Island Sanctuary would be amazing if they just took what Animal Crossing New Horizons did and put it into FF14. Let us make up an island and all that, and then invite people to it. Let them come into my island and leave comments. Make it a social interaction. Give us items we can trade with one another from island to island. Giving us minor incentives and then step the hell away.
You can technically bring friends to your island. You have to be there, you have to have them as a friend, FC member or in your party, but you can. And it's only 15 people at a time. As someone who designed my island to be a social space I was very upset when I found this out. I wish they had a more public island visiting system and allowed more people into our islands.
I would prefer a giant island open to everybody to work together as a team to make it habitable for the people of garlean so they can start a new life or produce food for them.. I'm afraid the direction this game is taking, I feel like I'm playing a single player game instead of a MMO
@@xpgainz I like Duty Support but it doesn't replace the social aspect of the dungeons and people hanging out. I wish the game had more social reasons to get together.
See i thought island sanc would be cool with a chao garden esque part to it with the minions and let you create diverse minions, and also raise animals properly. Maybe add a Colosseum to fight trained monsters in or something linked to island sanc
i think a lot of people forget the differences of being a content creator vs not. if you are a hardcore players that plays every day streams every day you are definitely going to run out of things to do unless you get creative. ffxiv coomer bait is everywhere like in this video. lol avy i still love you. i noticed a lot say normal content is piss easy and not as engaging but then im always reminded of the groups i get...... no offense to others but tanks not using mits, healers only spamming their base heal and dps constantly getting hit and only doing their 123 is my norm. ill tell you if you ever want a challenge, heal or tank those groups. I've had a roulette run where the healer died every boss fight. i felt bad for them tbh but as a tank its pretty fun trying to keep you and dps alive without healer. idk i think the criticisms are valid but they all come from very biased subjective points of view. maybe im in a minority but ive been loving my time ffxiv. being able to help and teach new players and make friends makes me not care about anything else
I really appreciate your nuanced view on the situation. I just started playing this year. I didn't play many games growing up and this is my first MMO, so the particulars of this issue are lost on me.
For me personally, if I were to quit the game, it would be because of the community. In recent years, more and more trans/gay/weeb players have started playing, and 99.99% of them are total casuals or role-players who don't care to learn. They also get offended so easily, which is really frustrating
I just always feel like people are exaggerating and being to extreme when they say everyone is leaving, I mean it always felt natural to me for people to slowly take breaks in post patch content in every expansion and they all come back and then some next expansion, it's like when people are allowed to play other games, I feel like the people that are shouting that people are leaving are still used to how games like wow played where taking a break or playing other games was discouraged.
I mean you can just look at census data and see that the biggest "leave wave" was around 20% of players who didnt reach endwalker and it happened during the period of new zelda game and ff16 followed up by bg3. At the same time 3% of the "veterans" bracket quit. For an allegedly dying game that everyone is leaving it somehow maintained 75-85% retention rate in a genre where 60% is already a huge success.
@@artjom94 Ye, ppl are nuts. Like I'm currently not playing FFXIV (haven't been for about 3 months) and I'll come back as soon as the next xpac hits. I have been playing like this for ages, since ARR really, I’ll play for 4-5 months straight then stop for another 4-5, then come back and so on. Ppl take breaks from XIV, the game was design to accommodate that.
As ffxiv player for years I never leaving even my friends never leaving except 4 from last year but two returned this month not too bad, maybe on RU-vidr's side she sees her friends left and/or FC more and more made her think that way.
@@artjom94 The retention in 6.3 was completely insane. Far greater than I had expected. Not sure what it's like in 6.4 or what it'll be like by 6.5, but still.
I hear this "the game is dying, players are leaving" topic a lot from just about EVERY MMORPG, and the major reason is simple: The game ends (even though the tagline for MMO's is that the game never ends) if you don't raid, or do end game content, eventually you catch up to the latest expansion, finish it, get bored grinding alt jobs or new classes, and just stop because naturally, you're finished. This is even more amplified in Endwalker, as it is the END of the current story. I feel like a lot of the Solo content was put in to give non-raiders a reason to stay longer, and I'm very grateful for it. If you do raid and do hardcore content, you stick around longer, but eventually you still get bored and stop, or burn yourself out and stop. Player retention 100% is impossible for any game. Once 7.0 comes out, people will flock back in droves for a brief time. FFXIV is not a traditional MMO, it relies heavily on the story, and the story is Solo only content. I feel like it's unfair to class the game as a pure MMORPG and expect that people will stay playing the game indefinitely, because it just doesn't offer that experience. All in all, people leaving for a bit is NOT going to kill the game, or even harm the atmosphere at all, because for all we know, the majority of the players leaving are ex WoW people who jumped on Asmongolds shaft and have an attention span of 13 seconds.
From what I could gleam from my FC, a lot stopped playing outside of capping tomestones and raiding is cause EW felt like an ending to FF14, so a chunk of them decided to unsub and do other things, they said they'll be back for the next expack, so I wouldn't at all be surprised if a lot of people have similar feelings
Yeah, before 6.0 even released my mates in game were all talking about how dead it was going to be over 6.x because tons of people were openly saying they were going to take the chance to stop playing after 6.0 and come back in 2-4 years. Then somehow everyone is surprised when that translates to a lot of people leaving the game now.
I love the void quest too much to unsub. I was disappointed it was limited to the patches but I still loved it. I'm looking forward to dawntrail and have no plans to stop playing.
would you say ff14 is a bit like skyrim where it's open and free roam and i could randomly meet a player on the map at any time that could help you on a mission. from what i was hearing is the super bosses start to appear when your level 60's + but that's many hours in to the game yet.
I don't understand why suddendly all the streamers and youtubers are complaining over nothing after being so mellow during fan fest. Play something else if you feel like you need something new, there is already so many thing to do in the game, sure they could improve here and there, but you all being overly dramatic
For content of course. Take Zepla for example. While some of her complaints are valid a lot of it boils down to she doesn’t have content to stream. However there are genuine issues with replayability of new content
Money. The whole "it's so over" doomer / "we're so back" optimism cycle makes money. When XIV is in a slump, it's more lucrative to post about how dead it is, and when the new FanFest stuff drops, it's more lucrative to shill "HYPE" titles.
In my case it's because Baldur's Gate 3 came out. Cyberpunk DLC is coming out. Might even try Starfield. Once I'm done with those I will be right back to Eorzea. It's just a little break and it helps me not feel burned out.
One of the things I'd noticed making this all worse before I took my break from the game was data center travel. On NA if you wanna do anything other than rp, you go to aether, which just makes the other data centers feel even more empty cause everyone is over there...separated from their free companies and existing communities. They really need to introduce cross data center party finder and duty finder.
They really need to stop giving ANY BONUS. If you do a duty on another data center. Forcing people to be on their own data center for the daily duties. Thus giving life to the other data centers. Specially Dynamis.
Honestly, its just the content draught that ALWAYS happens at the end of the expansion. People said they did not like Bozja or Eureka, so they stopped bothering making that sort of grind. Simple as that.
Absolutely false, Bozja and Eureka were very popular and had lots to do in them amd were very fun. The people that said they didnt like it were popular streamers that shit on the content only thinking Savage and Ult are the only worthwhile content to do. Bozja/Eureka get ran a lot to this day.
the main issue i see is that the vocal people that keep complaining about EW are those that reached a "tipping point" after the ShB delays, longer patches and, let's face it, simply an addiction to the game. They ended up finishing all their checklists after all this time and now "there's nothing to do". I'm not a raider, just casually enjoying the game patch to patch while I work on older content here and there (an Eureka weapon, some Bozja grind, some leveling...) and after almost 2 years of playing I still haven't run out of things to do. Trying to no-life the game is fine, but don't come back complaining that you haven't got anything to do now because of it!
Unfortunately you'll always find those people, and in WoW it was even worse. Hardcore players blast through every bit of new content in about 2 weeks, then complain that there isn't anything left to do.
Hard cope excuse, keep defending a billion dollar corporation. The executives at Squenix love paragraphs like this, it proves they can give us less and less every patch and still charge the same because you people will just defend it until the game is dead.
A lot of us are coming to FFXIV now because we are so sick of WoW. Instead of balancing the classes in WoW they jack them up each patch so you are forced to grind or re-roll if you want to stay competitive in that game. I finally left after 15yrs. I finally uninstalled and deleted all of my Blizzard stuff except for Diablo II. I now really invested and loving FFXIV. Really looking forward to 7.0 too!! Love your content!
Im one of the We, 100%! agree with you. FFXIV is just the best. Its everything that wow could've been if blizzard wasnt as greedy and careless towards its own player base
Umm... since I started last year again the main towns on my server was loaded. Now I'm pretty much the only one at the summoning stone. Get off your knees bc your homerism is showing. The housing is the main problem
Lmaooo you gotta be on the wrong server then, or the wrong data center. I log on and see the aetheryte flooded with people everyday. This game is not dying and statistics have already proven that.@@llamacebu216
Honestly your at the end of end Walker players always drop off and take breaks near the end when dawn trail drops it'll all be booming again I've played on the same server since a realm reborn its literally the same thing every time. The name of the video name grabbed my attention but it's obvious she doesn't really doesn't know what she's talking about lol on top of that this summer dawn trail drops on a whole other console which is going to bring in more players 😆 if the game was dying they would be merging servers till that happens don't worry it's not dying y'all if your world looks empty check your instance
This happens every cycle. I suspect newer data centers are probably emptier than most but there is nothing unusual in the player population besides the usual dip pre expansion
See, I have the opposite opinion with the new optional content. I LIKE that it's completely optional with purely non-mechanical rewards. One of the biggest draws of FFXIV to me is the fact that very little is 'mandatory' and that you can keep up with the game with minimal time investment and explore features at your own pace without falling behind. It makes everything feel less pressured and more easy-going, especially for people with less time to spare, and lets me take breaks when I feel like it without crushing my ability to keep up with new content. I would be MISERABLE if they tied relics to Variant Dungeons, or put End Game gear behind it (both suggestions that I've seen), because then, I'd not be doing it for fun, or even for the thrill; I'd be doing it because I'd feel I have to. I'm not enjoying the content, I'm grinding the content, and that's the fastest way to kill my desire to play. One of the biggest mistakes in WoW's design was how much you had to do to keep up and feel like you were 'keeping pace' with the game. FFXIV has so far managed to dodge that, and I would hate to see that disappear because people pushed for more and more intrinsic, mechanical rewards, and raising the minimum time investment required to keep pace.
I think there’s a difference between leaving a game and taking a break from a game. I’m taking a break: I am playing BG3 a lot, and while it’s capturing my attention more than the FFXIV solo content is, I still consider XIV my “main game” and one I will come back to when a new patch drops. Yoshi-P has also said in the past that taking breaks is a good thing! So like. I don’t see this as an exodus, it’s more like a lull.
@@_Trash_Goblin I was excited for BG3, and then when I tried it, I found it to be unplayable. Way too much visual clutter on the screen that it gives me headaches, where you can move and where you can't move to isn't easily visible, and I had trouble finding my way around the first couple dungeons because of it. I haven't played it since the first couple sessions I spent in it.
@@Dhalin That seems like a personal issue, tbh. Colour blindness, other visual impairments and possible epilepsy aside - the game is exceedingly clear in where you can and cannot go. I'm not gonna try to resell you on it, but I am curious - was this your first experience with games of this style?
@@Dhalin There is literally a hard line on the edges of your map, indicating the edge of that area. Have you played similar games like Dragon Age before?
Island Sanctuary but instead, your FC owns an island, you can still do everything you normally can, but instead of meaningless landmarks and a bunch of the same building, the plots are taken up by other people's houses, with farms and pastures outside, a getaway just for you and your friends, where you can do small casual group activities and minigames.
@@sherrih.4053 I have built my first landmark (I built the treehouse) and haven't been back since. That was last January ... My sheep must be starving.
As someone who's played 14 for 9 years now... Endwalker felt like the end of the game. I just can NOT get past that feeling. I want to play but I feel like its done
Because in a way it's over. That STORY ARC is over now comes a NEW story and its foundations need to be built and this MUST be slow or it won't be done well. All these patch contents are practically experiments to see what will really be done in the next saga, but the average gamer, like a drug addict in crisis, cannot analyze this and wait. Most already think: -Ah, they gave their all and now they have nothing left... NO! It's like a new ARR, most people hate it, but without it the other expansions would NEVER be what they were.
@Smoked_Snake remind me to come back to this comment if the void fiends actually do lead into Dawntrail in any meaningful way and isn't a glorified trial series
I came over to FF14 with the rest of the wow refugees.. I can understand endwalker feeling like the end to original FF players.. just like Shadowlands was the End for WoW players. both MMOS ending their major arcs around the same time... But Whilst endwalker was an ending for you guys. Dawntrail feels very much like it will be the beginning for any WoW Refugees that stayed. and im sure lots of other people! I'm looking forward to seeing the new ARC from the start as you guys did :) and hopefully look upon it fondly in 10 years time when we reach the end of this new adventure :D
@zxcvbnmasdfghjkl3377 I doubt they'll lead into DT, but I expect it to lead into a future expansion. Every expansion besides HW has been pulling in open threads that had been left open for multiple years, and imo that's a lot of what made them feel so good. But we're low on threads now. We need more stories that end without being wrapped up in a neat little bow and directly leading into the next story, or we won't have enough meaningful background to build future expansions off of. I think it's inevitably going to create a slow point for the story over the next couple of years, but it's very good for the health of the lore overall.
@@Triscraft WoWs storry ended at Legion when we defeated Sargeras who was already affecting Medive to open the dark Portal and let the orcs in at Warcraft 1. everything after is just a filler episode.
I just reached Stormblood..i really don't care about the future lol,I'm enjoying the game now..and i don't mind getting easy stuff because most of it is a grind anyway.
Why wouldn't I run Variant or Criterions continuously after clearing them out? They give good tomes and tomes give relics. I don't have to do my full roulette set if I don't want to. I can't stand deep dungeons for the most part, so I don't want to work on those. I don't know, I really don't see the complaints. Not having a big group content thing to do like Eureka/Bozja is fine for an expansion. We don't need to have all the things, all of the time. Stepping away from the game in the downtime between expansions is healthy and intended by the FF devs.
Good tomes? They give 40 uncapped ones 15 capped. You need to run a variant dungeon 37 times for a single step each class has currently 3 steps. So to "finish" one, single class, you have to run it over 100times. An expert roulette gives 140 in comparison. Even for the capped version you need to run 30 a week to max out, while only 5 expert roulettes.
@@hansjurgen4567 All true, but when the roulettes are done for the day and there aren't any hunt trains running, it's still good tomes. Besides, I've made some good gil selling the minions on top of everything else. LOL
@@Nenacu Fair! Its decent enough once you have done roulettes and your primary focus of doing Varient are not tomes, but other reason. I think just lazily capping your tomes each week with experts will already give you enough to get a decent collection of relics soon. I never felt a need (or reason) to actually farm them. On that note, i think extremes bring comically little.
From hearing all these opinions and points(many fair and reasonable points) for weeks about Endwalker, but I just don't feel majority people fully understand what it is like to play a video game, let alone a MMORPG. compared to how it was in the early 2000s The idea of these games are to mostly "Have Fun" and 'Escape from reality' into a Fantasy that may not be so Final. One thing i want to bring up is that mistakes will happen as they are testing/trying new things to see what people mostly enjoy. The Devs do care and want to make sure everyone is just enjoying themselves. But if players do enjoy the big grinds and such, i am sure there is still much more to grind for. Not all want to be part of huge scale instance content like Eureka and Bozja. so they are adding things that small-scale people can enjoy and always come back to to fill in that gap without that pressure. Heck, we have New Game + to go experience that story again as much as we want to. Those who do want more large Scale multiplayer aspects, its best to just enjoy Eureka and Bozja until a new one appears. The Devs usually hear those that complain the most and it usually turned the tides of what type of content we got and changed how things were connected. Worse that the pandemic and the team working on FF16 affected a good majority of that creative thinking and caused so much stress for everyone involved, including the Devs. Another thing about how things have been dried up or boring, that i fully understand since we all have our own individual standards. We can always play another game for that standard alone of course. But Games are made for the sake of the experience, not always about the gains/rewards. I feel like that is all we see in MMOs or games in general nowadays. I dare not claim that all expectations are very high but many have caused people to get upset, disappointed and jaded further down the road of this MMO. Talking about 'why people are leaving FFXIV' won't really fully help the problem nor needs to be even said. Most Toxic-Overthinking People will usually get the wrong idea about the game itself dying, being a "big fail", or the 'Devs never cared'. That type of talk will spread to gullible others and they, in turn, will think the game is falling under hard. It is never easy managing a big MMO, nor is it ever easy pleasing everyone. I decided to finally speak about this situation because of how slightly overblown its getting. so lastly, I'll say this: Endwalker is just adding to the game, its not suppose to Overcome or "Do Better" than the last expansion nor do i think Dawntrail should follow that standard either. Games are made for fun and people would replay much older and dated games for much less back then. Sadly, majority of people just want more of This and That in a *perfect* balance. Time has truly changed a lot of us or I am stuck in the past. (I understand that you pay a monthly sub for more but the rules should/could apply when playing any type of game) Thank you so much for taking your time reading all of this. I'm deeply sorry if this possibly offends anyone.
Wholeheartedly agreed, especially with the sentiment that this is very overblown. I've been playing FF14 for 9 years. People come and go while waiting for the next expansion; this is nothing new. The only difference is the types of content offered this time around. I do think this was an unfortunate time to try so many new kinds of content, but I can't fault them for trying!
@@cookingrabbitty Thank you very much! I would of added more to what i said but I didn't want to overdo the whole thing. too much to read may throw others off.
"We love grinding" ... uh, under _certain conditions_ I suppose? The grind must be designed well. The thing that you are DOING during the grinding needs to be fun and engaging. The grind can't have HUGE gaps between rewards or steps of rewards, and the grind shouldn't demand and devour all of your time, and ideally there should be a variety of what you do during the grinding. This is why Tomestone grinding is perfect. Once per day, 3-5 days per week, you log on and do whatever roulettes you wish to get your 450/wk. If you do Expert and nothing else, it's 5 days. If you do the whole assortment of roulettes, you can snip it down to about 2.5 days. If you don't like a certain type of roulette, you can skip it but that means more days per week. Also, Alliance Raid content. Once per week, you log on and do your Alliance Raids to get the upgrade tokens and/or any gear drops you are interested in. You'll come back next week and do it again. Examples of grinds that I hate: Eureka. Killing stuff over and over and over again for progress you lose if you die, forced grouping without auto-matchmaking, and weather conditions for some mobs' spawning which could potentially have you waiting *HOURS* for the conditions to be right for something to spawn is just not fun. Falling asleep as your group around you murders 500 mobs trying to get a FATE to pop, only so you can get some thingies and some XP that you will lose if you die isn't fun IMO. Another example of content I hate? Trying to get the sightseeing log done. "Oh, this sightseeing spot requires you to go here, and do some emote you don't know what it is, at a certain weather that might pop for 5 minutes out of every RL day" ... uh, no, hard pass on that. Sitting in some area twiddling my thumbs isn't fun. I will agree with you, though, that Variant dungeons for relics would have been _awesome._ Just think about it, they could stick pieces of the weapon in each of the branching paths. Wanna get the grip of a sword? You need to arrive at Exit A. Need the blade? go to Exit B. need the crossguard? That piece is in Exit C. Then you upgrade the weapon, and then they ask you to get magic spheres or something from the several midbosses throughout the middle of the dungeon which makes you go through the dungeons all over again (with the requirement you also finish the dungeon). Would have been awesome, I agree with you there.
And also, Island Sanctuary? You can tell when they implemented that, they were afraid of giving you any sort of tangible reward, and they put too much emphasis on automation. You should be able to go in and get your hands dirty for something to _do_ but progress is so darn slow, that automation is the ONLY way to reasonably progress. You basically turn it into another Retainer thing where you check it once a day and that's it, once you get the automation set up. I loved the first couple hours in IS, and then once it slowed down to a crawl and it was clear that the automation was the only way to progress I instantly lost interest in it, despite how hyped I was for such content. Also, customization options are sorely lacking. You'd think they would have learned from Blizzard's mistake with Garrisons some years ago but apparently not. What we needed was some customizable player housing, an island to relax on and also decorate and such to our hearts' content, and what we got was this thing where you got like 50 different options and that's it. A few buildings you can choose from some predetermined locations, and a few different customization options for each building.
I just hope new players like myself keep trickling in. I'm a diehard Final Fantasy fan, who put off FFXIV for being an mmo; never played any mmo before. I finally tried FFXIV last year and I love it. For a new player who has fallen in love with this world, there is so much to do. And with the new expansion coming out, I don't see myself going anywhere anytime soon.
Started last week there is so much to do, ill be playing this for a loooong time it’s been great plus the community is amazing never smiled at my screen due to interactions with other players in any other game as much as i have playing this. These complaints really feel like theyre coming from people who’ve burnt themselves out and/or entitled to an endless stream of story/new content.
@@Phoenix-cc7xb yeah i do. I dont play many online games these days, and the ones i used to play were pretty toxic (mostly played fps games) so playing this and having people wave back at me, jump with me as i run by them and sneak up behind me while i take a moment to listen to another player playing music only to be chased in circles for 5 mins has been refreshing and has made me smile at my screen and feel something no other game ive played has yet. To be fair im only a week or so into the game and i play for a little over an hour sometimes two a day, most of the interactions ive had were in or around limsa. But i have noticed people on one of the boarder gates crafting and i stopped to wave at them only to have them stop what they were doing to wave back, so i dont think we are extinct just one of those things where you get out what you put in, and if you look for it you’ll find it. Might be worth checking out the goblin server, my guys name is Donnie Oculus and im still questing around limsa, if ya do and ya see me give me a wave 😁
@@nygomi8652I've never played an MMO before, so a good friend of mine tried to get me into XIV for a year straight. I just couldn't work up an interest, I played 10 hours max. After I beat XVI back in late June/early July I was really itching for more FF (diehard FF fan). So I decided to give XIV another go... 2 and 1/2 months later I'm 600 hours in, just beat EW, already have a relic, and started learning how to tank! I'm going nowhere anytime soon... (I have a problem pls help) P.S. that last parts a lie, FF7 Rebirth will get a good month or two out of me, then its time for 7.0 :D
*comes back to FFXIV after a small hiatus all happy and excited to enjoy my favorite mmo* *gets bombarded with videos saying people hated the expansion and players are leaving the game* I hate it here.
Trying to explain why players 'leave' FFXIV is like trying to explain why we have recessions so regularly. It's a feature, not a bug. Yoshi has stated many times that it's okay to return with patches and expansion launches, then go play other games. The 'upside' of content like Eureka and Bozja is that is keeps players engaged when they wish to. The massive downside, ESPECIALLY during the Eureka Pagos days, is that it burns players out big time. I think it's fine that people go for other games. The login queues will be absolutely bonkers when Dawntrail releases, that's just a given. My biggest gripe with the game is that much needed features are _still_ not in, like a tackle box for fish lure and bait, a glamour catalogue to coordinate glamour without having to own it or travel to every bloody NPC selling stuff - players can target said pieces after and, wait for it... ENGAGE IN CONTENT! My biggest criticism with the game is that is has completely nuked not just my main job, but my job FANTASY. TWICE in a row. FINAL Fantasy is very tongue-in-cheek for me now for that reason.
Now, I have my sympathies over these points, however, I feel like the one thing people haven't mentioned or considered is that in the wake of the recession and inflation, there's an unspoken number of folks who have unsubbed for financial reasons. A few friends of mine had to drop because of the inflation and financial things, and tho they aren't a majority, they are more or less have to put things on a budget. yes, their final motivation for the indefinite hiatus may have been the pointers you mentioned, but more or less, the financial side of things have made it harder to keep themselves subbed even if they wanted to keep their sub or not. But I know this factor does not make for the majority of folks dropping, but it is something to note.
I understand that the years of ShB being best for XIV overall in comparison to EW could be a factor...yet I honestly think it's much more about the game content and philosophy behind it. The main big thing everyone can agree on and every single video take I've seen mention it, it's how everyone feels lonely in EW! The only time when I'm playing that I feel like I'm in a MMO full of people is when doing hunts, which is not new content at all. Imagine if Island Sanctuary was instead a huge group instance that you could catch animals and gather together instead of a whole empty island for yourself. Not having a relic journey or a field like bozja just makes this even more obvious. And then we start to notice other issues that were always there, but are much more visible now. I wish they'd take a few steps back from trying to make the game too soloable and start treating it like an MMO again. I remember several interviews these last years of YoshiP being worried that single-player FF fans were scared to try XIV, but I think they've gone too far with those concerns and now the MMO playerbase feels neglected. Also, I'm happy to see more and more content creators talk about their respectful criticism towards EW! That's the best way to make the game even better. It always feels like everyone is SO SCARED of talking badly about the game, but I think it's important to undestand that being critical of the game now doesn't mean hating on it. Thanks for sharing your take
I enjoy the quiet of Island Sanctuary, and originally designed my hideaway to be a social space so that I could have friends over and have parties there. I treated it like another home instance. ...Until I realized I could only invite 15 people over. Now I have this stage, plenty of seating, plenty of room, and sure, if I'm only inviting FRIENDS, i'm not gonna get over 15 people, but god, I wish Islands were more publicly accessible so people could visit you! See what you've built! So you could see what OTHER people could build! Set up a system for if someone sets their island to a public setting so people can visit it from the ferryman! Then again, if they did that, it'd show that SE can do this with houses and just haven't.... ._.
Yeah if Yoshi-P wants a solo game he should stick to games like FFXVI. People play MMOs to play together. People who just want to solo all content are likely in the minority because those players would be playing any AAA RPG on the market which would blow FFXIV out of the water and be cheaper to boot.
This is all done with applause from the clowns who started playing in ShB or later. Almost nobody from the old guard plays anymore because the game, gameplay wise, is in abysmal state.
Gamers, and especially content creators, really need to be careful of how they use "grinding". Developers hear this and think you mean "I want to spend a long time doing X for Y". When in reality what is meant is "I want to feel like I genuinely earned Y after doing the appropriate challenge X". I bring this up because of a game called Destiny 2. When it first launched, everyone complained how they had nothing to "grind" for. Well Bungie listened and turned the entire game into a plantati*cough* grind fest. I don't want that in FFXIV or any game. Not saying you do, but be clear of what you want for it can easily be taken this way. But yeah overall good video.
it got hyped up by youtubers and fell off a cliff, i sincerely doubt dawntrail will make a difference. ff doesn't work as well seasonally as other games because the expansions are built upon crap. janky physics and combat, boring class design, linear dungeon/raids. i had fun with the social experience for a bit, but i really do not care about my character's gear or main class otherwise.
Sure would be nice being a solo player and taking one of those Yoshi-P recommended breaks. But I have a house on demolition watch, an FC house on demolition watch and a community that I play with that I can't just up and leave for a longer break.
A couple of things here. First, I agree about the Variant/Criterion dungeons. I feel like the one thing they need to do here is simply provide a better, more incentivized reward structure to make it more enticing for replay ability. I do not think that the devs “didn’t think about” Variant/Criterion dungeons. I honestly think they did. Likely, they were weighing a lot here: they didn’t want hear rewards that disrupted the current iLvl gear treadmill, they didn’t want the same type of rewards from the Series PvP Malmstones, and they also are treading new waters and wanted to get a glimpse of the reception the core content received. I don’t think it was handled the best, but I also don’t think they “didn’t consider” it properly. Next, I see a lot of people complaining about how there is no Bozja/Eureka/Zadnor in the 6.X cycle. First, back in ShB, people complained about no deep dungeon content. Next, I have issues with all 3 explorable zones (e.g., it was too in-depth with its various skills/abilities to gain, Eureka was too tied to the relic weapon, Bozja/Zadnor had the savage alliance raid, which I wanted to do but could never get into a group who does it, etc.). I see a lot of out of context posting about this subject, where they forget/did not know how much people complained for both explorable content areas (e.g., the Eureka area was too tied to relic weapons, Bozja/Zadnor wasn’t tied enough to relic weapons, Bozja/Zadnor had dull scenery, Bozja/Zadnor has 0 content life with EW release [which it does based on the updates], etc.). I have trouble accepting this “criticism” because it seems to not consider any historical context. Next, the relic grind not being a grind. This is actually not accurate. People forget (again) the entire EW relic grind was locked behind all of Hildibrand. Just to start the quest, you needed to go through all that quest content back to ARR. For some people, this was a lot because they did not enjoy that story content. Essentially, you’re doing a lot of up front grinding with this one. So yes, yes there is grinding here; I realize some people were already caught up, but not everyone who wanted to get their relics were. Finally, a BIG thing many creators are not talking about is the release of so many other good games that is honestly pulling player retention. Remember, FFXIV was NEVER intended to be a game that pulls all your attention like WoW. I know many WoW players are abused because of this, but FFXIV is not built this way. With the encouragement to take breaks (as is common in the post-expansion content cycle), we have to remember some fairly big and popular titles dropped this year: Tears of the Kingdom, Hogwarts Legacy, FFXVI, Baldur’s gate 3, Armored Core 6, Starfield, etc. yes, many people play MMOs for the social/group aspect, but many of us are also just gamers: we’ll play the games we want to when they release. There is a lot of active game content to indulge in and it has drawn a lot of people away from FFXIV. Many WoW refugees realized the benefit of trying other games so even they don’t fit that model they used to (and to suggest many people are going back to WoW now because of the silence is inaccurate; Blizzard has failed over and over past their harassment issues). I know I have taken breaks from FFXIV to try other titles in the last 9 months. And, with the relief from the pandemic, I find I have even less time for games in general. This is something not discussed often enough. Say what you will about the EW post-expansion cycle: like it, hate it, be indifferent, whatever. I like it, I have PLENTY to do with my group of friends, there is no lack of content in this area. I applaud FFXIV for trying new functions like Variant/Criterion/Island Sanctuary. People were wildly complaining about not getting ANYTHING new back in ShB. Now that they tried something, the devs are getting harangued for not doing it to everyone’s specifications. The devs are now and always in a damned if you do/damned if you don’t situation. Not all of their content jives with me, but that’s fine. I appreciate how FFXIV is trying to be for everyone and not for a 3-tier group like WoW (raiders, PVPers, and Mythic+).
Watching Hildibrand counts as *The* grind? What? Also last ShB relic made Stormblood alliance raids the prerequisite requirement to start the relic. So yeah, not really getting the point there. At least that was More Fun of a grind, even if you count it that, than watching some boring side quest. I personally did feel the drought during all of ShB but I still had hours of fun doing 48 man raids and stuff but Endwalker just couldn’t do innovative compared to fun like that. I personally think that’s not okay when paying $12+ a month.
@@eimpty Comparing the ShB relic to EW in this capacity is weird. I already said it, EW relics demand a lot of up front grind. To do everything you need to entails a lot of quests, raids, and many, many hours of cutscenes. Yes, you can skip those, but the same is true for SB; comparing the two, even if you want to argue that you can just skip the cutscenes, EW still have many hours of pre-requisites to get through before you can even start the relics in EW, SB is much more condensed by comparison. And no, I never said grind as though that's it, it's just a major portion of it. The common complaint back when they announced the Hildibrand prerequisite was that the amount of a time sink to get caught up, especially when you didn't like the story, was a huge ask for many people. Next, $12 a month is worth it when you consider all the content being released on a regular schedule and the variety of content they release. Lest we forget, by comparison, WoW went nearly 3/4s to a full year without meaningful content updates during Shadowlands. What you personally describe is just anecdotal. I acutely remember everyone complaining that Bozja/Zadnor was a dumbed down version of Eureka in terms of the functionality of skills, progression, and necessity for other game features (e.g., the relic) and that its relic progression would kill it as content (which it never did). You liked that ShB content, okay fine, but the consensus at the time of that content cycle was very similar to what we see now with EW. People complained the ShB relic was hardly grindy at all (citing the same exact arguments we see today): it's supposed to be rewarding to get your relic after all the effort (even though with Eureka it was worse and has been proven statistically to be the least sought after relic to-date), we need more grinds to keep us invested (even though everyone and their mother agrees the game should not go the WoW route and force you to play every day), the relic does not promote enough group/interactive elements with other players [even though nearly all of the major milestones required group content, and it's all neatly wrapped up in a bow by the logic people constantly bring up: the relic is just optional side-content, and at the end of the day they are just shiny glam since it's only BiS until the next expansion. I have literally gotten $12 a month worth of content out of my subscription for the past 7 years. I haven't done nearly everything the game has to offer, and I am still working towards completion on many avenues of the game I don't have time to focus on when a main-expansion drop happens.
Look Baldur’s Gate 3 is really good okay? Joking aside, I will happily hop on every patch and as an FF4 fan I am very biased to like the post patch MSQ. Mixed bag of how I’d describe it.
I really appreciate this video. I've been seeing a lot of 'FFXIV endwalker is the worst expansion' and its been making me really sad because it's my favorite by far. At the same time I don't want to excuse the game from criticism, I am not going to stomp on it. I'm happy to watch a video that takes both sides into account and validly talks about both sides without click baiting the title.
Someone titling a video something you disagree with doesn't make it clickbait. A lot of people agreed with Zepla, and most of the points are completely valid and inarguable. Saying "oh well i like it" isn't a valid counter argument. You can like the expac and you don't have to agree, then just be quiet and enjoy the game, stop trying to squash the criticisms of people who have played for years and years longer than you
imo, the best part of the Endwalker is it completes the decade prologue of FFXIV. There is 10 years emotion in it, which makes it more enjoyable if you play from 2.0, even 1.0. For the best plot expansion I go with Avy for 3.0 and 5.0. 6.0’s plot and after main expansion content still not the best one if excluded the emotion part.
@@yeetusdeleetus4697While I understand what you’re saying here, I find it odd you would say some points are inarguable since it’s all subjective opinions. Otherwise everything else in your comment seems reasonable, minus the keep quiet part which is just rude and brings nothing good to the discussion.
@@yeetusdeleetus4697imo squashing positively is just as bad as squashing criticism. Telling people to "just be quiet" because they don't share your opinion is toxic and stifling discussion, regardless of whether you love or hate the game right now.
Really loved your thoughts on this!! I'm a just a sprout, but I'm a huge fan of this game and the community. I wish SE really invested in more QoL things, like you said, and invested more into the real "multiplayer ROLE-PLAYING" of it all. I love the RP scene, spicy or mild, and I wish there was more attention payed to that aspect of the game by the devs.
As someone who has not played for a few months to take a break, I sadly and respectfully have to disagree. We haven't gotten the content innovation that we expected, adding to that, we haven't seen more unique aspects with fights and jobs have all been overly homogeneous and allows for almost 0 form of skill expression, I understand that on paper the changes may seem good, but overall it's not healthy for a game to be actively removing mechanics and systems and replacing them with easier 1 man army/ jack of all trades variants that can do everything, I definitely don't hate FFXIV as I've played 8000+ hours for 3+ years, but enough is enough
@@Sev3nn20 I'm sorry you feel that way. It's hard to no longer enjoy something you used to love. For me though I couldn't be more excited about the direction of the game. It feels like they have really fine tuned their process and everything is just getting better and better.
agree 100% on all of your points I would add: Rich Campbell's sexual misconduct and subsequent firing from OTK, I believe was a huge problem for the community. It may seem strange to talk about one particular player having such an impact, but I really do think he was a major reason Asmon never streamed the game again (besides Asmon's family situation when his mom passed and he took an extended break, and only came back for a day to get the Regalia mount). I do think you hit the nail on the head though: Blizzard's own sexual misconduct and ridiculous follow-up campaign caused this huge swarm of players to play 14. I wouldn't be surprised if that caused the devs to become overconfident, especially since the pandemic really put a stop to a lot of game development between 2021 and 2022, and then when Yoshi-P (and so many of his own 14 devs) took over 16, a lot of the drive for the devs to really listen to the community dried up, not so much because they didn't want to but perhaps were humanly incapable of focusing on two enormously large games at the same time. Other big streamers also left, and some of the biggest streamers actually became variety streamers (Zepla is a good example) due to not really having much to do in the game. I myself stopped playing (although I still have an active sub), but almost everyone in my FC basically ghosted the game after finishing EW content, and my FC was historically one of the oldest and largest FCs in the game. I'm continually surprised they didn't implement an actual zone for grinding relics. After Eureka, and then Bozja, I fully expected another zone given how popular both of those were and continue to be. I hadn't finished Shadowbringers when Bozja became available and I always wished I could have played that when it was popular, so not having a zone to grind out mindlessly in EW was a big reason why I never logged in that much.
I dont think people are leaving leaving. It's the end of the expansion, people are waiting for new content. Happens all the time. I think the only thing different is the economy. People just can't afford to play right now
I wouldn't say players are leaving FFXIV, they're just taking a break. The thing about FFXIV is that they don't use anchoring tactics like FOMO to obligate the players to keep playing like WoW. FFXIV has limited time events, of course, but none of them obligate you to keep playing the game. WoW in the other hand tends to put substantial content behind limited time events.
I recently did a playthrough of Shadowlands on one of my characters. Honest opinion? When it's not tied directly to player progression, it's not that bad. Even Torghast is bearable when you don't *have* to grind Soul Ash. It's kind of a neat expansion if you just want to experience the world a bit (the concepts for each of the four zones are pretty cool), and just want to pick up some transmog from one of the Covenants. I haven't done WoD, though. Should I be scared? Or is the base building going to be another one of those where it's not actually bad if you're not forced to do it?
I wish people would stop saying Asmongold caused WoW players to move to FF14. It’s the reverse, if anything. He was one of the last big WoW personalities to come over, and the movement was already heavily underway before he caved and joined it.
Echo chamber effect, for real. When enough people say something, everyone starts believing it. More people believe it, more people spread it, and so it goes.
(Warning: some spoilers) I feel a bit disappointed in 14 right now tbh. Dawntrail is basically starting without any defined overarching evil, which is fine, but meanwhile they handled the 13th with content patches. I was really excited when 6.1 revealed that the next arc would concern the void, I figured 6.2-6.5 would be setting up for the next expansion to be an adventure in the 13th like Shadowbringer was an adventure in the 1st. The 13th had so much history and so much potential for a unique adventure and an engaging storyline and they just kind of treated it like a side thing. We didnt even fix it or anything, we basically just left Zero to deal with it and sealed the portal so we cant even go back. I feel so let down by how the 13th was wrapped up that I cant even get hyped for Dawntrail like I did for ShB and EW.
Don't worry about the Void not being prominent in an actual expansion. If you think about the 6.1-6.5 quest being setup for a future thing similar to the Warrior of Darkness storyline in Heavensward, it points to us returning to help Zero out eventually, whenever a threat that needa us to be there again pops up. When the Warrior of Darkness stuff was first going on it kinda felt like random filler too, and it wasn't elaborated on until 2 expansions after. As for a big bad, I'm not sure, but I get the feeling they'll aim for some sort of inter-Shard war of some sort. Considering the one thread connecting post Endwalker with Dawntrail is Yshtola's want to travel the shards, it would make a lot of sense for the next big threat to make use of that same method somehow.
I've never liked Asmongold. But, that's me. He bugs me. He seems like a know it all. King of B........t to me. lol Oh, Hi AvyCatte. =) I love my Viera too much to leave, there's plenty things to do in FFXIV. I could "NEVER GO BACK TO WOW". I love the social atmosphere. We love you too AvyCatte!! =D
For me, I've been taking a hiatus from the game primarily because of Baldur's Gate 3. But SO MANY good games have come out this year, there's a lot of things competing for your time. I for one plan to come back with 6.5, as it will have the new alliance raid with a new glamour set to collect!
ooo good point. There's been a veritable tidal wave of cool games this year- and February is gunna be a lil goofy as i think that will be patch 6.5 part two...but this is also around the time FF7 rebirth is releasing. Such a good time to be a gamer :D
Same, I love FFXIV but Baldurs Gate 3 has been THE game I've been wanting to play ever since the trailer dropped years ago. It's okay to play another game, I find all those youtuber apologizing for their lack of FFXIV content kind of silly xD it's only human to want to play the new shiny game
I still don't understand why people are actively asking for grindy content to keep them playing, but I am gonna be here when they add something like that and people start complaning there's too much mindless grinding. It's like people forgot what Relic grinds actually were. You didn't run Bozja for your memories. You'd do FATEs in Heavensward areas, The Antitower and Hell's Lid. Over.. and over.. and over. You'd run Bozja for those horrible one time grinds, forcing you to run around that zone for 6 hours waiting for Criticals or Delubrum to spawn, doing the same ones again and again. Bozja wasn't exactly as universally well recieved as people seem to remember. Now I get to play pretty much anything and still progress my Relic, and this is a bad thing? Hell, I can actually run Variant to progress my Relic, it's a fairly good Tomestone farm that you can solo. It's like everyone collectively has some sort of memory lapse. I distinctly remember when the WoW exodus was in full swing the main selling points people kept touting about the game were NO GRINDS and EVERYTHING IS OPTIONAL. "Just do what you want to do!". Fast forward 1,5 years and now this is suddenly killing the game. Perhaps these players should give WoW a shot, it sounds like they just don't like what FFXIV provides and might really like that game.
variant dungeon + island sanctuary was probably the biggest reason why we have no relic grind in this expansion (getting rid of one to focus on two). but sadly those two are just not an mmo content. im 100% sure it's coming back in dawntrail tho
The sad thing is, like she said in the video, they could have just tied the relic weapon grind to running varient/criterion dungeons (and I'd personally say the deep dungeon too) and they would have fixed the lack of grind and lack of regard criticisms at the same time.
Its almost the end of the addon. It's normal. A lot of world of warcraft refugees that joined endwalker shortly before the release left. The addon is good, content is good, its fine. People always tend to overreact over stuff like saying "ALL people leave ff14" .. Yeah thats why every city is crowded so much that i cant see new npc's with quests. People dont know what a "bad expansion" in FF14 really is. They should have played Battle for Azeroth back then... THIS was horrible and MoP or Dragonflight isnt good either. But every single FF14 extension is fine so far.
I left because i spent years watching the ascian/zodiarc/garlemald build up just to get nothing other than a extreme of zodiarc, garlemald was off screened AGAIN and the ascians were pushed off to the side to... and wait *finger guns* aliens. But the whole dragons thing was cool. So i am just not willing to get re-involved when they treat their own story like this.
I rather appreciate the ability to solo content because, some days, my social anxiety makes it so hard to interact with my own fc mates. Also, I log in at a time of day where most people aren't even online so trying to queue with anyone? The queue ends up being 30 minutes or sometimes up to hours...it's deflating not being to enjoy content when no one either wants to do it, you wait an annoying amount of time in queue, lose out on gear drops to need/greed, or the most annoying is akin to what happened with a very specific msq where people peer pressure you to skip cutscenes. I still do queued content but it breaks, BREAKS, my heart hearing someone apologize for not having skipped the cutscene. Sure, solo run isn't for everyone, and I don't do it often, but for first-time clears? It's fantastic. I can enjoy the dungeon at my pace, have the joy of fighting alongside my favorite npcs, and not feel bad or guilty when I mess up a mechanic. Because, wow, I don't know this fight and never done it before and the people I queued with somehow expect me to have better gear and know what I'm doing. Sorry for long rant, but I do like playing ffxiv as if it's a solo mmo experience. I can enjoy the story without stress and be able to nab my favorite friends if I need help clearing something. I also wish they'd let us run older raids with npcs, because no one ever wants to run that stuff with me. Newer? Nah, keep it to groups but the older ones? Cmon. 😢
"Lonely." That's the word you used to describe some of Endwalker's content, and the word I use to describe the problem with this expansion overall. Endwalker's design has been completely asocial. I'm not opposed to the developers tossing a bone to the players who prefer to approach it as a singleplayer RPG, but along the way, they seem to have forgotten that FFXIV is an MMO.
lmao when it came out "its such a good expansion..." ...those same people "what a terrible expansion" almost like the newness wore off and they didnt actually like the game or something...I like FF14 but WoW is way more my style as is ESO.
I been giving EW a bit of a pass for lacking in things to do. Most of it development happened during lock down. Im sure the devs had a lot more they wanted to do, but just didnt have the time to make it as they were figuring out how to make the expansion from home. I think dawntrail will be what we all love since they were able to everything like pre lock down.
For free? The relics aren't free. You still need to grind the tomes. Yes there needed to be more but they are hardly free. Also, MORE solo friendly content please yes. I want to earn my own god damn power before helping and having fun with friends. I get why some people wanted more in the post endwalker patches maybe an extra trial and dungeon as optional content not actually in the msq. That would be great. What I find to be the case with anyone I know who played and had taken a break or stopped for now is just it feels like a lull after the story and this set of raids hasn't grabbed me storywise. Also theres a factor of burn out in longer term players but this always happens. Also its good that we didn't get another sectioned off, seperate leveling system area. I have hated both of them. Sure if you want to add it for players that like that fine, but actually make it a fun system, not so tedious and annoying as Bozja and Eureka was. AND certainly not tie the relics to it again. I hate that. Means I can't do my relics without putting up with that BS.
"Man, I'm sure glad I left that previous game that was like a second work behind me. Now if only this new game I'm playing will become just like a second work to me."
"Eureka and Bozja is such a good group content! By the way, anybody wants to join my PF to do group content? Please! I need my CLL and Delubrum clear! Please I beg you!"
grinding for relics is a thing i wont do. sorry. the relic system grind before endwalker i will not touch. played wow for 15 years. the grind is dead to me. i dont want a job in a game. grinding isnt fun, and if it isnt fun i dont do it :Dcame in later lol the reason for solo play, yoshi said in a live letter, he said he was going away from the mmorpg thing.
you can make fun of someone all you want. i been playing mmos for over 15 years. excuse me if i dont like the old system of relic grinding and you feel entitled cause you do. and casual? i spend more then 9 to 11 hours a day in ff14. nice try. next. [and an actual gamer response not a pretend hardcore.]@@anteprs7908
That's why ffxiv needs players who are like those who stayed from 1.0 through 2.0. Not bandwagonners like this one. They didn't even know what its like to wait through heavensward. Lols
As a disabled person, I am thankful for some of the solo content. But when I am well I have done ultimates and savage fights. I love this game, and you bring up many valid reasons why people are leaving. However I think it's not at risk of becoming a dead game, at least not yet.
the game became incredibly boring. theyre also dumbing down the game to be R**ard proof too. i got free 30 days from WOW from an email, and i forgot the game was fun to play, especially the pvp
Think they went with easier relic quest this time because some people complained about places like Eureka and Bozja grinds. Some players not being able to get to the next phase of Bozja stuff because after some others finished the CLL or Dalriada, or the instance dungeon/raid (forgot what it was called) to unlock Zadnor. It was difficult for others to do it. Still is. So some players were being cut out of getting their relic weapons. Sure Bozja stuff has picked up, a bit since then (Minus the instance dungeon). But I have seen a lot of people complaining about not being able to further their relics because there was no one doing things like CLL and Dalriada. Even going to forums asking for changes to the two and asking for changes and involvement of NPC's in place of other players. I have even jumped into both zones where the number of players in the instances have been about 15 - 20 players, again, the numbers have improved a bit as of late, but still. I can't really fault SE for changing up their relic quest to give more player the opportunity to get one.
Solo play is important for us who work and can't play enough to keep up with the rest of the players. Been playing since it came out and have never had a solid group of people to play with. The "community" just is not there for some of us.
I felt this way fir a while. Ever since shadowbringers, i have noticed one especially glaring issue, the zones are big, empty of people, and have virtually no draw to them. I can walk all over mare lamentorum and count on one hand the number of semi-interesting landmarks, ehile the rest of it just seems baren. Even radz at han is mostly just wide open soaces filed mostly with colourful surfaces Meanwhile in old ARR areas i can walk around each zone in la noscea and STILL find the environment interesting, with winding pathways architecture and ruins and natural features that tell a story on their own, and even tonnes of NPCs that are doing normal stuff that they don't feel placed there just to meet the npc quota Nevermind the lack of content,endealker just feels Physically barren....
People are idiots...you had a ton of good games this year, literraly one of the best gaming years since the mid 00s probably..ofcourse people will play other games.
One of the things I never understood the devs never expanding on to other areas of the game, was the city/town restoration thing we did with the Domans back in Stormblood and the Isgardians with the Firmament in Shadowbringers. I'd LOVE to do this type of content with the Ivaclians in Rabanastre, the Bozjans with restoring their captial, the Ala Mhigans with their main city or converting Rhalgr's Reach into their new main city hub, and of course help rebuild the Garleans capital.
I loved that the variant dungeons were able to be completed solo. I was able to explore and look at details and theorize about the lore by going in solo that just isn't possible when you're playing with people. In addition, getting the mounts that way felt much more satisfying, like it was a whole challenge that I completed entirely on my own. If they add more like that, I'm here for it, and yes, there IS a place for solo content in MMO's.
@@cheesemuffin8129 And that's why it's an option. You can do the content solo or with people, same with Duty Support and Trust, with the background for those being that people would be selfish and not respect first timers. Having the option is great, so you choose what you prefer. Please don't force people to play the way you want to play. (Not you specifically, but y'know)
@@reyon2673You cannot argue his opinion. His opinion is a fact. Do not turn an MMO into something it isn't. It will continue to crumble. I want community. Not hermits.
@@venti9925 It's an RPG first. And too bad, 'cause they did it, and they're doing it 🤷♂️ And they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't something that a considerable amount of people asked for. The community brought it on themselves, now reap the fruits of your labor. You wanna queue for dungeons, *do it*. Ain't nobody stopping you. It's not all about you.
I would be legitimately surprised if "most " PC players of FF14 modified their games. Most PC players of games like minecraft don't even mod their games. Modding is not what the average causal player partakes in. The average casual player plays for a single-digit number of hours every week and doesn't even digest media on their favorite game. How they'd make it to modding is beyond me.
I'm actually taking a break from FFXIV for two reasons. 1: I did everything I wanted to do. I grinded up the gear I wanted to aquire, and now that I have it, it's time to take a breat. 2: My subscription time ran out.
Savage Criterion should drop savage equivalent ilvl gear with a weekly loot lockout so that bis is a mix of augmented tome, savage raid, and savage criterion.
I’ve BEEN telling people who want to have a single player experience to GO PLAY A SINGLE PLAYER GAME! Whining about that not being what an MMORPG is, is COMPLETE NONSENSE!
A mmo is not about grouping or single player content. MMOs have a long history of solo content in it. From Ultima Online onwards. It is just that EQ came out and tainted what MMOS were before it. A MMO is about a shared world with others running around it. The problem with the game is not really the group content, it is the content does not feel rewarding to do. That is something all mmos have issues with.
I actually like the variant dungeons. Quick and easy method of farming tomes, and the stuff you can buy with the currency can get you some nice money on the mb. When I was trying to get the mount from the first one I ended up buying a lot of the emote to sell on the mb. Was good money while I still had it.
I don't think FF14 should cater to raiders because they are not who make the game feel alive ultimately. They're away in their own instances doing their own thing and not really participating in the other social aspects of the game, which long term isn't great for it's health. I feel that in EW we lack incentives to do anything, literally anything. I myself am a raider and I pug, last tier I got my weapon day 2 or 3 of the drops and just quit. I had no reason to continue playing the game at all, and I was very much looking forward to the new relic weapons and obtaining them. But once I heard I had to do Hildebrand I immediately lost all interest and if I'm honest I'll probably never do them. I just don't have a reason too atm, maybe aside from getting BiS just to have it since no new weapons will be coming out for some time now.
i think it would have been cool if there was a way for players to "pair" their island sanctuary instance, so that they share the same one, and can both equally make progress on it. sure it may eliminate the grind for some people but it still would have been a nice experience to do that with a partner.
i haven't played it yet but i thought this was similar to dragon age inquisition where you hit quick search and the matchmaking puts you in with 3 other players and then you survive waves of enemies and then a boss towards the end of the stage. it's like ff14 is more open free roam similar to skyrim and you could randomly meet player's as your travelling around that could help you out. someone did say when you reach level 60 + that's when those classic final fantasy super bosses like ultima weapon would start appearing as a quest. i can't wait to try it lol just waiting for the ps4 game update to download, i've got the complete edition version on ps4 🤙
Many good points! I think that it is very likely that they aren't interested in doing anything that is explicitly aimed at retaining players. Or at least anything like that that would be too artificial. But they need to make exceptions, like for the artifact weapons. Culturally, the players expect and embrace, a grindy process. So they should give it! As for me, the clubbing scene keeps me engaged with just a little ReShade, LOL! No Lunar technology for me!
lmao idk why anyone takes "full time streamers" like the long haired twink or xeno seriously, they have hundreds of buddies all the time and if not they could literally fart and 20000 ppl would join their party. or they only care about extreme hardcore endgame ultimates and then they give job feedback with only that in mind. I'm sick of ppl like that actually having impact on games by proxy of becoming popular and meeting with Developers, when the overwhelming majority of players in general have a vastly different experience than them. I know you're not attacking him but *I* AM.
I love how people blame Endwalker for why people are "leaving" FF14 when we are coming out of COVID and people are going back to their old lives (where most people don't have the time for MMORPGs). Add in a lot of amazing games came out this year so you can go back to 14 when you get done with the new stuff.
We need the world to be more immersive, for example in ESO everywhere you go there are hidden places, mini stories, delves, things to explore… in ffxiv the world felt restricted, you have to walk the path they set for you… there’s no going right or left just str8. In end game ppl just hangout in cities and Q for things. No reason for people to visit older areas anymore after they’re done with them.
I agree that there should've been more group content in Endwalker. I also wish island sanctuary had more stuff to do. I do kinda disagree with the relic weapon grinding, though I do wish it was connected to variant dungeons in some way.
Im still a sprout but have been playing this game off and on this past year and finally going through heavensward after a Realm Reboring. I couldnt agree more about what u said in this video. There needs to be more pushes for group content and encouraging people to socialize and play together. This a MMORPG for fks sake not a solo player offline video game…and MSQ feels sooo socially isolating cuz all ur doing is soloing and popping in and out of a group dungeon every so often.
Shadowbringers is the best expansion, however it's because of it's structure. Each Shadowbringer story is self contained with as beginning, middle and end. The other expansions had to build the world as a whole. Endwalker suffers from the same thing every final movie in a trilogy does. Even if it's good, it has to focus on wrapping up everything which can feel hallow. Even more so if the story must go on past it.
End walker was rushed and did not a do a proper story. In also contradicts ShadowBringers in some parts. Zordiark at level 83 was the first clue. Then we get to see outskirts of Garlemald. And Never to Garlemald itself. The bad Guys since 1.0 and we do not get to see their capital. What a joke.
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj I'd argue the main story and conflict was properly done, but the fate of the Garleans post-Endwalker won't be seen anytime soon as there's still a huger voidsent precense there, and I wouldn't be surprised if there will be another "Ishargdian Restoration" type of event and we'll rebuild Garlemald and add another housing district... which may or may not even happen in DT...
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj Zodiark coming first makes sense since he triggers the final days. We get to see the garlemald's capital and settlements. More garlemald would just be more snow and some houses, pretty boring. You're free to explore the ancient world as Amarout (dungeon) Akadaemia Anyder (dungeon) in explorer mode, not even mentioning what Emet recreated + Elpis + Pandaemonium. I get not liking the story but you had to have made that up as a hate comment.
They'll be back for Dawntrail. I've taken a multi month break, so you could say that I've "quit", but I'm just waiting for Dawntrail. New classes, new zones, Femgar, that's where it's at. I'm not a raider, I got the Manderville weapons I wanted, and everything else in the game, aside from Holiday content, doesn't engage me. I've just been playing other games, still pay my sub in case I get the random itch to hop on with friends, and have just been doing other things. When Dawntrail comes out though, lordy, I'll be swarming all over that expansion with no end in sight.
I think the population decline has more to do with the onslaught of amazing games coming out in the past few months. I also think the relics are done through tomes because there's already hours of Hildi content before you can get to it and if future players want to do Hildi, they shouldn't be gated from the relics due to it being from a dead zone like Bozja.
Good take on both accounts. Yeah, they could've done some stuff better. They could've given us a bleak, dreary "kill mobs" zone to keep us busy just for the sake of being busy, but the more likely reason for people taking a break is that there's a glut of good or at least promising games. And yes, the relics are this way because people complained in ShB about the relics, and about Bozja. And then they also complained when they were told they needed to be up to date with Hildibrand stuff. So they probably went "ok so we'll give them an easy time now."
It's because the content is stale. Every expansion, every watch. Same thing with a different skin. Boring straight line, thoughtless dungeons. Savage raids can be fun, but come on. The game is so old at this point that they are just more of the same with slight variations. Jobs are WAY too similar to one another, there is no "character builds" to add variety. Gearing is incredibly stale and boring. To the point where gear might as well not even be in the game
@@Afrojackfan people are trying to downplay all of these things and say they aren't a problem, but do they really think this same shit is gonna be fun for the next TEN YEARS? like come on. Take everything you've learned, and make a new mmo. Ff17. In a new engine. That's the better choice
I played 1.0 and continued to play until 2018 when I quit because I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. The game has its flaws but I just came back today and it’s like a whole new game and all of my ild FC mates joined back up too we vowed to finish the game together and here we are picking back up at stormblood and the community seems less toxic than it was when we left. We used to be on Excalibur server and left it because it was difficult to avoid drama. Just my opinion but I am glad I came back 😊
4:56 min.: I meet outher people more in main citys. Groupe content is nice to have but not nassary to have a social life. I personaly would prefer it if this game have a solo mode. Im more the lone wolf kind of person. I can be the hearth of the party if i wants to be i also enjoi my solitude while i crafting and locks my self in isolation in my house. Real life and in ff14.. If i have every class max i igore most of the groupe stuff so good i can.
I recently asked a friend why she quit FFXIV and she said "While, EW was not my favorite (I still enjoyed it), I left because of the community. If you're not a hard core player or a venue hopper, you're stuck trying to actually play the game as people in game aren't actually playing the game. Plus, if I wanted to be verbally or emotionally abused by someone: I'd call my drunk father and listen to him tell me how horrible I am. So, unless real helpful and kind people teturn: I won't come back." That is very sad and unsettling as I haven't gotten to EW yet. :-(
Starfield and BG3 aren't helping at the moment... I've been very unhappy with the state of healers (and tanks I guess) since Shadowbringers, and as EW has concluded the story, I've no reason to put up with it any further. Until they give healers (and tanks) a distinctive core with some actual depth, and trimming the excessive fluff, I will not be resubbing, nor buying any further expansions. I'll still come play during free logins, but that will be it. I do not enjoy the Shadowbringers design paradigm. It was okay for an expansion and it peaked in Bozja. But they've doubled down on it for Endwalker, and the retrofitted most of ARR, HW, and soon StB to fit, erasing their design identities, and frankly making the game worse. A lot of it was supposedly done to facilitate Duty Support and Trusts. A feature so awful it's not worth using unless you have 20m+ queue times and don't want to grind FATEs while you wait.
