Small correction everyone - as has been mentioned in the comments, we mistakenly took the Canadian price for some of the coolers being used. Average USD prices are below. Sorry about that!: AG620 - $55 AG500 - $40 AG400 -$25 LT720 - $140 LT520 - $110
I don't usually watch this channel for CPU reviews but this review was very useful information. If all you do is gaming then you do not need a liquid AIO for an AMD cpu.
@@VoldoronGaming a watercooling custom isn’t necessary for gaming with that cpu ? I’m playing 10 hours straight as competitor ..AIO 360 mm will be good enough ?(playing Fortnite 1080p competitive settings CPU matter a lot in that game )
It was good to see the power draw and temp comparisons, especially since I am running an SFF system and was considering upgrading to one of the X3D CPUs.
Before you do that I'd VERY much double check if the cooler you choose is compatible with the motherboard of choice. I mentioned this quickly in our RX 7900 XTX ITX build video but a lot of ITX air coolers are either not compatible with AM5 OR they're compatible but they end up hitting the motherboard's heatsinks.
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks for the heads up. I am currently using an EVGA CLC 280mm AIO shoehorned in the Hyte Revolt 3. Not sure if the EVGA AIO is compatible with AM5. Do you know if it is? Coming from a 3900xt.
Wow! I'm really impressed with how thorough you were with this review, Mike. There's a lot of cross-referenced use case testing here you just don't see on other review channels. One use case for this CPU which I don't see getting much mention is for gaming while streaming. In most (high-end) gaming scenarios, the GPU will be at or close to 99% utilization, while the CPU (especially with 16 cores) will often sit at under 20% utilization. With a CPU like this, you can use CPU encoding while streaming to make use of those underutilized cores, with zero impact to gaming framerates, all without the need for a separate streaming PC.
Thanks! really appreciate the feedback. To be honest with you, we didn't know which way to go with this one but figured this would be a lot more useful information (with a few actual benchmarks thrown in) rather than repeating what everyone else says.
@@TheRealSkeletor my 5600x stay super stable with a -30 curve optimizer with a 90 w max tdp and +100mhz for max boost (although it reaches that +100 mhz only on single core loads due to the 90 w limit i imposed)
@@TheRealSkeletor I'm sure 3dcache ccd can handle it (like almost every 5800x3d in existence). Maybe the second ccd wont. Still worth the try as it is the only way to boost performance on these chips.
Nice review! As a mITX geek I'm more interested in power consumptions and temps than just pure perfomance under extreme cooling solutions. Really interested how upcoming 7800X3D will perform under miniITX coolers).
I really appreciate this review. My 280mm rad finally started to fail me after 8 years am I replaced it with the AK620 to try out air cooling for a change. Looking to do a brand new build soon and was planning on running the 7800x3d. Now I know that the AK620 will be able to handle it just fine for my use case. Thank you for showing off everything thing from low end to high.
@@moritzi Yeah, AMD should be like Intel. Buy a $700 13900KS and another $300 DDR5 7200 just to get 10% improvement over 13900K. More money than brains!
Nice. I appreciate the angle you took with the review. I've been plotting out my next rig for the past few months and was debating between the AG620 or an AIO, so this was EXACTLY what I needed. Cheers!
Hands down the best review - so much better than 1080p benchmarks. You don't buy a CPU like this unless you want to push 4k. Love the inclusion of Skylines, too... helpful, in particular, for me 😄
Thanks! We should connect in some way since we're trying to find additional ways to test CPUs with Skylines as it poses such an interesting load case. I just followed you on Twitter so by all means, please feed free to DM so we can discuss. - Mike
This is what I have been saying re cores.. that all these new 24 core/32 thread gaming laptops are just pointless for what people buy a gaming laptop for. Deactivating the e cores on unlocked chips and devoting all that power to the 8 p cores will net you better gaming performance.
Hands down best informational video as I look into trying to understand what my cooling needs will be. Thank you for doing this and I hope you do this again with new CPUs in the future.
I think this CPU is meant specifically for creators/enthusiasts. It's not *quite* as fast as the 7950X, but it's VERY close. Yes, the 7950X is cheaper, BUT you have to buy a VERY powerful (and expensive) cooler to keep the chip cool. This offsets the price factor. At least with the 7950X3D, you get the added benefit of having the extra cache for gaming, while saving money from a more expensive cooler that you'd otherwise have to buy with the 7950X. That's my two cents of the matter anyway. Great video as usual, thanks!
I got a 7950x3d on sale for $550. It seems like a no brainer when it's only $100 more than a 7800x3d with twice the cores (and same price as the 7800x3d when you consider there's a $100 game bundle with it). And I'm going to be putting a low profile cooler on it for an ITX build. I'm sure it will throttle, as the cooler is ~100g less than the cheapest one used here, but for gaming it'll be fine, and it should be fine at stock clocks at the very least. Worst case scenario, I just run at lower clocks or disable a CCD to make it into a 7800x3d for lower thermals. That's the crazy thing about this chip though, the extra CCD only adds about 5c to the thermals at full load, but also nearly doubles the performance.
I just bought the icegiant prosiphon. I'm not a big fan of liquid cooling after mine failed and destroyed my CPU. This cooler will be going on the 7950x3d
I had a be.quiet Dark Rock pro 4 sitting unused, and just mounted it to my new 7950X3D. So far, so good. It's huge, so you need to make sure it fits your case.
Showing such charts, where it doesn't start at 0 is not correct. It's misleading and depending on your custom scale makes the delta between the values seem much larger and skewed than what they actually are.
@@frieza1016 i'm just interested to know if anyone has insight. I have a D15 so I'm good on that front. And also, temperatures aren't massively important for people like me (casual evening gamer, mostly light workload kinda guy) so I'm just asking out of interest
@@vintage0x the 7950x3d essentially turns into a 7800x3d during gaming by only using the slower (8) 5 GHz cores on the v-cache die and parking the others, so performance will be about the same there. In production work, where the 7950x3d can leverage the faster non-v-cache cores, it should perform better but not as good as the 7950x that can run all 16 cores at full speed. If all you do when it comes to gaming is sticking to the basics, the 7800x3d is the best value. I play Microsoft Flight Sim, and that can hammer the CPU hard. A lot of those players also run multiple side programs (navigation aids, virtual ATC, streaming, etc) in addition to the main sim. If you are a person like that, then having the extra cores of the 7950x3d may help keep things running smoother, but that's speculation until the 7800x3d is out and able to be reviewed.
Thanks for making this. It encouraged me to look at temps for the new x3d processors, and I returned my 7700x to get a 7900x3d and it is wonderful and runs COOLER.
thanks for your tests. you always ask the right questions. I think my a4 sff case will get the 7800x3d because of one ccd and my blackridge cooler 1200 rpm 120x25mm fan on top. direct die cooling and undervolt should leed to same or less temperatures as 360 aio.
By correct per core undervolting and/or configuring (either in BIOS or with Process Lasso) the system to make optimal use of the cores (i.e. run games only on the 3D cached chip) , you can significantly reduce the temps while improving gaming performance to nearly match the 7800X3D.
So many reviewers miss the point of this chip. Not everyone buys a cpu just for gaming, a lot of people asked for this chip when the 5800x3d came out! They want to be able to have great gaming performance and use it for rendering and productivity. The performance in productivity is excellent, its right up there with the best on the market, if you want or need both this is your chip hands down without a lot of compromise. Nearly all reviewers missed the point of this CPU. When you review keep in mind the intended use case!
Maybe I'm still missing the point. In what scenario would someone still be using a CPU renderer? Every one of them that's worth it's marbles has converted to GPU acceleration. Even on the Ai side.
9:40 There's a huge difference between just opening a map with the vanilla game and building a small city and adding a bunch of mods, unlocking a bigger map then ever intended, filling it to the brim while running extra mod logic for everything... Your CPU, especially the primary core definitely gets a workout. The vanilla game despawns traffic if it gets too intense for instance... With mods you only get rid of them if they actually arrive at their destination. Edit. 300 000 population? That's actually respectable.
This is just amazing. I would chose a 7950x3D over a 7950x or 13900K for productivity just because it can give a very similar time saving with less power and thermals saving a lot on power bills. And hence should have a better life than the others. And I can get a good gaming performance if i chose to game with it. This my personal opinion after seeing these review videos. Well done AMD 👍👍👍
For productivity you can cut the power down on a 7950x as well (via PBO). Let's say you limit the maximum package power to 120W (same as of the 7950X3D) and then it will run probably equally cooler at the cost of few percentage performance loss.
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 "Better deal" it is a subjective statement, not objective, because the 3D is more expensive. Thus potential buyers will decide on what is more important for them. And for those, who need this level of CPU for productivity, it is probably a money making tool first and gaming performance can be easily only secondary criteria. When you start to earn money yourself, your view about products usually changes. I think AMD's main target was to top the charts with the 7950X3D (marketing value), the actual sales figures won't matter as much for them.
Hi Hardware Canucks! Are your temperature readings done by the CPU Temperature or the CPU Die Temperature (from AMD Ryzen Master)? My NZXT Kraken Z73 temperature readings for my AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D get up to 67-68 degrees while playing Doom Eternal at max settings without RT in 1080p. However, my die temperatures are around 58 (fluctuates, sometimes up to 65-70 degrees when loading areas and such). Is this normal for the NZXT Kraken Z73? I am also reaching the max 89 degrees C in Cinebench on the die, which doesn't match your 73 degrees max load temps. I'm really confused.
Good question. Really trying to figure out whether to go AIO or AIR. Its possible you might have to reseat the cooler or make sure it is sitting evenly across the CPU.
As an ITX pc builder for many many years 😂😛, I see the massive appeal for a cpu like this 💪🥰😇with great performance and cool temps🥶❄under bigger loads in addition to top tier gaming performance 💪👍. While pc tech is getting hotter and needing bigger cooler solutions ….. small tech innovations like 3D-Vcache can add a lot for gaming without heat, but other tech …. Or to be released tech will help drive down cooling requirements for personal and professional environments.
If it was an ad we'd say so. :) Truth be told, the reason why I'm using DeepCool here is the fact they have one of the most complete lineups around so we can stick to apples to apples comparisons. You'll actually notice it allowed for a comparison between 4, 5 and 6 heatpipe coolers, all with the same basic design and fans.
okay - great review, but if you run your 7950x in eco mode - the temperatures would almost be identical. So yes, the new chip is cooler, but it's basically running in a new 120 eco mode. Would be interesting to see the 7950x get the same mode.
One of the only reviews that actually understood the point. The fact that you get 900 FSP instead of 930 FPS while playing 1080P with a 1500$ GPU and a 700$ CPU is really not important, the takeout here is how little cooling it needs and how less power it draws to do both regular everyday stuff and gamings. And that, in the long run, should be a selling point over breaking some world-record in FPS playing shooters.
For the rendering - the 7950x3d is slower than the non-3D so saying it is mor efficient is only half the truth as it is hard powergated by AMD. Limiting the 7950 to the same power will very likely give very similar results. The extra cache increases temperature at the same powerdraw, but also a bit better performance. And with the game powerdraw - that was a nice test as sadly most tech channels keep ignoring it. Would be nice to see some CPU comparison for this ( should kinda be done in a GPU limit or even fixed FPS or the numbers would not be very comparable).
Thank you for this detailed content. The question on my mind is this. While playing games (1080P / 1440P), I want to stream over the GPU (RTX 4080 )and record video on the CPU at the same time. According to this scenario, should I buy 7950X or 7950X3D?
The 7950X3D would be perfect for that, since it already gets better gaming performance than the 7950X with lower power consumption while having underutilized cores you can use for encoding video at the same time.
Долго искал информацию о том, можно ли ставить на 7950X3D двухсекционную систему водяного охлаждения (240мм). Боялся будет ли этого достаточно для процессора. Автор видео ответил на этот вопрос). Огромное спасибо! Заказал и себе такую же модель, LT520.
hmm, been eyeing the 7950X3D but everyone been saying that its a beast to cool and will even though i mostly only game so the 7800X3D will most likely be enough but now when the 7950 has started to come down in price and i will also get the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 so sohuld have been enough cooling looking at these charts but still only gaming and some smaller streaming on occasion and OBS runs on the GPU anyway so wont hit the cpu, but with these numbers would it be wrong to still go for the 7800 instead of the 7950 if majority of the usecase is gaming?
Lol was wondering the same. No one else getting such low max temps. I bought AK620 based of their reviews and not getting anywhere close to their temps. Tdie will go over 80C in gaming. My average temp is in the 60C range though, maybe he is reporting that?
I definitely go with 7950x3d or 7900x3d, but I'm in doubt about the AIO cooler, if a 2x120mm or 2x140mm be enough, I'll prefer because I really like small cases. What you guys recommend? ( ) 2x120mm | ex nzxt z53 ( ) 2x140mm | ex nzxt z63 ( ) 3x120mm | ex nzxt z73
Hello, can you tell me that the temperture you show on the graph is cpu die temperture or ccd temperture, coz I bought a 7950x3d and I found out that even I use a 360aio the temperture is still relatively high when gaming(80c)
If I were to assemble a new one today, I would have gone with 7700X and saved money on faster RAM sticks with most probably RTX 4070Ti; for now I am ok with my 5600X @4.7Ghz constant and about 70C with quiet AIO and o/c RTX 3070, for 1440p gaming. The above said is considering value and performance. Otherwise very interesting review!
In all your charts, the 100% fan speed temps are greater than 50% temps ? How is that possible, or am I reading the charts wrong or is it inverted on the legend ? The dark orange is always lower temps than light orange. Edit: in some of your charts it's correctly labeled.
First, I wanna say I appreciate that you include a 50% fan speed, but can you switch it to noise normalized test instead? So, rather than 50% fan speed, just adjust it to certain silent dB.
I was thinking of it but it would have complicated things a lot more since we did these tests in a closed system so the system fans would play into the equation a bit too much for our liking.
The thing about the 7950X3D is that it's not a pure gaming CPU. The 3D V-Cache makes it better at gaming, but it's a dual purpose chip. You buy the 7950X3D if you do more than gaming. Does it come with a penalty to production work? Yes, but based on the numbers I've seen it's not enough of a hit to make a huge difference. If all you do is game, then yes get the 7800X3D, but if you work with stuff like Blender in addition to heavy gaming, then the 7950X3D is good at what it does. Though that's not to say the dual CCD's don't cause issues with this whole thing. Ideally you'd shut off the CCD you don't need, and the 7950X3D can do that if you have the right programs running. But what if a game does use more than 8 cores/16 threads? In the case of Metro Exodus, dropping that second CCD actually costs you 50% performance. So you have to manually turn it back on right now until AMD issues an update to tell the CPU to not shut that CCD down for that particular game. If I recall they did mention they'd be doing updates that tell the CPU how to function for certain games.
The X3D is actually the best gaming CPU. It has more cache than the 7800X3D. But this is obviously not a massive difference. Not to mention the 7950X3D can use other cores for other stuff, while if you have things like a browser going in the background while running a game, that's going to also be running on the same 8 cores of the 7800X3D. So if you set programs to use the proper CCD, you can keep the VCACHE CCD reserved just for games, which is what should be done anyways. It might take some time to setup, but once you Process Lasso everything, everything runs like a well oiled machine.
Something is wrong then. With the same CPU + air cooler, 3 monitors and multiple web browsers running, my rig(1) sits at 40c. You should rethink your case + airflow and check the condition of the thermal paste and AIO. (1) Asus TUF build w/ Gt-502 case, TUF x670e mobo, 7950x3d + TR Peerless assassin w/ only one fan in the middle, and vertically mounted TUF 4090.
@deuswulf6193 I replaced the thermal paste, and for a day, it sat around d 32c and now back to 60-70C. This is with negative curve optimization across individual cores. All cores can do -15 some cores do -20 to 25. I haven't managed to get any core to like -30 or beyond.
@@xVertigo101 Might be worth grabbing a cheap Thermalright dual tower air cooler as a test. It would at least help you identify whether or not your AIO is the source of the problem, and you can have a back up cooling solution.
yeah might be worth considering, I doubt it's the case though. at 64C right now however my ambient room temp is also 85F which is stupid hot :/ can't regulate the heat in this place. Lian Li Lancool 3 has 6 fans on the radiator, all 120's, 140 rear exhaust, two 120's in the front on the gpu + 3 140's on the front and as a bonus there's three 120's on the bottom of the case. @@deuswulf6193
Good news is on the bios the temp is 35c so that's a positive sign that things are working as expected. I'm assuming some software is cranking out the performance as most cores are maxed. 3D Cache about 5.25Ghz, non ed cache 5.75Ghz PBO is enabled, all cores are -15-25 on curve optimizer. I can't seam to get any to be stable at 30 :/ @@deuswulf6193
Which termal paste did you use with AG400? The one that game with it? I bought one AG400 and I’m not sure which one to use the one that came with it or Z3 DeepCool
What would be a good motherboard for this CPU? Looking to do a upgrade on my current rig and starting to plan out my upgrades. As well, any recommendations on a solid GPU?
For Mobo it's either x670 or b650. If you want to future proof further lookout for Mobos with PCIe gen 5. You will need ddr5 ram also. The best deals by far for graphics cards are the 6700 xt, 6750 xt, 6800 xt right now. But in terms of best GPUs it would be the 7900 xtx, 4070 ti, 4080 and 4090. The cheapest new gpu is the 4070 ti.
Go with x670 if you can. Don’t want to cheap out on a motherboard when you’re spending this much on a cpu. I’d say go with boards ranging from 300-400. Anything under 300 is too cheap of a board and will limit performance. For the gpu a 4070t or 4080 would be perfect. A 3080ti or 3070ti if you’re on a budget would also be good.
@Donuts bro if you’re getting a new zen 4 3D cpu and a gpu like a 4070ti then do NOT cheap out on the motherboard. Any mobo that’s only 150-200 will be a shit motherboard and will definitely limit performance. For a top tier cpu like this I wouldn’t go with anything cheaper then a 300-350 x670 board.
It's not a gaming CPU, it's an all in one CPU that performs out of this world in temps, price and performance. So, yes, it's very recommended for us that actually do this for a living. The 7800X 3D is the gaming only chip. But, the best part of the 7950X 3D which the 7800X 3D will fail, is that you can disable the 1st CCX and game with the high clocks in all the games that benefit there. Remember that the 5950X launched for $800. This chip is basically 3 CPU's in one for $100 less and the start of a new platform. You don't even need 6000 ram AND you can do an SFF build with it.
Thanks for covering this. It is something I haven't heard anyone talk about. I'm also wondering about different ram configurations as far as 2x16 vs 2x32 vs 4x16 vs 4x32. Havent been able to find anyone talking about that either.
How is Windows 7 suppose to deal with 8 cores / 16 threads... just.. disappearing and reappearing at will??? Let alone performance cores vs efficiency cores. Have these CPU manufacturers lost their BLANK mind?
1 000 rpm?!? I usually run my case and cooler fans at 200-500 rpm in a fractal design R5... With noctua fans. Yes, it gets hot under high loads, but at least it's silent... My CPU is the R7 1700.
There have been plenty of videos about other Ryzen chips in this series benefitting from delidding. I wonder if the *X3D, by aiming for a lower target temperature, benefits significantly less...
