THE RISE OF THE TAKEDA! Shogun 2 Total War - Takeda Campaign #1 

Well. I did warned you about the Uesugi didn't i? 😂 they looked at that delicious opening and didn't wait for the dessert. Although there might be a way out of this situation, imagawa isn't destroyed, if they get a way to access you, they may (emphasis on may) come to your aid.

Also, yeah, i remember now. This will be a bit long, but its important information lionheart, you need to remember this: Pay attention to clans with the "Ambitious" or "Agressive" temperant, especially if combined with untrustworthy integrity, such as "questionable" or "dishonorable". Dishonorable clans will never submit or even honor an alliance if it means that they can get more power, and will stab you the moment they get the chance, Ambitious clans especially, if they deem you weak or see a province open, or both, they will not hesitate, never trust an ambitious clan, not even as a vassal, even if they are "dependable" in integrity or loyal, that seems to just override it in my experience, especially in the full war after you beat the shogun... even though it shouldn't for the following reasons below. As far as i know, diplomacy works like this: Temperament: Is how they act when *no treaties* that bind you with military are present, such as alliances or vassalage. They basically act like that in the campaign when you made no agreements other than a trade or a few exchanges. Ambitous clans are in every way backstabby, trade and demeanor such as friendly or hostile mean nothing to them, they will feast on your distraction and if you are exhausted from war. Agressive clans will attack often, and will not surrender easily, they will come for you unless you are very scary, they might consider an alliance if you display your power. Peaceful clans can be safely ignored to an extent, they rarely attack unless you are very dishonorable or if you bully them enough, otherwise, they rather not fight in general. Integrity: Its when they honor an *alliance or vassalage* as an agreement or through military conquest. Dishonorable clans do not care about it and its doesn't weight on their decisions on if they turn on you or not. Questionable may be doable, but don't depend on it, they will turn of they smell blood in the water. And sufficient will honor most... emphasis on "most." If they start to hate you, they will begin to think on how to gain an advantage on you, they will also consider your military strength before breaking an alliance, and will not remain with you in realm divide unless the stars align or you somehow get blessed by Amaterasu herself. Dependable and onwards will honor their alliance, they will help you in wars and you can count on them, this however, should not be trusted in the realm divide event, they will still uphold the status quo if you are weak and turn on you, unless their opinion is very high and they sense that they can win by standing with you. Vassals and Allies with these traits can be trusted, but only in the realm divide you must show that you are Goku in power to keep them from drifting into betrayal. All that said, these are the reasons why i find it weird when a vassal clan with a loyal behavior decides to turn on you the moment they smell blood or weakness, just because they have the "ambitious" trait or because of the realm divide, it seems the only ones that stick with you during realm divide are the ones who are unquestionably submissive in general in every trait. I'm assuming things here given my experience, but i do believe the "Ambitious" trait overrides the integrity trait when it comes to betrayal. If so, then its either a bug, or its a genius feature. If not, then i'm paranoid. Note: Its safe to assume that all major clans, as far as i know (memory is fuzzy), will have the ambitious trait or closer to it lionheart, regardless, from experience i tell you, absolutely do not trust them regardless of the integrity. In this sense, if you are going to vassalize anyone, go for the minor clans who are in every way passive that don't have any "backstabby" traits. (If anyone knows how it works, or know that i'm wrong with something, please chime in, this way we can aid Lionheart, i tried looking for a wiki on this but didn't found much on the topic sadly). Edit: fixed some typos.

And yes, the Uesugi had the ambitious trait, much to your luck. 😂

I think I played the original shogun on like a single core pentium a lonnnnnng time ago

Lionheart request play fall of samurai campaign

That’s incredible thank you so much for sharing this! :)

@@lionheartx10 If you are interested you should check out a movie called Kagemusha. It's a great film that details a conspiracy around Shingen's death and trying to hide it from the other clans.

please please continue these this was fascinating. Any best books to get this history from?

Good resume but some mistakes: - It's in 1541 that he exiled his father who preferred his first younger brother Takeda Nobushige. Did it with the help of the most ancient retainers He never conquered all of Shinano because at least some castle were under Nagao/Uesugi control. And it's because of Murakami Yoshikiyo who after winning against Harunobu lost to Sanada Yukitaka et fled to Nagao Kagetora. - Only the 4th battle of Kawanakajima is important, others are skirmishes. At this time in 1561, Takeda Shingen was no mpre "young" with 40 yeqrs old. Yamamoto Kansuke (Takeda's strategist) create a trap to kill Uesugi Terutora (Not yet Kenshin). The Uesugi camp was in a moutain. A force of 8,000 men lead by Baba and Kosaka should force Uesugi army to descend to the river where 12,000 of Takeda Shingen men were waiting. But Terutora knew that and in the morning while the Baba and Kosaka forces were missing, the Uesugi attcked. Takeda Shingen lost his strategist and one of his brother Takeda Nobushige but managed to inflict heavy casualities to Uesugi with reinforcement. Was a phyrric victory. - The assassination attempt by his son and heir is a supposition. Maybe due to opinion divergence and Imagawa's influence. But only happen in 1564 and executed in 1565. Yoshinobu was helped by Obu Toramsa, leader of the red cavalry - Takeda Shingen didn't allied with Odaand Tokugawa for Imagawa lands, just Tokugawa but years later before invading it. The marriage with Oda was more a move by Oda Nobunaga to be sure to not have the Takeda against him while he was trying to conquer Mino. The alliance between Takeda-Hojo-Imagawa (Ko-Sou-Houn alliance) last from 1554 to 1568. Takeda Shingen invade Suruga because of Imagawa Ujizane weakness and such Hojo Ujiyasu decided to help the Imagawa. the Takeda defeat the Hojo and siege Odawara just to show the strengh. Oda was not against Shingen, he just finished conauering Mino and was aiming to help the Shogun going to Kyoto. But yeah, he was surrounded. The Imagawa even made a trade block of the salt but Uesugi Terutora decided to not participated because the poeple of the Takeda will suffer. In 1569-1570, Takeda-Tokugawa conquered all Imagawa's land but a disaccord emerge. Seems Tokugawa Ieyasu didn't respect the territories split but Takeda Shingen didn't Invade. - In 1572, the Shogun Ashikaga Yoshiaki was too dependent to Oda Nobunaga's power and Oda used the Shogun name for his own goal. Thus, the Shogun called for Daimyo to go against Oda. Asakura, Azai (old ally to Asakura so go with them even if their Daimyo was married to Oda Nobunaga's sister), Honganji (buddhist) and others little one. Uesugi was too busy conauering Etchu. Takeda used this opportunity to go to Kyoto by going south. Plus the Takeda had accpeted a powerful buddhist leader who lost to Oda and thus consider himself as a protector of it. Oda Nobunaga's decide to go as a Deamon. Takeda Shingen invaded with the biggest army the Tokugawa's territories (Tokugawa was never a vassal). He conquered a lot of castles and trap Tokugawa Ieyasu by ignoring him while he was in his castle at Hamamatsu. Angered by it, Tokugawa Ieyasu left the castle but wa waited at Mikatagahara. He was nearly killed but saved by one of his vassal who take his armor to looked like him. Tokugawa Ieyasu always remembered this lesson (he asked a picture of himselfi n a strange position. Seems because he shat himself of fear). Takeda Shingen seems to have died of illness in 1573. - In 1575, Takeda Katsuyori invaded Tokugawa's land to prove himsefl as capable as his father. Even if he was indeed a good commander, Oda Nobunaga was better. And the use of lot amount of guns and barricade stopped and killed a lot's of Takeda best generals. It's only in 1582 that Oda Nobunaga decide to end the Takeda who were doing skirmishes against him and Tokugawa. Oda Nobunaga send his heir Nobutada to end the Takeda. Went smoothly thanks to treasons. The main Takeda branch end with Katsuyori and his son seppuku.

I just finished a Takeda campaign and forgot to build the encampment and make the unit. Damn, I wanted to try them too.

​@@slaviclettuce7937 they are basically yari cav on steroids, extremely effective

With dlc*

Yeah the Ikko are warlike as hell and what's worse is they're treacherous and have their own religion. So if you try to ally with them or use diplomacy to par them off they'll betray you and it usually isn't too long until they do it. Which wastes whatever you used to deal with them. This tracks though because historically the Ikko was a religious movement that was also a peasant rebellion fundamentally opposed to the ruling class. So the Ikko hated the daimyo and samurai and it was tied to their religious beliefs. So naturally they wouldn't work with any daimyo or if they did it wouldn't last long.

AI agent and fleet spam are a pain in the ass though.

Wow, I've played some Total Wars but never started capaign rated as harder that normal

@@DillsyYourDaddy67 unless my history is clouded by Samurai Warriors games, I believe the eldest was actually married off to the daughter of Tadakatsu Honda as well, who was Ieyasu's most respected retainer. so even playing the game he had aces whilst the rest were playing with pairs. I can see why Ieyasu actually chastised his son for killing Masayuki when he did. the man was a legend in his own time, nevermind his sons

Also with shogun 2, most basic infantry is spear men so you really have to be careful with cav, you need to be hitting spear men in the flanks after they are pinned by infantry, and never when the spear men arent already in melee. and yes mountains do matter a lot in shogun 2. thirdly hitting then pulling back and charging again is very important for cav and doing damage and breaking the enemy moral.

Shingen is perhaps most famous for his use of the cavalry charge at the Battle of Mikatagahara. The strength of Shingen's new tactic became so famous that the Takeda army came to be known as the Kiba Gundan (騎馬軍団), or 'mounted army'. Up until the mid-16th century and Shingen's rise to power, mounted samurai were primarily archers. There was already a trend at this time towards larger infantry-based armies, including a large number of foot archers. In order to defeat these missile troops, Shingen transformed his samurai from archers to lancers.

I believe so / from one of the trailers etc. I’ll see if I can find out.

Not aware of a mod off the top of my head but I’m sure there must be one / a way of continuing past the end date.

RTX 4080

And as a side note, if your honor does sink low you get 1 back for every living vassal you have

Sorry I’ve not got around to it yet but the only mods I’m using are visual only mods no effect on gameplay so you can dive in straight away if you want to follow along! I’m using Real Armies and Sengoku Campaign retexture mods on steam workshop

I played fall of the samurai recently but yeah haven't played the base game for agessssss