The Real Origins and Different Sub Species of Targaryen Dragons 

but caraxes only has an elongated neck and extra wings because of a birth defect, no other dragons look like him

@@shoppincarties yes but there are 3 types of dragons mainly based on their skulls, the wolf like, the dinosaur like and the in between type. even George went over this and there are multiple reasons for why the dragons look so different.

@@shoppincarties Exactly.

@@mrdodo3132 Yes but it still debunks Stormers theory as Caraxes is unique.

Problem with Caraxes is that his deformed according to an interview. Which explains why he is the way he is. I'm guessing any other Dragons we see with the wolf/dog skulls will look different. Heck we're seen what Vhagar and Meleys look like and they look completely different from all the other Dragons

All of them look alike Just the colour and sizes are different

@@harshaldeshpande8869 Lol what? 🤔🤔🤔

We don't actually know that for sure it's just a theory.

@@harshaldeshpande8869 uh no daemon dragon is different

@@sinceredtb3227 drogon viserion and rhaegal are daenery's dragons

Good looking out, but I think he cleared that up. Balerion and 4 other dragons were brought to Dragonstone from Old Valyria. Meraxes and Vhagar hatched on Dragonstone, then Aegon and his sister's brought those 3, Balerion, Meraxes and Vhagar to mainland Westeros.

Fact. Balerion was already very big and at his prime when he bonded with Aegon. He arrived with Aenar Targaryen when they exited Valyria because of his daughter's prophecy of an impending doom.

Must have missed it. Don’t remember seeing Sunfyre.

Wrong stop talking shit

I feel like people are reading too much into that statement. It sounded to me like they were just saying they were going for a more odd or disturbing look, contrasting it with Syrax who was more falcon-like.

Caraxes is a blood worm which explains the appearance.

@@vCLOWNSHOESv Blood *wyrm, which is usually just another name for a dragon. But it may also be the inspiration for him being serpentine.

you forgot slender Dreamfrye who I hope has Drogons look but blue.

And Meraxes?

@@Alejojojo6 Hard to say for sure, from the descriptions of her, she was most likely the bulky breed as she was said to be big enough to eat a horse in one go. Possibly abnormally large agile breed, since HBO's own artwork shows her to have similar features to Caraxes (really long neck, similar to the Fellbeast in LoTR)

@@hilltop9524 Caraxes only has a long neck due to a deformation as a hatchling

Geez, the books say in plain text that Caraxes don't form correctly in the egg, and you come up with a million types and archetypes on a case-by-case basis.

And?

@@mikerzisu9508 pretty sure that was meant as humor. Calm down : )

Thank you for catching on. Some folks are quite dense.

Mad Queen

@@menumlor9365 like yourself?

Maybe they are in west of the Westeros. I remember Arya going to discover there in the last episode of GOT. (I'm talking according to the series)

@@rosesandsunflowers4905 I am sure they are but still.

@@rosesandsunflowers4905 west of Westeros is just Far East essos, that’s it

They clearly do in HOTD

Who’s going to ride them though?

@SkaffaS drogon is my favorite too.. I m agree with you🐉🖤🔥❤

Really interesting !!

yes! i said this on another vid where the same two people were arguing over and over in the comments about how there was nothing else in the world of ASOIAF that could harm a Targaryen dragon, especially Balerion.....even though something obviously did bc of his condition upon returning with princess Aerea. Septon Barth's book, Dragons, Wyrms, and WyrvernsL Their Unnatural History (which King Baelor I condemned and ordered every copy destroyed, except for a few incomplete surviving fragments) speculated on how it was possible the Valyrian bloodmages may have created dragons from wyvern (and firewyrm=some of the missing bits) stock/DNA. if Barth were indeed correct, then yeah a firewym or wyvern might F a dragon up, although for Balerion it may have taken a whole gang of them. firewyrms were said to live in the 14 Flames long before dragons appeared, that they hatred men, and could breathe fire. wyverns look similar to dragons in ASOIAF but are said to be more ferocious, they have wings and claws, but also sharp weird beaks, could not breathe fire, and were found just a bit south of Valyria on Sothoryos. i think thats probably what happened. maybe, lol love me some GRRM

@@chelseasherrell6277 absolutely! I think wyvern or fire wyrms probably put up a fight and got some good licks in on Balerion but I think Balerion came out on top and came back and said “ yeah but you should see the other guy” lol

@@sean5558 🤣 yeah I can see that

wouldn't you expect to see accounts of the valyrians taming/using wyverns and fire wyrms then? It would be pretty weird if they managed to go straight from encountering two completely different species, in completely different places to merging the two together without some period of coming to understand both. Especially seeing as we're told that the Valyrians went from sheep farmers to dragons, wouldn't you expect there to be a period of the Valyrians using wyrms and/or wyverns? Utilising either one of those would surely earn them a place in the history books as something other than sheep farmers.

i agree caraxes head shape is a bit similar to vermax and arrax and likely the same breed and he probably would have more of a similar body to them too had he not been born with the valyrian blood curse/deformity

Vermax is actually related to Vermithor's breed.

Whaat

Holy shit!!

@@King_Blackheart that’s what I said!

or vermithor and silverwing considering jaehaerys had vermithor and his wife had silver wing

3 eggs were stolen and the woman who stole them got ship wrecked near ashai. Dannys eggs came from ashai. So it makes sense now.

Okay, whatever you say mister phd

@@mikerzisu9508 lol

Thank finally someone who knows thier shit and isn’t an ass about it

@Marbas That's because of ignorance from people though. Some languages use the same term for tigers and lions because the people don't care to know the difference. But there are clear distinctions just like with Wyvern vs Dragons.

@@klaythompson663 Except that the distinction is a modern addition. So it is not the same situation as lions and tigers at all. D&D popularised the idea that Wyverns are a seperate spiecies and that's fine if the setting does draw a distinction such as D&D and indeed ASOIAF. But that rule is not universal by any means. Historically a Dragon is literaly any giant serpentine creature, and in modern deffinitions any giant mythical reptile. You're right that it is a topic that many people are ignorant of, but not for the reasons you describe. And again, the only Real world distinction comes from English, Scottish, and Irish heraldry yet other European countries did not separate the two. So one cannot even say that European or western dragons are one specific form. Only when your specific Fantasy setting specifies there is a difference and then only in that world.

We just see his skull, but let's hope they do a at least series about aegons conquest

Maybe in a flashback

I predict that this will happen, however I bet they will save it for another spinoff /prequel

And the showrunners know it. Everyone want the big moody lizard, so I'd be surprised if we dont get some flashback or dream with it. King Viserys was (shortly) its rider too, so its doable.

@@jackgould5332 Nothing against that idea, but maybe its too much of dragons and targaryen already. Ther are more places and eras to be explored. ( The first long night, with giants and chidren of the forest would be nice. Back to the ice)

The rules are different in each fantasy setting. A lot of people base their settings off D&D so the wyvern/dragon thing comes up when it really shouldn't. However, if we look to the real world "Dragon" is symply the elglish word for any giant serpintine creature. 2 legs, 4 legs, no legs, 2 wings, 4 wings, no wings All have been hystorically called Dragons, or an ancient form of the word. Aditional: the only historical distinction between Dragons and Wyverns (pronounced why-vern btw, not wi-vern) comes from historically modern heraldry, and even there they are refered to as 2 winged Dragons.

@Your_local_fangirl That's a good point, they are refered to as "kin to dragons" though so I wonder how much the distinction is cultural rather than strictly biological taxonomy.

The first line of your comment is right on the money. But as absolute lifeless spod that's way to into mythologies and history I can clarify a bit more in a real world sense. 'Wyvern (pronounced Why-vern) is actually a term for a biomechanical frame type of certain animals, like humans are bipedal and dogs are quadrapeds. Bats are technically wyverns, using their fore legs / arms to walk as well as fly. All pterasaurs are wyverns for the same reason. However there is a greek / roman mythological creature called: 'Wyvern' too (pronounce wiv-ern and not Why-vern) that gets people confused. Wyverns (wiv-erns) are about human height with a dragon like body that stand up right like chicken or seagull with wings cross behind their backs or tuck in at the sides like modern bird and have snake like necks and heads. They don't breath fire instead they spit acid or tar. So same spelling but different pronouncation and meaning. One is nasty walking winged-snake like acidic tar snot squirter from greek mythos and the other is referrence to a body type of a animal (in most cases, a type of dragon or to describe how flying dinosaurs may have lived on the ground).

Stop your bullshit no truth behind comments you are wrong and always will be.

and long lashes too like the dragon in Shrek

@@valarmorghulis5575 lol

aint no way ur tryna make a dragon be feminine or masculine

Dragons were never real so they can't ever be realistic....

@@yourallc-unts Ik, but looking at Drogon's design and his behavior, if you wanted to make a dragon that almost looks real, Drogon is a great example.

@@sphereunitedheroes7936 well no 8t ain't as they aren't real so they never looked like anything

@@sphereunitedheroes7936 Drogon was pretty generic tbh compared to what we're getting in HotD.

it is said that they have specific breeds. not sure if the show universe really designs the dragons after that particular thing from the books or if they just design them how they feel. but since almost all other dragons died like 200 years before house of the dragon then the targaryens would probably just breed together any dragon that is left so the breeds are all just mixed now and the dragons look however

sure, will do

Yes i second this

Yes, but this is more like saying it’s a “cat “, sure but there are different breeds and species of cats. Just like there are different types of dragons !

You should have known 33 seconds into the video that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He said that Balerion, Meraxes, and Vhagar came with the Targaryens from Valeria but only Balerion did from the 3, Meraxes & Vhagar were hatched at Dragonstone.

In the game of thrones world there literally is two differences two wyverns and dragons,dragons breath fire and wyverns have beaks,so to try and say the game of thrones dragons are wyverns is pointless because your wrong,it’s a different world with different rules,plus I think wyverns are extinct in the books

The showrunners needs to fact check themselves or go back to learning about breeds/sub species because there are clearly more than 3 breeds, or at the very least hybrids and mixes. Also there's no way Vhagar hatched so many different breeds alone.

does it say that in the book? have the showrunners said that?

This is in fact an interesting bit of history of the English language. Until the Norman conquest of England, "hound" was the only word for dogs. Like in German were it is "Hund". Dog is an old loanword from medieval Norman French. Because of the Norman aristocracy in England "dog" spread into the common speech and "hound" was only remembered in the countryside, where hunting dogs were used.

breeds probably are not much of a thing anymore since the first targaryens in westeros had so few left and just likely bred together any they could to get eggs and keep the species alive. the dragons living during the dance are probably mixed between breeds, but we can maybe try and look who is related closest by head shapes. in old valyria they probably kept breeds more apart to have the specific traits kept for each type. but in the current show i think the dragons are just not pure bred breeds anymore

well if dany's 3 dragon eggs were from same litter then makes sense why they are exactly same other than color

They really do but what do you expect most people on RU-vid/social media are thick as shit especially the Americans

But we don't know español

@@mindq4328 what a shame 😿

Yeah? You work for HBO? Otherwise be quiet

it was meraxes

Also qyburn said the scorpion schematics was from dorne he just built it. Do you even know the show/books

Vhagar's appearance is quite realistic but I miss the fins because those made them look more airborne

The rules are different in each fantasy setting. A lot of people base their settings off D&D so the wyvern/dragon thing comes up when it really shouldn't. However, if we look to the real world "Dragon" is symply the elglish word for any giant serpintine creature. 2 legs, 4 legs, no legs, 2 wings, 4 wings, no wings All have been hystorically called Dragons, or an ancient form of the word. Aditional: the only historical distinction between Dragons and Wyverns (pronounced why-vern btw, not wi-vern) comes from historically modern heraldry, and even there they are refered to as 2 winged Dragons.

@@Mr.Agateophile. more like drakes then?

Neither existed so they are not like either..

Pick up a dictionary before typing such nonsense

Lol

Dragons don't have four legs, if it had 4 legs it would be to heavy to fly

Evolutionary a dragon with four legs and wings doesn’t make sense or work, that’s why they went with the wyvern direction because it does make sense from an evolution standpoint

@@joshuawebber388 dragons are already very heavy to ever fly

they are as they breathe fire and wyverns don't. if the author says they are dragons then they are dragons.

They ar wvryns

So you didn’t pay attention to the show then? If you did you would know the reason why her dragons were bigger

Give it a chance ffs

​@@rayyan6401 I have already given two chances how many do they get? ffs

Thats your opinion. Overall rating say otherwise.

nah, its fking great

The show is pretty good. Not as good as GoT peak but certainly really good nonetheless.