The Real Bor'Dor | Critical Role Campaign 3 Episode 63 

Remember: the safe word is "parmesan"

what's more funny if they put this on a side by side split screen 😂

Someone was sucking the life out of chet at this time lol

cant wait to see that if/when bells hells gets an animated series

While Chet was having the little death, Bor'Dor was having the big death.

To fool your enemy you nedd to fool yourself first -Sun Tzu, probably

I am very certain that Utkarsh has played an rpg before because bloody hell was he good in his appearance.

He's been playing for years.

@@francescogulisano2917 Don't believe everything you hear on the internet - Abe Lincoln, probably

Utkarsh was in Force Grey. Act like you been somewhere.

~I dont like it~

Oh SNAP! I forgot about that!

I still don't understand that. It was like something villains in a horror movie would do but they acted like it was a joke. Very strange.

Yeah they might be the bad guys

Aston is a desensitized experienced criminal punk who probably believes good and evil is social construct and laudna is literally the monster from a horror movie. Most normal dude is orym and he is scared for life with the memory of his husband getting assassinated. Throwing around a dead body is not a big deal.

I think it might be feeding delilah

@@neschat-mobiniphotography7833 Yeah, almost certainly, with that name and Matt bringing back the heart sound on the back of Laudna's head.

So does Talesin's

What an odd way to simultaneously remind me of "we're gods" and "Hilda Hilda" at the same time.

​@@Hypersaiyanike😂 They are kindred spirits in a weird way.

@@wanderingwind6602 I mean emily did say once that keyfish "made sense" and that she might have done something similar in her position... XD

Timestamp? Edit: 17:24

Well, Orym's whole world was basically destroyed thanks to the Ruby Vanguard, his husband, and possibly Keyleth...this is just a small fraction of vengeance.

@@tkurz3071 He just had enough of being peaceful, and understands the weight on the shoulders of bells hells (specifically launda at the moment).

love it when the PCs actually get nasty and complicated. like orym cannot even cross the line of sympathizing w bor'dor because of the attack on zephra, even though logically he knows that was otohan and had nothing to do with some random guy the ruby vanguard recruited. but he signs off on his death anyway. he said ENOUGH of being the well adjusted one im embracing my problems

"WizKids sends their regards"

For me it's the face he made when Laudna did hunger of the shadow

@@marylaprea4945 even ashtons face was like 😳

​@@marylaprea4945there's something more to that spell. That heartbeat sound, that's the same sound he made when Delilah was convincing her to take the gnarlrock from Imogen, and then later when she drained it.

I really love how newish players are just a bit more creative in terms of roleplay just because they are unfamiliar with rules, makes for some interesting choices

I didn't really care for her character during EXU. I just didn't like the vibe for some reason. This time it was much better. Either she is getting better or (more likely) I'm getting used to her style.

@@TheChilorian1234 Exactly. Its a lot of 'I want to do this, what do I need to roll' not 'The rules say if I roll X I can do Y'.

I blame it on Utkarsh not entirely knowing the mechanics, but also he DID try to polymorph but got Counterspelled by Laudna

@@NoreIIo’m saying he could have negated Laudna’s counterspell by using Subtle spell meta magic, a sorcerer feature

@@OptionZero to be fair, even a veteran could forget they could do that when tensions are at their highest. He seemed to already give up on the idea of surviving from the get go. So he was ready to die anyway lol

Subtle spell to avoid counterspell in the middle of other casters, when he’s seen counterspell in the earlier battle? Nah, it’s not that complicated. He didn’t know his class features. It’s pretty evident he’s played DND before and picked up the role playing aspect, but hasn’t sat down to really get the mechanics. As I said, he killed the character work, but we were robbed of an interesting fight, it is what it is.

@@OptionZero They do test games so he'll be loosely familiar but not at the level of the others.

I have zero sympathy as well

What I found interesting about this mini arc is how it varied from the other group. This group was much more affected by what's going on around them and tended towards a darker leaning in their decisions while the other group tried more positive choices such as calming the beast etc... I am really interested to see how a full reunion of bells hells is going to be. There may have been a path to turn Bor'Dor from his path but I think this makes the most sense.

my perspective on this is - 1. he got RANDOMLY slung to this party in the woods, it wasn't in a concious effort to kill them. 2. he was radicalised by a cult after having lost EVERYTHING. 3. he actively chose not to harm the party in battle when they were at their lowest (where it would be the most effective) - in fact he healed them at that moment instead. 4. he didn't aim for Prism, they were all hurt BUT it was Denise that pushed him on his past and recognising that he couldn't continue with the party when it was revealed he kind of acted in self defense by firing off that V. sphere. coaxing out that they were on opposite sides forced his hand where he had genuinely found companionship - remember the most heroic thing he felt he had ever done was fire off a firebolt in the presence of these guys. handling the situation at Pelor temple I don't see as a characer defining trait, trying to incite battle against the gods "at any cost" - I just see it as a player wanting to play the game. kill some bad guys, you know. I don't understand the point where he would be upset at the wildmother? saul goodman... it's not like he thought he had done a bad thing / murdered someone, and he wanted the gods to bail him out. He grew up with the perspective that the Gods looked out for him and his family - but when they were persecuted for being sorcerers/basically. the gods didn't step in to enforce justice - you know, not having people be killed for being born a certain way... I feel like you read all of his story in the most uncharitable way possible. which if the purpose was that the character was a villain, sure that's fine. but when judging a person? that's kind of harsh, don't you think? it reminds me of Paladins who have no flexibility in their morals - and don't we all hate those kinds of characters/people?

​@@veruskrutch4141I don't know if Matt planned the group dynamic this way, but it was so great. Orym has lost his entire family, and now his leader to these people. Laudna lost her life to them. They're the two who have been hurt the worst. Having them both on a team with a member of the Ruby Vanguard was a powder keg. I don't know who if anyone could or would talk them down. Probably just Imogen, if it was at all a possibility.

@@chainclaw07 made a few assumptions about me there I really dislike that weird Paladin comparison especially as I usually really love morally gray characters (I'm even currently playing a con artist celestial warlock on a redemption arc), and my campaign has an order of paladin crusaders as the villains. I also notice that you didn't address what he did to Prism. We are all entitled to different opinions if not the world would be pretty boring.

I have this horrible feeling that Imogen's mother is going to be spared despite the bullshit she's pulled. It's the character type, and resolution, that truly pisses me off.

@@MaxxCoyote I hope Matt subverts that and she gets minced

@@stingerjohnny9951 Ditto. Her and Otohan. Matt rarely gets my goat. But Otohan casually crunching the Bells, and then Keyleth, and then what happened with Vax actually broke my disbelief.

@@MaxxCoyote I truly hope Vax gets saved somehow from the orb cage thing. His story has already broken my heart so many times ... poor guy needs rest. I wonder if Vex and the other members of Vox Machina know? It would kinda break my heart if they didn't, as he's their family.

Its Delilah. She had demonic powers from serving vecna that she could grant others.

@@Jeezes718i think they mean after they GOT RID of Delilah. Ya know, how they went on the mission to get Laudna back and get rid of Delilah. So I think its how she still has warlock powers despite no patron anymore

@firedragonbri547 2 things. First, a warlock doesn't lose their abilities when they stop following their patron in Dnd. They simply can't level up warlock anymore. Laudna has been leveling sorcerer since then. And two, Pike confirmed that laudna is still connected to Delilah, but their connection was simply 'diminished'. So, given that some form of a connection still exists, she likely is still acting as her patron. And will likely continue to do so until the connection is fully severed.

​@@Jeezes718its entirely up to the dm how a patron and players relationship works mechanically. Literally the entire campaign as an arc where the warlock has no powers after ditching his patron

Yeah I get, you really don't want to kill a guest PC, but it made sense to do so, so she did

Truuuue! I was like, there's no way she doesn't know you crit on unconscious people lol

obviously she's a great d&d player and roleplayer, but even vets can forget the basics in high intensity situations. im getting real tired of scrolling through all of these comments of "bor'dor could have had a more interesting fight if utkarsh understood the mechanics a little better" or "emily obviously knows this game inside and out, obviously she's a spy too" stop blaming the players. stop. everyone just stop and enjoy the story, theorycrafting is one thing but calling out players on their game sense in a TTRPG is entirely different. go back and rewatch it, you can see emily's genuine reaction of an "oh shit i forgot that attacking someone unconcious regardless of my strength modifier is 2 failed saves". and even if she was a spy, why would she help bell's hells kill a member of the ruby vanguard? that makes no sense, if anything she'd turncoat and help bor'dor as well.

​@@taylorwalker7417does brennan use those rules? he may, i just cant remember off the top of my head. because emily is used to playing with different DMs than matt

thats what makes it good

" I finally have control " Proceeds to feed the evil beast within

It’s the separation, I assume the general feeling was I don’t want to kill a player, but I can kill him pretty cool. DND it’s a game of emotions and cool moments even if they are dark as hell.

It read to me as more of a nervous, sad smile. Like she was accepting that this was what made sense in the moment for Laudna, as well as still processing all of this new information and waves of emotion. But I understand where you're coming from

people also smile to avoid breaking into tears... there are nuances to things and this isnt even a complicated one... marisha does that all the time when she is emotional... you are projecting, no offense...

no gods

well one it's D&D is an improvised thing so sometimes their is going to be narrative issues and wierd scenario even when the players are skilled at improv two this is the second time they have been betrayed and this time it wasn't by a mystical fey person but by someone who lost everything and genuinely seemed scared and in need three to laudna this is the third time this happened and they are quite sick of it and for orym he just reconciles with the fact that they going to be killing not so evil people

One important thing to consider is that Bor'Dor happens when they are both separated from the people they have grown attached to, right after a very hard hitting event where they quite possibly failed to stop a maniac from doing something potentially really bad. Laudna did not only, as clinton already mentioned, get betrayed yet again, she is also split off from Imogen who she plays very great value in, has been together with for quite some time and who also rescued her twice now. Orym has to deal with the fact that his boss whom he cares about might be dead, that his family got killed because the Ruby Vanguard wanted their divine lense through Vax (I think Liam talked about that in 4SD) and that they have to fight people with genuine grievances who seem like they don't have any other options. And saying "very suss from the start" is not exactly correct simply because everyone perceives things differently. Bor'Dor might have been immediately strange to you and others but other people might feel and think differently. I thought at the beginning that he just was a random dude suddenly empowered because the gods were getting desperate. Then as things went on he seemed to be rather extreme or direct which didn't quite line up, but that stuff is always subjective. And after all that happened they might also, if subconsciously, want to be able to trust them and not see everything and everyone as suspicious (also, realistically, the chances of finding a stranded member of the ruby vanguard was very low. Not impossible as we have seen but very low). In times of distress it is not too unrealistic to want to trust someone so you can feel safe.

^ this. The character poses an obstacle to being reunited with their loved ones after all they’ve been through. There are also times where we have let people go and they come back bigger and badder later. Plus he didn’t have to attack them.

It's a bit like the cave on Dagobah. It affected them so much because he was sort of a reflection of them, of what loss can do to someone.

Well if you think about it, if Laudna had immediately killed him after his lightning bolt the party might not have had so much pain. That would play a part too I'd think for Laudna.

No I just have catching up to do and those will be out soon :) it is 💯 time I build a new computer as the amount of blue screen I’m getting is angering

The College of Tragedy bard is just Liam.

Nothing to do do with them? If nobody watched none of this would be possible.

​@@Dunybrookbut also matt has said that he doesnt make narrative choices for any fans, he makes them for his players

pointing out the obvious in a negative fashion is a sign of low self esteem

@@N_3_Z you memorize quotes to feel better about yourself because you know you're stupid but you wanna make everyone else think you're smart. What were you saying about low self esteem?

Dude wtf is this take? Making it about herself? She was just betrayed for the third time. It was her turn in combat, how does that make it about herself?

brain dead take

​@@bennieboi20typical misogynist marisha hater

the hills people like you want to die on are usually on the bottom of an outhouse...

L take... it's 2023 you're still hating on Marisha ?