset after implementing shifts.

@nossenkanter 2 дня назад

It's called propaganda to justify something that has no happened in hundreds of years of American history 🤡 Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump did not allow this extreme amount of illegal immigration.

@lonelydronerfl5184 8 дней назад

Many folks have oversimplified the border issue. The in depth analysis was eye opening.

@rf4969 6 дней назад

What a shame that most Americans will never understand this issue or how fortunate that Mayorkas was in this position.

@servandopatlan6150 8 дней назад

Thank you for intelligent reasoned education on this important issur. You all forgot to contrast the declining USA birthrate. When your kids do not bring children, we need immigration.

@cartman2027 8 дней назад

Legal immigration would be nice.

@doricetimko5403 8 дней назад

@@cartman2027did you listen to the entire segment? Do you understand the importance of critical thinking skills for all?

@tbone8636 8 дней назад

@@doricetimko5403, did you scramble your brain in the microwave before finishing this comment? It makes zero sense. "Liberty and Critical Thinking Skills for All"!

@fredschnerbert1238 6 дней назад

*Dem AOC says we should HAVE less kids"for the planet"* *But yea, then IMPORT millions of people from countries* *where people look like her?* *Yeah,there is no racism there*

@markacohen1 5 дней назад

O boy an actual interview, tough questions, knowledgable answers, as other commentators below have said, you leave as a listener enlightened. If only the MSM, which I largely enjoy because I’m entertained when in bubble mode, could manage this one hour a day…we’d be better off.

@doricetimko5403 8 дней назад

Thank you, gentlemen, for providing thorough yet concise and relevant info on this topic.

@russelnw4530 8 дней назад

“Mass Due Process" not “Mass Deportation"

@doricetimko5403 8 дней назад

Perfect!

@tbone8636 8 дней назад

Another tag line that sounds deep, but upon closer inspection is revealed to be completely shallow. We already have due process in this country... What would you suggest we do with people who enter the country illegally? Nothing?

@russelnw4530 8 дней назад

@@tbone8636 what is described here is an effort to increase the capacity to address asylum claims. If the backlog is multiple years, the answer is to break the bottleneck in judicial review. Mass due process isn’t shallow. It means we have e to have the capacity to deal with all claims, legitimate or illegitimate. The result may well be deportation. In fact if the numbers he quotes hold true, it could be 75% of applicants are deported. But “Mass Due Process” means everyone quickly gets their day in court (or in administrative review.). We can hold onto our constitutional principles, treat people with dignity and resoect, but do it expeditiously.

@hochhaul 6 дней назад

Third world migrants will transform the US into a third world sht hole. The decline has already begun.

@fredschnerbert1238 5 дней назад

@@russelnw4530 *Yes, BUT he changed the RULES* *He isn't USING the UN Asylum rules* *You don't have to be a targeted "group" to qualify* *You can qualify as a targeted PERSON by a GANG* *Do you get that if YOU ARE in GANG BLUE* *You will be a TARGET of GANG RED?* *So ALL gang members NOW qualify for Asylum!* *UN Asylum RULES were carefully written!!!*

@rogersjolly1 2 дня назад

Total bunch of B.S.

@muay_khao 7 дней назад

Big opportunity here for government to do some good. Survey employers from the Springfield-like communities of the country, find out who needs a few good employees, then back at the border, if you're going to admit these people anyway, send a manageable number spread out across the country, with the job lead in hand, and the employers ready to receive them. Don't allow 20,000 to one place. Instead, send 500 spread amongst 40 Springfields. Put stipulations on their border entry that they must go where they're setup to be received.

@fredschnerbert1238 6 дней назад

*The city REP from Denver, told a group, that NY city and *Chicago gave out better benefits,then Denver did!* That doesn't sound very compassionate for a sanctuary city*

@susanlippy1009 5 дней назад

This ignores the reason that groups settle together in the first place. They like us want to live in community. Settling together gives them support of community. Allows extended families to stay together and makes it feasible to have religious and traditional practices maintained. Their children get to look out into the community and see others who look like them instead of being alone. Could you imagine being dropped off someplace you don't speak the language, you don't know the culture and you are the outsider. They succeed because of the communities they build together.

@muay_khao 5 дней назад

@@susanlippy1009 it doesn't ignore it, it's just how it needs to be. Many examples of mass migration to one place not being good.

8 дней назад

Will the real border Czar please stand up.

@destubbed 2 дня назад

Ezra I appreciate your attempt to get to the bottom off this issue but i am afraid you failed. This guy did not speak one thing worth remembering, he avoided, he obfuscated he distracted but he never never told the truth. I just don't think the truth is something he deals with on a daily basis. My god I about crashed my bike twice.

@topcat999 5 дней назад

his questions sound misinformed/not researched

@carolp9196 7 дней назад

She clearly has the power to change the border outcomes. She did not do anything!

@oldasrocks9121 6 дней назад

No vice president has any legal authority or executive power to act upon border security or immigration policy you ding dong

@debbywaldron6664 6 дней назад

You clearly didn’t listen.

@rabbit22255 6 дней назад

@@debbywaldron6664 I mean this with no offense, you clearly don’t understand that not everything is as complicated as people make it out to be. “The simplest answer is often the correct answer.” Immigration does not replace declining birth rates, we need higher birth rates because relying on immigration is going to make the same problem happen again in the future because once those immigrants get settled here what are they going to do? The same as the rest of the people on average! You people are seriously foolish if you think this dingus is actually the border czar, why would he wait this long to come out and explain this? And if that’s so, why was Kamala Harris literally appointed to be “in charge of the border” by Joe Biden! Even if this is the “real border czar”, the situation at the border is so horrendous that Kamala Harris is actually pretending to be hard on the border! Literal clown world!

@carolp9196 5 дней назад

@@debbywaldron6664 Not to you!

@vineetgera9212 7 дней назад

Much ado about nothing

@OConnorCarr-b7l 7 дней назад

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@existentialvoid 8 дней назад

Indefensible

@jeffreyvollmer5417 8 дней назад

This is the first time I’ve listened to Mayorkas speak at any length in a press interview. My God!!! He speaks in such a convoluted way with such slow cadence. Why would anyone want to listen to him? Pete Buttigieg needs to inservice his Cabinet colleagues on how to speak in public interviews. This Mayokas guy may be more than competent and up to the job, but he is a deadly snoozer of a speaker.

@raincadeify 8 дней назад

I don't mind the pace, but the how carefully crafts his language with passive voice and generalities that could leave one with the impression our current border policy is a migrant support system. Kinda of fascinating. I appreciate that Ezra was on it and pulled him back to focus on what's actually happening. I'm halfway through and very curious if the subject of US "intervention" in the southern hemisphere will be laid out.

@HZ-fg9sf 8 дней назад

I just listen to it on 1.25 speed at least. I think he talks like that intentionally because he is being careful with his words. You can see where he doesn't directly answer the question. But the guy has a tough job.

@swansuz 7 дней назад

That would seem to reflect your listening skills rather than his speaking skills. Deliberate, thoughtful and articulate are far superior to rapid fire spin. He does his job in presenting complicated, high profile material responsibly and with authority. I say (based on 40 years teaching university public speaking) "well done."

@oldasrocks9121 6 дней назад

He crafts his language like a very skilled and immensely talented prosecutor. Pull the wool out of your spoiled earholes

@fredschnerbert1238 5 дней назад

@@swansuz *HE speaks SLOW to make the time expire* *He told CONGRESS the BORDER was SECURE* *Do you KNOW what his CBP Operations CHIEF, said,* *UNDER OATH,TO CONGRESS?* *He said by CBP standards IT WAS NOT!*

@tbone8636 8 дней назад

If Mayorkas had anything of value to contribute in regards to securing the border and immigration he would've shared it years ago.