The Sad Reality of Football YouTube 

This is how I feel when an AwayDays guest has the audacity to do their own content

The worst thing about the Club is they're very childish and immature about the Kick Off - Buvey calling out TG, doing a Tier List, saying the Kick Off fell off, pretending they never worked for the show... it's such an elephant in the room, it's embarrassing

It’s very obvious that a lot of these podcasts don’t really believe the opinions they put out…

I think it shows that youtube is treated as a business ultimately. Mark was saying it as well, the competition is so cutthroat that you try to force yourself up the ladder. I have no problem with Rory, Adam and Buvey trying to do that, but the manner in which they did (setting up the club within a week for the kick off splitting up) was really sad to watch. Especially Rory, as i remember him thanking Geordie for saving his life on the kick off christmas podcast just a year prior.

Whilst I feel somewhat sorry for True Geordie. People often forget that Hughwizzy was treated similarly, once he left the Kick Off, and replaced by that odious cretin Mckola. Wizzy was essentially retconned from history, and suddenly the viewers had to pretend along with the kick off crew, that Mckola was "One of the lads" from the start. So, as far as I am concerned, it's a little bit of karma.

The days of KickTV live streams and then early Kickoff streams was a thing a beauty to be real with ya'll

I think Rory has shown himself to be a fake clickbait merchant who'd do anything to get some views. From pretending to be Brian's pal and doing a heartfelt 'thank you' video less than a year before his departure; to then seemingly cut and run without a word during a time Brian was under siege shows his true character. As Mark said in the podcast, the space has become oversaturated with mediocre clickbait merchants all doing the same thing and trying to get clicks with wild takes or over the top, unimaginative wind up 'banter'. Genuinely hope Loz and Brian can reconcile, their chemistry together was amazing

We can never forget prime kick off…

I’d rather pull my ears off than listen to any of the PitchSide lads talk about football

As a fan of The Kick Off back in the day I completely agree that it’s nice to finally hear someone from it speak. I thought Laurence came across really well and it was a brilliant interview by Mark. Really good video tho by urself too and a good take on things.

much needed discourse in the football social media space, thank you for your service

The goldbridge McKenna interview was a gem

I'm pretty new to football youtube and I randomly found Lawrence's channel without knowing his history. I enjoy his videos.

Definitely made my feel a bit bad for Brian. I can't be sure, but I don't think he deserved to be abandoned the way he was.

Can you do a video on the downfall of Stoke mate, we are in serious trouble at the bottom on the championship with no way of getting out of it now, only a few years ago we were beating Liverpool and playing in Europe

I really don't understand the appeal of the club. Why would you want what is basically the kickoff except the two charismatic and likeable people aren't there.

Best part of MG's interview with Loz was when he called out "The Kickoff" for never or rarely ever reading super chats. There were whole live streams where you could see one super chat after another ($$$) and the hosts never said a word about it other than, "some people in the chat are asking about..."

I don't even think it is football youtube but all of forms of football media where the opinions are just rage bait. When football media does this and you then look at the fans responses to it, I question how is it that people don't understand the football games that they have watched. One of the biggest problems in football media and with fans opinion wise is getting rid of players and managers, when rome was not built in a day and they need time. Before with a young promising talent you would slowly integrate them into the squad over a period of years, but now they are instantly being chucked in and expected to produce results. A manager has a good season at a new job then is instantly wanted by other clubs.

I love how since the Goldbridge interview football RU-vid is now being referred to as 'the space' 🤣🤣

The Kick Off was ELITE back then

The club never reached the heights of kick off and felt disconnected from day 1

The whole The Club crew did True Geordie so wrong

I love hearing your opinion because, more often than not, it mimics my own. It creates a connection and the authenticity you spoke about in this video. It's why I continually watch you nowadays. Keep up the good work. I look forward to watching your videos.

mark goldbridge titles every video with "DISGRACE" or "CRISIS" literally the biggest grifter out of all of them

I liked the introspection from Lawrence on why the trio left to create the club, they did not give enough buy into the kickoff so as to show value to them as the creators.

You're a thoughtful guy, dude. That's a superpower these days.

I hope this channel grows! This guy is authentic and I like how you focus on teams away from the big league.

I don't really care about who fell out with who or for why. I just watch these podcasts because i find them entertaining. These people aren't my friends, I have my own life

I get what you're saying. Football RU-vidrs need to realize that you can make people click on your content by bringing them intriguing topics, not necessarily hate towards players or clickbaity opinions.

I only like you more with every upload mate, really enjoy hearing your insight and getting a genuine perspective on things happening inside the football creator space, from someone inside the space. Keep it going brother 💪

Saw you on Back of the Net with Sam today, enjoyed your honesty and passion and started following your channel.

Mark Goldbridge is the epitomy of a clickbait youtuber He's probably the worst one

You’re right mate, it was a lovely bit of closure. I used to watch the old kick off, religiously. I still have love for Loz & TG.

We are getting spoiled this week

That Chavski Cnut Rory is the worst

The football RU-vid space especially on the fan pundit side seems like a snakepit

When Laurence started doing podcasts and the kick off with True Geordie, i really liked him. He was a good partner for Geordie and i wont forget those days. Hope the best for the guy.

Great video Viz! Was hoping you’d make a video about the interview and you jumped right on it, keep up the good work mate!

I too am part of the "few friends in football YT" club.🤝

I feel it's important to point out how Rory and Adam said in one Christmas podcast with TG that Brian saved them from deep shit, I remember Rory saying he had a child and was poor and Brian helped him out of there.

One issue for me.. Was when TTG appeared on Steven Bartlett's podcast, "The Diary of a Wanker". And he said out loud. Not just in his own brain. But in his indoor voice. "I DESERVE THIS.. I DESERVE TO BE LEADER IN MY OWN FIELD". That was one of the big moments I was like "yeahhhh, I don't like HIM anymore.." Also, towards the end of the old lineup, of TTG, Loz, Adam, Buvey and Roryboy. The videos they were uploading, were more and more fracturious and bitty. Like there was a video about the TV coverage of Erikkson's heart attack during the Euros. And it deteriorated into attacking Loz for basically saying "..the decision to cut away was wrong, but the BBC didn't have control of the camera feeds, and probably the guys back in the UK studio weren't ready to be cut back to. And yeah, it's really bad what was done". And it just got tense.. and boring...

The Club is just a poor man’s Kick Off, I think. Their unseemly click bait takes and comments are really embarrassing at times. And I got the Impression that Lawrence wanted to give his perspective without creating drama when he was talking to Goldbridge. If he had been completely honest he would have just said the obvious - the Club lads had bitten the hand that fed them by dropping TG at the earliest opportunity and shamelessly trying to re-create the Kick off. The trio act like they had something BEFORE working with Brian , but they had nothing of note

The problem is that the average football fan wants to hear the outrageous, inflammatory stuff, so you get idiots like Rory and Lawrence all over the algorithm

My only issue with Golbridge is the titles which are usually holding different option to the actual video. All rage bait titles. I get why he does it ultimately, but man, it is the one thing that does, and will always irk me. His football opinion on Liverpool is very fair away from Man U it needs saying too, this season in particular he has shown little to non bias, applying nuance and context to Liverpool, be it the call against Spurs, Arsenal and City this season, because not because he merely cares for Liverpool, but he cares for the state of football.

SdS is clear now anyways. Guys that actually grew up with each other and part of friendship circles from school with a few guests that have helped

Tbf to Rio when you watch the whole clip you can tell he’s pretty much only saying that about Arteta to wind up the Arsenal fan - it was tongue-in-cheek as much as anything. Obviously, a comment like that from someone like him is always gonna create discourse, but it’s important to discuss these things in context

It's one thing the guys from The Club going and doing their own thing, it's another pretending they were never on The Kick Off and slyly mocking it even, like they would be anything without Brian and that show. While I don't necessarily agree with the way they left, I do understand it, but to never give props to Brian for giving them a career is pretty grim. Side note, how anyone can actually watch The Club is beyond me, 10 minutes of their vacuous shtick gives me brain rot.

1️⃣ Ragebait from footballing podcasts are just the natural product of clickbaiting and disingenuous retention, sucks it has to be that way 2️⃣ As a former Lawrence Mckenna hater, I will say that he's matured the most out of The Kick Off and genuinely feel bad that he had to deal with the brunt of the downfall. His opinions on his personal channel nowadays are usually well-thought while still coming from passion. 3️⃣ I tried watching The Club when it first came out, but it was so difficult to watch as it became so corporate. If I was a new viewer I would have refused that the guys were friends outside of the show with every member looking like they work at a dead-end part-time job. 4️⃣ I'm so thankful that football content creators can grow if they out enough passion and hard work into it and also reinvent themselves into better channels like you had done. I look forward to what else you got to say about the footballing sphere. Cheers.

Humbly disagree. Mark Goldbridge has the worst takes and blatantly lies about various things which I wonder if he just says to get clicks.

James Lawrence Allcott and Mark Goldbridge are great for footy content, TG is good for fight/boxing stuff though.

My favorite channels are the smaller ones covering low coverage leagues like the Belgian League or League of Ireland

Mckola was absolutely not irrelevant before kick off lol goldbridge said that for such obvious reasons 😂😂😂...

I think you’re a key contributor to the RU-vid football problem. Ever since you had your child, your quality of video fell off. You implement more fallacies, more biases, and are willing to tear players apart in order to make an emotional appeal. I really think you should reconsider your work ethic and focus on where you’re actually trying to go.

The Club really just strikes me as a bunch of guys who know absolutely nothing about football talking about football. It really is terrible, the balding guy and the brummie sound utterly clueless at all times.

The thing i have noticed about football RU-vid is content creators with Agendas...as an Arsenal fan we have a few members specifically in a location in Spain that enjoys Arsenal losing...I cant enjoy the club like i did the Kick Off...but maybe it is probably due to understanding most that what is said is for clicks and views...I do help out on on a few small podcasts but it is done for fun not clicks or views....great video ..keep up good work

The Kick Off was great but when they really started to bring Buvey in as a permanent member, I really believe the beginning of the end was happening. The dynamic didn't come across as authentic anymore and it also took a big hit after Hugh left for very justifiable reasons in his own right. I don't know Buvey but he gives the impression of a troublemaker and it wouldn't surprise me if he started to spin the wheels for the backstabbing that took place towards the kickoff. Sometimes people become the characters they portray and Buvey gave off a narcissistic rage-baiter vibe.

The irony is that this video is exactly what the RU-vidr is criticising

Content has been great lately mate, keep up the good work!🎉

Just because the industry is cutthroat doesn't mean fans shouldn't judge your character when you stab your friends in the back. Snakes. Fair play to Laurence for giving Brian some leeway and sticking by him after the incident.

Goldfish and the United Stand are the worse he supports Forrest to start off with, he's so far up he's own arse it's unreal and he makes loads of stuff up too

I just have one question; if we throw PR out of the window, who is really at fault for this and who could have prevented all of this and why???

I would’ve agreed with you about The Club being wrong for leaving before I watched Laurence’s video. Laurence said they had no ownership, no contract for regular shows and things had been bubbling away under the surface. They (Rory, Adam, some extents Buvey) became 3/5 of the show but weren’t treated like that. So I don’t think it’s too surprising or unreasonable that they moved on.

Buisness and Entertainment in the past: Make People happy = Money. Buisness and Entertainment today: Make people upset and angry = Money

I watched the club a bunch when it first came out but honestly the quality of content just isn't good at all and very clickbaity. The nice thing of the Kick Off is that it did feel like more of a conversation.

The way they went about it was wrong, but we can’t say after the Muslim joke, they didn’t want to get dragged with him . And ngl it’s seems like people like the club over the kickoff rn

Great video and some interesting insights. Though I’d still say we don’t know the full ins and outs of what went on, and likely (rightly) never will. In the podcast Loz actually says “me and Brian don’t have a relationship anymore”. Which is very very interesting because he continued to do stuff with him for a month or so after the incident. Think what you want about McKola, Rory and Buvey, but I think what is also fair to say is that they were left very exposed both financially and “reputationally” by the comments made. Also let’s remember that there was an ‘apology’ video made days after which could have saved the situation somewhat but was actually such a shambles that it made it worse and almost made a mockery of the situation. Loz pretty much admitted this too. And let’s be honest but who’s to say who should and who shouldn’t be offended by the comments made. What if certain individuals were offended and it made them think twice about wanting to be mates with someone who makes comments such as that? I don’t know, I do think that The Club lads need to stop poking little sly jibes here and there on their streams, a couple at first were relatively funny but after that it’s gotten a bit daft. Just pack it in. And I do think they should have had it out with TG, got round a table and aired it to each other, then go separate ways. But at the same time…. They do have their own careers, own lives, own families to think about and Brian had put his foot in it a few times, so can also see their reasoning for doing their own thing. Just trying to see both sides, I think a lot of videos weigh heavily one way or the other. And if you don’t like Buvey or Rory etc then it’s natural to want to label them as snakes etc. But good video. Subbed. some interesting stuff 👍🏼

Your platform is full of negativity you are the same thing you’re preaching against.

You're channel is growing bro 1 million soon come❤

You're all nerds, thinking you're big time celebrities lmao

My read on The Club situation is that Loz was fine with them doing it, but wishes they had gone about it a little differently. But I also take him at his word that the sting he felt from that has ebbed over time a bit, and he's kind of ready to just move past it. The failure to give those 3 guys a contract and cut them into a share of the steady KO income created a situation that was basically begging for them to be poached by someone trying to establish a competitor product. And that was TG and Loz's choice to let that situation linger. But, the coldness of the departure can still be critiqued.

I agree with you about the clip bait and saying outrageous things for views, but that has been happening in mainstream media for years and years

This is why I hate when football youtubers are successful. I don't mean you doing well and making money. I mean, when you are so successful that it's not about the love of making content anymore. To them, they lose that passion and only want to do it for the money

Last month I left a mildly questioning critical comment on a Laurence video, and he absolutely exploded on me. Wrote an entire condescending, backhanded screed. I was astounded, I've never been written such a rude, baiting, passive-aggressive message in my life, and I've been online a long time. It's not like I usually comment, or was harassing him--rarely do I even bother writing anything. So to me it felt unwarranted to berate me that way. Who knows, perhaps I caught him on a bad day/at a bad time, or accidentally used a word or phrase that sets him off, but even still he went too far. Lost all respect for him, and I didn't have more than a basic level to begin with. By contrast, Rory's only ever been genuine and polite in replying to me, likewise JLA & Flav and that lot, so perhaps it isn't all or most footballtubers like this, just Laurence.

I just learned True Goerdie directed that "islamophobic" remarks towards Andrew Tate. Well, as a muslim let me say this: that pimp is the worst thing that happen to islam since the war on terror. I don't know what True Goerdie said, but I'll allow it.

Very true, anfield agenda is annoying, most of it is click bait.

Lawrence is a weird one because I think he was the most emotionally effected by this because his family, career and livelihood were affected more so than the other guys that stepped away. I think he’s a huge talent that isn’t getting recognition he deserves. Yeah his jokes and presentation wasn’t the best but I always saw it as a character to rile up the others rather than him genuinely. He has definitely been the worst hit and fair play to him for speaking while still being respectful to them all even when they hurt him and it’d be valid to be angry and bitchy about that scenario

As a local rival fan, I actually enjoy your channel. If you are going to talk about Rovers, do so and not as a Burnley fan. Open and honest. We want them gone. The Rao’s and Waggott are ruining us.

Would love to see your own podcast in the styles of your videos

Maybe he's turned it around in the last few years, I go out of my way to avoid his content, but Goldbridge absolutely made his name through rage bait. He spent years trying to recapture the magic of AFTV, just with United.

for the most part chasing views for interaction and money has become more important than offering any rational insight into football.

This can be summed up in a couple of sentences. Football fans turn away from tv pundits because they're pompous, arrogant bellends... Watch "real fans" online and it's fun because it feels like you're down the pub with your mates... "Real fans" turn into pompous, arrogant bellends.

It's the internet, nothing and nobody should ever be trusted 100%. From Football to Trainspotting channels, there's plenty of the 'oh look at me I'm precocious' types. Also, rivals will turn against those they dislike - I remember Adam Thurston getting bullied off of You Tube because he wanted to do his own thing and not be at the behest of others.

Bunch of Amateurs is a great channel. Dorking has taken the headlines in the National League and is a huge part of the channel. But they now follow Raynes Park Vale (another non league club) and they do a great job getting the fan perspective while taking you behind the scenes at a pro/semi-pro football club.

reading some of the comments and its apparent many of you are young without family or responsibilities (beyond paying for things you want - kids, rent, bills, mortgage, future). I watched Mark Goldbridge's interview with Laurence and it was incredibly well done. I also think that Laurence was incredibly understanding of what occurred - very mature to understand that they had to do what they had to do to ensure they were ok. Rory has a young child I believe and honestly, no matter how difficult, that child would take precedence over friends - they have to. Laurence said he has been untouchable until recently. As a father of a young child, that would not have been thinkable for Rory. Could things have been done differently - yes! But Laurence admits they did things wrong. By keeping them on the "payroll" and not giving them part of the company (something Laurence said they should have done) TG and Laurence kept part of their relationship as business. I don't blame "the club" boys for doing the same. For all the commenting about how they put the kickoff down the list in the tiers, I didn't see that but honestly, it isn't what it was. It is a shadow of itself. It's what brought be back to watch EPL - I loved it. Like sitting with the gang watching and ribbing each other. It's not that anymore. I hope it does find its feet again.

The people who switched up in loz and Brian were never true fans, the real ones understood.

These are strange times in a strange land.

Vizeh your a real one for this video here

Man's smashing out the good stuff

I don't understand how everything has now become a The Club hitpiece. They doing their own thing, let them do it. Football RU-vid drame is so cringe.

As a Blackburn fan, I might avoid the next one.

It's also fascinating that Rory and Lawrence did a video together like 3 days ago 👀

Its the guys that treat football like it only started in the 90s. They have no understanding of football pre the PL. Imagine Maradona at the height of his powers playing today where no-one can really tackle him anymore, its frightening. Football tiday is a tame version of the game i grew up with its sanitised to within an inch of its life abd alk anyone cares about is money money money. Fans don't care if its a despotic dictatorship with an awful human rights record as long as it makes their club a challenger Fans are different from 30 years ago now its me me me.

Can also that the The Fellas studios knew that they would make money with them and got them onto their podcast group quick

Goldbridge was ridiculous when he began and you can see other creators trying to copy him. Now they do this while Goldbridge is becoming far more moderate and level headed but still gives a taster to the fans from the early days to keep them happy.

Nothing wrong with them leaving but to leave the way they did was terrible. Not even a thank you to the guy who gave them a career.

Separating Goldbridge from the rage/click-baiters is extremely charitable.

It's quite telling that The Kick Off has deleted all of the videos containing the guys from The Club from its channel...

The reality is your all sad.

Loz just did a video with Rory Jennings for the Liverpool vs Chelsea cup final recently so I don't think he has contempt for the Club guys.

I think you have a bigger problem with The Club than Loz. He's just done a video with Rory. I think he understands now, why they made those moves