It seems that the enemy understimated the tactics, equipment, and training of the smaller army. They even surprised them with chariots and better archers. I mean the enemy pretty much only had a volley or two of mostly fiery arrows.
No it works as long as you have enough Calvary. As long as the horses have momentum, the shield wall will fall a the lines will fall into chaos. The first or second wave of horses should break the lines enough for the rest of the Calvary to go in as well as the foot soldiers
"if you doubt that these people need killing, think of this. The Greeks throw their own children into fires! What kind of people do that? What kind of people are proud of that?!
Horse: ''Hey do you see those spears they are holding up? I bet they will use them against us once we get close.'' Rider : ''Nah they are bluffing, keep going.''
This is a surprisingly accurate description of cavalry charges. If the infantry panick and break their lines it works %100 of the times that it works. Otherwise it is a shamefurr diplay
I love how Rhesus’s only real battle plan was to charge, shoot flaming arrows and then run at the enemy himself while his men were being routed! Did they really need Hercules to train their men for this?!
Yes, actually. The Thracians in the movie that Hercules trains are not soldiers - they are farmers and peasant-folks. Majority of the soldiers had joined Rhesus' rebellion. Rhesus was expecting an army of peasants who still erroneously supported the tyrant king - not a toughened, disciplined army, led by none other than a famed demigod son of Zeus himself. He expected this to be the final battle of their rebellion, but didn't expect to lose - which he did.
Rhesus: "Your legend ends today son of zeus" Also Rhesus: Send hunderds of men on cavalry,they all get pwned by arrows and a demigod with a club,they litterely dont get a single kill for their trouble. Also Rhesus: Once his men are close to the enemy and the lines are mixed THAN he gives the order to fire arrows at them....like lead with that mby? Also Rhesus: Seeing hundreds of cavalry units die WITHOUT KILLING A SINGLE ENEMY ,after they all start running away,AFTER the battle is clearly over,he decides it's "solo carry clutch o clock" and decides to take on "the son of zeus" and his entire army litteraly by himself....like did he forget he is just a mere mortal who cant even throw a horse with one hand,the fuck was he expecting? The achilies heel of movies like that is the damn lack of any half decent villains,I have seen 9 year olds who throw tempter tantrums beeing more stategic and analitical about their actions than this "though guy battle hardened" general.
it did not look like Rhesus's army was outnumbering anyone either in fact I would say they looked like they were even outnumbered. Not to mention chariots are op af
@@coolsolder No, Rhesus’s army was at least a third larger but their sloppy death for glory charge stretched their forces so thin, their army was briefly outnumbered and outflanked by a smaller enemy force that did a better job staying in formation.
LynxYt _ flaming arrows never worked in battle and you don’t charge any wall off men with cavalry even when they have not got pikes this battle was not realistic in any way
@@carmen071972 honestly. all things considering. not so bad. at least they had shield walls and helmets . most of the popular tv doesn't use either nowadays.
"so what's the battle plan sir?" "we charge. Straight ahead." "Oh, okay. And what if the enemy out maneuvers us?" "We shall fire our flaming arrows into our own troops to ensure the enemy cannot kill them."
@@Warcodered01, nah, they learnd from the best of the best, from the legendary defenders of Winterfell. But they fortgot to place some artillery in front of their line for one - two shots without aiming, that is why they lost here.
This made absolutely no tactical sense. Why charge heavy cavalry such a LONG distance and into a shield wall full of spears? Why use flaming arrows when there's nothing to catch fire? Why the hell run your men such a great distance for them to tire out before even getting near that phalanx? Why are his men armored and equipped so well but basically just attacking all at once with absolutely no strategy? They might as well if all been farmers with pitch forks
First of all there was no strategical sense in the enemy side, like none at all(bad scripting from the film makers). Second, a little fun fact: the recorded wars throughout history have many biases examples of those include the recorded number of soldiers on each side of the war, some exaggerated them as saying 'we were outnumbered 5:1 and we won' or something like that. Some were indeed outnumbered, however, not by as much as proclaimed, and the reason for those false records are due to the obvious and stated as quote "history is written by the winner". Some came back from insanely bloody wars at which they had massive disadvantages but still managed to win, so obviously after they came back home we can imagine either the soldiers or the people repeating the story with exaggerated details.
it's very intersting to see an army marching with zero supply, no food carts, no tents for night camping, just soldiers with arms, the enemy didn't even had to attack them in order to win :)
did you watched the movie? they were in a campaign, not just outside city walls, even in this clip it says ,,Thracian Border" so they are far away from theire ,,city state''
The Rock (human player): Puts army in Shield Wall and defends the flanks. Enemy (AI player): Rams horses straight into the wall of spears and dies. WP GG
Somehow enemy general is so stupid... he doenst make useful his advantage number.. he has huge cavalry, fire arrow, huge light infantry.. u can just encircle them and shot them with fire arrow ... and just make them frustrated by ur arrow... and just run into wood... heavy armor infantry is not well fighter in the wood...
@@gerrygunawan4130 he thought that he would crush enemy army but he didn't know that the army had lighter, more durabble armor and that they were also trained by Hercules and others
I think that's the point...from the film, a shieldwall was a totally novel tactic. If we accept that, within the film's timeline, a shieldwall was indeed something new, then yeah it is plausible that the cavalry would have tried a frontal charge. PLUS, alot of time Cavalry were to try and spook the opposing army, not neccessarily fight. PLUS, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stirling_Bridge shows at least one instance of cavalry charging spears!
generally having cavalry charge into a shieldwall is a genuine tactic. 1 rider breaks up like 4 to 6 spearmen and if you have the footmen directly behind them you can create a gap ina shieldwall very easily.
@SheepieWorks I'm sorry but that is utterly and total bullshit. Only way for a cav to successfully charge and break up a shield wall is the way Alexander did it: close in wedge formation. Properly supported by light infantry to exploit the gap immediately. What we see on the screen is not even remotely close to that.
No your right and they got their shit wrong in the movie cause Hercules is the Roman equivalent of Heracles the Greek version so Zeus should be Jupiter instead
Alexander the Great was Greek and he was one of the greatest conquerers of all time. The Spartans were some of the worlds best soldiers and they were Greek as well. The Romans weren't the only ones who could come up with "awesome battle plans".
Good camera work, and at least one side used tactics this time. An improvement over what passes for battle in other movies, but there is more to aspire to.
Saturate the ground with tar and other flammables and cook their wall from below.. lets see their discipline while their balls are on fire lol.. or shoot some bags with flammables first on top of them and then let fire archers alight it.. Once theres chaos charge in cavalry and mop them up.. always works in total war (just the fire archers tho lol)
I’m sorry but I’m a history battle tactics nerd soo the reason they did it is because they had a small chance of getting past but could destroy pikes for the next wave.then could push in ground infantry to make a gap for other horses if they where smart they would do that and I’m sorry for being a nerd
3:00 It is over, cotius. Mount asticus on your front, the woods at your back Cotius: *LOL this is actually my advantage since falanx's only weakness is lack of mobility and anti-flanking*
Fr idk if anyone has said this already but I like how this movie blends myth into Reality. Like history likes to exaggerate scenes from history to make them feel like out of this world battles but in Reality it’s just stories about great men fighting other great men from history.
Hell, even i thought this was a step down for the rock, and thats....not really saying anything.......tbh, considering his acting capabilities. Anyway, this movie sucked so badly i felt myself getting ill just watching it.
@Thejackhack927 My Dads Gone lol yeah a crazy dude is more dangerous than an imaginary ghost XD. I'll have my mace ready haha jk I have to build one first. It's a good weapon better than a baseball bat or hockey stick. Plus it'll make thieves crap their pants and run away with their tails tucked.
I love when just before the first attack when he is giving his speech he says"Death or Victory" That reminds me of Adolf Hitler in WW2. His motto was always"Death or Victory" RIP