i’m glad to see someone make a video like this. It’s almost unfathomable to me how terribly kep1er are being handled, from their lack of promotions, to lackluster music and performances, it’s all a trainwreck. There’s no harmony with the group and as you said at this rate they’re gonna end up absolutely no where in two years time. I can’t even properly articulate how dissatisfied and disappointed I am with the outcome of kep1er
@@mistrae7 I could be wrong on this, but I think they handled "Wing Wing" that way because it was a Japanese track. I think it is different from how they promote the Korean comebacks, so that might explain it
imo their song 'mvsk' was so perfect in every way. it's dark, alluring, hypnotic and a totally new way to express a "space" concept without sounding like the usual generic sparkle sounds. it bothers me to no end that wakeone is directionless when they have incredible talent on the line here!! for their next comeback, i'm PRAYING for something sleek, elegant and mature; in this way, i genuinely think that all the members can showcase their strengths to the level that they deserve.
That exact same concept has been izone's concept. It would be unoriginal for kepler to follow izone's image. They're better off with the quirky space concept
i feel so bad for yujin, clc have been handled terribly then were disbanded, and now the moment she thought she'll finally get the debut and the successful career that she deserves wakeone spits on her and ruins everything
i kinda disagree about yeseo tho. i think giving her acting gig during the promotion of the group wont help her or the group because of conflicting schedules. they only have 2.5 years and kdrama filming takes months. i want her to act too but she already has prior experience, so her acting future wont really be a problem. also, as an example, izone didnt have acting gigs for hyewon and minju.
Things I noticed: 1. They don't have much song & dance covers. (Almost all 2022 rookies have more than 1 each category) Dance is their edge and it isn't showcased. Company usually take advantage of the group's edge. Their songs didn't chart well in Korea. They need to keep up with the hype as alot of 2022 GG rookies getting recognized and gaining good popularity. Covering songs and dance will help. Just like what Nmixx is doing 2. Same outfits. In award show where everyone was wearing formal outfits in red carpet, they wore performance outfits. 3. Line distribution. -Their best rapper, I believe pretty confirmed to be the main in variety shows, always get ask to rap, doesn't get the most rap. Like in Japan debut she had 3 seconds rap, her rap tone suits the song. -#9 in total line distribution is vocally better than 3-4 members who are above her and has around same vocal tier with 3 members on top, except their main vocalist (C-) -4 members constantly on bottom while one member hasn't become atleast #6. She surpassed the main vocalist in vocal lines in some songs even tho she can't support. She takes the most rap and most vocal lines at the same time in some songs even tho their main vocalist is there and there are members who are at the same tier with her. 4. No solid center. -Has different centers in songs -One member getting more screen time and center parts in songs and more vocal lines in some songs than default center. She is center in most of shoots. Wakeone has no good budget. And there is favouritism. If there are in different company they will be more recognized in Korea.
@@itsiraa probably Dayeon is the one surpassing the main vocal (who is Chaehyun). + their favoritism with Dayeon since gp999 is showing too much to the point i even saw some non-fans of kep1er thinking Dayeon was the center...
I think it would be great if chaehyun was the fixed center (since shes no.1 and shes korean) and if xiaoting was the subcenter. Kinda like wonyoung and minju
@@k-potato3593 I think it would be cool if they had a center for each song, not considering only the titles but also the b-sides since they are a temporary group. Like, Chaehyun was 1st in gp999 only bcz of the voting system which favored the Korean votes (she would be like 7th place if it weren't for that) and the other girls were first in many countries while she was only first in Korea... It'd be more fair with the fans if each of them get their moment to shine instead of giving this privilege to only one or two of them.
@@luziaziazia1527 Different center for each song would be fine but center as general is not. No hate but in general it seems like it's Dayeon already. Just look at the shoots, line distribution, center parts, screen time, position in guestings etc. If Chaehyun is not an MC, people would think she is the center. Even my non kep1ian friends thought she is.
One of the big problems with WakeOne they only have eyes for Dayeon. I don’t they are underusing Dayeon is the other way around you see Dayeon in every single thing the ones who actually need more exposure are Mashiro and Yujin they are good vocalists and dancers. Bahiyih has already got some exposure at the cost of Yeseo so they basically don’t touch the time of Dayeon but they take time of the other members. Sometimes I feel they want to create this image where Dayeon is the center. So basically Kep1er’s problem is on management some moves feel random.
I agree to some extent that Dayeon should get lesser lines but she is literally Kep1er’s 3rd best vocalist after Chaehyun and Youngeun. Yes she sings better than Yujin and Mashiro. So I think problem here is that WakeOne want Dayeon to do everything but they really need to choose whether she’s a vocalist or rapper and stick with that.
be fr, she’s the 3rd best vocalist, the most stable members live and a main rapper also, her lines are deserved, youngeun and chaehyun have more lines than her, xiaoting is treated like center over chaehyun y’all just love to hate and blame dayeon
They actually given Xioating spotlight. She got to be the center, center in dance break, she is #7 in total line distribution. Even tho #9 is better than her vocally.
@@nin6537 Xiaoting has never not been given spotlight since their debut imo. What the OP must've wanted to say is probably about solo career opportunity that she can benefit from while promoting as a Kep1er's member. However I also think that it is not going to give a great outcome for the group still as while Kep1er is successful, they're not successful enough to have its foreign member to be pushed like that. Xiaoting cannot do acting and hosting as she's not fluent in Korean (plus I doubt a foreign idol member will even get such chance). Modelling is nice though. They should go for it with her.
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 Center parts, dance break, center in photoshoots, she was able to dance solo in kep1er's guestings, she would have performed as Kep1er's representative in collaboration stage in MAMA if their debut wasn't postponed due to covid. And Wakeone allowed her to perform ballroom in Isac those are opportunity for spotlight. If OP meant spotlight as solo activities like MC, brand ambassador etc all of them are not given spotlight yet except Chaehyun. In terms of vocal and dance parts, Vocally she is F. But she surpassed someone F+. She is a great ballroom dancer but Kep1er's choreo doesn't cater to her techniques in dance compare to others but she was still given a chance to be the center in dance breaks. She has charisma and talent that's why it's feels like it is always never enough. She would have better opportunity if she's in other group. But supressing is not really happening. Tho cover songs and dance covers for all members would be better. She is part of my bias line (foreigners+Hiyyih) and I think they aren't given much attention from wakeone. Hikaru-rap, hiyyih-lines, Xioating-deprived of concept which would suit her more. I hope Kep1er's popularity boosts so solo activities would be possible for them.
@@nin6537 she is rarely center in photoshoots, she is always at the side, look it up and line distribution will never be according to vocal ranking, look at twice or blackpink. not all of xiaoting lines are vocals too, but rap parts
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 you definitely not there in mask she is the centre and in there beside she get good amount of line like in rewind, Le voyage and Attention dude ok she actually get good exposure
With the concept confusion, I think I have a theory. Maybe wakeone is struggling because this is the first mnet survival show group that wasn't rigged. Think about it. What if mnet used to rig their shows in order to ensure that the contestants they want will fit THE CONCEPT THEY ALREADY PLANNED. That's why when those groups debuted, their identity was CLEAR & precise & ALL members "NATURALLY" suited it as well. So all the management company had to do was simply follow that planned concept & it was a success. They rigged it time & time again because this "secret formula" worked... Until they got exposed. After the rigging scandal, they couldn't do that anymore since the final line up for kep1er can ONLY be decided by popularity voting & not 100% on what they want. So for the first time, they are forced to deal with a lineup that wasn't 100% what they planned. Which brings the confusion into the equation. The final lineup consists of members that suit different concepts. So how do they build a concept surrounding a heterogeneous group ? That's where all the experimenting comes in. They are still trying to figure out what will work for this group.
I think it's not just the concept but more the rigged in members (in the past) had companies that provided money and industry connection (such a arranging big brand deals, getting them on good promotion shows and magazine covers). Like compared to other survival grps the grp has had little to know big budget promotions (they're out here repping starter magazines and small brands and ofc there is nothing wrong with repping small brands but as a two year old group on the clock doing this won't expose them to no new audience and is a waste for them...). Also let's be honest I think they're just doing quick cash grabs and trying to to promote the members that in the long run after the grp disbands will benefit them (coz of the umbrella companies wakeone is under). Like let's be honest the most popular members Hiyyih and Xiaoting if given proper promotions and solo activities would 100% work in reaching new audiences, like let's be honest hiyyih is the fotg and ppl do know her and Xiaoting is so pretty she draws in new fans but it fells like coz Hiyyih (maybe coz she's gonna be in a company that won't benefit w1 in the future after disbandment) and Xiaoting (coz let's be real she's gonna go back to being a celebrity in China and having no connection to w1 after disbandment), w1 refuses to use them properly. Just doing the bare minimum to make quick money and just don't care...
makes a lot of sense because i think everyone was expecting a literal cosmic/elegant concept from them especially after the whole show was galaxy themed. they still should've went through with that even if the lineup wasn't the one they wished.
I believe this is the problem too. But, from a perspective of an amatuer, I also believe that the final line-up could have been a lot more interesting and dynamics.
It's obvious that they don't have a plan with the group. I recon that they would just milk them until it's time for disbandment. They had all the opportunity to capitalize on their members. They have trended for multiple reasons. Yujin for example, already gained a lot of following during the show. Xiaoting's ballroom dance at ISAC. She is obviously a star. Hikaru's strong stage presence too.
Yes I agree with you I have seen so far Xiaoting, Hikaru, Yujin trend, and Dayeon. I have also seen Chaehyun get recognized because her voice. I started to see know people finally recognize Youngeun and Yeseo’s dancing skills in Queendom. Also, Youngeun, Mashiro, Bahiyyih vocals. But honestly, all of the members deserve so much better.
the problem is NOT the lineup, it's the promotions and management. I don't understand ppl saying "they don't have chemistry""they don't fit the vibe of the group" like wdym? remember this is a group of 9 humans. (I know it sounds weird but let me explain) ofc the members have their differences, every kpop group literally does, but other companies try to make sure their images as a group are similar - styling, training, musicality etc... it can make a huge difference. Just like op said.. firstly they don't have a sound, their 3 albums are completely contrasting.. their lore is also underdeveloped so it's not going to help their popularity. They also don't promote the members well, they could post more covers to showcase their talents, their yt vlogs and content are poorly edited. And for the members, yeah the styling sucks too, it doesn't highlight the members well, and sometimes they arent cohesive as a group(especially up! promos, half of the time yujin is dressed up for an elegant concept nd hikaru for girl crush) Wakeone sucks at managing. They're a new company to the industry, and they are only running bc they are backed up by cjenm financially And honestly, kep1er is only popular bc they were from a survival show (and bahiyyih being txt's brother) it's the only 2 things the general public knows about them. They would've been nugu instead (AND FYI, yes my girls they are extremelyyyy talented and have amazing personalities, but talent and character isn't equal to popularity, it's just how it works)
Except probably with the songs part, I do agree with everything you said. (1) The songs are good and the albums are good but it feels like it's not giving them the identity they needed to set them apart from the other 4th gen groups right now. I feel like if Up, a summer song that explores a different "planet", wasnt the cb song and still the kinda same as Wadada, they would have some identity atleast. (2) The fact that there is no clear-cut assigned and announced positions to ALL members except maybe Chaehyun (coz she's the P1 therefore the default center) and the leaders, it feels like you cant sense the roles, and even if you do, it does feel short or not enough (especially for Hikaru's rapping and Xiaoting who can also hit high notes and sing and rap, but is probably holding herself back since she's still learning Korean). (3) They still keep applying what they did with Produce: this "lore" that doesnt really act as a lore but more like an overarching concept, which I kinda understand since this has been a thing and they only have 2.5 years in the contract, and therefore this "lore" is necessary for the attachment with the fans. But if you compare them to other 4th gen like STAYC or IVE which focuses on producing good music instead without having any overarching lore, you can tell it is no longer necessary (4) THE CONTENTS. Yes they're all very low quality and there has been clamor in twitter about this comparing Kep1 and TO1. which is sad. Even before that, Im slowly not enjoying the Kepchup episodes because of how poorly produced they are.
actually, some parts were officially announced in Queendom 2 Chaehyun and Youngeun are main vocalists, and Hikaru, Dayeon, and Xiaoting are main dancers Also, it was also mentioned officially that Hikaru is main rapper Kep1ians have speculated Youngeun and Yeso must be lead dancers, and Dayeon is lead vocalist and main/lead rapper Yujin can also be a lead vocalist
@@youngeunharmony You see that's the problem. We have to rely on other shows and our speculations based on what they have done during GP999 and Queendom. There's no official announcement on any social media or their website beyond Chaehyun and the leaders. Heck, they even have a special segment for the leaders delegation. If we dont have GP999 or Queendom, they will only know Chaehyun as the main vocal
I feel bad for Yeseo for being so hidden in this group. I feel bad for Hikaru for not having longer rap lines compared to Dayeon when obv Hikaru is the better rapper. XiaoTing deserves better too, she the visual and she’s really talented.
Youngeun has been my Kep1er bias since I watched her kick it performance even before I saw the first episode and I’ve watched the show 3 times. She gets lines but for some reason, she feels invisible with he other members and so does Mashiro. It’s really strange
It's because the company just doesn't want to give youngeun spotlight. She shined so much back in gp999 and people would always praise her for her talents and she was even the fourth most popular member when they first debuted but W1 just decided to waste her talent with lack of screentime and other things such a rap, youngeun suits girl crush and badass type concepts like in kick it which she shined so much, the concept of kep1er just ain't it for her
SAME i don't think this video talks about how underapreciated this girl is there is so much potential there i don't even know how to explain other than she has that IT factor 100% that chungha also had during her produce days so i just really hope she goes solo because girl has enough talent to feed a whole country
Omg, someone finally understood me , In the beginning of this year I was forcing myself to believe that kep1er was my ultimate group but I actually didn't feel nothing to the girls I was just emotional about the journey :(
My thoughts: 1. Kep1er's sound is found in mvsk and girls. No one knows because they do their best to hide it. 2. All the girls have their own separate identity and concept instead of a group identity. I get it since they are temporary but that won't help if they don't get popular. 3. When I saw kep1er at Kcon they wore the same outfits everywhere and everyday. I KNOW that outfit was musty. 4. The Fandom skews kinda young and that pushes people out. I used to love Kep1er sooo much. Me, my mom and sister went to KCON for them. They are like little sisters so seeing this hurts me a bit. I didn't listen to we fresh more than once.
I feel like they should’ve kept the dark space concept, like the dazed magazine shoot was such a perfect concept and they could’ve been edgy gritty. It would’ve been refreshing for the space concept and a new version of girl crush!
i relate to this so much :/ i was so excited to be stanning yujin in another group as a longtime cheshire but i dont feel any connection to the other members, im just here bc my fav got a 2nd chance
I'M SCREAMING You've said almost everything I wanna say. WAKEONE NEED TO Wake up and do their job! I'm a Keplian but i have to talk about this - If they dont have better song quality ( a song that suit them, and not low budget song) in new cb , they will be 80% done. - As you said, give some content. Give covers. WE NEED Hikaru, Xiaoting , Dayeon , Yeongeun Dance cover. ( Also Yeseo and Yujin ) YeongChae and Mashiro Cover Songs. Hihhyh 's English cover songs!! We need! Variety Shows, OST And Not fair line distribution, screen time or no certain position - Their positions are just messed up. Hikaru have to be the main rapper , look at her flow. Yeseo, Yujin & Mashiro need the line that suit them. As you said, Xiaoting has to get brand deals. Chaehyun has to get her certain centre part. I even forget that she's a centre. ( Not because of she didn't pull out this position, just wakeone making sh** like giving the outfit that doesn't suit her or not giving certain centre parts ) AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST FIND A GOOD STYLIST - They always give simple hair style, the outfit that not suit to certain members. Even on the award shows , I cant even look at those outfits. Jesus
As a Kep1er fan I do agree (and disagree) with a lot of their points. But ultimately it isnt the members or chemistry that isnt getting them what they deserve. They had a LOT of hype before debut, and WDD didn't do so bad either. But it comes down to the HORRIBLE management. They didn't take hate towards members seriously, especially Bahiyyih getting so much hate even until now. I'm sure that other companies would be bragging about her popularity, no matter what is said about how she ''earned'' it. But W1 ignores all of that and pushes through, her mistreatment is even well known in the kpop community. Not only does that push people from stanning an already temporary group, it is bad for them business wise especially as she is the most popular globally, and influx of her fans would financially help the group. I don't think they are doing horribly. Yes people say they arent doing as well as IZONE but as a WIZONE myself, that group was already on rocky roads since rigging scandal and growth was stagnant. Thankfully they had one of the most UNITED fandoms ever to support them, and even better an iconic song with budget (Fiesta). Ultimately, W1 needs to be willing to unite the fans, give them what they want. That means better treatment for the popular members ESP Bahiyyih and Xiaoting, it feels like they went viral more times in GP999 era than now. Let them have breaks so they can come back better than before, and with a hit song that will be memorable. Wa Da Da had huge impact for their identity but honestly I dont know what the company were thinking with Up. I know what you said about their concept but I think sticking for teencrush will be good for them rn (IVE = high royal, Lesserafim = sleek and elegant, New Jeans = retro). Basically an updated version of WDD that will help them gain Korean fans, something like Very Very Very IOI, Pristin, Momoland type vibes. They dont have to be no1 in charts, the budget just needs to be there and using their potential to the best. Maybe switching to a whole new concept like elegant IZONE/WJSN style wouldnt be bad. Its never too late for them to rise to what they deserve.
@A I sort of agree with you after seeing their La Vie En Rose cover and how they pulled it off. But still a lot of the members suit a sporty and lively vibe, (Hikaru, Dayeon, Yeseo, Youngeun). I wouldn't mind elegant though I love it
WakeOne has 9, INCREDIBLY talented and diverse girls and they are doing shit for them. They’re dance line is very strong, whether or not they have the next “4th gen main vocalist or rapper” they have strong vocalist. All 9 of these girls competed to be an idol, this is what they want to get a chance to do and WakeOne isn’t supporting that. I think Kep1er has the potential to not be locked down to one concept and still have a unique sound but WakeOne isn’t doing anything about it. As for the fans- I know peoples favs are getting mistreated by WakeOne and they don’t like it, but the answer isn’t asking for early disbandment it’s asking for WakeOne to do better. Honestly these solo Stan’s are giving up on Kep1er JUST like WakeOne is
10000000% agree with everything you said 😭Just because a group is temporary doesnt mean the company shouldnt try. Izone did it so well! Izone's concept was floral-elegance, synchronization and moving as one. Nothing about each Kep1er title track is consistent. It all sounds like basic kpop songs from 2016.
Let's not be delusional my dear. She is a visual but no one would support her into being an it girl if she isn't Korean. She doesn't have any Influence in her generation like wonyoung, she's Chinese, her group's popularity is on the mid side, her name isn't strong outside of the group etc. But it's ok, cos you say she isn't getting any exposure but she's is treated like the center of this group more than the original center, chaehyun, she has more exposure than some other mistreated members in this group
@@doll6816 Actually Koreans do like her. They even gave her a title called “Dancesport Queen”. Koreans will never give foreigners a title, but Xiaoting was an exception.
I love Kep1er and I've been with them since the beginning, but they were supposed to have a space concept. The only time the concept was shown was Queendom. I really wanna see that concept but looks like they're just that group that does anything and everything...
great video dude,, and i honestly relate to this a lot (sadly)... i watched gp999 live every week, i voted, i was very invested. i liked the final lineup and also ended up falling in love with them even more, ready to make them one of my ults. but then wadada dropped yk, not great, still had hope tho (even bought a signed copy of the album like i was still very much into them) but i guess i just slowly lost interest in them as time went by because now im scared to say that i almost dont care about them anymore.... this video explains it very well imo for their japanese debut i didnt even bother to listen to the bside anymore, tt got boring quick too.. yeah.... its sad ill keep a tiny bit of hope for their next comeback,, maybe it does get better
When they announced boys planet, I was hopeless. Not because of the girls, they are talented, all amazing and with a magnificent idol aura, but I was hopeless because of wakeone, because they have been (and are, and will be) using the girls as money makers for boys planet. They created a whole system in girls planet revolved around the "girls from different nations" idea to make a temporary group while they were planning a program about "boys from everywhere around the globe" without a company to most likely make a non-temporary group. It infuriates me. All the points in the video made sense, even if I disagreed with some of them, like the music and the concept (since I feel like they're like Red Velvet, changing their concept every once in a while, and also how a lot of people got invested in GP999 because of the planet lore). Anyways, guys please don't throw hate or out-of-place comments to the girls, they are not the ones to blame in this. ♡♡♡♡ Ps. Wakeone please stop overworking the girls and treat them properly, like the human beings they are, not like robots.
Wing wing (Japanese comeback single) is better than up and Wadada in Line distribution.. The song sounds the same as up tho. And I dunno why these songs are always hitting high notes. Some Kepler members sound better in undertones.. For ex) Mashiro can hit high notes, but her undertone sounds much better. Kepler should make more songs like MVSK that showcases their undertones.. +)I miss Soojin from Idle.. she had amazing undertone..
after hearing the xiaoting part, i just couldn't keep myself from saying that she's just like clc's eunbin. they both have the same looks, same aura, same (kinda) way of singing. both tÄLL- anyways jokes aside they are getting treated almost the same, except xiaoting is more of a center.
You are right! Kep1er has no identity. However, when I heard “The Girls”, my brain was like “This is it. This is Kep1er. This is Kep1er’s sound. Kep1er’s identity.” So, I don’t understand why WakeOne won’t keep going with that. Yes, Kep1er is versatile which they can do with their b-sides but, Kep1er is Girl Crush. That should be their title tracks. You get what I mean? I don’t know how to explain it. They only have 2 years and a half together, it’s time to stop “experimenting”…
Kep1er is one of my ults, I love them so much and it hurts to see how mistreated they are when they could've been stars. They deserved so much more attention and fame and it's so sad to see they will disband in a month when they didn't even get popular
I RELATE TO THIS 100%. I followed GP999 from Ep 1-Final. I cried when Bahiyyih got 2nd Rank for the Final Top 9. Both my top picks (Xiaoting and Hiyyih) made it to the final Top 9. But after Wadada released, my excitement died down after like three months after their debut. The reasons for it are similar with yours! As for Bahiyyih, the amount of hates this girl got is crazy, she doesn't deserve it one bit! No matter how many mass reports Hiyyihlights have sent to Wake One, the agency did not do a thing. I remember Xiaoting to be so phenomenal in GP999 especially for her Snake performance. But after debuting, I do agree that the agency doesn't do much to show her potential. The songs too..They're pretty mediocre, imo. :") Same with you, I wish they'll find their 'sound'. The 'sound' that screams Kep1er! Until then, I would just be a casual listener and avoided the craziness on Twitter cause I just can't handle it :"))
i am honestly so surprised you don't have more subscribers ! your videos are the only few i find genuinely interesting in the kpop community, from the editing to the commentary which is always so well constructed
Yes I feel that people don’t appreciate Mashiro enough.She is amazing, she is co-leader of Kep1er. I like her vocals, her stage presence, and her dancing skills. I feel that Mashiro really shine in more darker type of concepts like their b-side MSVK, And Girls.
Ikr 😭😭😭 solo stands are serious annoying sometimes🤯 seriously temporary grp this is the first every fking grp that I see the fans are so not united and wanting them to disband thinking that they would be great to be a solo artist but like bro! They seriously don’t have a base 🤬🤬🤬 wakeone seriously! Treat them better
I like Mashiro too You should check out Everglow-up RU-vid short, she mentioned she liked Mashiro stage presence. And I have seen other people praised her vocals especially when she has a low tone like Kep1er covered Bring the Boys out. I was happy she got more lines in Kep1er Japanese debut song Wing Wing but she deserves so much better. All of the Kep1er members deserve better.
The fact that you don’t care about Mashiro says it all. Mashiro was soo popular in GP999 but now she’s just as hidden as Yeseo. People always forget about Mashiro but sadly in this case unlike Yeseo where it’s the company’s fault. Mashiro decrease in popularity is her own. Her personality is very reserved and quiet but on stage she really does perform well.
This is truly heartbreaking 💀 i was so infested in the show but when the koreans started gangging up against the Chinese girls esp i was like *oh* they're gonna be screwed..
I couldn't agree more this video is everything I have ever needed. I agree with EVERYTHING you said and I feel the same way I just didn't know how to put my thoughts into words so I am very grateful you did it for me and other people who feel the same way. Just like you I was rooting for Kepler at the beginning and I even wanted to stan them but their lack of identity is KILLING me. When it comes to my preference concept is something that is THE MOST important when it comes to a group. To me it is absolutely A MUST for a group to have unique concept. My ult list consists of only one group Dreamcatcher and I fell like I don't need to explain why is it like that. Their concept is one of the most unique concepts in the whole kpop industry and because of their unique rock sound all their songs just scream dreamcatcher. Another group I stan is PIXY and groups I want to get into are LOONA, Purple kiss and Billlie. See the pattern? I know the video isn't about any of those groups but I brought them up because I wanted to really show how much concept matters to me. All these groups have their IDENTITY and are SPECIAL no other groups are like them. Kepler on the other hand feels boring without a real concept I don't know why anyone would stan a group when there is absolutely nothing and I mean NOTHING special about them. I truly feel sorry for the girls
Tbh I feel like this group was overhyped because they were in an Mnet survival show and people expected an Izone 2.0. Also the group and fandom still move with a competition mindset. Ranking the girls and competing over who’s more viral and who’s more popular. It’s just tiring and I want the girls freed
100% agreed, those girls are so so talented but got a very bad comapany. I am pretty sure their music quality doesnt even have chance to be compared other 4 gen groups. I guess only 3-4 members would have a solid career after disbandment(but would be hated by people by bringing up their perf in kepler, but they wont realize that the girls didnt have opportunities in kepler)
Honestly, my biggest issue with kep1ers music is the fact that their company is truly clout chasers. Having been in kpop since 2nd gen all of Kep1ers title songs sound like a once chart topping song from 2nd or 3rd gen. There newest song almost sounds like Sistar's Shake it which we know went viral after Loona covered it on queendom. They don't want to carve out a section for kep1er, they just want them to make money. I like their Japanese songs better than Korean and that's saying something bc I rarely prefer japanese songs over Korean. If I have to choose between Kep1ers remake and the original song, I'm just going to listen to the original. Wakeone needs to get it together.
I don't stan Kep1er but I stan TO1 (another group under WakeOne) and I can guarantee you that WakeOne IS the problem; You can take all the things that you said in your video, change Kep1er with TO1 and it's the same shit (except that TO1 is a permanent group and they changed the lineup for no real reason). WAKEONE HAS NO FUCKING IDEA OF WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR GROUPS! And the worst of all is that with Boys Planet, soon they will have a new group under their management and have no idea of what to do with it either.
Wakeone thought just because Kep1er come from an mnet show they had it in the bag. But the reality is, yes I.O.I and Iz*One had a head start because of Produce, but ultimately what made them so incredibly popular were their music and their content. Just like them Kep1er had hype around their debut, but unlike them Kep1er were unable to sustain that hype. There lies the huge difference.
I honestly can't bring myself to follow groups from survival shows and especially with temporary contact. It's just a lot, even though I was told that I was missing out with Izone. Unless the group is like Twice and they have years of being together and work well in terms of discography, freedom and so on.
They should go with a concept like MVSK, it's perfect for them. I still don't understand why WakeOne made WA DA DA as the title & debut track when they have MVSK all along tsk tsk tsk! Tbh, even typical Jpop wotas won't like a song like WA DA DA. Both Kpop & Jpop love a group that has their own identity, a concept that makes a group unique from the rest of idol groups
As someone who watches GP999 and through their debut + Queendom 2 + comeback, I gotta say that Kep1er do kinda... Miss?? First, they could've shown the other members's potential/face to the industry, as an individual (minus Yujin since she already have enough experience in the industry). If you're asking me about Kep1er members, I only knew Yujin, Xiaoting, Bahiyyih, Dayeon, Chaehyun and Hikaru. The others? I felt like they're invisible. Or maybe, I do still need some time. This may or may not cause an issue in the long run for them because they other members would most likely have to be tied to GP999 or Kep1er's name just for them to gain recognition. For Yeseo, I'm not quite sure about her since she already do have experience but in the group, I kinda feel like she's invisible with a few others. But idk. Maybe I'm wrong here. Second, I do recall TO1 going through the same issue as kep1er, yet I feel like... They're at least okay?? I mean, TO1 did came from a survival show....only for them to be thrown to another survival show. Now? They've changed their name's twice iirc (it's now officially TO1) and a few members have left and is now replaced with others. They also changed their concept overall. This means that Kep1er's not the only girl group Wake one manage to fail to handle, but also TO1. Oh, and let's not forget about the recent issue on how wake one mistreats Kep1er but TO1 got a good few treatment (kep1er having to go I forgot where in an economic seat plane whilst TO1 get to go to KCON 2022 in a business seat plane, and then there are guards who helped TO1 yet Kep1er barely have any help, etc). If this is what wakeone's gonna continue, I'm sorry but it's giving me that entertainment blue box company Yujin may or may not still a part of (if she is, someone please set her free). Third, about other member of kep1er being jobless is kinda... Idk?? Maybe?? But not so sure since from what I last remember, Hikaru is going to be a part of XG and promotes with them the moment her contract with Wakeone ends (but feel free to correct me). Lastly, if they're going to mistreat/misuse Bahiyyih and only make the public knows her for being HueningKai's sis, it'll hurt her and the company in the long run. Even I, someone who watches them, feel like they aren't giving her the place for her to be her self. Like, see her when the audition for GP999 (the one where she makes SpongeBob voices etc). She HAVE that talent. Why isn't Wakeone showcasing that?? I can see this girl have a lot of potential, but it was never shown to us. And I still remember the episode before the finale, I have a doubt about Bahiyyih because... I don't know what's her talent. They barely give her screentime and now with her having less lines (I mean, I don't mind if she's too shy, but at least give us 10-15% lines for her and her only), this would makes it worst for her. Other than that, I kinda do agree with you tbh. Nonetheless, I wish the girls a successful journey with Kep1er for now and whatever happens in the future, I wish them well.
@@TsukinoUtokki alright, thank you for informing me. Because I haven't update myself on her (and the last info that I know is that CLC disband. About the other members's new agency, I don't know much except for Yeeun and Sorn (I'm not sure about elkie and others)).
@@adyaparamitaputripratama2786 Elkie has activities in China, Eunbin and Seunghee are still under cube, Eunbin probably because her old contract hasn't expired yet and Seunghee might have signed again with Cube but we can't be sure as there was no statement about it. Seungyeon is looking for a new company
@@TsukinoUtokki Seungyeon also choreographed Sorn's latest single, which featured Yeeun, called Nirvana Girl. So it looks like Seungyeon might be going the choreography route soon.
The problem is kep1er contract is only for 2.5 years and the need loyal and consistent fanbase who can support the members individually Even after they disband and there luck not turn out to be like IOI . If they are permanent group than hardly anyone have issues with it because they good amount of popularity and fanbase but because there discography and content is actually not as good as people expected so they are loosing interest from them.
I watched gp999 and I was so disappointed with the final line up because only one of my fav trainees survived but then I said to myself it's okay I will still support the group but then they debuted with wddd and things started getting worse with the mistreatment of some of the members and their awful line distribution 💀 I still tried my best to be patient and wait for things to maybe get better then the whole ot8 keplians drama started and honestly it killed all the excitement I had... not to mention how I didn't like a single song or enjoy any of their content. Everything about this group is awful ( no hate to the girls because I still like them and feel sorry for them because they're trapped in this gp)
7:26 BRUUHHH omg im crying, as a xiaoting is my bias since gp999 and i agree wakeone has to push her talents out, hikaru is also my bias and i agree so much w you, man im also a mashiro bias and im hurt anyways yeah bahiyyih needs to be in a soloist project or sum 15:39 HELPPPPPPP OMGGG LMAO
The only silver lining with all this is that kep1er is currently most popular in japan. My only concern is that they might lose their popularity as these new groups hit the japanese market.
I mean let's gets some facts straight. 1) First of all kep1er aint getting jobless *as long as they sell 300-400k albums* each comeback and when sales keeps increasing. They might lack domestic (Korean) success but are still very popular internationally, specially in Japan. 2) Idk what content you've been watching (or rather not watching) with Kep1er but *Kep1er do go to variety shows almost CONSTANTLY.* From IDOLLIVE to MNET shows on M2 channel, and whole other bunch of side shows, they are constantly out there promoted on variety shows. But I agree that the editing on Wake one's own stuff (like kepchup and kep1us) could be better 3) While some of thier songs isn't my cup of tea, *their b-sides are amazing. Like MVSK and le Voya9e are some of my favorite songs this year.* And many people still seem to enjoy their title tracks because they sound kinda fresh, youthful and different. But yeah, it's not everyone's cup of tea I guess 4) Getting acting gigs for idols on a temporary group is kinda ¨ a bad idea. They only have so much time. *Acting takes up too much time for an idol on which they won't have time for other schedules such as comeback promotion.* Produce groups are very busy going back and forth between Japan and Korea and promoting also worldwide. 5) *What keeps me invested in Kep1er are their personalities and chemistry and how funny and entertaining they are.* Some people say they lack chemistry but they are the same people that don't follow or care for the group, aka solo stans. Yes I agree they are a big problem for this fandom 6) *They are overworked but what did we expect for a temporary group?* And don't think Queendom 2 really "flopped" as you say, Kep1er might have gotten some buzz going around them in Korea because of that show but maybe not as much as W1 hoped. 7) *Regarding their competition,* I couldn't care less. None of the other 4th gen groups interest me much honestly. Maybe it's just me. They might have some better content but the chemistry and personalities of Kep1er is unmatched for me at least. Kep1er is bright and happy and fun. 8 *I'll continue to support and stan Kep1er even if they are temporary* because I fell in love with them, their chemistry and much of their music. But I hope wake One wakes up and sees the potential of some members, like you kinda hinted, some of their talents aren't being used or shown and it's sad. 9) Even if Kep1er is an "experiment" as you say I find it to be a pretty good experiment tho lol. Damn your girl wrote a whole essay on youtube, better hope I get at least a C for this lmao
i think kep1er is going to do just fine as kep1er. just like you said, their sales are really good. i also love their chemistry. we do not know whether all of the members are close friends or not, because at the end of the day this is business, but no one that has watched their content can deny that they have a nice group dynamic. IVE is one of the most, if not the most popular 4th gen group right now, but i've seen a lot of people saying they don't really enjoy their content, mostly because of the members' relationships feel a little bit forced. now i doubt this will be an issue for IVE's success and they might grow closer together as time goes by, but to me kep1er's members' chemistry is a great quality. however after disbandment, it will be hard for most members to establish themselves in the industry. it's so much harder for ot9 fans to fully support them in new groups or as soloists, because it would be much more expensive and time consuming. they cannot rely just on their fandom as it is now. if they were doing better domestically, i think the general public might be curious about what the members would be doing after disbandment and this would give them a much needed boost. members with a large amount of solo stans such as hiyyih are safer, because they have a solid fandom that is willing to support them wherever they go, but this is not the case with most of the members. anyways kep1er is doing relatively well, so i think there is still some hope for them, but everything is up to their company now. i personally don't have much faith in wakeone when it comes to treating the members equally, but hopefully they can give them good music and an artistic direction that will shape their identity as a group (i don't think they have no identity, but they could do a bit better).
@lix Some say they lose fans but sales keep increasing, it doesn't add up. Means they're still gaining more fans than losing so Wake One probably thinks they're doing something right, why change something that apparently works. Or those who leave fandom are just casual fans and don't support the group with money (buying albums and merch). Company's primal care is money. I also think a lot of things can be improved, W1 seems to at least try, we have seen them get better at line distribution among other things. Some of the opinions in this video is more about personal taste rather than constructive criticism (what music Kep1er should make or what concept they should have). Its hard to please everyones tastes. However there must still be a lot of people enjoying this kind of music, style and vibe since Kep1er is actually getting more popular, (but not in Korea as much yet)
@@kejsik6374 Yes I agree. Also Kep1er has time to grow, 2 years sounds like a short time but for produce groups it's a very very busy full non stop promo of 2 years so a lot can still happen. I don't understand how some people can rule them out and say they're already going downwards, specially with the fact how well they're selling. I feel like most people who are disappointed probably were hoping for a different sound from them, but a lot of people also fall in love with their sound and vibe and become fans. It's hard to please everyone. And I'm with you on the identity, they are a bit all over the place but I kinda like them for that lol (personal preference I guess). I am a little confused what W1 did with the space/planet theme, it kinda got lost in space or whatever...? 😅
im not afraid for xt,ch and bahiyyih's future but the rest.... if w1 doesnt promote them well they are going to fade off im sorry, as a hiyyihlight the number one reason i stopped stanning the group was because if he lack of content and the way hiyyih is treated in fandom , till this day , i have nothing against the girls and i hope for the best for all of them but my heart and everything is with hiyyih and hiyyih alone , thank you for the video all the point you made are amazing keep up the good work .
u made a lot of good points ab the company's job, but I feel like if u feel like the girls are talented and u connect w them, u can still stan kep1er and follow them on their respective journeys after they disband.
I didn’t watch GP because of the past trauma from watching the produce series so i just waited to see and watched a reviews from the k-pop commentary channels. I went to Kcon this year and got to see them for fan interactions but I got beef with WakeOne in how they’re managing the girls. I was so confused why they were on Queendom 2 when they should be planning a comeback. And secondly there concept needs be story we can get behind and mv production needs to be better.
My problem starts with the lineup, and don’t get me wrong I love all 9 of the girls and I’m glad they could debut, but this lineup is not cutting it. Most of the members don’t fit the concept, in fact most of the members don’t fit with eachother. Their voices don’t blend well their image is a mess and let’s not get started on representation. This lineup was just a mess to begin with, you can’t just put girls who should do a cute concept with girls who fit a elegant concept AND girls who fit a girl crush concept. It doesn’t work well actually it doesn’t work at all, at this point I’m starting to not blame mnet for lineup rigging because look at iz*one the members all fit well within the group. And I know this is subjective but the lineup was messily decided by fans in the last moment. I mean we have xiaoting and yeseo in the same group, and i love them both but their images are totally opposite. Sometimes that’s good for a group but not for a temporary group that has no plans for the future
@@umlikewhocares yeah wa da da was all over the place and girls was too much and underwhelming at the same time, I love the girls and individually they have some of the most talented neweR 4th gen groups so it’s disappointing
W1 chose the concept that fits with the least amount of members. I kinda understand that the debut song was already decided on before the final lineup but they keep pushing that stuff. And to be honest, I was really confused when we got songs like ‘ooo, shine and another dream‘ for the survival show but then the concept switched to wdd for the actual group? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to give them songs with the concept they wanted to group to do?
I agree with pretty much everything, exept for the point where you're saying that they have no direction musically, in my opinion they are going to stick with the "wa da da sound" (not saying that they should or that I want them to), they made their japanese debut and the title track sounds so much like wa da da. idk I really think that's what they wanna do, still hoping for a better managment in general cause wtf is wake1 doing.
The part where I agree the most is the content, I mean at first the kep-chup eps were fun but it was bc I was curious about what was gonna come next (and they were debuting, I was excited for literally anything they did). The new episodes are just REALLY bad produced and honestly I'm not enjoying them anymore. I'm really scared that I might not like them anymore bc of the shitty company, they're still my ults bc of how emotional I get for them but I don't really know about the future.
wakeone is a company that truly annoys me, another issue is that most companies will let you know a month before so you could pre-order. no they give us less than a month to pre-order and some of kep1er fans are young so idk if they could even afford to buy those albums in a short time.
looking back at this video i think the one big thing that wasn't mentioned is how damaging the produce series rigging scandal hurt kep1er as a whole ... to be that first group to come out of a MNET survival show was going to be tough as domestically you'd always have that dark cloud surrounding you in south korea and would face the backlash of a country that was deeply hurt and offended by that scandal domestically south koreans didn't watch GP 999 so i honestly doubt they were going to support the group when they debuted and thru out their tenure as a group can make the strong case they were blackballed from the industry at least domestically that i doubt anything they could've done would've made south koreans support the group in general ... give them catchy trendy songs i don't think it would've mattered to be honest if the south koreans blackballed past kpop groups for lesser "scandals" if you want to call them that than i think kep1er had no chance of getting any footing domestically in south korea coming out of a network and or company that was behind the biggest music scandal in the history of south korea ... GP 999 was just the produce series under a different name and south koreans weren't buying that and you saw it with the ratings if there is one thing we know about kpop girl groups it's that to be "successful" you need the support of the south korean general public ... boy groups can get by even if they're not supported domestically ... girl groups can't do that so although kep1er started off well internationally domestically they were a non factor and that's basically why wakeone probably sent them to queendom and tried to get that boost like idle and oh my girl did in the first season of queendom but as mentioned queendom 2 failed which again probably had to do with south koreans not trusting or wanting to watch an MNET survival show so kep1er in a year's span was part of two survival shows in south korea that the general public there didn't watch or care about also imo 90% of international kpop fans are "bandwagon fans" to the core as they want to be part of the trendy thing and when they saw kep1er was not being popular in south korea and in return not a top tier girl group for the previous mentioned reasons they figuratively jumped ship and started to become fans of more popular trendy girl groups the exception being in japan where kpop fans are pretty loyal to the core as going back to GP 999 they actually watched the show, 5 million tuned into the finale back in oct 2021 ... 4 of their songs charted in the top 10, they've had like 16 sold out fan meets and concerts where they've sold like over 155k+ tickets and their 3 japanese albums have sold a combined 220k units with that i think kep1er was likely destined to be a mid tier group but then a toxic fandom and wakeone's poor management and disregard for the group and fandom as a whole made it worst whatever happens i wish nothing but good luck to the girls of kep1er going forward once they're done as a group ... rooting for all these talented girls to succeed and be happy in whatever their plans are both professionally and privately
i honestly think temporary groups are so perfect for actual real lore (like not just hints... in an mv that get forgotten after a year) and a storyline that makes sense because with regular groups it gets too messy trying to keep it going for the group's entire tenure but with a project group that you have a clear timeline for the like 2-3 years they're going to be a group it's genuinely the perfect opportunity to actually tell a full story from start to finish with everything planned out. i think it could really be something special if done right. like have 2-3 comebacks a year and plan out what the story is before you even debut the group so everything is planned out. it would be fucking awesome. and i think it would work to get people to stan them as well or at least be invested in their stuff while it lasts because you come for the music + full storyline combination. kind of like if a tv show was a series of albums
Just 2 cents, who stands for a group that is temporary and being an experiment - ELF for Super Junior 05. Kepler has a lot of problems, the controversy when they debuted have already hugely damage their name. Hence I think during that the beginning period the company or other shows may not have the gut to expose them too much. Also this is a huge reason why they don’t have united fandom. Which fans being very supportive made super junior a permanent group until now. Lack of identity and clueless on their concept is really another reason that why they can’t stand out in this competitive environment. Seeing some of their performances, nothing stand out. Overall the company saw a flop at the beginning and just gave up on them. That’s all. Hope the talented members can have better career after they disband.
I mean, kepler kinda sucks yeah but I for one am very excited to see what some of the girls do after this. hopefully they end up in groups or solo careers that suit each of them much better. personally i'm very excited to see what hikaru, xiaoting, yujin (please I beg the universe cause clc was already traumatising but now kepler too?), yeseo, youngeun and surprisingly bahiyyih do after the kepler contract expires
Yeah based on the success of previous mnet groups they thought that they wouldn't have to try hard ...also I think they are struggling finding a sound.. personally I think they are probably more invested in the next mnet group especially with what happened to x1 ppl are prob going to be more invested and also uslly boy groups do better money wise
Basically just like IOI after produce 101, they also had no concept and only got one year as a group because they were just testing out. Then Wanna One and IZone got a longer contract and better thought out concepts -.-. And yet IOI still had better songs than Kep1 it's sad, I really wanted the best for those girls since the finaly, I had high hopes :(
Also add favouritism wakeone can't even hide their bias towards some members it's just so visible and palpable Members aren't close to each other as they supposed to be i still feel like they're under some competition even when promoting as a Group
I think they should get a new producer cuz the music they released so far is mid at best however I disagree with the yeseo comment , she can act when she wants but it would pause their promotions , instead I think. They should make her a center , her center qualities got a lot of attention in gp999 , it feels like they have all the right pieces but doing the wrong puzzle
Every reason you mentioned was one of the reasons i didn't wanted to stan kep1er, but I gave up. I fell in love with their new album and i think they're doing better, not much but still
i liked so many other girls in gp999 that didn’t make it but i was ultimately not disappointed with the final lineup but it’s just that something didn’t click at the end, when i think of the girls individually they’re all IT girls so why the hell is wakeone not making kep1er the IT girl it was supposed to be? i don’t really like their music at all but people seem to enjoy their b-sides especially mvsk that got a lot of praise, it doesn’t matter if the albums are good they need the title to be appealing so they need to be given a song on par with mvsk to get them to the top then from there all the other opportunities will come their way. queendom was really pointless and i think a spring comeback would’ve been lovely instead of a summer comeback. they’re talented and pretty they just need the chance to showcase their talents and charms idk if i personally can ever like kep1er as much as i wanted to but maybe if they have a really good song they can attract more fans and just have more variety shows and endorsements opportunities and form the foundation for their future post kep1er careers.
also don't really understand the mashiro part? that was obvious bias. she's one of the members with the best vocal technique and still gets underutilized in songs. she could also very well be used in variety shows, acting gigs and ost's but in japan, to promote the group there too. i was agreeing until that part, you're very weird for that.
Izone settled on a Elegant concept, you know why? All the members fit that concept the best. *•Yujin,Hiyyih and Chaeyun* fits the elegant concept more. *•Xiaoting,Dayeon and Hikaru* fits the girl crush concept more. *•Mashiro,Youngeun and Yeseo* fits the teenage High school girls concept more. The problem with W1 is that they tried to mixed all those concept together and gave a "Planet" theme to it and called it a concept. My point is that W1 should've planned it seriously and not rush everything. Their contract is not that long, so we expected that everything will be planned well. But then look where we are now.
The only reason all 12 fit elegant is because the lineup was rigged. Kep1er, for better or worse, fits the spirit of 101 shows (fan-chosen lineup) the most, and naturally, that clashes with the vision the company wants.
@@starworld9745 It's the toxic solo stans and toxic ot8 stans who are annoying. You are free to stan whoever you like but some people are literally sending hate and negative comments to other members which is not okay.
xt and yujin will go into acting. the only ones I see potentially going to bigger companies are bh, ch, and maybe hk. the rest, if they make it, will go to nugus. ppl definitely notice who the lesser popular members are and will not invest them.
You worried they can't compete with other groups? Kep1er becoming jobless? How? Some achievements of Kep1er sofar: #1 Best selling group that debuted in 2022 -Sold out, 20,000 tickets in just 3 minutes (not even a concert but just a showcase) -3 Rookie of the Year awards -#3 Highest 1st day by K-Pop Girl Groups on Oricon in 2022: (#1&2 Twice, #3 Kep1er) -K-Pop Idol Groups with at least a song surpassing 100 million streams on Billboard Japan (BTS, TWICE, Kep1er) -Wing Wing” is currently the highest charting song by a korean act on LINE Music Top 100. Most-liked music videos released by K-Pop Girl Groups in 2022 on RU-vid #1. Pink venom -- 3.8M #2. Ready For Love - 2.5M #3. WA DA DA - 2.4M -# 4 MOST FOLLOWED 4TH GEN GG ON TWITTER (ITZY, AESPA, GIDLE, KEP1ER) -# 4 MOST FOLLOWED ON INSTAGRAM (ITZY, AESPA, GIDLE, KEP1ER) -# 4 MOST FOLLOWED ON RU-vid (ITZY, GIDLE, AESPA, KEP1ER) -# 3 MOST FOLLOWED ON TIKTOK (ITZY, AESPA, KEP1ER) -# 1 MOST FOLLOWED 4TH GEN GIRL GROUP DEBUTED IN 2022 ON LINE MUSIC -4th Gen K-Pop Girl Groups with the most certified albums on Circle Chart (#1 Iz*one, #2 Itzy #3 Kep1er, IVE) #3 Highest 1st day Debut Album by Rookie Groups in hanteo. -WA DA DA” is now the seventh most-streamed 4th Gen debut song on Spotify, surpassing (G)I-DLE’s “LATATA”. -As of July, #2 Fastest K-Pop Idol Group debut songs to reach 100 million streams on Spotify - #2 Girl Group 2022 Debut Worldwide iTunes Album Chart Debut Ranking -Worldwide iTunes Album Chart (06 September) 15. KEP1ER "Fly Up" 18. ONEUS "MALUS" 67. NewJeans "New Jeans" 79. KimJaeHwan "Empty Dream" 103. TWICE "BETWEEN 1&2" 111. KEY "Gasoline" 141. BLACKPINK "THE ALBUM" 194. BLACKPINK "KILL THIS LOVE" -WA DA DA" has been certified RIAJ Gold -All debut songs have wins in music show credits @Nin
I feel that’s other 4th generation k-pop groups that have their own lore/concept like Billlie and Pixy. I really like Billlie’s short films that are dedicated to their lore/concept. I wish Pixy had more short film type of videos. These concepts are vastly different from Aespa’s concept.
@@miaw2716 She has no star presence whatsoever her brother's name and the fact that South Korea's obsession with white/half white folks are the only reasons why she's still here. She's literally unpopular in SK and if Hybe does end up recruiting her for their future GGs they're gonna regret that shit
Honestly, the fandom should do better. Like yes I get that bahyyih had an advantage but she's one of my favs and it doesn't make any of her supporters want to support the group if they feel their fav is not appreciated in the fandom. It wouldn't matter as much in a permanent group because the fans can be like this is the only time to support my fav but is a temporary group so people can be like I'll just wait until disband. I like to feel like you know tge fandom actually loves everybody. Two they need better songs and styling. And they need to push all members more. Like I like other members too like yeseo xiaoting hikaru mashiro but they are just they don't feel like their company in anyway loves them and more like members they have to deal with. They just don't give them anything substantial that says yes these members are all substantial to the group.
Sometimes I think I like them just because I was invested in GP999 (O.O.O and the songs from the creation mission where in my top songs of 2021) I was really invested when wadada and mvsk came out and I liked it But then queendom came with whatever where kep1ers performances, till this day I still don't understand why they chose the boys, the lack of consistency of going from Pool party to the girls just made me confused of what image they want Kep1er to have When Up! Came out, I just couldn't listen to the album, the only song I hear sometimes is the title track With wing wing, oh my god, I just can't listen to this song, like seriously? What they had in mind when they made that thing? WHO LIKED THAT "SONG"?
The reason why I am not a keplian is exactly because of their lack of identity. When I want to stan a new group it is usually their songs and concepts that get me. Kepler is just not interesting to me in both of these ways. I like their song mvsk though
