The Reason the Pilgrims Came to America 

Stephen Hopkins was my 11th great grand father. Thanks.

@@michaelparks5669 he’s my 12th great grandfather. I need to dig through our records. Before my grandmother passed she had compiled a lot of records going back to the time of Charlemagne. I would love to chat more with you because it’s always exciting finding relatives in unexpected ways.

It is.

Where did you find they persecuted other people? Comprehension skills are lacking today. SMH Even a century before the pilgrims arrived in America; different English, French, and Spanish explorers would show up and kidnap people for slavery, spread disease, etc. The pilgrims were not the first people (even "white" people) in that area. They were some of the first groups of separatists (AKA white people not willing to suckle the English tit to sacrifice their values). In the 1500s is the first recorded war with natives and it was the Spanish. In 1622 some of the Powhatan tribe massacred hundreds of English settlers for encroaching on their land. The English having been there because they were looking for peace and promised the land by people that did not rightfully own it. Though in similar cases there are records of English and Spanish purchasing land from natives only to have the natives later regret it (likely due to seeing the way the English treated the land but also perhaps they simply wanted it back!) Unfortunately this is where people think the racist phrase "Indian giver" comes from. When you give someone a gift but then you say they need to give it back to you. Many think it was something lost in translation. English thought the natives meant actual "gift" and natives meant "loan". Regardless the natives knew how to work the land and how to survive the conditions much better obviously. So the English were starving during winter and fearful of hunting because many of the natives would take the opportunity to attack them while they were weakened. This is how the majority of the earliest wars started between the natives and colonists. Not to mention that the colonists were often offered help and allegiance against other Europeans as well as other native tribes. Since most native tribes were known to war with each other as well. As is how it goes with most civilizations. Ironically it seems the more the English were involved "down the road" is what caused the worst of it. English folk with money that came to America TO expand and TO profit; not simply to practice religion freely as the earliest English-bred colonists did (that did NOT have a ton of money and opportunity but were trying to flee persecution). So NO the people whom had been persecuted were not usually the ones doing the persecuting. Though that does happen in human nature many times. (If a child is abused they might grow up to be the same way if that's all they know/what they adapted to for survival). But human history is riddled with similar. The earliest recorded mass genocide is between tribes in Africa. What I learned from this video in particular is how much the French are behind many of the unfair woes of the natives as well as the English trying to not be English anymore. LOL I already knew the Spanish were a very cruel and imperialistic people, or to be fair...just more successful at this at the time. So the idea of America being based on freedom, the Christian God, hard work and diversity etc is a nice notion and I see where it derives from...It makes more sense considering how often the natives and English/Dutch etc worked together early on...then having the American Revolution against the English trying to impose taxes without representation etc. (Bullying colonies to empty their pockets to the point of starvation). Then there was even the French Indian war in 1754. Dang frogs! (jk..) The wealthiest of the colonists being the ones to form the constitution etc. I think because there were less people as a whole, and people knew each other better and expected accountability; perhaps the influence of the less wealthy was greater. Though as such...an example being George Washington I believe was only second generation of American compared to the pilgrims and such that had several more generations having lived on the land. His family was directly from England and Norway. He also was part of the Church of England (the opposite of those pilgrims remember....the church they were escaping persecution from...) . Perhaps it even explains why the Quakers were killed and treated like witches; when they did not fall in line with the puritans and other Anglicans (like George was). The power still was primarily in the hands of the most wealthy. Not just whites peoples. It explains why only certain groups of people would actually persecute and agree with persecution and removal of natives from their lands and the destruction of the tribes. They were wealthy selfish people paying for help to get their way and/or manipulating ignorant and desperate people to support their cause. Besides the addition of if they had family that had been peaceful and told they could live there only to be attacked by natives without warning. There were some natives early on that did attend the same universities as wealthy white folk did, and held degrees. It was likely as common as a white woman to be real if not more likely. I'm glad the natives were able to recognize that there are different kinds of white people. Just as there are different varieties of tribes and individuals within each tribe and every family. There were violent and hateful whites as well as natives. In every culture and group there is a variety.

They claim persecution. This was a bunch of religous zelots.

Who were/are they persecuting? Why do you feel persecuted?

Those are Protestants for you. Not much difference from Catholics when it comes to wanting state power, even today, look at all the “Christian” nationalists. Now it’s a mix of Protestants and Catholics. The only Christians who were persecuted but didn’t thereafter persecute others were the groups of Christians throughout history and through the dark ages such as the patarenes, paulicians, Donatists, notations, montantists, Waldenses, Albigenses, henricians, Arnoldists, the Welsh baptists, anabaptists, etc.

@@itskeagan3004 r u new to the world?

This is just the beginning- what followed in the next decade to the natives was a tragedy

Where can I find the truth?

@@itskeagan3004 You find the truth in Jesus. But about history, you try to see different sides to get a fuller picture. The winners, losers, and other sides all have a viewpoint and it is really hard to know the real truth this far out but we can find other accounts of the same time period buried in books, videos, artifacts and hopefully the reader can see a fuller picture

​@letter203ify unless Jesus has a history book I don't think he will help much in this situation bless your heart

It was such hypocrisy, really really bad basis for anything ☹️

@@mintaka3652 That's Merica

Absolutely

Arminians=responsibility of free will unto entire Sanctification.....Calvinists 5 point tulip= everything is trumped by Sovereignty of God......John Calvin used his influence to burn a man to death for not recanting offering him freedom FROM THE FLAMES... showing that he (john Calvin) was indeed responsible for his execution.....read gospel of John 16 verses 1 and 2 re: condemnation of this murderous act.......the fake Arminians also share this fate.....true Arminians do not believe in church and state or killing others

It may be unfair to place the entire blame on Calvin for the execution of Servetus. Whatever the case, it does not diminish the sovereignty of God taught in scripture.

Too pure.

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Fifth and sixth times to reply at least I had something to say