Ryzen 7000 Runs HOT but Does it even Matter? 

This testing was extremely well done and well explained - great work! This makes me feel way more comfortable choosing a cooler that’ll be best for my build

Finally, someone trustful who actually tested gaming scenarios temps. Everyone is just rushing towards synthetic benchmark to hit the headroom of the CPU for their audience, but little did they know, most of their audience are gamers and are looking into gaming performance benchmark. Glad we got people at Hardware Canucks, who think outside the box. Who knew the 7000 series were running below 70c for gaming? Not me, well until now.

This review I found much more informative and realistic than artificial stress testing. Cheers.

Hi, thank you for the full explanation and greatly appreciated it. I tested the 7950x, yes it does stays 95 degrees but and clock frequency does depend on the cooler’s capabilities. But if you tweak in PBO2 by lowering the PPT by 1/2 which is 115w instead of 230w you can still hit the 5ghz mark with boost but with a lower temperature. I do agree with you if allow to, best is by getting the best cooler pc builders can get. Am running off a 420 aio which benefits the clock frequency and boost.

Excellent charts, been looking at these for really heavy workloads so these kind of performance-loss to temperature charts really helps as a rough gauge. Thanks for doing this testing.

This video helped clarify alot, thanks! I was worried that my high temps (48-68c idle and 70-80c at load) were related to that whole exploding chip fiasco.

These illustrations are top notch and make the issue very clear, great video thank you guys for the hard work

So Ryzen 7000 has made liquid cooling redundant, that is ironically cool.

Mike's cooler videos are imo the absolute best content Hardware Canucks makes. It really revitalised the channel.

Great video. Shows the comparison between the cooling solutions and puts it into perspective. Good stuff!

Thank you for going into the gaming bit. So many people think that when their cpu says 100 in game on an osd that it means the cpu is maxed out in every way. They also associate 100 usage to highest temp. This will go a long way to correct this issue with some.

This is awesome! I just got a deep cool ls520 because I have the MSI k240 and the temps seemed off, but after looking at all the videos the temps seem fine. Now I'm just looking into which seemed likes better quality product and the possible longevity of the coolers.

This was very interesting. I recently bought a 7700X and the Wraith Prism fan ramping up and down due to temp spiking was driving me nuts. I had an old Deeopcool Gammax 400 that I put a Noctua fan on as a temporary solution...temps and frequencies are about the same as as the Prism but much quieter. During typical gaming sessions the 7700X hovers around ~70C with the Gammax 400.

Exactly the video I needed. Thanks!

Great video! Thank you for all your effort. Is nice to know that the heat is manageable. Now it only the motherboard and memory prices would go down.

as a gamer i run a 7600x and the ak620… 4k and 120fps and i’ve never tripped north of 60c or so. my cpu fans stay nice and quiet. all core work yes, the am5 chips are fuente. but for every day computing or gaming, you’ll be fine. great video, it helped me make my purchase.

Great subject and it was so well explained. Thanks for the video.

Great info here thank you! Would be interested to see these with Noctua’s new cooler and de8aur’s dilidding tool.

Great video explaining the weird temperatures I get from my 7600x. Thank you so much!

What I'm waiting is to see the X3D version eventually, how the heat and clocks will be managed this time around. Should be interesting especially since they plan to release more models.

Insanely good comparisons, was just looking for gaming performance and cooling factors for the 7600x, this helped tremendously!

Absolutely excellent review. Just what I wanted to know. I'm still going to use a custom loop 120 in my DIY custom case, as it enables me to place the radiator in a separate open-air chamber outside the CPU Chamber. So the extracted heat will go nowhere near the motherboard. Similarly the GPU will be in its own open-air chamber. So both the CPU Cooler and GPU will draw fresh cold air and expell hot air back into the room. I had been hesitating between a 240 radiator and a 120 radiator plus 3 x 3.5" hot-swap drive bays for 2.5" SSDs. Now I know. So many thanks. BTW my whole case will fit in my briefcase.

This was very informative.. Thank you. Just bought a Ryzen 5 7600x and the budget cooler. Guess I should consider upgrading. :)

Best (most informative/useful) damn 7000 series content I’ve seen yet

Thank you! Very informative.

It was exactly the information I wanted to know. Thank you.

Beautiful methodology, data visualization, and presentation

Fantastic testing and info. Thanks.

A great explanation Mike 😇👍 about how the processor works and for most people, gamers, you don’t need a super high cooler for max per 😱🤯🤩👍. I’ve been commenting for over 10yrs now that mobile tech will be the future of pc going into the future, and it appears that Ryzen 7000 CPUs are doing that as you explained. I feel the future of tech is going be truely amazing 🤩

Excellent information, thank you!

It would be nice to also see the measured TDP with these charts: how much more power and voltage can be fed to the CPU under better coolers. I guess that's ultimately what determines the clock speeds that can be reached? And on that note, if higher temperatures need more voltage (and power) for the same stability, would be interesting to see how these CPUs could be tuned to perform on lower target temperatures. Though on the other hand, the higher the temperature delta, the better the heat transfer is, and that again means more power and voltage for the higher clocks...

Fantastic video. I've never been a fan of AIOs so I brought my Dark Rock Pro 4 forward from my 3900x build to my new 7950x. The very minor loss in performance on extremely heavy workloads is fine by me. The only other thing I wanted to see that this video did not cover is how long it takes to return to a baseline temperature after being on a max load for a sufficiently extended period of time.

This is the video I've been looking for a long time. Like a did a week worth of research on whether I should pick AIO or Air cooler once I get a 7950x3D. Now I can be confident that a good Air Cooler like the D15 can perform on par with other good liquid coolers.

I like that the ak400 and ak620 are the ones representing the budget and high-end air cooling in these charts. These two coolers are absolute gem from deepcool and blows the majority of other air coolers out of the water in terms of price-to-perf in the current market. (I'm kinda biased coz I'm using the ak400 myself, such a nice cooler)

This video was very well done. Thank you so much

Thanks for this video. It was very useful.

I have a noctua air cooler with three 140mm fans mounted in the top of my case blowing down on it and while I see temp spikes to 95C under heavy load, it immediately cools to under 50C the moment load is removed. Throttling until you hit your thermal cap is AMD's way of squeezing as much performance out of these things as possible.

Fantastic review Mike, best video out there on this stuff.

This video is very useful. I'll be building my first AMD build and helped to undertand which cooler I should be going for. Great work!

Brilliant explanation! Many thanks 🎉

You are a strong person in explaining. Thank you for the information. I will buy one soon. Thank you

Really well explained. Here I was, going worried crazy over the 95 degrees occasional max temps.

Great video, and I know it's a little old. Just got my first rzyen CPU. I wonder if there is really an advantage to undervolt the CPU for max'ing performance?

Very good test. Looks like I'm gonna get a 360 AIO and upgrade the fans to the Phanteks T30 to keep my Blender renders in check. However you left out one question: What about undervolting? Does it reduce temps?

the great things about these CPU's is that you can under volt them lower the over all temps and get BETTER performance.

This review changed my mind about the 7000 series. Now I wonder how the mobile processors will perform.

really good video, was debating sould i go all the way to 360 aio and this video makes me think i don't need an aio at all just that they look ggood

I love you, thank you so much for this video, solved all my problems!

amazing video man thanks

I would have loved to have seen performance differences between full bore BIOS settings and eco mode at 105w or 65w…

I wish you had tested it with the power limitat set tl 105W or 65W. I've seen reviews saying there wasn't that big of a performance impact and thermals were a LOT tamer.

Thank you so much for this video i love you man keep up with the videos❤

i just wanted to request gaming results :D thanks for that. This realistic scenario isnt really mentioned anywhere.

Super informative video.

Amazing work here, you get a sub and a like, fantastic video guys!

great breakdown, thank you

Good vid. well explained (y)

Absolutely great test and explanation👍. It save me lot of time and nerves as with such temperatures I will never go for this AMD series.

Man, this video is a gem, thank you!!! I ordered a AK620 today before been able to watch this video (to most likely go with a R5 7600X), but after watching this video Im starting to think its a bit overkill - for gaming only. A smaller cooler would probably be easy to install and be more compatible with motherboard and RAM.... Now I do not know what to do... should I go with the AK400 or Arctic Freezer 34 esports duo or similar options?

very nice to see that budget coolers are viable for ryzen 7000 series

So you're saying the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) diffuses or um... spreads heat? Is the mass of the 7k IHS more than the 5k one? I haven't seen numbers on it, but have heard people comment on it qualitatively as "hefty" for the overall CPU when they were first unboxing a 7k chip. That mass could explain the soak time for the first few seconds of a benchmark when coming up to temp.

i really wanna see a person who runs fans on 100% :D ill be not surprised if EK or other brands start releasing backplate(mean behind the motherboard) water cooling to absorb heat.

Dissapointing video. Basically apart from '95°C is new normal in reviewers/amd conclusion', this video said nothing, except that worst and best cooler is 200mhz at most apart. A gigantically better test would be either Eco mode OR limiting 85°C in bios (how much mhz and performance drop would that cause i'm thinking not much). It's certainly what i would do. You can disagree, but I cannot and will not ever accept a perma 95°C cpu temp. It creates a massive distrust that that cpu would last 8-10 years (what i did now with cpu and plan for next one).

Thank you for such a video!

Very informative video, where many/most scenarios are covered and explained. But after reading comments, there's still a lot confusion about HEAT. I've watched many Ryzen 7000 video "studies" talking about 95°C, where people keep asking about heat, but the only answer we get is "no worry, 95C is now 65C" -which (to me) sound like avoiding to answer & explain actual question. Saying (here in comments) "Just because something runs hot, doesn't mean it outputs more heat" isn't really helpful (even it's true!) -it needs an explanation. Not to mention stupid comments like "Gamers have proven with this launch that they REALLY don't get physics." What many wish, is the clear answer to the question: will now more heat come out of PC? And if yes, by how much? Measuring unit for amount of heat is Joule and measuring unit for power is Watt. How these two relate? The answer is: 1W=1J/second. We can see, that amount of heat only depends on power (equation doesn't contain temperature). That is, temperature has nothing to do with amount of heat. First thing that comes to mind is "wait... but 95°C is hotter than 65°C.. and so it must create more heat.". No, it doesn't! Here's an example which hopefully explain this: Let's assume we have a CPU (with some "normal" cooler), which has temperature of 95°C when powered by 100W. Now we only change the cooler with a better one and CPU temperature drops to 80°C. Does that mean, we generate less heat now? Of course not. Amount of heat can't just vanish by changing the cooler. By changing the cooler we only reduced CPU temperature -because better cooler dissipates (the same amount of heat) more efficient. Again, amount of heat only depends on input power. And this also explains the following claim: at given power, the amount of heat dissipated out of PC case remains the same, regardless of CPU temperature and what cooler is being used. In short: if one CPU has 95°C and another has 80°C, and both consume 100W, then both PC's will increase the room temperature by exactly the same amount (because both dissipate the same amount of heat). The only way to reduce (or increase) amount of heat, is by changing power. Thank you for reading

What a great video. Subscribed

I can't even tell you how fantastic this video is from a practical perspective.

Very good video nice work and tnx :)

Wow that is a really good vid ^^

This was incredibly helpful, I mostly game with a few multimedia workloads, so there's no point in spending all that money on an expensive AIO for my use case. I can wait the extra 60 seconds with it running at 5.0ghz instead of 5.2 in those instances.

Great info in this video! Thanks a lot! So, you lose ~5% in MT apps (and nothing in less stressful apps) with a 7950X using a $30 cooler vs a $200 cooler. A no problem to me then.

The real answer: AMD pushed the chip so hard to the max, just to say "We beat Intel"

Thank you! I am about to order a 7950x (for wordprocessing 😆 ) and wondered if my nzxt kraken elite 280 would do and with this test i am confident it will :)

Can you do the same test with ECO mode? I changed my bios to not let it go over 85c and 75c and noticed very little difference with a regular Vetroo air cooled fan. I only did this because of a suggestion to keep The Division 2 from crashing. So far its worked and I havent seen much difference in other games.

Hardware Canucks is doing very well on the Ryzen 7000 reviews and solutions. You guys seem not to be fully NDA mouth shut to talk about concerns where the consumers should look at. Bravo!

Ok so I’m a little confused. I have the Ryzen 5 7600x and a deepcool LT720. And any time I download a game or put any stress on the cpu it almost instantly shoots up to around 90 degrees Celsius. And even in some games it will shoot up to that point. But I’m curious if that’s normal or can I turn down the clock speed in bios and feel more relaxed.

Yes it does, it gets hot enough where I live. But the 7950X's 105W eco mode is where it's at.

So the Optimum operating temperature is 82 deg c ? Would it hurt the shelf life of AIO or cause water leakage, to have close to boiling water, example 95 deg c water, fluid flowing about in the rubber or plastic tubing and pump head ?

Thx for your video, really thx just bough a Ryzen 5 7600x , with Corsair H100 capelix XT , and rise above 80 in game.... I immediatly shut down the PC and put more thermal paste than just the AIO corsair had, got 50 in Windows, something like 75 in game now, apparently , if I understand correctly ur video, it's correct for this kind of CPU , Ryzen 7000 get hot quickly ... I will just paid attention to it, but thx to show us, they just get hot in normal use, was thinking there was a problem 😁

sir's i have a question.. is it normal to a corsair hs65 the right side is more quieter than the left side?

Thanks Deepcool. Listen, I have a 280EX if you make a white 280mm LS version, and it performs just as good as the EX I have, I'll buy it.

The "too hot" argument is just lack of understanding of thermodynamics and people who don't own laptops.

well done very good test

What was the boost behaviour like on the 7600x in game? Did it hold 5.4ghz steady on the AK620?

I was overthinking about if I should just use my ak400 or get a different one for my Ryzen 9 7900x with a 4060 Ti [ This really helped thank you ]

Yo i've seen some be quiet water coolers that you can fill again and again...does it means it would last longer? i meant jnstead of 5-6 to 8years?

Wtf... What a convoluted way to explain a simple thing and a simple conclusion.

Amd basically says "IT'S NORMAL, 30% MORE THERMALS FOR 30% MORE PERFORMANCE IS FINE BECAUSE LAPTOPS GET THAT HOT"

Great video🙏👌

hi thx a lot for that i have tried with my 5700g with cinebench r23 and it dropped from 4540 to 4040 surprising that this 5700g in benchmark scorses almost as much as my 3900x in my other gaming pc

Well done. Expertly explained. 1 Small thing you could have covered the eco mode settings. That makes it more of a nothing burger. 100% awsome.

And it's even better with undervolting and some motherboards integrated temperature limit options... 👍

I hope the 8000 series doesn't accommodate for older coolers with artificial Z-height in the IHS. That and adjusting the values in the curve optimizer should give the respin lower temps with more boost headroom.

What about a 4 hour gaming session or a 8 hour weekend session? will the CPU go to 95C after that long?

Nicely presented-

If you open up 100-200 chrome windows, what is the approx temperature on a 7950 with a good air cooler?

Well, I've just installed my 7950x with a Dark Rock Pro 4 aircooler earlier today, and at idle it sits around 45-50 degrees celcius.. Right after I placed my order, I looked around a bit, tempering my anticipation, and was slightly concerned that almost all of the builds I saw being done with that CPU used beefy AIOs, and people talked as if air coolers are impossible to even think of using with it because "oh noo it'll throttle!!1one".. But it works just fine. Sure when I load the CPU as heavily as I can, it hits the 95 degrees, and there is a drop of about 85hz (maybe I was a little lucky in the silicon lottery), but that's synthetic load testing.. 20 minute hammer test, which doesn't at all resemble the heaviest stuff i'm doing myself, which is at most around 5 minutes of heavy loads here and there maybe up to 10 minutes, and that doesn't even bring it to the throttle point, at most it hits around 80-85 before my actual work loads are done, and usually I'll start those and walk away to do some dishes or something, so by the time i'm back to review, it's back down to the 45-50 degree idle temp again, ready for another run. I'm well satisfied with the 7950x on air so far. That got to be a bit of a longer comment than I intended.. anyway.. TLDR: big beefy air coolers work just fine all the way up to the 7950x, provided your workloads aren't long you won't even get to the point where you could feasibly 'notice' throttling :P (My heavier workloads are mainly some occasional molecular/atomic simulations, lighter workloads being BLASTing some DNA/RNA sequences - I suspect video editors especially might want to plan cooling solutions for longer workload runs)

Ok that final analysis was what i needed (the gaming section). It seemed to me that the 7000 series just went straight to 95 no matter what it was up.. and i thought that kinda sucked, especially losing performance, unless you have the absolute best cooling. Knowing that they dont is assuring. Lol. I know it sounds silly, but from all the marketing id seen.. it just looked like the 7000 series went straight to thermal max and good luck to you. Haha

Brilliant, this is exactly what I was wondering about and feel like everyone interested in the 7000 series should see this. Great piece, HC!

excellent test 👍