The Real Reason Behind Thor’s Rocky Relationship With Natalie Portman 

Its a franchise for children and adults who are mentally/emotionally/intellectually/developmentally deficient. Literally a cash cow for Disney's parent company which is owned by a Chinese mega corp.

marvel "humor" is just terrible and childish

amen

thor ragnarok and guardians of the galaxy movies did the humour best imo

This has been a problem for a long time now

Considering that she had carte blanche to do Wonder Woman 84, I'm seriously wondering would Thor Dark World have actually been better if she'd done it the way she wanted.

@@NelsonStJames wait she did wonder woman 84?? Oh that movie was trash

@Esphaeras Praestans well now im conflicted because i liked the first one. How did the 2nd one go so wrong?

@@meesironman she got too much creative freedom and many ppl working on the script weren’t there for the second

@@meesironman you don't understand ww84. It was a horrible time of superficiality and greed that has lead to this nightmare world we're living in now. WW losing her powers was a correction of the horror WW faced when ownership was stolen to a publisher that turned her into a housewife that spent her day looking at dresses. She chooses to lose the man she loves to keep her powers to save the world. Love saved the world from destruction as the greedy man finally gives up power to save his daughter from the chaos he's created.

Movies are more art than science, and businessmen are some of the people with the lowest possible artistic spark in existence.

@@zxb995511 yet for some reason they haven't learned that sticking their noses where it doesnt belong causes them to lose money.

Actually history has proven that without a smart businessman at the helm, creative people can't see the woods from the trees.

@@Taydar I dont disagree. Creative people lack the conscientiousness to succeed in business. But it seems like after the hundredth blockbuster flop that exec's meddled in, they would learn their lesson.

@@4xdblack but it could be that the executive meddling actually made it better, not worse. They often try to salvage a stinker.

Problem Solved. Go Watch the new Movie THOR: Gay World

makes sense. it is called "The Dark World" for a reason

I have no problem wit this movie at all. Twisted story and I love it.

That's my top movie pet peeve, when the movie has no freaking lighting crew.

@@cherryblossom7120 Which seems odd considering it's almost all CGI

You dont think constant jokes to undercut the seriousness of every scene helped to empower the story of her losing battle against Cancer? Huh, who could have foreseen this?

i dont think her story is over yet ...

@@felixleidig8307 she literally died???

@@misspiggy4545 if you know the comic...then you know that valhalla is not the end of jane foster

Also I'm tired of all the female heroes dying. Don't make us think there's a new female hero if she's not even gonna last one movie. And a bad movie at that. Portman deserved better.

As I am not familiar with the comics , I was very satisfied with the villain. No need to make it more butchery. The actor already conveyed his emotions very well.

@@SkeletonLord delete this shit now

It’s for kids this movie in that it succeeded but really does Thor have to be so stupid sometimes

My issue with the movie is everything (literally everything) took a back seat to the Thor/Jane romance. (And they finally nailed the relationship and the chemistry between Chris and Natalie is the best it’s been. And that was prob the best part of the movie). But it feels like it was the only thing in the movie that mattered. Valkyrie and Korg were pretty much just walking punchlines and though Bale killed it as Gorr, we really had little discovery in his character before he was already facing Thor

@@antoninicolas6222 I hear they cut it to make a kids movie seems the explanation for a more serious movie it would be amazing but not to be

Wonder Woman 1 was great though

I mean all marvel movies sucked tok. It's all just spectacle. No wonder Scorsese doesn't even want to call it "cinema". Lmao

It did suck but the first wonder woman just trumps over any mistakes of the upcoming 3rd one

@@Vizible21 Joker and The Batman are cinema I don’t care what he thinks

@@Vizible21 Dc isn’t doing much better than Marvel I have little faith in Black Adam, Flash and Aquaman

Hela?

Marvel’s Agents of Shield or even Agent Carter had amazing female characters the writing was great for them. However, those shows have such a small fan base and not a lot of love or respect from the MCU.

@@jasem2702 could blame odin since odin raised her to be a warmonger then imprisoned her once he decided he wanted to be peaceful and stop fighting all the time.

@@littlerocker121314 what makes it wild is the initially were supposed to connect to the mcu same for daredevil, luke cage and the other show

Negative. You’re an idiot.

You’re lame. I had a lot of fun watching it. And this is coming from a guy that walked out of the latest doctor strange movie. That movie was a joke.

Nah, we didn't outgrow it. It just got, worse? Eternals Shang Chi Doctor Strange 2 Thor 4 All of those movies had poor plots and lackluster execution. The MCU rarely ever missed before, now it seems like it barely hits. This is what happens when you lose Cap and Iron Man, no realistic earth bound heroes. Only Spidey is grounded with good movies these days

@@cevcena6692 personally thought Shang chi was a great addition, well grounded and reminded me of early phase 3 movies. I agree the rest have had increasingly messy executions and plots tho, hope this isn’t gonna be a trend for too long 🤞

@@KinWa1 I can see that, I feel like the dragon plot was unnecessary when most origin stories had fairly simple stakes. I hope the MCU shapes up, if not it'll be smth only kids will enjoy

Same man. I got that feeling at the end game

I bet u won't

Thanks for your comment, I feel the same way.

Well she was public about her loathing of Thor The Dark World, but so was everyone else. What this video doesn't tell you is that at the time the movie was filmed she was either pregnant or had just given birth, I can't remember which, but the point is, she didn't want to work at all, and she resented the fact that she was forced to by contract. Naturally, she had a miserable experience, but she figured that since her contract was fulfilled they would not need her anymore, but she never quit it said she wouldn't work for Marvel again.

@The Dark Forest The latter. The second paragraph is just my theory but to me, it makes more sense.

Your comment wasn't the most simplest one. Your comment was just an assumption you made .

Portman was big enough to sign on for one movie at a time, which was more common in Phase One.

I felt so bad cuz I saw the potential the plot had, had 90% of the comedic aspect been removed. Straight up Thor was in his prime as a character in Infinity war and end game. Like he had some comedy to him but it mostly dark and fare between due to how he felt. In this movie it felt like they just played his trauma and clear depression for laughs. Every time he would talk about how he felt they would ridicule him or something similar, it was rare that he made the joke himself. Personally I think it would have been better had they gone with either a more balanced approach or removed most of the comedy and taken Thor as seriously as Infinity war did. It could have been so good had it been a deep dive into how Thor processed and dealt with loss. Instead we got cringy jokes and not taking anything but like one thing seriously. By the end I felt completely uninvested just cuz all the jokes took me out of it and made it feel like there where no stakes.

Couldn't finish that bullshit.

@@ricremricrem2221 I just wanted to comment on the quality of your critical opinion as opposed to like 90% of people clowning on recent MCU films. I’m not in the same place as all of it but can see where you come from. Me, I think the film is probably too tightly edited. I loved the film and all its components, but if we had 15 more minutes of on-point Gorr or Jane/Thor dialogue? That would elevate it probably past Ragnarok for me.

Taika Watiti did terrible on "Ragnarok". And the same thing on "Love And Thunder".

Victim of his own success

This is one of the mcu’s problem it’s a hodgepodge of material from multiple eras in the comics and they expect it to work together well while in some movies like endgame not actually following the rules they establish in the movie

Except that one short scene in Endgame. Didn't she shoot that one?

Agreed, although the actress who played Sif was too mannish to work well in the part. Jaimie Alexander simply doesn't work as a genuine love interest.

TDW didn’t flop…

Portman is both hypocritical & contradicting of herself.

Natalie is a snob. Scarlett, on the other hand, always acts respectful of the movies she is in. No arrogance in her.

@@Adriana-eu6ty and yet she tried to sue the studio because her terrible movie was terrible

@@bnbnism her movie was excellent though, loved by everyone I know, and Scarlett had the right to be angry about being cheated out of income.

@@Adriana-eu6ty She complained she was sexualized in Iron Man, and her movie sucked. Stop worshipping these phonies and get a proper god, or rock, or tree, whatever. It's really sad because most of you consumers are adults.

@@bnbnism uhm she sued because disney violated the contract, like, are you defending disney, a well known money hungry company?

Is Dr. Strange science fiction?

@@leichenbuch No but I can understand it's magic. But Gods who are also vulnerable like normal humans, can be extremely evil too, can't wrap my head around it.

@@AbdullahAlSayeed lol You mean Marvel comic book audience, as in the dumbed down, 15-25 year old juvenile man-child who can only understand juvenile Marvel stories. DC movies, on the other hand, is full of gods among men, so Thor would've fitted right in.

@@leichenbuch No it's not. Doctor strange and Thor should also be in the same category.

@@rachetmarvel931 Sounds right. After all, Thor regularly dealt with magic-users. He also dealt with supervillains that other superheroes fought against (not to mention he was an early member of the comic book Avengers) so it's silly of the OP to try and assert that Thor is somehow out of place or 'the misfit franchise within the MCU.' The Hulk is hardly based around sci-fi. Sci-fi isn't a key element in most of their superheroes once you get past the origin stories. Cap has very little sci-fi. Even Iron Man just substitutes limitations in his suit for limitations in Cap's physique. The Torch flies naturally (so to speak) while Iron Man flies using repulsor rays and the like while Thor uses his hammer. How does calling one science and the next one magic make any real difference? It's not as if the books pause for a 90 minute lecture on how we might in practice develop anti-gravity boots.

It's the same thing with Multiverse of Madness trying to say that Christine Palmer was some great love and loss for Strange even though he never seemed to bring her up much in the films after it nor did the films really feel like they wanted to show that off, so it's a lot to try to ask for that the character has that much investment when she had so little a presence.

@@motherplayer That was somewhat showed in the what if series. That marvel now expects people to also be caught up with all the series. But that doesn't change that all the phase 4 plans have been pretty bad. Expect for far from home.

If there is forced love, what about thunder?

Is Watiti's fault, though? If you just take this film as a stand-alone (is that even possible?), do you feel differently about Thor and Jane?

It's such a waste to have a character like Darcy Lewis/Kat Dennings and not use her. I mean, when she ran over Thor and knocked him unconscious in the first movie was a great example of the $150 million dollar budget for the movie.

I think it was an awful choice for Waititi's Ragnarok style. Or at least he could have opted to go more Hunt for the Wilderpeople here. Jane's story is tragic and should hurt. When Thor asks what she's been up to and she lays the tragic truth on him, it was a laugh line. And I just didn't get the same chemistry here between Hemsworth and Portman that I did in Thor. It just feels like a classic case of a director's success allowing him to be completely self-indulgent, where self-discipline might have helped the film land its emotional beats.

It isn't a bad film. It's awful. I was able to convince myself for eternals but I couldn't for thor even though he is my favorite mcu character.

@@fahadrehman4405 wooooah eternals was awful. Love and thunder is a fun watch

Ragnarok is a rare masterpiece. Its going to be really hard to top that. Its got a 95% with CRITICS on RT for a popcorn action movie. Though the Thor movies always had an element of silliness, this movie leaned too much into the comedy that was set in Ragnarok. I still otherwise enjoyed it.

Agreed

Woke marvel

@@sundayroast4785 wow, real original.

@@sundayroast4785 I'm referring to the writing & structure of the MCU going down. Last thing I could care about would be politics.

Tilted camera go brrrr

SPOILER WARNING Gor's story is fantastic and feels out of place. As a "god" who has been focused on his own problems for so long, this could have dovetailed nicely with Thor's shirking his own responsibilities and the larger losses that has caused, or simply just leaving Jane behind to deal with her problems on her own. Jane's human drama feels glossed over. "I have cancer" should not be a punchline. I get that it is a very heavy topic to drop in an MCU film, but then don't tell that story. They avoided Tony's alcoholism, they could have avoided Jane's cancer. Or they could have just done it right.

Waititi*

@@misterdarwin They 100% could have done justice to Jane's cancer. Thor's pain, trauma, and loss. Gorr's motivations and tragedy. Sif's... well... if you saw the movie you KNOW how DIRTY they did her. But instead we get jokes with no punchlines. Jokes with no reasoning. Jokes that, when thought about, are off putting. I guess I should have seen it coming because Taika was helming it but with such amazing performers in it I guess I had my hopes up. Bale was the friggin' star of the movie.

@@sakulaeyr9819 I had the same issues with Ragnarok - Thor's friends being slaughtered while he is having a happy go-lucky adventure. But at least they mostly kept the Hela and Battleworld stories distinct, and Battleworld lent itself to a goofball comedy. Here we have Gorr instead of Hela, and like that story is mostly played straight. But the buddy picture with Hulk is replaced with Jane. So they replaced a giant man baby with... a former lover dying of cancer. Somehow the laughs died. Go figure. I'd also add that as far as comedy goes, they swapped Goldblum for Crowe and Hiddleston for Portman. That's loss-loss. Love Natalie, but comedy isn't her strong suit (plus cancer). Valkyrie wasn't funny. She was a walking token of representation in search of a character, which sucks because I like Valkyrie in the comics and like Tessa Thompson. And then there was Korg. A little Korg goes a long way. There was just too much Korg, and you could feel them trying to make him funny. His humor in Ragnarok was more natural stemming from his alien nature and confusion. This was just him trying to be Fozzy Bear.

@@misterdarwin See, that's what kills it for me. They were too cowardly to treat Gorr and Cancer with the gravity it deserved. Dancing around serious topics while having a fanciful laugh at trauma, death, and illness? Either make a goofball comedy aimed at 10 year olds or make an epic greek tragedy with all the wonderful trimmings (love, sacrifice, etc) that you've sprinkled around since Thor 1. Edgar Wright should have gotten this movie.

Exactly. Don’t think she was getting nearly as much as Hemsworth

When was the last time natalie was in a movie?

ye

Iron Man was literally an AC/DC album.

Had about 3 posters & two T shirts as well! Was overwhelming.

@@derf1138 Yeah but the songs on the iron man 2 soundtrack spanned a fair chunk of AC/DC’s discography. This movie uses 3 songs from GNR’s debut and another from Use Your Illusion 1. Plus the GNR songs they used are 4 of their (arguably) most famous songs compared to Iron Man 2 which had some hits and some deep cuts.

@@jeshbleckwill3208 the fuck is gnr

Wow really appreciate this. Thank you!

@@Nerdstalgic Except you suck, where's the other dude that narrates these? His voice is better for this.

We didn't get to see the god-butcher do any butchering. Having Christian Bale wasted like this almost makes my blood boil.

@@HolybasilYT facts

@@HolybasilYT You're so right Gorr got beaten up so easily by Thor and the others it was just sad

His Agatha Christie movies are really good!

The Squid and the Whale was Noah Baumbach. Director of The Meyerowitz Stories and Marriage Story. Still a good film though. Did you mean Eagle vs Shark?

What are you talking about? Waititi had nothing to do with The Squid and the Whale.

Taika made Hunt for the Wilder People but he really blew up with Jojo Rabbit

@@nourmallysalty What We Do In the Shadows is what brought him to a lot of movie enthusiasts. Ragnarok is what blew him up and let him do JoJo.

I think they should just stop. Phase 4 lacks the drive of the previous 3 phases. And after over a decade the formula is getting old. There's nothing new or refreshing in their movies. There's no concequences to their story. Which begs the question. If there's no concequences why should I care. The drive of the mcu was the Avengers which smoothly transitioned to Thanos. But phase 4 is an unwanted sequel with only one objective. Money.

Write a good story with create freedom to the filmmakers? You mean like what they did with WandaVision, MoonKnight, and Ms Marvel? Those shows shine because they’re not chained to being comic accurate and just write a good story and make you love he characters. And Oscar Isaac and Iman Velani are so good they’re about to carry the MCU.

@@Fantallana Wandavision shines a bit but became dim in the last episode, They show quicksilver but it's ralph boner and jt became messy same with moon knight it supposed to be a lesser cgi fight with more combat scenes because you know it's cool to have more action scenes that are not CGI'ed but in the end we got another useless Kaiju fight but I like the characters and story so far but you can see they are pulling back and here comes Ms. Marvel which I totally understand and what or who audiences they are aiming and pushing back the Disney-fied teenage tv shows but the cultural representation and character development are not balanced well because of the cultural representation covered the whole show and not the main character, I'm Asian but I am enough proud to see Marvel represents shows and movies without borders, but not the overload representation but I like Falcon and the Winter soldier because it shows more emotions and the development of the characters with the society, but it's too fast and it should make it slower to feel the grit, and Loki is well written adventure-ish series but the last episode became like a teaser trailer for season 2 but the show is great but not very great and lastly Hawkeye and it has the common problem, hype culture, why the final boss is a character that only appeared in the Daredevil shows, but only appears in the hawkeye season finale? You can't feel the personal conflict between Kate and Kingpin because Kate doesn't know him, Hawkeye knew him but when and where? Kingpin's role in Hawkeye is more likely a hype cameo than an actual villain. So Phase 4 wants to expand more because of the MCU's success and well written stories and I noticed that Phase 4 shows more diversity or different ethnicity but why now? Why can't make it a normal thing in movies and shows before? if Disney wants to aim or show diversity, they should normalized it and people can agree that everybody always one of us, equal and it is not even decisional or not optional because that's what it is and not creates some overload representation that shadowed the main plot, Creative freedom by the directors can save the MCU

@@brandonbalkaran what i think is YOU should stop watching MCU movies instead

@@brandonbalkaran So far Phase 4 is better than phase 1.

I assume he’s working on producing the movie they crowdfunded.

@@floppy3433 damn that's dope as

@@floppy3433 oh ok that's cool. Long as he's well

In my opinion, that's entirely the case.

@Mazzy SPOILERS IMO the biggest offender is when Zeus blasts Korg. Having a god take his friend should be proper motivation to kill a god and bringer Thor closer to being like Gorr. It'd make thematic sense so that when Thor rejects hate in favor of love, it makes him stand out from his enemy. But no. Now the funny rock man is a talking head. Great.

Yeah, I thought so too. Especially when Darcy runs over Thor. And keeping the continuity going Jane also backs into Thor and knocks him unconscious.

For me one of the best and first Iron man

Black widow is one of the worst

I can definitely see this take for some, but at the same time I know she was nothing more than a damsel in distress with more steps in The Dark World. And it wasn't even many more steps. Plus you can't really levy that too hard for how Marvel makes movies now..... well, I wouldn't.

and definitely no logic.

yeah. Also back when first Thor movie came out, superhero movies weren't as popular as now and Portman wasn't much of a geek to commit to such genre.

She sucked in The Dark World too.

@No Nope Of course not. She's not a character. She has no development, b/c that implies women are ever incomplete. She's just an image. An absurd image so that Marvel can continue to pretend it's feminist.

"She's not even a character. She just shows up to say meme lines and occasionally hit things." But isn't that Jane Foster's arc in the movie? She is not a super hero. She was just given powers and now she plays/acts like what she thinks a superhero would be like. The characterization is awkward because the character is not set in her role.

Did you actually watch the movie?

But she gets to play superhero and smash things. Not a lot of opportunities for Portman to do that (while making a ton of cash to boot!). The bit about her finding a catch phrase feels like the most genuine thing about Portman in this film - she's here to play with the boys and having fun doing it. Unfortunately (SPOILER WARNING) her character is dying of cancer and in love with the lead and I didn't feel any of that. This story demanded way more heart and far less silly. Love Taika but he dropped the ball.

For me, she's like that extra sweet your nice aunt gives you after you've already had dessert. Will you take it? Yeah. Are you going to enjoy it any more? Nah, you'd probably even throw it away and not think about it

No. Any film is better without an actor in it half -assing it.

Not really lol. She was ok in first movie.

@@waynestephens9797 Too true. Should have kept Lady Sif.

Sorce: pure hatred?

@@cybercriminal3110 are u blind???? Have u even seen the movie

@@cybercriminal3110 LMFAO, her arms are literally CGI. Marvel isn’t hiding that fact lol

@@dario-8288 Uhh no? It came out literally two days ago. But I've seen trailers and clips and she looks very real to me. Besides, do you really think Chris Hemsworth's body looks like that normally lol?

@@Wangdoodle444 I'm sure Taika Waititi himself told you. Find a confirmation and I'll believe you. Until that that's just another rumor spread by a jealous internet weirdos.

Idk, the writing was on the wall with Ragnarok

He is going to make the next star war’s film too. He can help ruin that too

It's the same thing now over and over. Inserting himself on-screen and everything is turned into a joke. It's ok Thor your entire family is dead, your home and people destroyed but here's a funny talking rock man to entertain your idiot brain

Duh

Pretty much lmaoo

And the fact she’ll always be known in her life as someone who played Thor one of the most popular super hero’s on the planet…but definitely money lol

She has to eat.

They tried to put a few side plots in there to add ~layers~ to a movie that never actually put any drama or stakes in. Like, how is the audience supposed to care about Gorr killing Gods when even the Gods don't give a shit? If Love & Thunder was a cartoon show like Harley Quinn's, it would make a ton more sense. Also, Jane's arc could've and maybe even should've been its own movie. She was the most dynamic character in the movie imo.

General Kenobi

"Orewa... gon freeces!"

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I have been a Natalie Portman fan since I first saw Star Wars episode 1 in theaters that I wanted all her merchandise from the franchise and would carry her voice chips with me she is so much better then most of the actors the mcu has

what a rebel you must be, paying 16$ and not finishing the movie...you sound like a james bond villain . literally scared right now.

Agreed

@@papageorges6428 cringe.... I'm not surprised you'd be a fan of bad comedy.

I completely disagree. But I guess you just need to loosen up your tits a bit and not hold on to your expectations for dear life to appreciate individual expression within a world you know. May be hard. But I recommend it very much. Also, my impression was that cringe was an intentional emotional result at certain points. That's on brand for Taika as part of his humour. I personally love it. And I liked Love and Thunder better than Ragnarok.

@@mangaas nah they’ve got a point

Nah

Me and my brother have been rewatching the phase 1 movies, and I don’t get why people think phase 4 is “downhill.” We’ve made it through IronMan 1 and 2, Hulk, and Thor 1, and they’re all just “ok” at best. And yet people shit on movies like Captain Marvel? which is honestly better than any of those films. (Yes I know CM is phase 3.) And the Disney+ series are too, in our opinion.

I think Thor II

Why would we see Loki in the end?

I missed Loki. Thor without Loki feels incomplete

She's a scientist. Like you said, they could literally have a quick flashback of her doing something noble and selfless when she has no power and boom, worthy

@@quakethedoombringer Thousands of eligible people in that case. This explanation is quick enough and serviceable.

@@misterdarwin It doesn’t make it a good Yas Queen moment if a guy gives her the powers. 🤣

just remove like 1-2 'very's and that's actually ragnarok, i liked it but it should've gotten a 80% in rotten tomatoes, not the incredibly high 83% or something

Me. Better than the David taika dross

It was pointless

@@yourwifewasinmedms5137 bad take

I wish that she would stay dead, Marvel is losing it's gravity because nobody ever stays gone.

Why?

Jane being Thor makes sense from the story arcs that they are pulling from tho

@@FireShinbo Gender and race swapping seems to be the "story arc".

Honestly I didn't feel the chemistry between them and it felt like the romance was forced. The dynamic between Thor and Loki was always way more organic and interesting. Valkyrie and Bruce I felt had a better dynamic with him even than Jane.

Well that's a load of completely fictional baloney.

@@Carabas72 It isn't and I'm fairly certain it's been talked about publicly. She very much wanted out of the universe as she was incredibly angry at the firing of the female director. I was working as a stand in, I sat around on my ass waiting that very day. Not that any of it matters, there will be ten other stories to rival this one and all different so believe what you wish :)

But Taika co-wrote Love and Thunder, in addition to being director and Korg vs Ragnarok where he was just director and Korg. I’m not saying it’s not entirely Taika’s fault but saying the co-writer and director aren’t to blame then who is?

@@NateDizzle312 Marvel producers wanting to replicate Thor Ragnarok. In this movie you can tell that Waititi has a good vision, it’s just held back by the higher ups

💀

I never liked Thor's comedic tone. Kinda glad this movie failed so we could move on from the stupid Marvel jokey formula. Patty Jenkins' more serious Thor plot sounded more interesting than anything Taika has written.

I think most of the feedback you give doesn't only apply to thor. I love marvel films & can't seem to get enough of them. But after No Way Home's major success, I do feel a majority of films following it just isnt that good starting from moon knight onwards until now, except Shang Chi. (Rewatched shang chi a total of 8 times already) All had the same problem, bad pacing, bad dialogue, and awkward fight scenes that felt like they were mixed into it just because every marvel film is considered an "action" movie. Again just an opinion, dont slam me people✌🏻