The irony of this interview is that Davy Coombs and his sister's antics is directly in line with the way Guy Cooper was handled regarding his attempt to build a facility to host a national. Listen to Guy's interview with Ping where it lays it out. When Guy discussed this situation, many people literally said "that isn't true". Now put Bud and Lori's experience with Guy Cooper's experience and then add WW Ranch in Florida not wanting to be on the national circuit anymore and how coincidently they lost their Loretta Lynn's qualifier race. Take Davy's right hand man, Tim Cotter and the situations that he has been involved with (or created on his own poor behavior) over the last five years (Deegan's bike claim, not letting a young girl practice at LL's, getting in the face of fans at Red Budd to name a few) and you have three people who manipulate the sport in an unprofessional manner and ONLY to the pad their own pockets. The beauty of social media is that these types of business antics will expose the true character of a company and those that run them. If you really want to see how the amateur motocross and professional motocross scene is handled, attempt to start your own race series. MX Sports has handcuffs on nearly every track in the United States with either an Area, a Regional or "if you prove your good enough we might consider you for an Area" conversation. The most concerning element of this entire situation is the way that Davy can look directly Jase directly in the eyes and spin the entire situation. I find it interesting that Davy never mentioned his sisters role as legal counsel and that she was actually getting paid by the NPG group. If the Daytona Motorsports Group (DMG) wanted to deal with only one figure head from the NPG group, that should have been a group decision, not the executive decision of Davy or his sister. The level of deceit is next level when it comes to the entire Coombs family. Huge thank you Jase for bridging this subject - the entire motocross community appreciates the efforts you have put in concerning this entire situation.
@@CoachRobbBeams it is true….Guy is a good friend….and I am a landowner and promoter who did two GNCCs ….i have worked alongside their wonderful crew. Now for the management….well I wouldn’t trust anything they said… I have some pretty crazy stories but would only share them to you on DM. Guy Cooper is one of the nicest hard working people in the business.
Something needs to be done to get this ongoing dispute resolved. Glen Helen is such an iconic track that always provides great, competitive racing. So much better than several of the outdoor tracks on the current AMA schedule. Always comes down to $$ squabbles unfortunately:(.
@larrypinball5496 nah a lot of them they have now just suck altogether. Boring to race on and to watch. Glen Helen, Steel City, Lake Sugar Tree were awsome tracks and Lake Sugar Tree was the scariest, with fast knarly sections as well as areas of feeling closed in as if yoy over shot a turn at the bottom of a steep hill that was also the downside of a table top then you ended up in a lake that was 20 feet from the turn. These tracks they replaced them with on the Pro Circuit just over money straight up suck
Did you miss the part where they said one of the Coombs was leading the NPG the whole time and then all the sudden the Coombs separately got the bid behind their backs?
@@jpesicka999 Yes, I remember that from the previous Coombs interview. I was hoping to know more about the sanctioning body asking for 3500 tickets at the event, and the whole merch argument.
@@jpesicka999 yes that was said but there was no definitive response saying that, that was the reason there's no race at Glen Helen? Which is the title of the video? What is said that it didn't smell right and I don't want to work with someone I don't trust that'd be different there was all kinds of complementary stuff said about Coombs so it still seems inconclusive to me?
@@gregwebb749 I think people are used to reality tv types of over-inflated drama when, in reality, business beefs are far more "politically stated" in order to preserve the opportunity for business in the future. But the part at 16:57 I think Bud is misinformed. The corporate council works for the corporation they're contracted with, NOT both parties. Unless papers were signed that Bud was to be part of something, absolutely whomever he's in negotiations with can go off and do their own thing without Bud's approval.
Honestly my best memories of Motocross were when I moved to CA in 2000, I went to the GH National every year from 01-05. The fences were so close to the riders I could’ve reached out and grabbed Carmichael on the hill! I’m glad we still have Pala but it’s definitely no Glen Helen.
Glen Helen showed the Alessi family an amazing amount of respect and gratitude when Jeff passed away last year. They did some amazing rides for Jeff and even had a plane fly by with his name ❤ Glen Helen showed how truly amazing the motocross community is.
Sr Feldkamp, just a thanks. I’m a lil north but I’d watch the Glen Helen race even if I wasn’t following the sport anymore. Just a sincere thank you, I know that was a lot of work to produce. And we ain’t all blind. Sincerest gratitude for you passion.
I can see Budds primary grievance regarding being partners with NPG and Coombs leading that effort and then watching the Coombs abandon the group and seize the opportunity for themselves. If I've got that part correct it's easy to see where trust was lost.
The daughter keri coombs who ran npg did not resign and she was paid to do her job and responsibilities. She was responsible for being trustworthy and doing her best for the npg. She neglected that responsibility when her family bid for multiple series and npg only bid for mx only. Npg was not given honest info to bid for all 4 series together. They were under impression to bid for mx only. Coombs family bid for all of them and won. Npg would have been another competing bid had they known. Very corrupt. I got BUD keeps to himself and keeps his pride like he has done. He is 80 years old and has done alot of good for moto. I respect BUD. Shame on gypsy for trying to get BUD to sale his pride.
@@Bigdirtbikeguy Once again, the Coombs family did not win the bid. DMG did. I don't want to be another mean person on the internet but it's hard enough to get this story straight without you making things up on the internet. I have been wrong before, so I went back and listened to Chase read Davy's letter again. The Coombs family did not win the bid. You don't know what you are talking about.
So basically long story short. Davey Coombs wanted 3,500 free tickets that he resells to athletes for $75. Bud wanted to give away 1,000. MX Sports (Davey) came down to 2,500. Bud was willing to come up 1,500. Negations stalled. So basically all that’s stopping a Glen Helen national is $100,000. Bud said that he doesn’t even want that money, he said if Davey gives that $100,000 extra to the riders instead of pocket it, then it’s game on Glen Helen would have a national.
So I learned a bit of History here. The birth of SuperMotoX! New people...In my opinion, Supercross is overrated. Tracks are narrow and sometimes 1 line. Outdoors is so Much better! I live in Indiana and have been to Red Bud, Troy Ohio, Steel City,(those 2 are gone) Ironman, and High Point. The races are the best outdoors. To be fair for a true SMX championship they need to even the number races for each stadium and outdoor events. Even throughout the playoffs. Get Glenn Helen back and Kenworthys back, add a few outdoor tracks. Make stadium tracks safer! Establish some Flaggers that know the drill. As a former racer that's just my .02 cents! Love the content Gypsy! Appreciate the news feed
Not really no flaggers and parents running around on the track spraying water with no training. People getting seriously hurt and even dying. There was a kid down on the track a few years ago and it took them 45 minutes to find and get an ambulance to him. Sadly he passed away on the track. Heck the owner of 6D helmets died a few weeks ago at Glen Helen. Mini monsters was a joke and it was poorly run.
@@FoursquareTI agree that the need some flaggers on all tracks the only time i see people watching and helping is when there is coaching sessions. I think I was there when that person died it was at a SRA race he was way back in the ridges I believe unless that wax another time
@@FoursquareTpeople have died at a lot of tracks. Accidents happen and you sign that waver before you get on that track. If you feel unsafe due to the number of flaggers than put your bike up and don't get on the track plain & simple. However, if you decide to ride in which you signed the waver than you cant b**ch about it. Also people aren't exactly lined up to be flaggers even being paid for it
Mx sports/Coombs demands too much to get the deal done. Thousands of free tickets, up front, like thousands of free tickets. They also want to own all merchandise. All of it. Greed, and lack of will to negotiate with Bud, in good faith.
@@unstoppableplayz6948every other track does it. I’m on budds side but to act like he can’t afford it when he has the most popular track in the country
Not impressed with the way this podcast was run...they were invited to tell their side of the story yet from early beginning they got challanged almost unabling them to explain their position. Instead it almost turned into defence mode from the host... It's not great way to convey such interviews... and really I would expect more understanding for the sport from the host as opposed to corporate/where money sits type of approach...
I agree so much. Gypsy will profit from this interview to is what's sad. He talked alot ab money. Gypsy only tried to get BUD to sale his pride. Shame on Gypsy
@@MyNegative Gypsy wants in the circle and doesn't want to get on Mx Sports,Daveys, bad side. It's well known what you can expect... Shunned and black balled. It's been the MO for decades, and how they monopolize the business, and keep people in line.
If I got this right. The Coombs group which was formed went to the AMA to buy a certain product. That product had changed. They had no authorization to buy a different product. So the Coombs family purchased that product to keep professional MX under US control. They develop a contract for the tracks which they have to follow also with their own track. One track wants a better contract. I am sure if they gave that track a better contract every track would demand the same. I understand people are upset when the original plan didn’t work out.
nah you missed the point , easy though with that attempt to protect the big wallet coombs for Gypsys Benefit , no soul for the sport just his bank account .
@@toxsickdog as a spectator GH provided my best memories of a national experience! I know times have changed but they used to let us get so close to the riders, I swear I could’ve touched Carmichael going down the hill! I loved standing on Mt St Helen to see the whole track.
This was pretty lopsided. I heard at this point it really comes down to the promoter taking too much money and not leaving enough for the track and its vendors. Bud and Lori are great people. Our loss as fans. Oh well
What I learned: The AMA got greedy, got in over its head, and sold it off and was NOT going to sell it to the NPG. In a defensive move, to keep it out of the hands of supercross or foreigners, Coombs put something together & sacrificed one of his own tracks to do it. Since then, everyone can live with this, but Bud. Crying over spilled milk is a bad look, and gets nothing done.
Man.....dont know how i feel about this. Seems to me that both sides thinknthey are the 'A' side, and that the other side (the 'B' side) needs to cower down and play ball. Like in boxing. Theres an A fighter and a B fight. The A fighter typically calls the shots, and the B side either agrees or tries to negotiate. With this pile of absolute horseshit, both sides seems like they are the 'A' side. Coombs runs his business, and Budd owns the track. Seems to me that Coombs is thinking 'theyll cave and sign the deal i want, bc they cant do it without us' Seems Budd is thinking something similar 'I own Glen Helen, and iconic trqck, and Coombs will cave bc they dont want a series without our track' Guess what? They re both right. Glen Helen cant do it without Coombs, and the AMA schedule is lame asf without Glen Helen. Seems to me, they need to sit down, have a cup of coffee and hash out a deal. Both sides need to negotiate, bc the sport and the fans are getting shafted. Fix this men. You both look ego driven, greedy and stubborn. We deserve better.
In 2000-2004 privateers were allotted 4 tickets with an all day pit sticker on the ticket for $30 each. Only the top guys got free tickets for family/friends. Should be the other way around
This! It’s not just in motocross. Steve Harvey once said that he never received more free shit in his life until after he could afford it. It’s funny but that’s how it goes
So what I learned here in the comments is that people have/had already decided who they thought was in the right and are using these podcasts to just shout loudly about who they already thought was telling the truth. We’ll never know all the exact details but Bud seems very emotional and very hazy about a number of details… these kind of people tend to just be belligerent and stubborn over things they simply don’t understand (albeit with good intentions). Typical “old school MX types” just have a real problem with anyone who speaks well and/or has money! I’ll say this much, Coombs was articulate, spoke with clarity and stuck to the point and brought up facts… Bud literally just waffled away while barely saying anything at all.
Honestly this made Davey look better, they answered nothing directly, just gave their opinions offered up no facts. Seems like they need to take the equal deal as everyone else in the series and get Glen Helen back on the schedule. He literally said he thought there was a conflict with council, so he asked for some things that were "important to him and the fans". Which is exactly what Davey said it boiled down too, he wasn't willing to take the same deal as everybody else. I just see this as them being salty they weren't included in the purchase, that being said did it look shady absolutely, but let's be honest MX sports was a perfect candidate to manage the series regardless of who purchased it, so to me that just is what it is.
@@Bigdirtbikeguy If you google it Guy did a podcast where he details trying to get a national at Cooperland. He goes into detail how Rita Coombs told him they would never allow that. He eventually gave up and sold the track.
Guy is a friend of ours and it was a terrible story…..I was a GNCC promoter and track owner…..they are so greedy…. Later I hosted my own races….and had just as many riders…I made 3x the amount of money….i also paid out more pro money than the GNCC.
You should try and get the owner of Broome Tioga, he had serious concerns about the financial aspect after the new company took over the outdoor series.
I’m confused as to why would the AMA sell AMA Pro Motocross and that being said why do we have to pay/buy an AMA membership to be race? Or is that only for Gncc or Motocross??
(Short Version Review) I watched his commentary twice. Or I should say I watched their commentary twice. I’d already seen the Davy Coombs‘s interview/podcast so I kind of skip through your rereading of that. But after re-watching the portion that counted twice I don’t know that they actually said anything? They gave no real reason as to why it’s not working. I’m super confused? There were no fax or inside info nothing given. Maybe that’s why they’re not on the schedule? Communication sort of goes nowhere? I absolutely love the track and I’ve ridden the track. Luckily I got to ride there, and I got roosted by Jeff Ward, Jean, Michelle Bale, And rocket rick Staton all in one day. On the Supercross track they’re back in the early 90s both Jeff Emig and Buddy Antz passed me in the air on the same jump lol. That was freaking awesome. Love that place. Please figure out a way to get this track back on the schedule because, the motocross schedule without it isn’t quite complete.
Yeah your not the only one, seems like just about every time I click on one of these gypsy videos it feels like clickbait so I usually avoid them. And this one got me again!
Correct… they said a LOT of words without saying a damned thing. It seems to me that they were simply in WAY over their heads, didn’t get what they wanted and Bud uses language like “didn’t smell right” and acts like they were some ‘little guy’ getting dicked on by ‘big corporate’. They didn’t counter a single thing that Coombs said really. So many people use ‘sticking to their principles’ as a reason to do something when actually they simply don’t understand how business actually works.
Both are great interviews! I always say there is two sides of every story and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Just gotta find it. Very briefly it seems that really both sides are not in the wrong but a lack of communication is really what caused a lot of it and that I think Bud feels it was stolen from underneath of them in regards to the AMA. However I think that Davey was acting in best interests to keep it so that the Promoters still had a chance at it but at the cost of the way things are done for all involved. Yet because they didn't communicate, it caused to feel betrayed when neither side wanted that. Either way great interviews and hope that one day Glen Helen rightfully returns itself as one of the best Pro MX tracks on the Pro Motorcross Championship.
Love Davy and have known that dude for over 30 years. He's undoubtedly a champion of all things dirt bikes! He also learned from his father. Business is business and Coombs is all business so do the math. Thanks for that edgy interview Jace Stern! Impressive!
Glen Helen would be the perfect opening round of motocross. Everyone hates Pala. Lame to be doing this all just because mxsports needs maximum profit all the time. Sometimes it takes money to make money, stop being cheap! If you make the series better, everything else will work out. Quality is better than cheap. Every single fan would prefer GH over Pala but mxsports doesn't seem to respect the fans who drive this whole thing. It's not the oems, at the end of the day it is all driven from the fans. You lose the fans you have nothing
Whole bunch of fluff, but I watched the whole thing. I wish he would’ve talked specifically about the issues that they couldn’t come to agreement on (conflicting sponsors, specific payment, etc). I get that trust was lost but that isn’t a reason to just abandon a relationship. The AMA Pro National series doesn’t NEED Glen Helen to be successful. Would it be cool to have them back on the schedule? Sure! But they need to be willing to work by the same standards as all TEN other facilities. They don’t hold enough leverage to make their own demands. Once Gelen Helen either sells or gets passed down to the next owners, it will likely be a part of the series again.
If the two parties really care about motocross, really care about their fans. They both need to get together and hash this thing out at the same desk. The back-and-forth bantering over social media is doing no one any good.
As a spectator and a racer/rider I don't care too much about any of this. Just work it out and put the races on. If someone is a jerk and outmaneuvered someone to take a race but they did it legally then too bad. If they didn't, sue them. F all politics. Don't even go down the road of this back biting and arguing. Sell the customer a good product and they will buy it. The rest does not matter.
Just like in a divorce, WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CHILDREN (aka fans, racers, manufacturers, the sport in general). Bring in an outside mediator and work it out for the children...
The only thing I got out of the disagreement is that Combs had two competing interests that Bud felt was not being ethical. In other words, as Bud stated Combs was a fiduciary. Meaning: 1 Founded in trust or confidence, 2 depending on public confidence for value or currency. I see Bud's point. However, what Combs did was not illegal. You can see this as cheating on a spouse. Not illegal, but still you see it's wrong.
@@BlackSkyentertainmentI agree it was perceived as unethical by Bud. Only in the operating agreement could anything been done. However, if that was the case they could have taken the situation to court. It's not an ethical violation of any other governing body which means not against the law.
@@ScottDukesRealEstate this is a small clip of a 3 hour conversation. The last hour of the podcast was the best. It comes down to $100,000 worth of ticket sales. And Bud said if Davey would give that to the riders instead of pocket it, game on. So we’re literally $100,000 away from having a Glen Helen national.
I will have to listen to the full podcast but this was pretty uninformative in comparison to the Davey interview. It comes down to business that happens everyday in all different forms. People had the opportunity to have an agreement and do business. Concessions were made but weren’t good enough. They didn’t agree so they walked away as I would have. Pretty cut and dry.
Careful Jase, you might get your media credentials pulled very soon... Wouldn't be surprised if you already got the email.. I live near Davey & racer x & have seen his temper first hand, it's usually taken out on mom & pop local businesses
So Bud thinks the Coombs family took the series for themselves, even though DMG (4:53) won the bid? In retaliation, he makes extra demands (17:39) from the race promoter? Sounds like Bud is in the wrong twice.
I feel like Bud has his wires crossed. Davey's excerpt at the beginning that Jase read was that they couldn't put together a bid for Pro Moto as NPG because the NPG wasn't big enough, so they formed MX Sports pro racing to garner more asset to go after it. And then in the end neither the NPG or MX sports got a hold of it, it went to the France family in Daytona!! Bud seems like a nice guy but seems to have his memory crossed about the events that took place.
It looks like the coombs backdoored the npg after the France family bought the ama to get promotion rights to motocross. Did the npg know the France family was going to do that ? I bet the coombs family knew well before the sale. That if they lost out to France that a deal could be made between them and France cutting the npg out. Like cmon , this is dirty business 101.
@@tulmar4548 yea I can see that side of it too. Just also seems odd MX sports would go through the hassle of creating a business, throwing in a bid, all while knowing they are gonna come out at the other side managing the series. It would make more sense to just move forward with a NPG bid (knowing they would lose) and then come out the other side managing the series. There’s two sides to every story and then the truth. The next step would be to have Bud and Davey in the same room and let the cameras role
To me, it seems like Bud cannot get past it. All the other promoters don’t seem to have a problem with MX Sports. I wish that he could put his ego down and realize that the sport would be a lot better with Glen Helen a part of it.
@@GYPSYTALESJace you def pushed back toward Bud wanting to keep his Pride and not work with coombs family after being done wrong multiple times by them. Comments show I'm not the only one that seen this. You didn't let Bud share his feelings toward the situation without putting your own effort towards agenda of a race. Bud is last of a dying breed. He will take his honest pride to the grave with him. Will you?
What will happen when he just sells it for new housing tracts and industrial facilities and make a ton more money with no more stress/crap, move to the Bahamas and live the golden years? As modernization encroaches noise/dust issues will be the nail in the coffin.
Figuring it is right down the street from a jail I doubt any housing will be made near it. It also has a sheriff driving training course next door. Doubt he could sell it that easily unless the sheriffs department buys it.
So there was a business opportunity. MX Sports took advantage of it. this guy didn't want to play along. he thought he was more important. he lost out and is crying about it and wants to blame the guys who took the risk and built the relationships and made it work. welcome to free market economy. welcome to the reality of how business works
$$$ 😢😢😢 $$$ 😢😢😢 Thats all it is between the two parties Well we're not making as much as you 😢😢😢 well we're not making as much as you Well screw it and screw the fans neither of us care because $$$
Just a bunch of Confusion. It sounds like no one had REAL Control over anything and allot of ASSuming was done. I can say that with the people on the Podcast its why its that way. If you or anyone have ever had anything to do with business with the Track and its Representation! just going to leave it at that!
EVERYBODY!!!!! There is a Short Version (18min 13sec) AND… A Long Version (2hrs 41min). Watch the long version.. the Short Version is a Dis-Service to Bud and Lori. Cmon Gypsy Tales.. that’s not cool.
Bro, this is just a clip from the podcast designed to advertise the full show… if we were doing a disservice we wouldn’t have posted the full show. Jesus dude lol.
