THE ROOT CAUSES Of Acne & How To Prevent It | Mark Hyman

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Acne is the number-one skin condition in the United States, affecting not just millions of teenagers but an increasing number of adults under the guise of hormones. Typically, the first thing we reach for to deal with acne is a lotion, potion, or cream to apply to the skin-and conventional medicine doctors frequently prescribe birth-control pills. However, these approaches do not target the root cause of acne.
In this episode of my Masterclass series, I am interviewed by my good friend and podcast host, Dhru Purohit, about the biggest triggers of acne, why we all react differently, and the top nutrients for skin health. We also discuss some frequently asked questions from our community about acne during puberty and more.
Dhru Purohit is a podcast host, serial entrepreneur, and investor in the health and wellness industry. His podcast, The Dhru Purohit Podcast, is a top 50 global health podcast with over 30 million unique downloads. His interviews focus on the inner workings of the brain and the body and feature the brightest minds in wellness, medicine, and mindset.
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@theartgirl777 Год назад

Having severe cystic acne is so deflating to one’s self esteem…it leads to anxiety and depression, especially as a mature adult. I have such deep compassion for those who suffer from this.

@loue6563 2 года назад

A friends teen boy that had a horrible time with acne. He was on all these meds and getting skin treatments. Without much success I told her it could be his diet. To stop the junk food and sugar. He finally did and within a few weeks his skin was fine again. He wasn’t happy about giving up the junk food and started eating it again. But his skin broke out again. So he stopped for good and has great skin.

@loue6563 2 года назад

@Andy Accutane Journey have you tried changing your diet?? It really can make such a difference. My friend’s son stopped eating fast food. So many of the oils they use are not good for your skin and tea your whole body. Milk was a big one for him as well as grain and sugar. It made a complete difference for him. He is off of all meds and rarely has a break out.

@vickiegroome3220 2 года назад

Another option to consider is sleeping on 100 percent cotton sheets (white no colors ).

@KMx108 2 года назад

@Andy Accutane Journey I took Accutane as a teen but still had acne into my 30s until I cut out dairy and processed foods.

@SandyCheeks63564 Год назад

@Andy Accutane Journey how's it going? Did you fix your diet and improve your acne? They have better treatments now for the scarring than they used to. Microneedling being one. But when the redness goes away, and it well, the scarring won't look nearly as bad.

@SandyCheeks63564 Год назад

I did almost everything wrong for my daughter, ate lots of sugar while I was pregnant, because my Lamaze nurse said all we needed was the extra calories in an extra piece of cake - but anyway I had a horrible diet anyway and I think that set up my daughters preferences for an almost all carb diet as well. the one saving grace was that I did nurse her for 2 1/2 years. And that may be why she lucked out with a perfect creamy complexion, never one earache, no need for any antibiotics at all her whole childhood, no need for glasses are braces, no weight issues, etc. So I would say nursing is pretty important.

@PeaceNinja007 Год назад

Perfect creamy complexion .. i've never heard that expression till now lol

@akanshakarira3042 5 месяцев назад

So why do some obese people not have acne? Why do some people not get one pimple even after eating sugar and dairy daily

@5sick2 4 месяца назад

I ask the same thing . I think it’s just the fact that everyone is different/:

@mandalbad 2 дня назад

Me and brother age difference of 19 months, same lifestyle, same school, same diet, same parents, same sleep and wakeup times Almost everything same but i had massive face and back acne and my brother had none.

@jimpanse1638 2 года назад

Eating liver occasionaly and taking zinc/magnesium supplements really helped me with my acne that was more of version in which my whole face had clogged up pores and deep under skin pimples. Also collagen supplements or3 bone broth is good for clean skin.

@johnlehew8192 Год назад

Did some experiments as this has been an issue for me for 40 years. Haven’t resolved it but it is better. Tried Vitamin E and that helps prevent the big, deep ones. Zinc helps heal them faster. Have to look at % daily requirements on vitamins. Easy to take too much vitamin E. Hard to find Zinc and Magnesium vitamins that have more than 10% daily so check the amounts. Just started Keto and eating much more meat and fats. Trying to stop sugar. That is helping too

@futureself401 2 года назад

Hit the mark on this my chest and stomach breaks out so much when I eat sugar and processed carbs been healing it for a couple of weeks been going strong!

@bbsaid218 2 года назад

Cooking with lard made the biggest improvement in my skin.

@baby.jaeeee Год назад

I eat very healthy, high quality foods. (Half plate veggies, 1/4 complex carbs), 1/4 protein) and I make sure to add healthy fats. I barely ever have dairy, sugar. I get good sleep, drink lots of water. I exercise regularly, I am very joyful, not aware of any stress. Whyyyy have I been breaking out on my chin/cheeks for a year?? I don’t seem to have gut issues with bowel movements etc. My skincare is “top notch” according to derms, I even change my pillowcase EVERY DAY! I live a low-tox lifestyle. It makes no sense

@SandyCheeks63564 Год назад

my theory is that my boyfriends skin oils caused my terrible breakouts I only had while dating him. He had bad skin, and also high testosterone I'm guessing.

@baby.jaeeee Год назад

@@SandyCheeks63564 UPDATE: I FOUND THE ROOT CAUSE! Finally bit the bullet and saw a naturopathic doctor to get to the root cause. Got a GI map test, hormones, blood yadda yadda taken and BOOM! Found out I contracted h. Pylori , which has caused an overgrowth of other bacteria’s in my gut, my female hormones to be a little on the high end and the inability to digest fats for now. On an 8 week protocol I just started today but the doc said my skin should def be clear within 2-3 months 👏👏🥹

@mariamtee Год назад

@jaezewde thanks for the update. According to Chinese face mapping chin and jaw breakouts are from hormonal issues and lower cheek acne from the gut and I find this to be completely accurate

@SandyCheeks63564 Год назад

@@baby.jaeeee good luck! Let us know how it goes. The other thing is that vegan diet or not very healthy. I keep hearing about vegans and vegetarians getting terrible auto immune diseases and cancer. I don't know if it's all the greens all the anti-nutrients in the vegetables, or the lack of nutrients you would get in meats and other animal products.

@baby.jaeeee Год назад

@@SandyCheeks63564 thank you! I’m 1 month in and the texture has gone down a lot!

@jeanmarston8703 2 года назад

My rosacea went away when I cleaned up my diet (cut sugar and high amount of carbs).

@aimeelyndeleon1 2 года назад

The state of our skin microbiome/barriers are also really key to keeping acne at bay. Great info overall though!

@CollinsBlessings-rj2fz Год назад

I work at a children's home in south Africa and if there was a cure for HIV, I thank I would literally cry my eyes out for a week straight!🩸 so many precious little lives. born with this horrible disease. Thank you for your research and please don't sell out to big pharma!🙏 I am begging you❤❤😮😮

@amazingjane2703 4 месяца назад

Diet. Diet. Diet.

@vasilikispitadaki7477 2 года назад

You have been sharing amazing information with us!! Thank you so much!!

@booboobearify 2 года назад

IM 40 AND HAVE SUFFERED MY WHOLE LIFE W ACNE. KETO IS THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS MY ACNE AT BAY ❤🙏❤👍❤🙏 Did dairy free though!!

@geekermeister6322 Год назад

which means you have a fungal or bacterial issue. Keto puts your body into a constant cortisol releasing state. Cortisol being anti inflammatory

@Minabobina007 Год назад

I did keto and broke out all over!! I lost so much muscle and messed up my hormones 😭

@booboobearify Год назад

@@geekermeister6322 what do u suggest

@booboobearify Год назад

@@geekermeister6322 i did keto dairy free

@geekermeister6322 Год назад

@@booboobearify there’s a lot of herbal remedies I could suggest. For starters, are you male or female?

@varietythespiceoflife3953 2 года назад

I get pimples on my back, butt and thighs when I eat sugar .

@themaxjenkinson 2 года назад

Even if you eat pure white sugar with nothing else? Try adding sugar to coffee without anything else. Sugar is just fuel without nutrients, it's easy to digest and assimilate. Assuming sugar being inherently bad makes no sense while looking at out digestive system or our metabolism.

@viome8797 2 года назад

@@themaxjenkinson - sugar=inflamation (gut bacterial change etc.etc...)

@jillfield3102 2 года назад

I wish I had known abut sugar being bad for you when I was a young adult,I had acne from age 19 until 40 . Now at almost 80 I have no spots , on Keto best skin ever.👍💖🇬🇧 all I ever eat was sweet things , along with fruit. No dinners. I was always told ,it was nothing to do with what I eat.

@jillfield3102 2 года назад

@Lion & The Lamb no not really , I didn’t eat veg ,no salad and not much meat , plenty of cake and sweets 😱 but I was full of energy .

@PeaceNinja007 Год назад

100% agree Couple years ago I was suffering from severe food intolerance, I could no longer consume things like milk ... severe bloating, widespread body fungal infections, eczema, psoriasis, body acne, even pre diabetes .. I mustered up the strength to go full 8 months absolute zero sugar, zero carbs without fail not once during those months. Not even a little snack. I was taking a wide range of probiotics and natural supplements to assist in the process. I reversed everything on that list.

@madj7152 Год назад

Can you still drink lactose free milk???

@PeaceNinja007 Год назад

@@madj7152 I can have normal milk now after I recovered. Never tried lactose free milk during that time tho so I don’t know if it would’ve made a difference

@madj7152 Год назад

@@PeaceNinja007 okay. Can you tell more about your health issues back then? Did you have candida overgrowth??

@PeaceNinja007 Год назад

@@madj7152 Sure. And yes. I did have candida overgrowth. I had a variety of different symptoms: severe bloating , intolerance to foods i normally ate , widespread fungal infections ,nasty hot breath in the morning , eczema , a psoriasis plaque on my arm, lots of hair falling out, blurry vision, weight gain, and prediabetic blood sugar whiplashes .

@uorinami5345 Год назад

what about now? do you still eat those foods in moderation? im cutting out dairy and sugar for 3 months to see what happens

@elenaortega5459 2 года назад

Did this doctor really said "really?" when you said that ivermectin was also used for covid? 🤦‍♀️...really???

@bhok1971 3 месяца назад

Yeah he still believes 😂

@SSJfraz 2 года назад

Hey Mark. What is your view on skin purging? I'm currently into my 4th week of a gluten and dairy free keto diet and have been breaking out in cystic acne on my face since the 1st week. My only source of sugar and carbs comes from fresh fruit that is low on the glycemic index. Everything else consists of a wide variety of vegetables and non processed meat, fish and poultry. I just hope this is my immune system adjusting and detoxifying as my skin looks horrendous at the moment. 😞

@holyhellal 2 года назад

my son had a similiar problem ,,i put him on a very high quality cod liver oil supplement ,,this fixed his problem ,,the main reason is the high quality vit A ,,in the product

@messisinpelo4244 Год назад

bro you gotta drop the fruits , no fruits are not as healthy as were before , fruits now have too many sugars, try cutting the sugar and you'll see

@Soksara Год назад

How are you, what is happening at this moment?! Please let me know

@Anon-nv7bp 10 месяцев назад

@@messisinpelo4244 fruits are fine, they don't cause acne, and fructose in fruits is good for you, unlike processed/refined sugar. Fruit juice possibly does acne, but not fruits. If OP wants he could try avoiding bananas, apples, and other high glycemic index fruits. I tried that myself, ate no fruits but berries, and then no fruits at all, but neither helped my acne. Now I eat most fruits apart from apples and it doesn't cause me any acne. Sugar, seed oils, and fatty red meat does though.

@sprite2797 9 месяцев назад

Acne just aint fair man sucks when people rub it in your face too , like im trying i wish i could have it nice like you

@DamienMearns Год назад

I find strep is an issue with acne, so sipping water that has cayenne pepper in it, making sure it hits the back of the throat can be very effective

@MelissaSusan1997 Месяц назад

Thank you for this information!! I recently had something like strep throat and my cheeks are breaking out.

@tawnyalessandra 2 года назад

Me drinking skim milk lattes everyday in high school even though I had horrible acne because I thought it was a great way to get lean protein 🤦🏼‍♀️...

@redemptionhappens7725 2 года назад

I did the same and had horrid skin.

@lablabdog 2 месяца назад

I mixed my whey protein powders w milk when I had terrible cystic acne in my 20s. Little did I know, they were causing it bc I switched to a nondairy protein and my skin cleared up

@allhimwithme5115 Год назад

I've been intermittent fasting along with some 3-day and a 4-day fasts during the last six months and in the process I've *_healed a severe histamine intolerance._* And I still have rosacea. I obviously healed my gut permeability and flora diversity and disbiosis if my severe asthmatic histamine response is TOTALLY RESOLVED. So what is going on with my skin that it isn't responding to what I did to heal my gut?

@eveg.2311 Год назад

Oh hey! Me too! I have been intermittent fasting. I noticed that there are some other "healthy" foods that still aren't good for the gut. May I ask what foods you stopped? Edit: Oh! I have Rosacea Subtype 2

@eveg.2311 Год назад

Advanced glycation end products: dairy, red meat (pork, beef, lamb..), refined sugar or any carbohydrates that have a high glycemic index: pasta & 🍞 including whole wheat, gluten in general, white 🍚 (although stopped any rice for the high arsenic contamination), oats, agave syrup, fruit without its fiber skin (it controls sugar levels)

@eveg.2311 Год назад

I do have a feeling that most grains & too much legumes are heavy on the gut lining.

@amazingjane2703 4 месяца назад

Its a histamine problem. Antihistamines! Natural is best eg ginger but whatever floats your boat.

@blitheixgaming1289 11 месяцев назад

I remembered when i was 13 yrs old when i theorised that dairy and sugar caused acne. I went on a keto diet for a month and i lost so much weight and had clear skin. Keep in mind i was a fat pimpled face kid at that age. Seeing this is funny because i was right all along.

@truthzson2038 Год назад

Its all starts in the heart and mind. ... I am glad i found your channel.. Brilliantly put. If you dont have money for this testing.. What would you recommend?

@Westez499 2 года назад

Hi thanks for the podcast. Couple of questions for you. All this low carb dieting and lifestyle is based on the premise that you switch from using high carbs to high saturated fat. So how an earth can saturated fat now be bad for you if combined with the carbs?? Also if vitamin d sufficiency is a sun exposure sufficiency why doesn´t a vitamin d supplementation work then?

@Sjj827 2 года назад

When I started keto, I got the keto rash and it was terrible, spreading all over my face, back, neck and chest. It was like itchy red pimples all over. I started eating carbs and they went away. I guess my body was detoxing.

@kacperjedrejek 6 месяцев назад

are sugars from fruits such as apples and bannanas still causers of inflamation?

@meowstube6899 4 месяца назад

@bhok1971 3 месяца назад

Yes sugar is sugar

@tiareynolds5728 Год назад

Dr. Hyman, what about pitted scars? Can that be healed holistically?

@notolerance8218 Год назад

I think tallow grass fed works has skin healing vitamins.

@logwind Год назад

Evidently I need a food sensitivity test because I don't know what else to do. Keto and intermittent fasting didn't solve it.

@bibbidi_bobbidi_bacons 10 месяцев назад

Great conversation appreciate the experience

@davidaustrian9455 2 года назад

Some people get acne, some go bald, some get fat, some get hairy, some people are born ugly or stupid. It is just one of Those things in life you hope does not happen to you. Adversity is a test of character.

@KrishanKumar-ec1ch 6 месяцев назад

It is the problem of human food . Cooking food , modified food , making own food created diseases. Where animals no balding ,no acne ,no supplement because we are eating our own food

@Alan-n2f 2 месяца назад

not the whole treatment plan . if you got oily skin, you have to keep it under control, not just what you eat.

@yerilove8465 3 месяца назад

Can someone summary? I dont have time watching a whole video cause i have a headache

@annegabels6680 7 месяцев назад

which herbs help with acne?

@jadelilly4259 2 года назад

More on acne and gut plzzz

@futureflow8645 2 года назад

What type of parasites did the cystic acne patient had?

@RickSanchezc-xh3ky 11 месяцев назад

Has anyone noticed increasing acne while taking whey protein or it’s just me? I don’t think whey protein creates acne but I’ve noticed it increases my acne

@annelieschulze3945 11 месяцев назад

yes thats normal, I think the milk powder in there is the reason. I got gut issues from it so I switched to plant based powder

@marivanmendes2841 11 месяцев назад

I’m here just because of that. This shit made my face start getting a lot of acne. It’s insane. I stopped it and it went away, I started it again, and it started the once once more

@RickSanchezc-xh3ky 11 месяцев назад

@@marivanmendes2841 whey protein didn’t start my acne. It is maybe helping those acne growing tho

@RickSanchezc-xh3ky 11 месяцев назад

@@annelieschulze3945 but I’ve been drinking tea and coffee with milk powders for years. Also I can tolerate lactose pretty well so I don’t know why whey protein is maybe making my acne worse

@annelieschulze3945 11 месяцев назад

@@RickSanchezc-xh3ky mhh could also be the added sugar? Or just the amount of milk powder... maybe switch to plant based and see if you notice a difference ?

@unavailable7666 5 месяцев назад

53:10 first one borage oil, second haven't got a clue .

@dlt9584 7 месяцев назад

i was vegetarian since birth & turn vegan before 2 year i’m not eating any dairy products but still suffering from cystic acne what can i do

@bhok1971 3 месяца назад

Eat MEAT🎉

@Its2Bros 3 месяца назад

what about fruit? is fruit bad?

@JackieMoss 6 месяцев назад

Mark, your arrogance precedes you.

@stoqn1streetfitness 2 года назад

2:20 when you eat bad foods often, your body gets used to it and doesn't react. The immune system doesn't give sings

@VoiceoverMomentum 2 года назад

I hope you’re Ok, Dr H. Dark circles. Hope it’s just a cold. well wishes from a fellow Mercury poison victim. Level 97!

@yocogal Год назад

What is the cause of lichen sclerosus and is there anything to do to treat? Thank you

@daryllperry1460 2 года назад

Can you please address Mast Cell Activation Syndrome? Recently diagnosed. 😬

@susanc9618 2 года назад

I missed the name of the doctor he is interviewing about rosacea

@madihaalam4566 2 года назад

Any supplement which has all the mentioned vitamins and essentials?

@davidaustrian9455 2 года назад

There are many people who gorge themselves on sugary foods, chocolate, ice cream etc…, most people do not get acne from it. There are many people who have deplorable diets, full of junk food, most do not get acne. Getting acne is just bad luck, the luck Of the draw in life as they say.

@themaxjenkinson 2 года назад

Some people smoke all of their lives but don't get lung cancer. Lung cancer and smoking is just bad luck! Wtf are you on about. Just because some people have better capacity to deal with physiological stress when it comes to the specific symptom of acne doesn't mean it's bad luck. No hunter gatherer population ever studied had one case of acne. It is not normal in human physiology, it's a modern problem. Eating bad causes systemic problems. For some this results in acne in other it results in gastrointestinal problems, sleep issues, joint problems, autoimmune problems. It is not bad luck, it is bad education and bad choices. Stop opting out of making good decisions son.

@blissfulbaboon Год назад

A bubble bath music and candle are 3 things I can handle😊

@great567 Год назад

I’m pretty sure generations before our parents had worse skin and hair. I’m not saying processed food isn’t bad for you, but you can find negative things that can impact your health even in the meat you eat because the animal releases high levels of cortisol while it’s being killed. As someone who suffered from acne and every form of auto immune disorders all of these findings are fun but in the end nothing works like modern medicine to beat acne for good

@JeanPaulUS Год назад

Why is goat milk considered better in terms of gut issues?

@KrishanKumar-ec1ch 6 месяцев назад

I think because it is easily digestible but my father drank goat millk ,own goat till 33 but he has digestion issues . He can't digest milk + Humans destroyed milk by boiling it and they drink boil milk but my father himself hitting is internal health he still drinks milk when he knows it doesn't suit his body and next day so much never seen burps . Other thing few people know even if u are taking milk or it's products they should be taken alone ,they ferment in gut if consume with other things. My father once ate curd with whole wheat and same thing and he will do the same thing It doesn't matter even if a doctor will tell him

@Scoobylife 2 года назад

Great info! Who is the 2nd guest?

@shantellehowe7648 2 года назад

Can I get the link to the poop stool test?

@redemptionhappens7725 2 года назад

Coffee and cows milk are also terrible for your skin.

@aliciamartinez853 Год назад

I guess it's different for everyone. Organic, mold tested, black coffee never did anything to my skin, ever. Now, milk is an entirely different story. All forms of dairy caused me cystic acne on my forehead, cheeks, chin and jawline. I eliminated dairy after going carnivore January 1st, 2019 but kept the black coffee (2 cups per day). It took my skin an entire 3 months to completely heal and for the first time in my adult life, I actually had skin that I was comfortable in and some family members had even commented that it appeared I had dewy and glowing skin. That was a massive confidence booster and further confirmation that dairy and I didn't get along.

@KrishanKumar-ec1ch 6 месяцев назад

@@aliciamartinez853was sugar problem for u in acne

@shantellehowe7648 2 года назад

What is the name of the poop test!?

@KennyRogers8972 6 месяцев назад

acne has nothing to do with eating sugar 🤦‍♂️

@sallysue8176 5 месяцев назад

It absolutely does

@KennyRogers8972 5 месяцев назад

@@sallysue8176 no 😂, whenever I increase sugar consumption my skin clears out

@Michaelc-cb7jc 4 месяца назад

@@KennyRogers8972you aren’t the centre of the world

@neritzayelena 2 года назад

IS IN THE BIBLE . MY PEOPLE WILL PARISH FOR THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE..! Thank you Mark for teaching all the basis for a healthy life style . To your health . !! 🤗😇🙏😎🇺🇸🇵🇦👌

@lcm2023 2 года назад

Who is “Todd”?

@carolinafleming2853 2 года назад

Excelente

@ardenpeters4386 2 года назад

mark you aren't looking well lately. besides darker tan. r u ok your eyes look tired too

@miracoli16 2 года назад

Yes, he looks exhausted and skinny.

@JackieMoss 6 месяцев назад

3rd divorce wears you out

@carolpaventi1285 2 года назад

I can't remember I'm too busy why can't you just put a Blue Link and we should go straight to you.

@nasirmukhtar3796 2 года назад

I eliminated sugar, dairy & gluten from my diet for 7 months but it didn't really help my adult acne. I was also taking EFA supplements at this time which caused me sleep apnea/chocking at night, ruining my sleep. So I don't know what else is the cause of my acne, given up on the Functional Medicine approach

@redemptionhappens7725 2 года назад

Could be coffee. I cut down to only 4oz a day and my skin still flared up! Finally just stopped drinking coffee. Now my skin is fine.

@nasirmukhtar3796 2 года назад

@@redemptionhappens7725 I don't drink coffee

@nidhimehta1244 2 года назад

I have the same issue. I eat extremely healthy, fast , exercise. Try a holistic approach.

@nasirmukhtar3796 2 года назад

@@nidhimehta1244 I can't afford to spend anymore money on alternative therapies, kind of lost trust in them for now

@nidhimehta1244 2 года назад

@@nasirmukhtar3796 oh I understand henceforth I suggested have a holistic approach. Read a book named Heal your Body by Louise Hay, research about epigenetics. Talk to yourself.

@OuissamB7 8 месяцев назад

are potatoes inflammatory foods?? (starch)

@lablabdog 2 месяца назад

Depends on how your stomach reacts. If you get bloated after eating potato, then it’s an inflammatory food

@jenniferwegman1002 Год назад

My almost 25 year old daughter has been suffering from hormonal acne for so long with no success from the Dermatologist….in listening to you podcast now…how should she take the supplements and ultra prostagen? What amounts? Thank you for your help….

@Manginii Год назад

Maybe my experience with my own acne can help here. The first step is to stop eating carbohydrates. For me Keto was the way to go but there are of course other options. You will see the results pretty fast. But maybe it can take 1 or 2 months. With Vitamins you'll get the results faster. Like Vitamin A (Carrotin), Vitamin B3,B5,B12 Magnesium, Zinc.. But the most important step is to stop eating sugar at all. It is a lifestyle choice and has way more benefits than just stopping acne. I hope your daughter gets better and I wish you the best :) because I know how painful it can be

@innehaudrey1093 Год назад

@@Manginiithank you for your explaintion.i am going to do that, i had the same issues. God bless you

@Manginii Год назад

@@innehaudrey1093 i wish you the best, take care!

@olgab3579 2 года назад

great topic but Mark looks awful these days.. Too skinny.. like Defoe' Robinson, facial hair that make him look older, burping constantly during the interview... However I appreciate all you guys do and the valuable info shared each podcast 💗