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The Rise and Fall of Modern (Magic: the Gathering's Biggest Competitive Format) 

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This video discusses the decisions made by Wizards around the Modern format.
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@HarryMTG
@HarryMTG Год назад
WARNING: In this video I share my opinion.
@alexbaker4009
@alexbaker4009 Год назад
Absolutely not. Absolutely no opinions /s
@owenpfaff627
@owenpfaff627 Год назад
“This was an interesting video as a super simple timeline. Decks have always been expensive but part of the idea was that the cards would hold most of their value and you wouldn’t need to constantly buy new cards to keep your deck relevant. The forced rotation of cards in Modern is probably the formats last straw. After briefly coming back to do well in some small summer tournaments I’ve decided that playing is no longer worth the money and effort. Instead I focus on my fan made format called ‘Horizons’ which is essentially modern without supplemental sets. It’s a blast!” - Playtester74
@Y0kAiS
@Y0kAiS Год назад
So this is why players are so upset. I always wondered this. Thanks for the video.
@MekanikKommandoh88
@MekanikKommandoh88 Год назад
It is indeed an opinion.
@davidketron4932
@davidketron4932 Год назад
I understand your thoughts and when modern horizons 1 was out there was one card banned and I liked the set. MH2 on the other hand is offal especially from Ragavan and war of the spark teferi. I still hold a small amount of hope of MH3 with remade reserve list cards most notably the duel lands. Wotc and hasbro are getting desperate and soon us players are going to be in control and possibly fix what is broken.
@letsmakeit110
@letsmakeit110 Год назад
There's no new player pipeline anymore. Used to be if you wanted to get into magic without a collection, you'd drop $10-15 at a time on drafts, then use the cards you drafted to play standard, then use your standard collections to play eternal formats. Now the standard cards dont interact with eternal so you either draft forever, drop $500 at once, or proxy everything.
@dhruvnarash7790
@dhruvnarash7790 Год назад
I think there is a new player pipeline, it just looks different. It's called Commander. Maybe proxied commander for the first few months, but then they replace the proxies with real cards, and then go from there. With the emaciation of standard, this reality we're in now is the only other way, and it honestly works better for Wizards. They can print more insane staples in each set to push packs, and draw commander players, while also forcing eternal format players to buy into the next set thanks to power creep.
@rey_8834
@rey_8834 Год назад
@@dhruvnarash7790 that’s definitely what it is, but it’s a shame. in the past few months i’ve gotten a couple friends into magic and it’s super fun but a little disappointing that all we can play is somewhat casual commander, i miss the days of playing modern tournaments 4 years ago, but i just can’t afford decks right now. so instead i’m using my old modern cards to build commander decks
@Duskrequim
@Duskrequim Год назад
@@dhruvnarash7790 Commander is also becoming less viable for many new players. I have seen a dwindling number of new players because the costs are reaching a point that is not consistent with a "New Experience". Most Precon Commander decks run about $60-70 depending on the LGS (as many are marking up prices) Most new players are unaware of markets online so they end up dropping alot at the LGS. Then after their first HORRIBLE experience of trying a premade with players who have dropped $1000's on their decks over time.. The new player finds out that simple changes like LANDS... can cost MORE THAN THE DECK DID... PER LAND!!!!.. At that point.. the new player dips.. takes the loss and decides to not play again. RINCE AND REPEAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER.. Packs at all the local stores in my area run $6 each... Singles are market price +10%... We see Draft Booster boxes selling at $180 after tax. ITS not affordable to play the game as a New player. Even those of us who have played for decades.. have reached a point of crunch.
@NathanFerYou
@NathanFerYou Год назад
@@Duskrequim have to agree. I’m a new player and my friend and I play commander but neither of us want to play standard, but we’re locked out of our LGS because we’re both new and so our commander power levels are vastly outmatched. So, we just kinda tinker with precons and fight each other and some of our other friends in the same ballpark.
@matt4patt135
@matt4patt135 Год назад
I’m just now getting back into modern. I agree that the design of MH2 are mostly good, but blitz and burn are basically the only affordable competitive decks that are less than like $800
@FDXHOMEDEL
@FDXHOMEDEL Год назад
Just reinforces the old adage: “the best thing wizards ever did for is forget it existed”
@imaqt3.14
@imaqt3.14 Год назад
That hasn't been the case with legacy. Can't imagine if they made cards for it though.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Год назад
Vintage is great at the moment.
@MrPlow-jc4cr
@MrPlow-jc4cr Год назад
@@imaqt3.14 They sort of did with the initiative cards, and it unsurprisingly ruined legacy immediately upon their inclusion to MTGO
@schumerus6786
@schumerus6786 Год назад
@@imaqt3.14 Legacy is weird, they never expect it but somehow some obscure card makes it as a staple and takes over. That’s the nature of Legacy, when you can do everything, something might just be the Next Thing
@Lucretzia
@Lucretzia Год назад
The last point you made is so right. We need to organize more and be a community of players.
@utkphilobio
@utkphilobio Год назад
It's our game, not WOTC's.
@Cephalid432
@Cephalid432 Год назад
Yes True
@Noname-bq4qc
@Noname-bq4qc Год назад
Your use of the word community is wrong. We are temporary players…
@kzelmer
@kzelmer Год назад
Premodern is the answer
@QWERTY-du4hc
@QWERTY-du4hc Год назад
The modern sets should have been staple reprints that already existed within the format. That way newer players could get their hands on the cards they wanted while the prices dipped, and the format wouldn't become soo warped.
@MrTONDINI
@MrTONDINI Год назад
That’s exactly what the various “modern masters” sets were.
@francopensalfine7494
@francopensalfine7494 Год назад
We have modern masters and the latest double masters for that Those are 100% reprint sets
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 8 месяцев назад
@@MrTONDINI Literally doesnt matter. They have to reprint the cards enough that the 'best cards' that people want 4 of in all of their decks arent 60$ each. Lol. Fetches and shock lands, IMO, should be in every 3rd standard set.
@NateBullock-ow6on
@NateBullock-ow6on 7 месяцев назад
​@@suntzu6122that's a terrible idea 😅
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 7 месяцев назад
@@NateBullock-ow6on nah ur right. Make every format 400 dollar min cost for lands alone lol.....
@josa3127
@josa3127 Год назад
MH1 did some damage. MH2 stepped up, and said "hold my beer". But the real culprit is the shift in philosophy by Hasbro. It's no longer about the game, it's only about "how can we make the most money, with the smallest amount of effort". This reminds me of mtggoldfish' reprint problem article from a couple of years. Seth thought there would be diminishing returns on reprinting fetches etc, but never did he anticipate what would actually happen (5-6 versions of the same card). Now that Hasbro has hit the ceiling with magic, d&d is their next target and boy are they in for a bad day.
@lcamacho398
@lcamacho398 Год назад
This is why my friend pod switched to playing with proxys, not paying those garbage prices Hasbro demands
@subzero308
@subzero308 Год назад
Fetches r priced fairly affordable now tho... Which is a good thing... No magic card should be over 20$ IMO this is a game that was meant for kids not a retirement plan.
@Arvaniz
@Arvaniz Год назад
@@subzero308 I wish all Magic players believed as you do. I do, but there are a lot of elitists thinking "If you can't afford it, don't play it", like kids on the playground not wanting to share their toys.
@subzero308
@subzero308 Год назад
@@Arvaniz I agree I have multiple modern decks 2 being all foiled and I wouldn't care if everything was reprinted... The only cards that should be pricey r foils and premium cards... If I chose to spend money on foils and promos then that's fine... But every card should have a cheap game piece... When the mana base is more expensive then the regular cards in the deck then there's a huge problem with the game.
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 9 месяцев назад
EXACTLY greed ruins this game.
@Knittely
@Knittely 10 месяцев назад
Power creep was present in magic before as well, but it was like over 5 years you can see a power increase, now you can see one with every new set. Nothing makes me more sad in games than insane power creep. A minor power creep is fine, but not what's currently happening
@lostalone9320
@lostalone9320 2 месяца назад
Frustratingly, WotC has forgotten that power doesn't only have to go one way. Since sets are designed to be self-contained anyway, for draft, it's totally normal and even positive if sets sometimes are bit up and sometimes a bit down. The rotating formats will just use whatever tools they have in their pool at the time no matter what, and if cards don't impact older formats, so what? "Old" magic has the really busted stuff and its totally ok for busted things to just stay as staples for a long time.
@SynystarYT
@SynystarYT Год назад
I been playin modern since 2013 and sold my collection valued at over 10k this year as the format was nothing short of an addiction trying to keep my decks relevant. We proxy decks with a color printer and play whatever decks we want for like 15 bucks each (Paper, sleeves, ink and deck box cost per deck) we have 40-50 decks and play whatever we want against eachother at home now.
@kephjs
@kephjs Год назад
sounds like loser talk
@KuzaFkto
@KuzaFkto Год назад
Sounds like winner talk :)
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 9 месяцев назад
@@kephjs Much more reasonable to spend thousands on a childrens game lol.
@KDD0063
@KDD0063 8 месяцев назад
Another thing is the art on the cards is very mismatched now, there are too many styles of cards. I like being able to put good art on a card and make them all match and look good, and print it out. Honestly what I can do is better than the design decisions of Wizards.
@musashishinmen4286
@musashishinmen4286 7 месяцев назад
​​@@kephjs Hasbro is a huge rich corpo They won't fail just because a couple of dudes from the middle of nowhere decided to play with proxies 🙂
@KainiusTheGreat
@KainiusTheGreat Год назад
I love that Gavin Verhey helped create Modern and the helped drive a stake in its heart. Good Job, Wizards/Hasbro!
@dingdongs5208
@dingdongs5208 Год назад
People are quick to put all the blame on the Hasbro and wotc execs but forget that Gavin and MaRo are pretty shit at what they do. How they still have their jobs leaves me scratching my head
@TheForbiddenDance
@TheForbiddenDance Год назад
@@dingdongs5208 they go around hunting and killing every format that people create to escape the prior format which wotc ruined.
@bricknolty5478
@bricknolty5478 Год назад
Pauper tournaments plz
@demiurge2501
@demiurge2501 Год назад
@@dingdongs5208 Gavin has been spot on with the pauper bans but that’s about it
@surfinggarchomp2820
@surfinggarchomp2820 Год назад
@@dingdongs5208 Probably because of all the stuff they make that AREN'T mistakes. I feel like people focus way too much on the negatives.
@EPC-ue2ci
@EPC-ue2ci Год назад
Damn... When affinity, jeskai geist, E-tron, mardu pyro, jund, hardened scales, UW control were all the top decks. ..That was without a doubt the best era of modern.
@polsenOO7
@polsenOO7 Год назад
Good take. A take a lot of the Magic community doesn't want to admit. Cards that were once considered fair in the format were suddenly axed because they didn't mesh well with the newer ones have driven a lot of players away. I am also one of those players.
@aldeayeah
@aldeayeah 20 дней назад
I left Modern when they banned the old staples Mox Opal and Faithless Looting for the sins of the new pushed cards. In retrospect, things started going wrong when they banned Splinter Twin to shake things up. As a combo deck that could be interacted with removal, Twin was a keystone of the format and propped up other decks such as Jund.
@alexlenneman9695
@alexlenneman9695 10 месяцев назад
2019 pre War of the Spark was one of my favorite times in Modern. Phoenix was dominant, but there was still a healthy metagame around it. Tron, Lantern, Shadow, Burn, Dreadge, UW Conrol, Humans, and GB Rock were all solid, had play against each other, and consistently shared top 8 spots at GPs and SCG events.
@CptManboobs
@CptManboobs 6 месяцев назад
I miss the good old days when you could make it to top 8 at an event and there would be 8 different decks.
@maple_ceres5912
@maple_ceres5912 Год назад
I got into Modern shorty after I started playing Magic in 2015 where I turned my standard Esper Dragons list into a Modern deck. I was still in highschool at the time, so it took me a while to get the manabase for it. After the release of SOI I changed the win-con from Dragons to the Unburial Rites/Gifts Ungiven package. I always loved attending FNM those days since there was an LGS within walking distance to my house and my highschool friends would all attend too. One of them ran UB Faeries, another did U-Tron, and another Tooth-and-Nail. After the release of Modern Horizons we fell out of the competitive scene due to costs and swapped to EDH. I still attended every once in a while, but the banning of Opal caused my favorite deck at the time, Lantern Control, to be nigh-unplayable and I fell out of the scene. To this day I still think that while the card was almost banworthy, it died because of Urza's release in MH1. I recently got back into the format, but I can't help but feel jaded every time I see Ragavan or Omnath. It just reminds me of how Modern used to be, and how it will probably never be that way again.
@roooc7159
@roooc7159 Год назад
Same on the opal ban, but affinity.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Год назад
Mox Opal was a fucked card. Extremely overpowered and it had to be banned. Urza isn't a problem at all without Mox Opal.
@alain1639
@alain1639 Год назад
As an affinity player hated that Opal ban, especially when they printed Karn in WAR which nerfed artifact decks, but it wasn't Urza, it got banned cause of stupid turn 2 Oko.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Год назад
@@alain1639 Oko is broken even on turn 3. But Opal had to go because it was fast mana for artifact decks which gave Affinity, at its prime, a 70% game 1 winrate.
@bland5149
@bland5149 Год назад
It really is unfortunate how F.I.R.E design effectively introduced cards and ideas that made Modern a rotating format. I remember back when I started playing in 2016 that Liliana of the Veil was the scariest card to see your opponent drop on turn 3 and a Tarmogoyf becoming a 4/5 commanded being Path to Exiled. Cryptic Command was an insane tempo play and if Burn had a good game they could finish you off on Turn 4, Turn 3 if they drew the absolute nuts. It was UNHEARD of to have a deck see more than 10% of the meta share. Nowadays if you connect with a Ragavan on turn 2 you've effectively won the game on the spot against most decks and an 11/11 Hammer Wielder can be headed your way on the same turn. Liliana of the Veil? Try Wrenn and Six on for size. Remember the last time you played a Tarmogoyf? Just looking at MtGGoldfish you can see that even with all of these different "decks," we can see some odd similarities: almost all of the non-land cards are from Modern Horizons. EIGHT out of the TOP TEN most played creatures were released in MODERN HORIZONS ALONE, 7 of them in MH2! It doesn't help that Ledger Shredder is also amongst the top ten and is another product of F.I.R.E. design. The last basion in the top 10 is Magus of the Moon for Pete's sake! So yeah, I'd rather not have an MH3.
@gregdipietro260
@gregdipietro260 Год назад
MH1 and MH2 killed Modern. If WOTC or LGS's want ppl to play Modern they need to ban ALOT of cards and stop making Modern sets for Modern.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
What does F.I.R.E. stand for exactly?
@dm9910
@dm9910 Год назад
I think you're looking at the "golden years" of modern through rose-tinted spectacles - it wasn't all that much different in terms of price really. Wizards has been hawking heinously expensive piles of cardboard for a lot longer than Modern has been a thing. The only difference is that in the old days of modern, a lot of the high prices and overcentralizing cards were accidents. When they printed Tarmogoyf for example I genuinely think they had no idea it was going to be a $200 card. The egregious thing about current Modern prices is that the prices have stayed this high despite multiple reprint and supplementary sets nominally intended to make the format more accessible. Why? Because they've done every trick in the book to undermine that accessibility in the name of profit: increasingly expensive packs, rarity upshifts, "draft focused" premium masters sets that consequently are full of chaff cards, strategic staggering of important reprints across multiple sets, banning old cards for the sins of new powercrept cards, and now with Modern Horizons just straight up obsoleting half of the format to drive demand for the shiny new mythics only available in premium-priced packs. MH1 and especially MH2 were calculated attacks designed up milk players for as much as possible. The best trick of all though is how WOTC, intentionally or by accident, exploited the elitism of its playerbase to defend it at every turn. Every time I criticised WOTC business practices on reddit or youtube, there were legions of nerds coming out of the woodwork to tell me that magic is plenty affordable if only you treat it as a stock market and not a game. It seemed to be lost on them that if they got to play "for free" through risky speculation on thousands of dollars worth of cardboard (an activity that not everyone can afford even if they don't find such a requirement nauseating), it was only through being subsidized by their less-established and less-obsessed fellow players. Not only was there no solidarity between Magic players in the face of WOTC, but many people took conspicuous pride in exploiting newer and less experienced players for profit in the form of hoarding and inflating the value of cards. Basically, we've arrived in this place today because of the complacency of players who already bought in, and their contempt for players who had not yet bought in. I hope at least some of these guys have, in the last few years of WOTC's most money-grubbing stunts yet, learnt their lesson somewhat about the ways companies will stab you in the back if you actively help them shoot down pro-consumer voices.
@117Chief930
@117Chief930 Год назад
It's not rose-tinted glasses, it's facts. Modern rotated MUCH more slowly pre-MH and you were pretty certain that if you invested in a deck, it would still be relatively competitive for a long period of time. Also, the manabase used to be the biggest cost in modern decks, and it was also the one thing that transferred from deck to deck regardless of the strategy. Now the manabase is cheaper than it's ever been, and the spells are the overwhelming cost of every deck, and the spells are the thing most likely to rotate out again next time WoTC decides to print another overpowered and overpriced set. So in the past, if you wanted to change decks completely, add another, or your deck was made too weak to play after a time, you could transition to another deck for a few hundred in most cases as long as you already had the mana. Now it will cost twice that to switch and your decks are becoming useless 4 times as fast. Add to that the egregious amount of bans that they have made over the past 2 years, rendering so many decks obsolete to make room for their batch of overpriced must-haves. It isn't optimistic memory to think that the format was better for all these reasons pre-MH.
@Kakerate2
@Kakerate2 Год назад
It's funny, even this year someone on reddit told me the cost of modern decks hasnt' gone up when you adjust for inflation. Proceeded to use wayback machine and inflation statistics to absolutely point out how inaccurate that was.....to downvotes. Yeah, turns out the sunken cost fallacy is a real thing.
@wittmoneyman
@wittmoneyman Год назад
After being a hardcore magic love since 2014 and have now taken a break. I agree with your take 100%. Especially seeing how Pokemon treats their TCG and their players. There is a lot of copium among the community. It took me actually stepping away from the game to actually see how bad its really gotten. The sociological manipulation from Wizards has been and still is very effective.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
Modern always felt like a "Spikes-only club" to me. Whether it actually was or not, I'm not sure. I only play EDH now.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
Man I wish I could take this comment and frame it on a wall, it's so accurate it burns
@alexbowman2712
@alexbowman2712 Год назад
As a former modern player back until mh1 came out. I swapped to pionner since they announced it and didnt look back, i do miss the golden years of post eldrazi winter modern. And i live in constant fear of a pioneer horizons, as i feel the format is great and cam grow organically over the next year.
@grishy8203
@grishy8203 Год назад
i also fear pioneer horizons. hopefully we have a few more years before that happens
@josephcourtright8071
@josephcourtright8071 6 месяцев назад
@@grishy8203 We need a fan run 1v1 format which forbids such things.
@RaulFelixINC
@RaulFelixINC 4 дня назад
Did it grow organically over the last year?
@Rafikki_
@Rafikki_ Год назад
First of all, I'd like to add context to my comment by telling a bit of my history with Magic. I started playing back in 2009 but was 100% kitchen table enjoyer until 2014 when I started playing EDH and finished High School. I slowly creeped up my decks power levels searching for more competitive experience with EDH, never actually reaching CEDH because it wasn't really a known thing until 2020. I have however followed Modern and Legacy tournaments and metagate from 2015, focusing more on Modern because of it's cheaper price tag and arguably longer games since the format didn't have as explosive and polarizing matchups as Legacy. Two years ago a friend of mine convinced me to come to our local FNM and one borrow of his decks. I instantly fell in love. I played couple of FNM's that Winter and Spring before finally acquiring a Modern deck in late Summer of 2021. I have played in every FNM we had in our city after that, traveled for bigger tournaments in Finland (country I live in) which we had 6 or 7 after Summer of 2021 I think. I enjoyed the power of the format compared to Pioneer, which I play as well, but I also loved the "downgrade", at least in terms of power level, from Legacy, which I also started playing last Spring. Now, we've had multiple discussions, within our FNM group, about the Modern format during last 6 months as the uproar of the Modern community against current metagame and MH-sets feel became stronger and players wanting the good old days back. Most of the people I've spoken to agree that the current metagame is the best in Modern's history and most balanced and most enjoyable. And yes, most of the people playing in our LGS have been playing Modern before MH-sets. However, as Harry stated in the video, current policy of WOTC seems to battle against Moderns original meaning and reason why it was created in the first place. While I agree that overpriced mythics with insufficient reprints are a huge problem for the health of the game in general and, at the moment, mostly for Modern and EDH, I bring myself to disagree with people that seem to justify the criticism towards Modern with the price tag it has. Yes decks are less affordable, but shouldn't the criticism then be towarded against WOTC's reprint policy instead of the formant and most importantly players of the format. I've seen incredible amount of hate towards people who play 4cc/4c elementals, Scam, any deck with Ragavan or W6 in them just in general, just because they play the best cards (or how I believe the most expensive ones). I've not heard that such hate have occurred towards Tarmo-players when it was 150€+. Also I'm not seeing such hate against for example Hammer even tho it has been arguably the best Modern deck for a while, at least in Modo. So this bring to my main point. Every format is rotating format. Power creep is inevitable. People make mistakes, were they cards that slipped thru playtest (Oko) or greed (Hasbro), which accelerates power creep. But will it justify the hate? No. Will it justify constructive criticism towards Wizards, not players? Yes. All one can do is adapting the metagame and finding new ways to have fun. Find new deck archetypes, explore other formats, create custom events for your local players, for example Modern as it was 2015. If you just sit still and only cherish the old instead of cherishing both the new and the old you just find yourself being bitter. Sorry for the long comment. There's so much more I'd like to say and compare different viewpoints, find and tell arguments for and against current and past Modern, tell my own experiences and analyze the overall metagame, community, decks, power creep etc before and now, it won't fit in a RU-vid comment in any sensible way. Also this comment in most likely being read by 6 people till the end and 4 of them disagree with me and of those 2 tell me they did stuff with my mother so I find discouraging to use any more energy for this. Anyways I am open for discussion in replies if someone wants to. Always glad to exchange opinions and find new opportunities to discuss about the game (and format) that I love with people who, I hope, share the same passion as me.
@sulevjaaniste5394
@sulevjaaniste5394 Год назад
MtG is indeed in a weird spot. Without the chase rares and mythics in the sets WoTC would start to lose money and the gradual increase of power level in sets in recent years has also been evident. It's not that easy to publish good products with balanced power level, there's almost always at least one way to break a card. Changing the reprint policy can also get backlash from the player base with the investors getting angry and such. There really is no middle ground that can be acceptable for everyone. WoTC really needs to properly engage with the community to at least maybe find a way to fix the problems.
@Rafikki_
@Rafikki_ Год назад
@@sulevjaaniste5394 Yes, being a company that tries and wants to make best profit while balancing game for millions of players so it will be enjoyable for majority is a insanely difficult task. But as you said in your message, I also believe that Wizards is not doing even remotely enough to communicate with its community and players. That could solve so many things that are overly complicated in current situation. But as I'm a cynical European from a country that most of the American republicans might consider communist (actually Social democratic) I don't think that communicating with customers is too high in WOTC's priority list in near future.
@CurdBros
@CurdBros Год назад
It really depends on your definition of "diverse" metagame. I know several people who love the current modern format and that is great. To each their own. However, if you are an old school modern player it is likely because you loved a certain deck and wanted to continue playing your favorite cards which is not a possibility. Power creep is inevitable for sure, but it used to be at a controllable rate. Now every time a MH set comes out it introduces 5-10 format defining staples and the deck you are playing is likely not viable anymore. To me, the pitch elementals and triomes somewhat homogenized the format which is not a good thing for a format for "brewers". From a pure play stand point the games can be entertaining, but from an overall standpoint Modern has definitely become boring and sideboard dependent. Boring and dependent are two things that inevitably cause the death of a game. That is not to say your opinion is wrong in any way. Like you said, each person has opinions and preferences and it's ok to disagree. If people enjoy modern currently they should be able to do so without anyone bothering them.
@JWar-
@JWar- Год назад
@@sulevjaaniste5394 Wizards has been making money with the same formula for years. There are chase rares every type 2 cycle. Some rotate out and lose value, while some retain value for the eternal formats. I remember when Call of the Herd and Nantuko Shade were chase rares worth $20 each. No type 2 card cost more than $20. They got greedy with mythics, saying they wouldn't make format staples mythic rarity then printing Lotus Cobra. Then Baneslayer Angel (WalletSlayer Angel). Then broken planeswalkers. Now staple Type 2 cards were generally $50 or more, so now when the cycle rotates the type 2 staples that retain value get even more costly because they are more rare to begin with. It seems Wizards has adopted the strategy of purposely printing power crept cards specifically for modern to move product and control the secondary market, which also ruins type 2 at the same time they are trying to extend it. It's greedy poor choices to try and fix problems from previous greedy poor choices. They don't understand the only monetary value of this whole project is a stable, fun game. They are going to slay the goose that lays golden eggs.
@themugofthenorth
@themugofthenorth Год назад
Not only the money and the cost of MH1, but also the 2 MH sets forced an artificial rotation to a format built on the appeal of non rotation.
@Trip2280
@Trip2280 Год назад
The Opal Ban is what killed it for me. Dropped the format and never looked back. Luckily they started focusing on Commander, and now they're killing that as well lol.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
Thankfully commander can't be killed since it's already solved and people just ignore it and play for fun
@MrKyGuy
@MrKyGuy Год назад
Great video! It’s been fascinating watching modern evolve.
@gregdipietro260
@gregdipietro260 Год назад
It's evolution but backwards.😁
@117Chief930
@117Chief930 Год назад
You must not play the format to be fascinated by watching your entire collection become obsolete and value cut into a quarter of what it was previous over the course of a couple years.
@subzero308
@subzero308 Год назад
@@117Chief930 as someone who has multiple foiled modern decks IDC at all what the prices of cards r... Im not here to hope my cards stay at a high price range that's stupid... I PLAY magic not collect it. If my cards falling in prices helps more players play the game that is whats important... People who care more about the value of their cards more then the game don't need to be playing magic. The only cards that should be high in price r foils/premium cards... That's it. I chose to foil out my decks and spend the extra money but the new players shouldn't have to pay 600-700$ just to play the game... 800-1k$ for a foiled out modern deck sure if thats what u wanna do but that same deck non foiled should be only around 100-200$... Not 500-700$.
@117Chief930
@117Chief930 Год назад
@@subzero308 in typical magic player fashion, you didn't understand a word I was saying. It's not about the value of the cards you own. It's about them all becoming obsolete and needing to be replaced. Then at the same time losing all their value and the cards you need to replace them with are all super expensive. Modern was supposed to be an eternal format with changes to the meta happening slowly over time and multiple sets, not a full meta rotation within a year. That's my issue with it. I don't want to spend ANOTHER couple thousand dollars to play at a competitive level. I've already done that once. I don't mind buying a playset here or there of new cards that slot into existing archetypes. If I wanted a whole new meta every year I'd play standard. Congrats on your foil decks though.
@tcsmagicbox
@tcsmagicbox Год назад
Your choice of animation for this video is amazing! Well done!
@Izanamii2
@Izanamii2 Год назад
I used to go to modern twice a week at my LGS, now they don't even fire anymore because everyone has switched to pioneer
@maubleah
@maubleah Год назад
the issue is that they actually tried to grow the player base, but didnt manage to do so, and their advisory group just threw the option of extracting value before the inminent death of the game so they took it.
@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165
@@golacheron3851 The line goes up...
@vin9235
@vin9235 Год назад
How much I needed someone to say this! This is pretty much my case and I supose from many others. When mh1 came out I was pretty excited too, but toghether with the power creep modern started to feel like a rotating format, a very expensive rotating format...
@grasshopper1153
@grasshopper1153 Год назад
I agree with you. 2018 was the golden age of Modern. I really enjoyed that year. At first I thought Modern Horizons was cool because it was something new and exciting, but now I think it is a mistake.
@user-id8lw9wn3r
@user-id8lw9wn3r Год назад
My local gamestore created a new format (common/uncommon singleton $15 max per card). It has been doing great the past month and brings life to all the bulk cards people have.
@jahithber1430
@jahithber1430 Год назад
good idea but I don't like singleton
@DylanHilliard1
@DylanHilliard1 Год назад
Great question! Very thought provoking. I don't see an end. Wotc has a parent company who is pressing on the gas and I don't see a stop in sight! Well done!
@YouObviouslyLoveOpet
@YouObviouslyLoveOpet Год назад
It seems like the supplemental sets seem to become more and more of a cash grab. It makes me hope that the new heritage format idea gets more traction.
@auberry8613
@auberry8613 Год назад
It's crazy cause modern horizons 2 is an amazing set in relation to game pieces but it's so transparently greedy, like why is ragavan a mythic? They knew it's a staple, and knew they could extort players out of their money
@koffeinx6738
@koffeinx6738 Год назад
Heritage is a Support worthy approach to the MH Nonsense going on. I hope LGS will Support it too
@dearberlin
@dearberlin Год назад
Very good production value, thanks for the entertainment and brain power!
@rfasbell
@rfasbell Год назад
I played modern from the moment it came out and this video glosses over a lot of that time. I remember when certain cards were extremely oppressive and were banned to help the format well before Eldrazi winter--cards like Splinter Twin and Birthing Pod. The bans were good for the format and so were the later bans mentioned here. Wizards was proactive about the bans of Oko and Uro and Field of the Dead. MH1 and MH2, while they introduced great cards, did make the format much more expensive in the rush to get the new tech first. The fact that these cards were so expensive reinforces the health of the format when taken as a snapshot in time. If there had been more supply and less players, the cards would have gone down in value and been more reasonable to buy. Supply and demand... What really hurt modern (and is still doing so) in my opinion is 1. Covid all but eliminated paper magic for a time, and events suffered; 2. In the push to digitize MTG, Wizards eliminated so many tournaments and in-person magic that there was no reason to keep playing standard and modern, and a lot of players went the casual (and much less expensive) EDH route; and 3. Wizards forgot that this is a game first and not just a money mill. Just a couple thoughts on my mind as i watch this video. Keep grindin' those games.
@jonandrewdavis
@jonandrewdavis Год назад
I think you’re right about the power creep. It sells cards though, so they can’t stop. They have two choices to keep creeping in Modern: more free spells, or find a way to invalidate the old free spells
@B166ER-
@B166ER- Год назад
Power creep is inevitable, you certainly can’t go the other way at this point.
@jtyree0226
@jtyree0226 Год назад
@@B166ER- it’s called banning
@jainabraina
@jainabraina Год назад
Free spells aren't the problem, the free spells being expensive mythics from expensive packs is the problem.
@gr3asemunky_868
@gr3asemunky_868 Год назад
For the algorithm, keep at it Harry!! Love the content!
@napolermo1457
@napolermo1457 Год назад
The constant changing of the format with power creep is the reason im taking a break from mtg to play yugioh's time wizard format, its formats that are based on a certain year with its banlist so the cardpool doesnt change. Also, these older cards are heavily reprinted so its easy to spend around 100$ to build a full deck.
@Chapterhouse86
@Chapterhouse86 Год назад
I started playing Modern seriously when Jace TMS was unbanned and man was that a great time to play Modern. I built 3-4 tier 1 decks that lasted me until MH1 and 2 completely warped and ruined the format. Now if I want to compete I need at least $500-$600 of upgrades in basically all of my decks. Eternal format it is no longer.
@Andrew-hr7yr
@Andrew-hr7yr 3 месяца назад
I used to adore modern. Now i just play pauper (a format I hope to God wizards doesn't find a way to monetize), cube, and play 2018-era modern decks with friends. With the exception of my pauper decks, everything I run is proxied. Wizards can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned-MH1 and 2 shattered any trust I had in them, as well as any hope for their ability to maintain magic healthily in the longterm. And all for a quick buck :( Hope it was worth it, Hasbro!
@danw.1250
@danw.1250 9 месяцев назад
Horizons sets aren't the evil, WotC's handling of them has been. If you were to take out the following cards, people would look at MH sets as the best things to happen to modern. - Hogaak - Astrolabe - W&6 - Urza's Saga - Ephemerate - the Evoke Elementals (but Fury and Grief specifically) - Ragavan - Unholy Heat (Obviously, thr LotR set belongs in yhis discussion too. Specifically,ToR and Bowmasters.) And I think that's about it. No one minds that Enchantress, Merfolk, and Asmo decks are a thing. In fact, the format is better because they are here. We need a company that will see cards like these and instead of chasing $$$ think about the impact they will have on the format.
@omarq1883
@omarq1883 Год назад
Great, looks like HarryMTG is back on the menu!
@Petsonk
@Petsonk Год назад
Harry, you continue putting out the best MTG content! Truly great video! I really agree with your opinion and hate the thought of MH3.
@OsvaldoChannel1
@OsvaldoChannel1 Год назад
Right now the closest thing we have to old school Modern is Pioneer... So I guess it's just a matter of time before Pioneer Horizons becomes a thing
@jonasarnesson7689
@jonasarnesson7689 Год назад
If Pioneer really takes off, my bet is that Wizards will try to milk that player base as well by starting to print Pioneer sets until the average power level of the Pioneer decks is so high that there really is no difference to Modern except for the lack of fetch lands.
@bigt1574
@bigt1574 3 месяца назад
Welp, Modern Horizons 3 is coming later this year. May the lord have mercy on our souls.
@AxelIsa
@AxelIsa Год назад
Cool video, I think you could easily let more exploratory videos like this go a bit longer to really dig into the issues.
@roomanosmany27
@roomanosmany27 Год назад
Great Channel!
@MadMewMew-mu3eq
@MadMewMew-mu3eq 7 месяцев назад
Hasbro forgot that the appeal of an eternal format was that it was eternal
@RespectTheCatMTG
@RespectTheCatMTG Год назад
amazing video as always Harry. i was there at GP barca and didnt play against a single Hoogak in the Trial and main event ^^ lucky me
@leonardoross8133
@leonardoross8133 Год назад
More videos like this one please!!!!!
@MrWhatsyourflavour
@MrWhatsyourflavour Год назад
Sick vid 👏👏
@dasfabelwesen
@dasfabelwesen Год назад
Feels inspired by the rystic study videos. I like it.
@daradascoli3385
@daradascoli3385 Год назад
Great video. Awesome points. I played both G Tron and GDS. I abandoned Tron when I found I couldn’t afford the what was a $10 Mycosynth Lattice on Monday but somehow shot up to $75 on Tuesday. I picked up Lurrus and enjoyed GDS having had to retire Tron. Soon afterwards, Ragavan insured that both my irl modern decks would be retired as I couldn’t then afford to continue. As of today, Tron is an option but I just don’t feel like it’s the same. And MTGO prices!!! Covid somehow gave WOTC the ability to “overnight” triple and quadruple prices. 2020 in January what was 1 tix somehow became 15 tix by February. Then you would think years later the prices would have stabilized…. Nope. I have left legacy as well. Pauper is a breath of fresh air when you need it but it doesn’t help the disappointment of realizing the format you once loved is nolonger accessible because you’re poor…
@MK_Ultra.
@MK_Ultra. Год назад
do more vids like this, this is great
@andreylabanca
@andreylabanca Год назад
This video format is very good! I really liked.
@pabllo9962
@pabllo9962 Год назад
Getting hacked is a miserable experience, hope you'll pull through it. Love your vids btw
@456Tal
@456Tal 15 дней назад
I am thinking about switching to pioneer. But will they print pioneer horizons at some point?
@andersnielsen3217
@andersnielsen3217 Год назад
What "song" is playing at 1:38?
@jaggededge11
@jaggededge11 Год назад
I do want a Modern Horizon's 3, and by that I mean simply a set that allows older cards to be rotated into Modern (And not cards specifically made for the format).
@idkman5838
@idkman5838 Год назад
and for more fetch reprints.
@fredouellet3160
@fredouellet3160 Год назад
MH3 is coming this summer. It will have a LotR IP, but is a new set with new cards legal in modern. We just have to see if it's gonna be like commander legend 2 and be disapointing or wil it shake down modern like the first 2 MH sets...
@jaggededge11
@jaggededge11 Год назад
@@fredouellet3160 With the set being based around an IP, I would think it isn't going to be too powered up (Since it can lean heavily on it's IP for a decent amount of sales). If anything, I see it as a place to print unfinished cycles (Like the Sword of cycle, Horizon Lands, Nimbus Lands, River of Tear lands, etc.) while also focusing more on the commander crowd (Though obviously there will probably be some decent Modern support for archtypes like Wizard, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling and equipment). Overall, I'm sure they're be some decent inclusions from the set but nothing on par with the format warping Horizon sets.
@zenmaster8826
@zenmaster8826 11 месяцев назад
@@jaggededge11 Hello.. I come from the future. Although wizards said they tried to power down the set, it still made waves in eternal formats….. only a few staples, but those staples are format defining..🤣🤣🤣
@uolamer
@uolamer Год назад
I started in the golden age and it was a great time and I had fun for years playing almost every top deck. I stuck it out during war of the spark and MH1 but I was very quickly losing patience with WOTC. One of my main complaints was they wouldn't just ban the new problem card, they would ban a format staple instead like Faithless Looting hoping that would solve the issue only to later have to ban the real problem like Hoggak. This happened several times. I was already on the verge of quitting and was watching some announce video of all the upcoming products that included Street Fighter cards, some other set printed into Modern directly, etc. I started unsleeving before the video ended and cashed out. It was the right decision.
@shorty1815
@shorty1815 Год назад
I got into Magic via Modern, bought the Modern Event deck, upgraded it and even went to a tournament with it. Now, I won't touch that format, because I don't really want to see, who can stick a Ragavan the earliest.
@RafikiafReKo
@RafikiafReKo Год назад
2016 was not only Eldrazi winter that made people loose interest. Modern had been plagued with having lots of linear decks that could win as early as turn 3 consistently and they banned the only deck that kept things in check, Splinter Twin. 2016 was when I stopped playing modern, MH2 made want to return to modern. Modern Horizon 2 has been great for Modern in general and I rather them trying to add more powerful cards than trying to push Standards powerlevel to insane hights just so Modern players buy the new set
@BrokenaeroWoW
@BrokenaeroWoW Год назад
I just came back to Magic after not playing for only 2 years or so. The modern meta was awesome and perfectly paced. Now everything is too quick, powerful, and expensive. Competitive play on MTGO is absolutely saturated with Urza's Sagas, Ragavans, and those ridiculous elementals (Fury, Grief, etc.)
@SeedingSource
@SeedingSource Год назад
Well put. Myself for example. In the past i could upgrademy modern deck with relatively ease. But after MH i cant never catch up. I couldn’t upgrade my jund deck in like a year. There was w6, eho throwed my lilis tobthe garbage, then came the monkey with lurrus and overprices baubles… soon after lurrus was gone and i had to rebuild again. Its a never ending “pay a ton or leave the store being last”. And i love modern, but this has been too much and ended up not playing magic for a while now.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
Guess modern is also a "revolving money pit" now
@jaceg810
@jaceg810 Год назад
I totally agree, although I am more of a commander player myself, it has a similar problem, the best cards are the most recent ones, with exception of a few old jank cards, overtuned ones or very specific fits. Think about modern horizon cards, tashas oracle, dockside extortionist and so on. I do like new toys, however it way too quickly invalidates decks. In the last few sets for instance a competitive urza deck could pick up a artifact tutor that is in itself an artifact, multiple other artifacts that are practically upgrades (urza's battlethopter over shimmer myr for instance or moon snare prototype over springleaf drum, or both). I do like a few new cards every now and then, however needing to reconsider 1/20th to 1/10th of the deck every half a year or so is just to much, I want to be able to dust off an old favorite and still play it just fine after a year without having the "oh, I should have put these 10 cards, too bad".
@tbone6704
@tbone6704 Год назад
old modern truly was good times. so many viable decks that didn't put you in the poorhouse.
@CyberBytee
@CyberBytee 8 месяцев назад
I've had to quit, not because I want to but because I can't afford it, and if I work more to afford it I have no time to play
@LeoniaKeilley
@LeoniaKeilley Год назад
Regardless of if we, the players, want it or not we *are* getting Modern Horizons 3 with the release of Universes Beyond: Lord of the Rings.
@MrRayRockstar
@MrRayRockstar Год назад
EDH I going through the same thing. Commander is a rotating format now. Gotta keep the stock up.
@DJBarrister
@DJBarrister Год назад
Like that the jund picture is Wrenn and Six for a tournament in 2012. 😅
@EngineerfifeninerO
@EngineerfifeninerO Год назад
I have played the entire length of modern. I remember all these events. I really liked MH or the prospect of it. Through sunken cost fallacy I bought into MH2; just as heavy. Modern players are separated by their love of a certain thing (archetypes, card styles, basics) these divides are so ingrained and deep there’s no unity. A heritage format; this only caters to entrenched players. My POV, I’m fine with this cause I own all the good cards from the “golden era”. New players this not as easy. Do I want MH3? In the interest of format shake up yes. In the perspective of banning cards, power creep, free spells, Gandalf in Modern? Idk 🤷‍♂️ can I walk away? Can I do whatever I want? Yes. Do I want too? Idk 🤷‍♂️ Roast me in the comments…
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
EDH! EDH! EDH!
@EngineerfifeninerO
@EngineerfifeninerO Год назад
@@williamdrum9899 are you actually reading the comment? Or trolling? Please contribute something. Buzz words and acronyms are not input.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Год назад
@@EngineerfifeninerO You should play edh if you want to have fun with magic again.
@EngineerfifeninerO
@EngineerfifeninerO Год назад
I have played/taken multiple personality tests at the same time , with the magic the gathering rules engine. It’s a rule zero, social contract to get into a friend. Your test answers are correct, till someone’s feelings are hurt, it doesn’t matter. Explain to me how EDH is the way forward for MTG. How does that save the LGS? What does the competitive player play? Show me where in the MTR, IPG, Comprehensive Rules tournaments for EDH are covered?
@pedroyochinori8371
@pedroyochinori8371 Год назад
Uro wasn't quickly banned, it stayed for a whole year if memory serves me right. It was milked for money for as much time as possible before any action was taken. They waited until *after* they released a secret lair version of the card before banning it.
@darkinsanity98473
@darkinsanity98473 Год назад
Absolutely obnoxious. This would have made me livid if I had been playing then. Make a sweet foil of a card, players obtain said card with the intent to play with it. Oh oops, you wanted to play with these cards. Sorry not sorry, banned.
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N Год назад
@@darkinsanity98473 The Secret Lair announcement had a note in it saying that Uro would be banned soon. They let people know in advance which I thought was surprisingly consumer-friendly from Wizards.
@darkinsanity98473
@darkinsanity98473 Год назад
@@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N Wow, I am surprised about that. Gotta begrudgingly give them a little credit there.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Год назад
In today's metagame, I don't even think Uro is format warping because of how strong MH2 is.
@jaredsmith6565
@jaredsmith6565 Год назад
Great video, I don't want a MH3 at all, but we already know that we're getting one with the LotR set too
@arjanang
@arjanang Год назад
Fullheartedly agree. 👍🏼
@austinch2533
@austinch2533 Год назад
God I miss playing Gifts Storm and having it not be a fringe deck
@ubertuna1
@ubertuna1 Год назад
Yeah well nobody misses playing against it ^^
@christopherealy8025
@christopherealy8025 Год назад
I think you're absolutely right. WoTC wants formats like modern to buy lots of packs again. They are forcing modern players into the standard grind because they see short term profits. This is exactly the kind of thing that wall-street investigator found. Printing too many cards too quickly for short term profit, while destroying the longevity and collectibility of the game itself. Hasbro doesn't care, I think. They see MTG as temporary, and are trying to pump up the numbers as much as possible. DnD is also going through something similar. A bunch of limited products squeezed between regular products and announcements of the new edition coming out. They want people to be FORCED to buy new products, or quit the hobby.
@CiscoZero
@CiscoZero Год назад
I miss the old tournaments that would be streamed. I used to watch the Grand Prix after a long day while serving in the military. 😢
@MTGDeckmasters
@MTGDeckmasters Год назад
I've been playing Modern at the same local store for the last 4 years and I have only seen a few new faces ever since I started playing. We used to be 40+ players at the Modern FNM. The store even had to ask the restaurant next door to use their tables! Nowadays, it's a miracle if they can pull 16 players on a Friday Night. They even told us they are reducing the prize pool if less than 16 people show up. The EDH event, on the other hand, consistently brings over 50 people. There are no new players getting introduced to Modern over time and some are even quitting...
@HarryMTG
@HarryMTG Год назад
😔✌️
@laynix964
@laynix964 10 месяцев назад
Interesting catching this video today. I was thinking wouldn't it be nice to have a format without the sets printed just for modern...
@icarus-wings
@icarus-wings 18 дней назад
The only difference between Standard and Modern these days is that Modern allows for cards specifically made for Modern. Otherwise Standard is based on the last THREE YEARS of sets. That’s fucking INSANE for new players to play into.
@CurdBros
@CurdBros Год назад
I 100% agree. I was a big modern fan. It was the only format I played. It has just gotten worse and worse. I think there are a ton of problems with modern, but there are two that stick out to me- Triomes and the pitch elementals. If I could get rid of anything it would be the pitch elementals. However, the triomes just make mana way to easy as well. Wren, Ragavan, Urza's saga are also issues, but I would like to see those without the triomes and pitch elementals. Modern is so gone to me I just don't know what WOTC can do now. All of the "brews" now are just a small number of cards in every deck and a slightly different win con or addition of 1 different card. The largest draw to modern was the fact that you could play your favorite deck for a long time and at least be competitive. That is gone and so are a lot of the original modern fans. From a pure play stand point the games can be entertaining, but from an overall standpoint Modern has definitely become boring and sideboard dependent. Boring and dependent are two things that inevitably cause the death of a game. We shall see what they do, but modern may be to far gone for help at this point. I hope not.
@lars_rosenberg
@lars_rosenberg Год назад
I agree and that's why I only play Paper: it's an eternal format with a wide arrange of strategies and card available, but it's super affordable and even if your deck is hit by bans or power-creeped by new cards, the cost of upgrading to the new tier 1s is what? 30-50$?
@twitchster77
@twitchster77 Год назад
_'Do I want a Modern Horizons 3?'_ Yes. Commander can always use more cards!
@themugofthenorth
@themugofthenorth Год назад
How does this only have 17k views?
@notcaboose4415
@notcaboose4415 Год назад
i like these kinds of videos
@B166ER-
@B166ER- Год назад
I stopped playing in paper altogether. Modern and Legacy were my favorite formats and were just too expensive to play in. The price of fetch lands has come down since but MH2 and Ragavan have made it impossible to get back into it at this point. I just play on arena now and I think that’s what WOTC’s goal was along.
@Scharrer23
@Scharrer23 Год назад
but even now, with lower prices, a modern manabase cost around 300-500 USD. And is only useful in certain archetypes. WotC needs to (re)print playabel lands as uncommens. Otherwise the stream of new players will decline soon.
@desunaitos6965
@desunaitos6965 Год назад
@@Scharrer23 printing them at uncommon will absolutely kill any value they have, I think a better solution is just to include them in more sets
@SiphonRayzar
@SiphonRayzar Год назад
@@desunaitos6965 Fuck their value, print them until they're valueless. So more people can actually have a chance of getting and playing with those cards.
@desunaitos6965
@desunaitos6965 Год назад
@@SiphonRayzar might as well just make everything common at that point
@SleepyStreak
@SleepyStreak Год назад
@@desunaitos6965 Or, or, just a thought. We don't have the mana base that decks are built upon, be the expensive part of the deck. And let the price be on the actual cards that do things.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Год назад
Free spells are a feels-bad, even if they're not that powerful. Modern should be the format of fetchlands and no free spells. Also, if a card is too powerful for legacy, it's too powerful for modern. Wrenn and Six is busted and Ragavan is one of the best creatures ever printed. A lot of the old cards on the banlist need to come off. It's a just that cards like Ragavan can be legal, but artifact lands can't. Artifact lands aren't a problem in any format except pauper.
@Cfp-sx2vs
@Cfp-sx2vs Год назад
I started Plating modern on Affinity and the started playing urza ThopterSword. My decks have always been good enough to bring to any FNM or RCQ only recently I switched to a new homebrew that I think is more powerful. I'd say modern right now has more room to brew but I do agree that MH1 and MH2 cards make up to much of the format staples
@garathunnuvahkin7819
@garathunnuvahkin7819 Год назад
Post Uro + Field of the Dead ban, Pre MH2 was peak Neo-modern. No monkey, no incarnations. Just look at the kinds of decks played between February 16th 2021 and June 17th 2021.
@WRATHofanima
@WRATHofanima Год назад
Great vid, much better than YT Support
@lanaalways
@lanaalways Год назад
This vid finally made me like and subscribe, really should have done so earlier
@naomexatear666
@naomexatear666 Год назад
Extended was the best format i played by far
@DeckEdge
@DeckEdge Год назад
I agree with your opinion
@asmrenthu7321
@asmrenthu7321 Год назад
What's funny is Harry himself made a video, maybe inadvertedly, showing the way to counteract the modern horizons effect only 33 videos ago...
@AustinDoubleA
@AustinDoubleA Год назад
I have an idea. Instead of printing the 30th aniv proxy’s for $1K, instead wizards should just print $1K Modern precons .Modern Challenger deck??
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 10 месяцев назад
Beautiful video, I wish I had seen it when it came out. The only thing I disagree with is faithless looting. To me it always felt like a long time coming. It felt like red brainstorm to me for a long while.
@as95ms98
@as95ms98 Год назад
As someone who started playing magic during the Return to Ravnica block, hearing the phrase "modern was designed to be cheap" just seems like such a weird concept to me. I know that was during the time when cards like Tarmogoyph were at their all time peak in terms of price, but even back then I though that modern was still way too expensive to get into. Now I WISH the price of modern was what it was back then....
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 9 месяцев назад
Pay to win is cancer. Thats the real issue. Greed kills this game. The banned list could be worked on as well. IMO there should be NO turn 2 or debatable even turn 3 combos.
@servandoturruviartes4373
@servandoturruviartes4373 Год назад
I remember seeing Ragavan at MH2 release and thinking, how long till this card gets banned. Guess that day never came 😅
@T4N7
@T4N7 Год назад
I had spent a while collecting the cheaper cards I needed n then when I had the money n most of my family n friends had stopped playing so I needed proxyless decks to go play at the cards store so I go ally dropped the funds to finish my Hardened Scales deck. But I was busy with work n couldn't get to a modern night at the LGS for 3 months n 2 months in they banned Opal... 0_o my baby!! 😭😭 The real problem with MTG is that WOTC has forgotten how to balance card power based on rarity n mana cost n colour identity. I used to teach new players by showing them Birds of Paradise cuz it is a perfectly balanced card. But it's pointless to even explain y anymore cuz new cards never follow that philosophy. They used to know how to make creatures n struggled with balancing spells n the decided to make all the spells cost more mana unless they cost more money n the creatures r basically just spells with bodies now n the bodies r just as string as the vanilla creatures used to be.
@tommygibson9025
@tommygibson9025 Год назад
Dude used to love watching the live gameplay
@Thomaszhh
@Thomaszhh Год назад
@HarryMTG good to see you got your account back mate. Was afraid we lost you permanently.
@HarryMTG
@HarryMTG Год назад
Thank you!
@Fireo0
@Fireo0 Год назад
Good Video! I just recently started playing modern, built a budget tron, realized it's not good in my meta and switched to Affinity, also for budget reasons. I could hold my own against most decks for a game or two, but the modern horizons cards are just so oppressive. Ragavan is the devil incarnate if you ask me. The problem I could identify for me and the people at my LGS is, that modern becomes stale, even though tournaments have a great variety. It just feels like a race, probably just like legacy which I have never played, but more exhausting and less fun. In Legacy and Vintage you can do degenerate things which is fun. Either you own or you get owned and no hard feelings are taken, because this overpoweredness balances out over time. In Pioneer and Pauper you get to play magic like you used to in your childhood. Cast a bunch of creatures or find a fun combo that needs 3-4 pieces to win and the game is not just over on turn 2 or 3 when a monkey attacked twice or a free elemental destroyed 2 manadorks on your side. just my 2 cents.
@Gouretoratto
@Gouretoratto Год назад
Ravioli needs t1-2 interaction or it just runs off with games. I think I remember seeing players who play an unchallenged Ragavan on turn 1 and swing right after have something like a 65% chance of winning that game just from that. The monkey has warped the format just by existing because you play around it or you get wreaked every time.
@Bloodmuffin6
@Bloodmuffin6 11 месяцев назад
Dr. Garfield himself said that the only way to keep the game alive was to have power creep or a rotating format. Looks like they decided they could make more money by doing both
@chasetheswift
@chasetheswift Год назад
Lol I just found out that today was the last day our shop runs modern.
@HarryMTG
@HarryMTG Год назад
Yikes…
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