I'm surprised that there wasn't further discussion on female rappers having to meet high physical standards of beauty. It seems that if a female rapper is not conventionally attractive and/nor hypersexual then they won't be able to achieve as much success and widespread critical acclaim. It is the double-edged sword of the current era of female rappers owning their sexuality for financial gain.
But what I don't get is there are those who are making inroads based on substance and not style, i.e. Noname, Rhapsody, etc. I guess if they want to make it commercially - extraordinarily so - then yeah, but it's not the only way to make it.
I think that's a misnomer there. For one there is a difference between ''owning their sexuality'' and overt hyper self-sexualization. The latter being what most of these females do. Secondly they don't have to go this route, that's similar to saying male rappers have to rap about gangster or street life to make it......you can CHOOSE that route if you want to follow trends or copy others/ do what sales, or you can choose not to.
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y. I mean Noname retired because she felt she wasn't being embraced by the culture while Rapsody seems to be the exception. There are others but they are considerably underground.
A lot of men find a lot of female rappers unattractive. You're thinking of Nikki Minaj, Meg, etc but you're forgetting about people like Young MA who couldn't give a fuck about looking attractive to men.
@@angeluvsvidnot defending that type of behavior because that's absolutely disgusting. But the fact that is your gut reaction is also super toxic and overall a bad mindset to have tbh.
@@non_brewed_condiment he wanna take her dignity and her worth not to mention integrity and self respect so yeah he should lose something in the process the total machination that gives him the ammunition and power to hold over these women the means for them to go live with their art as well be able to sustain their careers and support their own families he should had thought about the repercussions of his actions took her licensee contractual payment for features with dignity and move on as it stands i hope it happens to every other Top Artists /Producers who decides to violate others rights for a feature or song produced
@@angeluvsvid again, I'm not defending his actions at all. But what you're suggesting doesn't actually do anything to promote a real change or prevent this from happening to someone else. It's why "cancel culture" or whatever you want to call it is a flawed solution. It just fills the emotional desire to get revenge on someone who has done something deplorable but rarely does anything to actually create real, lasting, cultural change. The idea is that he gets deplatformed and then because of that others who might be inclined to behave the same way will be less likely to for fear of the same repercussions but that almost never happens. It just makes those kind of people watch their step, go to greater lengths to hide their behavior and find more subtle but equally brutal ways to cause harm. As I said, deplatforming fills an emotional desire to see someone who has done something wrong be punished or "get what they deserve" but it's not a real solution, it just gives the illusion of being a solution. Real solutions that actually help people are complicated, they take time and they rarely result in the emotional satisfaction that punishment does but they are what's needed if we actually want to put a stop to this kind of behavior. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be punished, I think he does, but we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that does anything to create lasting change.
What’s always been so wild to me is that when I, as a straight black male, used to acknowledge my favorite female rappers, I’d be called gay and looked at differently simply for recognizing the talent? The argument was always “If you’re listening to this then you must resonate with it deeply” like why can’t I just respect it?
It's the same reason that growing up as a metal fan my metal head friends would act as if its sacrilege when I'd say a pop song was good, it's just general insecurity in your own sense of self. Some people mistakenly tie a genre of music or gender of a musician to something deep within them that they refuse to deal with and just judge and hate others for not having those same issues. If enjoying a song sung or rapped by a woman turns a guy gay then I think 100% of men would be gay because damn I can list about a hundred great songs by female artists I recognize.
This is the entire industry...and all these women that make it big have given in one way or another...ppl are just reluctant to mention it. How can one talk about being sexually exploit in the industry but then make sexually provocative music unless directed. Who wants to teach young girls to be vulgar and or act like men...that's all constructed and these women play the game and get in line in one way or another plain and simple there's no denying there's a price for fame and these men hold the key to their success in these male driven industries. There's no field ran by women that men didn't give women the access to so that means men still run it behind the scenes.
@@Dreadboi1990 Just bc one has access doesn't mean they have to be a predator. It's predominant in white collar as well, what should we do as women? Shirk back from applying for a corporate job. Sexually provocative music doesn't mean a person is inviting sexually provocative behavior. I don't believe in listening or propelling sexual music nor dressing sexually, that doesn't mean a greenlight should be given to treat a SUBORDINATE in a sexual manner. People like LATTO got money so she ain't having it.
If these rappers were working in corporate jobs this would be considered harassment. This is really disgusting and is being laughed at like it's funny!
and if most female rappers were working in corporate jobs they would be considered prostitutes & escorts. so what's your point?? and women have been exploiting themselves to get what they what from men since the beginning of time so it's hilarious to watch you black feminist cl0wns in this era of karen culture. drop the every-woman-is-a-victim mentality. it's silly.
@George Gershwin so if a woman has a carreer she shouldn't call out groomers, predators and abusers? Let's remember Kodak admited to raping an underage. Your comment is ridiculous
Nah just cause Nicki has the sex appeal and does throw in some sexual bars, does not discredit her from being a great lyricist. If you really get into her catalogue, this woman can spit bars like a top MC, without it being about sex or her body. People just like to generalize her because of her mainstream stuff, but her albums can prove otherwise.
Let’s be honest Nicki is a great rapper but no where near a top tier lyrical rapper thought she’d do it with Queen but she dropped the ball for majority of the album
Rap seems to be the only genre to constantly label artists as female. You rarely if ever hear Stevie Nicks referred to as one of the best female rock singers of all time, or Whitney Houston as one of the best female pop singers of all time. They’re just topping lists of best singers or vocalists of all time. Dolly Parton isn’t one of the greatest country female artists, she’s just one of the greatest country artists period. No one would have a problem debating Aretha Franklin vs Frank Sinatra but if you did Nicki Minaj vs anyone on most top 15 rapper lists, a lot of people would find it a laughable comparison. They’re all rappers, why is adding the “female” always necessary?
Because the origins of the nature of rap are very male oriented - even more than other genres. It's just what it is, the idea of showing and proving is more of a male trait than it is female. Even when the ladies rap, it comes off like girls rapping because of their feminine energy - which is not a bad thing but it's not what old heads listen to hip hop for. I think the new generation will change that but it will take a while before that happens.
@@mildmayheadless5217 That's the issue, male rap has done like everything at this point at been on the charts in someway. Most people would say now with female rap if it ain't raunchy it ain't poppin' like that. Which is a means to gatekeep women too that they need to be sexual to get that pop. When hip hop is overall about being real, so people do check if they're really about that life they're talking about. I think a lot of people check women's sexuality like "no way in hell you doing all that" like how they check dudes when they say they "bust guns, push product, have hoes".
Eve is highly underrated. She was highly skilled and was sexy without "using her sexuality" and she still is never mentioned. So even if you walk the perfect tight rope, there are no guarantees.
You should also checkout Ivy Sole (I think Ivy Sole is non-binary actually), Leikeli47 and Tkay Maidza who also just released this year. Right now, they’re pushing “female rap” as if it’s a specific genre- which is it consequentially becoming. The content matter is all the same, same type of beats and even the visuals are the same. They’re trying to make every female rapper fit into a package that is marketable for crossover and due to it being watered down, it is making it look like women can’t rap. That simply isn’t true. We’re currently dealing with the repercussions of having an industry plant (Cardi B) from the clout era who openly said she was just using hip hop as a come up being pushed to ‘queen’ status just because people wanted to see Nicki have a rival. Female rap isn’t an aesthetic… it should just be about fly MCs who just so happen to be women. I’m serious, though, check out all those artists lol. I’m tired of the best female
Che fire and she'll never be a commercial success.. she'll keep a pocket fan base just like rappers like WestSide Gunn will.. he'll never be commercial but he'll eat with his fans forever
There's a lot to mention when it comes to this subject, but the mistreatment of Rico Nasty by Playboi Carti's fans while she was opening for him on tour is def something to discuss.
@@SadesBD It does have a lot to do with the fact she is a woman. People feel more comfortable disrepecting her, than if a grimy male rapper was on stage. You can't tell me they'd throw a bottle at a male rapper, and not expect to get laid out on thee floor.
Nicki Minaj, Lil Kim, and other who write their own music and can wrap about anything. Nicki killed MONSTER which stapled her as a great. She was keeeping up with the best of um
Just when I thought Kodak Black couldn’t be a bigger clown I go ahead and listen to the first minute of this video. 🙄 I think one thing that holds female rappers back is the inability to evolve or progress their sound. Emphasizing sex in all of their music is a problem as well. I honestly think it hurts their music because you’re making your performance more of a visual than it is audio. The best musicians on the planet can make music without needing to “see them”. Daft Punk has a 25 year, multi millionaire dollar career and no one has ever seen their faces.
Pusha T has been making drug lord coke raps for two decades. Jay Z has a career consisting of mainly two types of content: albums about how he used to sell drugs and how rich he is. Future's entire shtick is how he's a drug enthusiast and toxic. But somehow y'all always end up circling back to this tired talking point that women who rap are stagnant and have one sound (sex). I've bought every Nicki Minaj album and listened to all of her mixtapes. It's impossible to listen to any of her projects and just hear sex. Cardi B has one album, what's a song on it that's comparable to "Big Booty Hoes" or "Nasty Boy" by BIG? And even if they rapped entirely about sex, make that same complaint about the men that rap. It's not like 2 Live Crew, Too Short, or UGK (Megan Thee Stallion literally being influenced by Pimp C) ever shied away from sex, especially the first two. "Pop That 🐱," We Want Some 🐱," "BJ Betty," "Face Down 🍑 Up," "The F Shop," "Me So Horny," "Cocktails"....it's laughable how long I can go on with these songs. And I'm not even going to dissect the part about visuals because there isn't enough time in the world to to that. I'll just say refer to "Disco Inferno," "Tip Drill," 95% of 2 Live Crew's videos, and "Taste" and leave it at that.
As long as they push sex they get radio play..when they actually on consciousness & being lyrical they don't really get no play & I hate it,its really some ladies that got bars but cuz they don't look a certain way or aren't selling sex they don't get no promotion or notoriety...in my opinion
@@10onit ???? Literally 2 of the most celebrated artists of our generation, Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole, have conscious rap as part of their catalog. TF?!
@@seeyoucu Uhhhh planez and wet dreamz isn't conscious, both song are rapping about xxs. Conscious rappers like joyner Lucas, hopsin, daxx who make corny conscious music with each record are not on top 😂.
@@seeyoucu it’s true, however they still need those “radio hits” to build the hype. Which is the genius of a song like “Humble” because it had some meaningful messaging with a more popular/current sound.
A big factor in making it big is relatability, not just how good of a rapper you are. The music has to connect. Think about it for a second, everyone that’s at the top…their music connects with a wide demographic, conscious or not. I’m not tryna generalize but a lot of female mc’s I’ve seen aren’t relatable. There’s a few talented ones that aren’t about all that sexual “my pu**y the best” bullshit, but at the end of the day I can’t relate with them, only pay my respects and continue listening to the artists I connect with. Even the female rappers I listen to, it’s never a lot in their catalogue, just a select few songs that caught my attention
In my opinion the saddest part of female rappers has to do with Gatekeeping. So many young girls try their hardest to break out of the box to become acknowledged as artists. But once they do so, they all seem so reluctant to assist and help other female artists shine. So many other reasons I can't delve into, but female rapping is like the amazon, to women, there can only be one
I see where you are coming from, however there has been a lot of females placed to be someone’s competition and their replacement cause that’s just what the industry wants. So it can be nerve racking to think you can be used to boost your replacement then discarded. You have to move smart and not just give your “clout” to anybody. I think men have more successful collabs and are more comfortable collating because the only “one” rule doesn’t apply as much.
@@nikibronson133 This rhetoric of Nicki Minaj being used by up and coming female rappers is tired and old 😴 the girls genuinely love her but she wants people to kiss her ass 24/7 and you can’t even breathe next to anyone she has a problem with.
It is very clear that this newer generation enjoy collaboration and it is also quite clear the one person who is not quite ready to relinquish some of her power/influence.
Little Simz is the perfect example of how a female rapper can gain respect by the people by just being themselves and not trying to fit in within the industry. she is honestly the best female rapper in the world rn and its not even close imo.
Simz is absolutely wonderful, but the problem isn't the person trying to fit within the industry, it's the industry moving the goal posts, and the frequently toxic, click-bait community that pits that person against another who may share the same race, ethnicity, or gender.
Nicki Minaj need her respect for never fuckin a producer/rapper for shit. Female rappers gotta deal with so much and it takes so much energy to control your career like how she did. Top 5 rap artists period.
The main issue is that ACTUAL MCs get no love cos they don’t shake their ass and spit about hyper sexual shit all the time. Che Noir, 7xvethegenius, Rhapsody just to name a few are unbelievable lyricists and have flows and rhymes that rival any MC regardless of Gender. I completely understand what some of these women go through and how abhorrent it is, but even they themselves don’t put any of their fans onto incredible women that can rap amongst the best, or even uplift them. I’m probably gonna get a lot of backlash for this as well and I understand a certain aspect of this could be label pressure, but if I’m listening to an entire album of “fuck men” & “my pussy so tight and my ass is fat” then I’m not going to take them that seriously. There’s a fine line between being sexually empowered and then being overtly hyper sexual just to sell songs and records. We live in an age where independent artists can make a pretty amazing living and build a great fan base without the intervention of a label. Doja cat said “they’ll put you in a box” but at the same time, she isn’t trying to break away from that formulae? Again the label has a lot of control of these women for sure, but I rarely see an attempt to change or switch it up.
Another issue I wished you'd spoke on is the colorist, there are so many dark skin female rappers who aren't getting their big break all because they dark skinned
It was way more easier when Nicki was by herself in the industry and everybody wanted her these new rappers today won’t survive after 5 years because they won’t switch it up these girls lack versatility and even if some are versatile they not getting the recognition they deserve because the industry wanna push club twerking music
Let's keep it real whenever a label is promoted a female Rapper What's their main appeal !?! Need a sec ok times up its there looks there body an sexualize everything! Basically they have the girl sell u a sexual illusion of a fantasy that u will never experience with that person
Lol @ that last part. You think you'll ever get a chance with these women when you listen to their music 😂? They aren't trying to appeal to men 😂, more to women in the current (xxx) liberating culture.
That’s why i Love Lauryn & Missy. Bcs they‘re the Definition of „ i don’t need show my body to get more attention & still can be successful“. I Love Nicki & Kim But they‘re the biggest reason why female rap is more about body selling & new female rappers coming in the Game with their fake bodies. And most of them sound wack asf.
...thank you. Lauryn and Missy are prime examples to disprove this what I hear about ''hard for female emcees''......it's hard for EVERYONE to get on in hip hop. Hip hop is probably the most finicky genre when it comes to the audience and business aspects of it. Missy and Lauryn succeeded the same reason their male counterparts did........fuckin undeniable talent and drive.
It’s not just with rap. Tina turner had to do the same thing back in the day. Not everyone has angelic vocals and lyricism or beat making skills like missy and lauryn. The issue is that it takes legendary talent to not show your body in the industry and survive, while men can (but not always) have mediocre looks and subpar talent . That’s why it’s called a double standard
@@cnmmmmmmmm ...you think these female MC's mentioned are top tier lyrically? I'd argue most are not outside of Nicki and a couple others.....I mean how much skill can you show when most of your subject matter is about fuckin?
Its way harder to actually mean something with your lyrics without bein called corny or being completely over looked, than talkin bout sex and gettin horny dudes to fall in line. I dont have a problem with the latter, but it just feels like female artists (or the ones on top) are actively trying to discredit and ruin the image of this new movement of female rappers by not releasing anything of substance and fore thought and focusing on sexualizing themselves more and more, then complaining how they dont get credit and "are just doing what guys have been doin for years".
They could release a few things of substance...but once you get signed...you gotta do and push the type of music they want you to push unfortunately. Its no secret bruh...open ya eyes. We see how a lot of these women rappers were and what they were talking about before they got signed...and you see most of their stuff and their whole image is over-sexualized. Same as the men rappers gotta push this gangsta shit on the youth. But nobody asks Why though. 🤔
Can you blame them though? Sex sells and they know it. This is more of a "problem" within the wider hip-hop cumunity. If people supported female musicians that didn't talk about sex, then that's the type of music they would produce, it's as simple as that. It's a business at the end of the day, and people do what sells.
I never understood why men get so damned vindictive when a female rapper becomes successful. Talent is talent. Also, using sex appeal to measure the worth of someone's art or their intelligence is factually wrong. I was just watching an LL video a few days ago, saw a Plies video, a Nelly video, a 50 video, and they are all bare-chested with freshly applied baby oil to their skin. That is no different than a woman who bares her skin, yet women get chastised for it. It's ridiculous, and hypocrisy of the highest level.
Well no, it is different. Men and women aren't the same, especially when it comes to sex. The equivalent of women baring their skin, for a man is to spend resources on a woman, since men objectify women's beauty and women objectify men's wealth. The dangers of early and high sexual activity is way higher for women and a lot of the most popular songs endorse it as well. It's pretty damaging socially. I wouldn't want my daughter to start acting and talking like them.
@@tegy140 wait, might have misread it. Do you mean the difference is in that male gets respect either way while women gain less because they're attractive?
@@minimunk7 I mean yeah look at all of those attractive men they are all pretty respected in the industry but if a female runs around shirtless showing off how attractive they are oh she's just dumb and she only got in here because she's attractive but just because you got something because people know that you're attractive does not mean that you're stupid or that you're not talented. And is a female that wears a whole bunch of different styles I know for a fact that if I'm dressed in one that is more feminine and more showy versus if I'm dressed either Gothic or tomboy it's a different level of respect
I think Nicki Minaj is the golden standard. She has constantly released good solo music and collaborations. She’s a good lyricist, she’s got good beats, she can switch up her flows and is pretty creative in changing herself musically and in the eyes of the public. She has also started showing that even if she has a nice body she doesn’t necessarily have to show it off. This body positivity and reservation is something that I would like to see more with women rappers. This isn’t just dressing to show skin and claiming body positivity as their reason especially since it hasn’t been shown to be effective. If they think they are too sexualized, instead of showing more, show less to imply they are more than their body.
@@madddoggnogood1491 well buy her shit when she put it out, Missy last album, nobody bought it but keep saying she’s the best. Where’s her fan base? Nicki has a fan base like no other In rap
Thank you for making this video. There’s so much more to the story. Women in the industry are seen as sex workers to the businessmen, & that’d not what they’ve signed up for. They just wanna make music. Look up Ashanti’s story, so sad. Everyone was clawing at Aaliyah not just R Kelly (JayZ, Timbaland…)
*Honestly I think it’s right for all female rappers to get their shine equally. Of course everybody knows that hip-hop has always been a competitive genre in music but it’s always been a lot harder for females to get the respect in hip-hop more than men.*
hip hop revolves around drugs/crime/bitches. that lifestyle. most hip hop artist don’t respect females and some are real pimps and not just studio gangsters. how are females suppose to make it in a industry/genre that already looks at them as objects
It only deserves equal shine if their work and talent is equally as good and creative as their male counterparts, which for most female rapper right now it’s not
I just praise how hip hop in the 90s that people and labels allowed for there to be a diversity of female rappers. There was Salt n Pepa, Queen Latifah, Kim, Left Eye, Missy, Foxy, Lauryn, Eve etc etc. Now there just one look and sound for a female artist. Its over saturated and boring. If you’re not a Dollar Store Lil Kim you’re not gonna be mainstream, period. I think thats what the real problem is.
"Exoticals" are labeled as black female rappers and get to the top of the pop charts while still being called queens of rap🤔 (I'm just calling it like I see it and I have a mixed race kid. ) Let's address it🥲
As a recording artist, singer-songwriter and “female rapper” (which I don’t typically like to categorize myself because of the stereotypes) who is currently working on perfecting my craft I genuinely appreciate this video for the discussion it promotes and for inspiring me creatively.
Sadly u might end up going through this too. But I hope u don’t. Keep you’re head up and keep making dope shit. Fuck the dudes who only want a pretty face/body. Music is gonna speak for itself💯
Sadly, this true for EVERYONE in the entertainment industry (including men). I STRUGGLED for close to 2 decades in the industry once I became an adolescent. This is when the demands for sex in exchange for stardom started and was heavy. Didn't matter if the tasks were big or small...as a teen, a vocal coach I was sent to would say "ok,...for the next step, I'll do this but you have to give me a kiss 1st." That led up to "now on the lips...". I ended the session at that point (never was boy crazy so getting anything out of me just wasn't happening). I had men ready to sign me saying "you gotta give me some 1st." I tried working with women but they showed signs of jealousy and/or less passion. I decided to manage my career on my own accumulating a lot of debt and sadly couldn't afford top studio budgets so my material was often loss by engineers that didn't have the best equipment. Its been a rough journey...I believe bc I haven't laid down on the casting couch. I am confident I will eventually run into a professional that sees me as an artist.
Nicki should be in the middle on the thumbnail. Not making it a big deal out of it, but Nicki is the standard, and she has risen the bar for mainstream rap 💋🦄. She can rap without oversexulizing herself, and can out rap a lot of her male peers.
forget "female rappers" 💀the Best female ARTIST to me are ; Lauryn, Nicki, Mary J, Aaliyah, Monica, Britney, Avril, Beyoncè & Rihanna. You know... the female artist with source in their music
Can you even imagine someone bussin him? Ew. Same with Rick. I mean two ugly rappers using their position to sleep with beautiful women because they can't any other way (other than paying for it). Smh.
Female Rappers should be treated with the same respect and decency as male rappers...in a perfect world. Till then I hope all dem perverts get outted og
It wasn't always like that.....I don't know what happened but within the last five years MOST of these rap ladies are carbon copies of themselves....20 years ago we had more variety
Most of them aren't talented enough to be successful without selling sex. Most of the girls in the thumbnail couldn't keep up with Rah digga, Mia X, Eve, Remy Ma, Queen Latifah or Lauren Hill lyrically. So they adopt stripper personas to compensate
Salute to the OGs like Queen Latifah, Missy Elliot, Lil Kim, etc. They made their presences felt and didn’t really sabotage their images into something sexual or anything malicious. Now it’s all the same sex sex rap and just pure explicitness. Gotta remember your physical image can depict who you are man or woman
I recently stopped recording music specifically bc of this issue. I was working with a guy in London who was really trying to change me and how I wanted to do my music and at the same time like trying to get with me it was weird and he hated black women after I saw some hateful post from him on black women I straight called it quits. This next situation was a rough one bc this involved ppl I cared about and thought of as close to me. I was going out with a guy and me and his friend was a producer. They’ve been recording music for sometime and I always wanted to be my own producer so I don’t have to run into problems like I dealt with and bc I like to experiment without someone calling my music and lyrics corny. We spent so much time together that I was comfortable enough to record with his friend by myself. That was mistake one, as he kinda like pressured me into drinking saying that it’ll calm my nerves bc I was super nervous to sing in front of someone since I haven’t done so in over ten years. He kept pouring shots and bc I’m like ok he’s looking out for me and I do need to loosen up I kept taking them. The session is over and he suggest we work on it and also chill and watch anime( I’m an anime head so I was like coo) next thing ik im being touched on and asked if I can have my 🐈 yk.. I was so like in shock the first thing I said bc my drunk self was drunk was like I love the guy I’m with and he proceededs to like try and convince me with telling me all kinds of f boy shit.. the meaning of my rant is it’s not even higher ups. Any dude who think he has any type of clout and type of power think it’s enough to try and manipulate a girl whose looking for a way in.. instead we get sexualized gaslit with saying it wasn’t even like that when it was and just wrote off and not giving an opportunity just bc we don’t want to give it up.. idk if I’ll go back to singing but if I do it’s gonna bc I’m in control and not bc I need someone to get me into a studio.. I can do it myself.. sorry for the long comment this topic is very important to me.. bc I really want to record and make music and sing..
I agree 100% this topic is VERY important to discuss. I’m sorry you went through that & hope you know that if you feel in your heart you were sent to this earth to make music know this WE NEED YOU & YOUR VOICE & YOUR PERSPECTIVE. Whereever you are I am sending you love, light and support! Keep your head up! Also feel free to message me if ever I am in the same boat I want to learn how to produce my own music 🧡
@@yazameenmusic I am a very emotional person so seeing your message man my heart is warm❤️❤️ thank you fr, bc I’m still like dealing with a lot with a lot lmao if that makes sense. I’m still like struggling w/ it bc the guy I was seeing victim blamed and I’m just like bruh 😭 lol yo I got so much to say in my music and it’s hard but I still try and get up and do covers and try and write lyrics for when I do start producing officially. And, yes love I am very open to getting your information and working together bc I have so much I wanna plan but it’s just me and I want a team of ppl with me bc with that it helps me get out of my depression mode seeing a team of ppl whose ready to like do some magic! All my producing equipment is in storage( lol I got so many stories) but yes let’s stay in contact 💜🥺
The truth is that if a woman doesn't have sex appeal in some degree or another, they won't get the shine that they otherwise rightfully deserve. Outliers to this are Lauryn Hill and Missy Elliot, as their talent was so great that it outshined whatever sex appeal they needed to have in order to shine, but rappers like Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, Nicki Minaj, Cardio B, and any of the new age female rappers have to show some cleavage or be thick to appeal to the mainstream.
I think the big point here is that female artists are looked at as a separate category when talking about rap. It’s like when a kid in school says “you’re pretty *add compliment here* for a girl.” That is always the leading point to crown a queen of rap and it’s like the moment you aren’t the clear favorite artist, you are “washed”. It’s not even like females fall off, it’s more that they are pointed in the direction of another female and they go berserk
A really strange thing I often see is that female rappers shouldn't promote "sexuality or looks" or they say that a woman isn't judged on those things or effected yet if you listen to someone like Kodak and I'm sure plenty of other rappers they literally are basing a massive career move on exactly those things and holding a massive feature hostage for these girls yet they will give a terrible rapper a feature that is a man for the smallest of things and not only that but the guys that are massive except for a select few literally talk about sex, money, drugs and opps. There is a different standard for women in hip hop for sure.
Female rappers focus more on anything "butt" the craft of hip hop, that's why most of them don't really get respect, shout outs to Nicki, Snow the Product, Lauryn Hill, Armani Ceasar, this girls are true lyricist that respect hip hop and still maintain their fair share of feminitity in music, not like cardi b who yeah, does mainstream pop rap music but everything is made for her while her only work is only to be a performer
Ngl, after watching that really good The Game video, I was scared to open this one, bc its thumbnail & title make it look like it'll be about "the problem? they're selling sex" (many quality video essayists are sadly exhibiting such attitudes). But I'm glad I did. This was really informative and on point, all the best to you creatively. That Kodak quote is so cringe lol
I've been into hip hop since the early 80s! Beat street was my introduction to the culture I love. I'm from Birmingham UK and we now have a healthy sceene of our own . Mc light, sha rock, Lisa Lisa, Roxanne shante, the real Roxanne, salt and pepper. Queen latifa and the lady of rage all pioneers of the game all very different in style n delivery and subject matter they rap about .IMO the female mc's of that era wasnt over sexualized but sex sells . Unfortunately nowa days looks seem more important than ability and CONTENT. Peace from Birmingham UK. Gud video.
Yes! Let's give these Queens their flowers!!!❤ Kodak is disgusting. The whole attitude in the genre towards women is so so disgusting. Let's celebrate respecting people AS individuals, regardless of gender.
People are shocked by this? First off, the music business is disgusting in general. That said rap needs to evolve as a culture and it's failing to do so. I understand the black experience is more difficult than anyone else in America in many circumstances, but how long are we gonna do the I'll unalive you, bitches aint shit, look and my mansions and chains garbage? Until dumbasses stop eating it up! That's when. The consumer is at fault here as well tbh.
Missy Elliot in my opinion is the Best Female MC of all time!!. She could rap, sing, dance, write, produce!!! That woman could literally do it all!! If talent was a person it would be Missy!!!!
Disagree…… kim outshined all male rappers on her features and they are the crème da le crème….. ( Biggie, Jayz, DMX, The Lox, Mobb Deep, TooShort, Snoop, etc) …
Most of them were not really that talented. But they were marketable. They signed deals that made them rich and label owners were compensated for making these mediocre women stars.
So what’s the excuse for the less than mediocre men that we see on our tvs. If this is them as stars I don’t even wanna know what they were before they signed a record deal 🤢
Even before watching the video I would just say that the response of the hiphop/black to Latto speaking out is one of the most appalling things I've seen recently. The number of people going 'oh look how dress, listen to what they rap, they're asking for it etc' is mind blowing. And for those who don't want to stare the truth in the face, this is a BLACK thing. If this was a white pop singer talking about a major white artist demanding sex there would be such an uproar within that community that it would be in the NYT the next day. Latto? She just got joked on. People in the black community thought it was hilarious that it might be Kodak. Kodak Black literally said on the Breakfast Club that he's trying to fuck any female artist he signs. Nothing happened to him. Can you imagine any other genre where an artist can say that in public and NOT be hounded out of the industry?? Hiphop absolutely condones this shit. It's the influence of rancid Street mentality.
Misogyny isn't a Black thing. Casting couches existed in Hollywood before rap was invented, so its nothing to do with "street" mentality or any other Black code words. NYT not reporting on Lotto doesn't mean the Black community condones sexual harassment. It means the old yt people running NYT don't follow thot rap enough to care. Harvey Weinstein ACTUALLY did what Kodak talked about. I guess thats was hip hops fault too?
The crazy thing to me is how insane the double standards are and how openly some of these guys will just say that it's okay if they talk about sex and drugs or spend a ton of money on fashion but if a woman does it then clearly she only wants to be seen as a body or piece of meat. Then some people just flat out hate women openly and say that a woman can't even be a talented rapper. You will hear a guy say that female rappers shouldn't talk about their body or sex if they don't want to be seen that way yet in the video Kodak is openly saying that he doesn't care about the artist's ability or talent, if it's a woman then the only way he will help their career massively with a feature or cosign is by literally only seeing them as a sex object. Yet Kodak will rap with an absolutely trash male rapper for free over the smallest of things. It's just sad how open these famous rappers say these things and then teach their fans that it's okay.
@@shon0032 A lot of the guys on here don't even understand what respect even is because they literally use the phrase "feminine mindset" as an insult to other guys which literally shows that they are flat out saying that women have thoughts that are less than theirs. I just can't stand it, guy's saying that girls only use their body for fame and that girls are crazy and emotional yet the guys I read on here idolize rappers over fancy clothes, spend hours defending anything creepy or horrible their hero rapper says but then using those exact same things they defend as ridicule but for women, call women crazy and over emotional while literally being willing to hurt or murder another person for saying mean words that every person is taught to deal with when they are 2 since words will never hurt me. I mean it's all just insane, I'm a guy obviously and I am straight but damn what is so manly or fucking cool about this stuff, I've always had the most wonderful women in my life and just seeing all these comments flat out seeming to move back years and years of social progress towards acting like we all aren't somehow the exact same brain piloting a literal meat suit. We're all just fucking brains in a pile of moving meat, everything that makes us an individual is in the electrons and neurons firing off but apparently we still can't escape the mindset of girls having "coodiez or coming from Jupiter because they're stupider" I'm sorry for the rant.
Yeah it’s a tough one here. There’s a lot of women who can rap and rap WELL. But that stuff definitely doesn’t get pushed to the forefront. Honestly it doesn’t for the men either. The ones in the current era who are “backpack” rappers had to find a blend for it to hit the mainstream (Cole, Kendrick etc). A lot of the stuff that is popular now is all very materialistic and sexual which makes it even harder for the female rappers who want respect. Because if they’re not rapping about sex or anything related, how can they make it? Its hard to want to “own your sexuality”because everything that serves the male gaze has been rebranded as “empowering". It’s like, yeah own that shit but that’s going to continue the trend of men sexualizing women and it’s a continuous loop. There’s a lot of female MCs who are great now but if you ask the average person who they are, they wouldn’t be able to tell you. It seems to me the only way out of this would be to slow down on the sexualization of everything and rap about something else 🤷🏻♂️
Objectively Modern Female rappers are just hyper sexualized and not many stand out from each other (They all look like a carbon copy of Nicki and Cardi who they themselves are copies of Lil Kim and Remy) and objectively speaking a rack of them are god awful on the mic and aint really coming with anything to the table. It reminds me of Soundcloud rappers. The get put on for a hot second and then fall off. Every week im hearing from Akademiks talking about another new female rapper (Sound familiar?) and I find my self asking questions like "Wait aint that Cardi B" and n!ggas be like "lmfao Nah that Saweetie lol". Frfr the only two females that can adapt to changing times are Nicki and Cardi. All im saying is come with something different. Looks can only get you so far.
Despite being seen as empowering for some reason, all these female rappers who only talk about what they look like only self objectify, not showing their talent or thoughts on anything. Someone like Simz and Jean grae are far better for women in my opinion
Then support them? Men love this rhetoric but don’t actually ever do anything about it and only bring them up to put down this newer style of rapping. It’s also quite demeaning to say that these women are not showing their talents or thoughts just because it’s music you don’t personally enjoy? Interrogate why you think like that.
@@VENIKA Exactly!! People like Kodak, Gunna, Future etc. can get away with making the bare minimum and get a fraction of the flack female rappers get! I am not a fan of Saweetee or Cardi, but they get a lot of shit for the doing the same thing the male mainstream has been doing!
@@VENIKA As a Londoner Simz is one of my favourite rappers around so I do support more lyrical female rappers. And it's not that I just don't like their music, but talking about sex and their body can only be done so many times and in so many flows etc for it to be interesting for very long. I'd rather hear someone talk about their life story or the world or something that the average person would want to or should hear
@@VENIKA how can you defend this, when you have little girls out here really trying to emulate these rappers. Like explain that. Shit seems inspiring and uplifting to you, but what is it teaching young girls 🤔
Ironic, all the Nicki's, Cardi's, all wanna be taken seriously but REAL MC's like (my very best today) Rapsody is always overshadowed by those who concentrate on how ratchet they look. To me, and I'm sorry to say this, but I'll never be interested in the likes of Cardi, Nicki, or even Megan, who I think lyrically is the best of them all, but they're just more on a visual thing more than lyrical. Rapsody is by far one of, not just female, but all round best lyricists today and it kills me that she gets over looked
I've never seen a Hip Hop Website put credibility on the line to support Strippers over ♀️ Rappers. I will remind you about this every time I see you publish something
a lot of this is the sad truth that some can be marginalized in a creative space, but I feel the way to break that mold is just grind and find a way to be successful but not sexualize your image at the same time. that way the sexual way of thinking will not be or less associated with said female rapper. like NoName but if she was somehow Doja cat popular. that in turn would open up a path for these rappers to just be known for their art if they please. Nikki is a Goat, but she is the inverse example of my hypothetical, and she created this current path for these women that this video was talking about.
This is true, Nikki filled the void of Missy when she got sick. Missy was the balance to the female MC that could spit some good shit, be raunchy as hell and was respected. She'll have the most clothes on and was the baddest one on the line up. Nikki came up off the Lil Kim formula and perfected it.
I love a lot of my female artists! They be killing it. This perspective could be because I’m on the outside looking in, so forgive my take. I don’t mean to offend. With that being said, I don’t like hearing about vivid sexual encounters all the time. And I noticed that’s what the mainstream pushes. Now I understand sex sells, but HAVE MORALS! You don’t have to do wild stunts or dilute your message for listeners. This goes for men too! I hate hearing the vulgar and disrespectful lyrics towards our queens. Overall, on both sides, just cut the shit man! Be professional, understand that you got people that look up to y’all. Celebs complain about their image but make the dumbest decisions. I just don’t get it, reel it in a little bit and I bet most of them would be fine.
Yeah, and unfortunately some of these women artist still will do business with these types of guys...knowing how they feel about women and how they view them. SMH! 🤦♂️
To me as a rap fan who recognizes and respects talent in all kinds of rap, made by men or women, from countries around the world... the fact that so many people disrespect Nicki is absolutely wild. She's a top notch MC. Flow, voice, bars, rhymes, great production, style - it's all there. People are fucking stupid man.
Well, for me personally, I've never liked her vibe. That's part of the package. I like people who seem real. She doesn't to me and has also come across as an insufferable narcissist tbh. Also, if you're hyper commercialized (by choice for the most part lol) because you're in the entertainment industry as a rapper or an actor or a model people can get sick of you. That's another issue for me. I know her more for walking red carpets looking like a psycho b who thinks she owns the world as well as her personal drama much more than her actual art by a long shot. Maybe I'd be interested to learn more but I find her to off putting to be bothered, and her confronting Miley Cyrus like it was Tupac vs Biggie was one of the funniest, goofiest and most hilariously delusional things I've ever witnessed on tv. So thanks for that Nick lol.
Initial rant aside I do appreciate her being candid about plastic surgery. I think it's so bad that I've seen many women in rap address it. There's no ignoring it when you literally can't have a career without an ass the size of mars. So, but she addressed it nonetheless and I hope we can normalize natural bodies at some gdamn point in time regardless of how "hot" it is or not.
Anytime the topic of female rappers is brought up I feel like we ignore how there is only one actually thriving. The rest either are not on that talent level or are not pulling in those numbers.
Can you do an educated video on Christian hip-hop!?! It is honestly amazing how many artists that are some of the best in the game are Christian rappers.
Well Doja Cat is right about one thing, I do indeed view most female rappers as less smart than a lot of male rappers. Its not because they are women though, its because all they rap about is sex. If someone only raps about one thing and adds no creative wordplay or anything, then im going to look at them as less intelligent regardless of their gender. Doja Cat definitelly has way more creativity and originality than people like Nicki Minaj, Megan Thee Stallion, and Cardi B though so I respect her as an artist a LOT more than any of them.
At least they are up front about it. There are multiple doors in life, you get to choose which ones you walk through. It helps when there are signs on the doors.
