One time i talked about how mr satán( ye that Hercule name in me country) Will be tecnically a top tier figthet on animes Like baki . Even how postrayed as a weakling
@Wou He is pulling 488,400. That is the weight of multiple buildings. Tell me a single B or even most of A class that can lift a couple buildings on their back.
I think Mr Satan would be in S class, he's actually ridiculously strong if you compare him to some of the characters in OPM. He only seems weak compared to the Z fighters because they're really overpowered compared to him. Mr Satan also has a very high luck stat, much like King. Maybe not on par with Kings luck, but still very high. So that would also help him a lot against stronger opponents, even if just for survival purposes. So Mr Satan would basically be King, but if he was a strong fighter and still have very good luck.
Agreed, S class die, but then Blast solos. Tatsumaki is the only other one who might be able to do something. The saiyans at this point can't handle 100x gravity and Psykos applied 300x gravity to Tatsumaki which did nothing to her, so she could definitely apply more than that.
Gravity must work differently in dbz like power level.Because 10 x gravity literally crushing concrete and steel in boo saga by pui.Even though 10 times is not enough to do this kind of insane stuff.
The Saiyans’ inability to detect any ki from King would prompt them to depart the planet in fear before their pods collide in low orbit, resulting in their instant deaths.
If the pods collide in orbit it wouldn’t do anything as they would just fly down to earth, they can still survive in the vacuum of space for a short period of time while holding their breath
They can't sense power at this point though. What would likely happen, is that the scouter would explode when they tried to scan him, and then they would flee.
Before watching, my guess: -Tatsumaki would survive but may not have the strength to kill Vegeta -Blast would kill them both, probably with little effort -King would obviously survive and terrify them both into leaving the planet
After watching: I think you were pretty spot on, but I'm disappointed you forgot about the GOAT, King. I can just imagine Nappa getting ready to rush in and smash King, but King doesn't even flinch, triggering Vegeta to have that "Watch out Nappa!" moment which causing Nappa to stop short of striking him. That is when Vegeta would have the power level reading moment and say that his power level must be too high for the scouter to read and that they should leave before they die.
@@Omega_Ultima King's intimidation works mostly because of his reputation. For Nappa and Vegeta he's just a random dude, so it'll be the same scenario as Cell vs Hercule
@@Professor_Fiction in your own opinion, do you see the saiyans lasting long enough to perfect copy blast hyperspace?? Since vegeta is a saiyan elite and goku is a low born. He should have more potential and hence be more versatile in copying techniques. Or do you think because it is vastly different, it would be impossible for them to be able to copy it in time for blast to send them away Goku being able to(not perfect copy but still) the hakai technique
Until you realize that the one that self destructed on Yamcha barely did any damage at all to the ground around it. In other words, power levels are bull shit.
Fun fact: Master Roshi destroyed the moon with his Kamehameha and his power level was probably less than 200..showing that it wouldn’t even take Piccolo strength to do it. He was in his muscular form which was never measured but Roshi in his regular form was 139.
Creo que los ataques de ki tienen la potencia de destruir planetas, pero la durabilidad y fuerza meh, dudo bastante Goku blue pueda destruir un planeta solo con 1 puño, sin energía detrás, ya ui es otra cosa
I wonder if Roshi's muscular form actually impacted his ki attacks, now that I think about it. I don't think it would, as ki isn't really related to your physical mass.
It was always so strange to find as I looked more into this subculture that the saiyan saga villains served as an almost universal benchmark when it came to comparison. Speaking to both how legendary Dragon Ball and Z are as well, just how absurdly powerful these individuals get. When Vegeta at his very lowest, we had seen him in the manga or show beyond flashbacks, of course. Can still viably eradicate most other characters.
This may surprise you, but DBZ scaling is utter nonsense. As soon as Vegeta could blow up planets in his first appearance and got ultra-nerfed when he joined the party, power scaling was dead. Frieza took it to insane levels, and then Golden Frieza made it dumber, and now I hear there's a Black Frieza or something. Jesus christ.
@@ieatvirgins well somewhat it jsut gets harder to scale speed tbh cause speed increases as you get stronger but power wise and power output is somewhat conseistant
@@coolchrisable Why are you talking about this like you have any sort of scientific basis to discuss this topic? This is part of why power scaling discussions are stupid. There is no magical "power output formula".
This is a good take. Given the right circumstances and team work I agree the S class heroes could defeat Nappa. But Vegeta is too much for them. Chi is a weapon and defense. If enough Chi is lowered their defense goes down but I don’t think any of the S class have the fire power to overpower Vegeta defenses. Nor can they tire him out. They’ll be exhausted before he ever does. I really liked your point on 8:40. At this point in the story, Vegeta would not be accustomed to gravity training. He didn’t start until after the frieza saga when he got a dozen zenkai boost and almost died. So,anything stronger than his planet (10x earth gravity) could definitely overpower him long enough to land a critical blow. Playing devils advocate, let’s pretend you don’t need to be SS3 level to break out of dimensions with your screams like Super Buu did. Vegeta doesn’t know this technique. If Gotrunks was alone he’d have never escaped the hyperbolic time chamber. Chi can be as versatile as you want which is why Nappa can do eye and mouth beams. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is not versatile enough. The moment he’s launched into another dimension, fights over. He can’t counter that.
Flashy Flash is probably one of the ones that can stand a chance due to him being able to keep up with Garou and Platinium Sperm, but in terms of AP he doesn’t match them
@@mr.mcklockwork3828it's better, its original form is Black Sperm, made up of 38 trillion clones each being comparable to a regular humans, which can all unite to Make Golden Sperm and then solidify to make Platinum Sperm 😂
This is one of the best analysis videos I've seen in a long time. People really underestimate the threat posed by the Saiyans, who could wipe out cities with a gesture.
This video sucks, it completely just shutdowns any argument with saying “well their moves are poison based so like is it moon leve?!?! No so it can’t work”
@@TearsOfThem Not really, we don't know if those poisons can even hurt Saiyans. Remember how Kid Goku survived drinking the Ultra Divine Water? It's a poisonous drink made from magic.
@@TearsOfThem There is no reason to believe their poison could even tickle the Saiyans when Goku could simply tank legendary poisons. When he was a kid. At an insignificant fraction of the Saiyan's power. It can't work simply because it doesn't make sense to believe otherwise.
@@dantemeriere5890 Same Goku died of a virus before time travel got involved, and that was after becoming millions of times stronger than he was as a child. Biological weapons can definitely bring saiyans down.
Good video overall however you didn't discuss vegeta's great ape form against blast which you pointed out was 10x stronger than his base. When goku fought great ape vegeta he was shocked that vegeta was actually pretty fast despite his huge body. Would've liked to see you explain if this changed the outcome or not.
I think at best, it would make Vegeta a bigger target.. Like blast would have to make a bigger portal and send him off. At least non-ape vegeta has the smaller stature to hopefully dodge as much hyperspace gates as he could before he's eventually knicked by one. I'd be gruesome if Blast made a gate at ape vegetas hands and Teleport cut them (kinda like in infinity war Tony vs the big guy). Or even worse, cut the tail.
@@elcato8126 In the video he explains he's using a low balled blast that's at least 4 times ftl so great ape vegeta would be at least 10x ftl when they fought meaning he could avoid the hyper space gates.
@@darktigersharkmax4432 Vegeta is 10× stronger in Ape form not faster. He's actually slightly slower than his base (although still very impressively fast for his size)
I bet tatsumaki is much stronger than we give her credit for. We've only seen her full power after being heavily wounded to the point of nearly bleeding out. If she doesn't have to protect people, she might be able to give Vegeta a decent challenge.
You can also get possible lightspeed/moon destroyer feats for the original dragonball, with master roshi whose power level was 180 tops destroyed the moon and goku with a max power level of maybe 300 and wearing weighted clothing against Tien (since he was 334/416 vs raditz) during the last tournament in DragonBall running from the solar flare to get glasses.
pretty sure that was calculating his strength against tien where he didn't use his full power buff form that he used to destroy the moon. Honestly tho, with crazy scaling like that in OG dragon ball it really shows why dragon ball z got so ridiculous, since raditz was like 10x that and he was fodder.
@@ProjektTaku I didn't mean Roshi vs Tien, I meant great ape Goku vs Roshi (21st Budokai), and later teen Goku vs Tien (23rd budokai) But yeah, scaling is pretty crazy early on with Hercule hacing a power level of maybe 5-10, with Roshi being a moon buster with 150-200 or something
@@aarohalme1020 yes, but the PL of 180 came from his fight with tien, where he didn't use his max power buff form and simply a intermediate form between his base and full buff form. We actually don't know what multiplier his buff form gives him or how much stronger it makes him. That's also kinda one of my problems with dragon ball. The crazy power scaling from early on.
@@ProjektTaku Yeah, we basically have to vaguely guess early power levels by comparisons. (Like teen Goku >> King Piccolo >> Roshi) My original comment was a guess, I didn't take it from any official source.
One Punch Man's power scaling is significantly more consistent compared to Dragon Ball Z. This makes it more enjoyable to engage in discussions about power levels, as it is easier to reach logical conclusions.
True, as iconic as DBZ is, the power levels are completely stupid. No power scaling in manga is 100% accurate, and it shouldn't be (then there's nothing to discuss), but at least in OPM I haven't seen some low level character doing crazy things because it looks cool.
Yup, telling if an OPM character is S-Class or A, B, C-Class is pretty easy. Guys like Garou, Sonic, and Suiryu might not be heroes, but they're definitely S-Class material. You can even figure out how high up they are in the S-Class rankings.
Good take overall although i do think flashy flash would give a bit of a fight to Vegeta and metal bat & darkshine would probably give a bit of a fight to Nappa as well. Looking forward to the z fighters vs boros video
Power scaling in dragon ball is WEIRD! If you just go by feats performed + who can overpower who, you have: Roshi destroys the moon with a single blast -> Gets completely owned by a non-rejuvenated King Piccolo -> Rejuvenated King Piccolo gets stomach blasted out by a HEAD BUTT from kid Goku -> kid Goku gets 3 YEARS of dedicated training afterwards from Kami/Popo to fight Piccolo -> 5-10 years later his attacks do nothing to Raditz's prepared defense -> about 10 months of training on King Kai's planet where he went from barely able to take a step, to running around like it was normal in the first day or two -> needs to multiply his power four? fold to take a full blast from normal form Vegeta Each of those steps also involve getting so much faster that the previous step can barely/can't even see them move. If we take the maximum speed a human can see to be half the speed of a slow bullet (probably actually quite a lot faster for something human sized, but using it as a lower limit.) Or 300 MPH (for larger objects it should be a LOT higher but again, lower limit...) That means we can see things moving about 10 times the maximum speed we could possible run at. So if each step is multiplying speed at least 10 times, that is a 1,000,000 times increase MINIMUM in speed, which would take you from a normal non-athlete sprint, to about 10% the speed of light. Given how fast Goku could move when he met BULMA, that multiplier gets him to WAY over the speed of light. Heck, just looking at Master Roshi's moon destroying blast, it took at MOST 5 seconds to reach the moon, or 50,000 miles per second. And the Kamehameha has been dodged/deflected several times at that level. So taking THAT as the base, 1,000,000 x 50,000 mps = 50 BILLION Miles per Second, or about 260,000 times the speed of light. To be more specific, testing has shown that a human should be able to notice movement occurring when a soccer ball sized object is moving at over 30,000 MPH from 70 feet away, which would put the multiplier at closer to 1000 times faster per step, or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 faster total, or 260 QUADRILLION times the speed of light. Or a bit under 2 seconds to cross the universe. Again, Power scaling in DB is WEIRD, because multiple occurrences also suggest they are nowhere NEAR that fast, so evidence shows both a high multiple of light speed movement during fights, and also an inability to react/move anywhere NEAR lightspeed at other times.
You're overthinking it. Power levels don't increase normally in terms of feats. Master roshi only blew up the moon after powering it up. It was only piccolo who blew it up casually. Rely on feats and scaling. Keep in mind characters like to hold back or have 2nd forms. Dragon ball is not hard to understand. Only if you try to apply tard vsbattles logic to it does everything become ominversal or whatever. Oh yeah, statements are not always true. Villains can lie
One way tatsumaki can win is with gravity attacks. She handled 300 times gravity was nothing to her but early dragon ball characters couldn’t really handle 100 times gravity.
Tasumaki gravity at that time fighting over psychos was calculated to be 300 times stronger and there's a scene in DBZ where Goku is heading slowly heading towards Namek he specifically said "I'm glad I can finally Keep up with 100 gravity" in the gravity Room and when Goku actually landed on Namek he was absolutely destroying nappa and the other Frieza soldiers. Even going as far as standing on top of nappa's head That was such a bada** moment from Goku but yea my point still stands there's absolutely no way post Namek saiyan's saga Is capable of competing with Tasumaki incredible telekinesis strength
Vegeta literally considered earth to be a baby planet. So a power level of 10,000 could be large planetary or even more, and Vegeta thought if Nappa was smart, he could beat goku with a power level of 8k (and he also knew he could double it to 16k.) Nappa could be large planetary and might be able to solo the s class (if Vegeta was correct and he was smart) Edit: A power level of 10k was confirmed to be able to destroy a planet in guide books.
@@dangerousdays2052 Nappa's powerlevel was 4k against the Z warriors, where he wasn't serious, but against Goku he went full power and become 8k, base Goku said that the battle between them would take forever because they're pretty even, so he used the Kaioken.
@@dangerousdays2052 it's a rage boost, just like how Vegeta with a power level of 18000 was clashing evenly with Goku’s Kaioken x3 kamehameha with a power level of 24000, only when Goku went x4 he overwhelmed Vegeta
Raditz solos all the Heroes, and Raditz solos all Narutard/Narudo characters. It's that simple. He would destroy Saitama as well. Saitama is a joke, gag character. Based on his training, he is weaker than Kid Kakarot and Master Roshi. Anyone who grew up with Dragon Ball in the 1990s up until 2005 knows this fact. Stop comparing all of these fake anime characters against Dragon Ball characters. It's literally impossible for most other anime characters to even harm or tag some of the weakest characters in DBZ.
@@bikotheanimator6169 Saitama is immortal bro. He farts and moves faster than light. There are so many anime that have stronger characters out there. In dbz all they ever do is power up and hit each other, there are no special abilities or anything, aside from a few exceptions. Yes goku and vegeta vastly outclass anime like one piece, naruto etc but thats the point. Original dragonball was supposed to be a parody anime making fun of tropes, but I guess you don't remember because you are a child who only knows dbz.
@@MementoMoriGrizzly ...fucking what? No it wasn't. How could it parody tropes that IT ITSELF MADE at that time? Dragon Ball isn't a parody, it was the original. It is what brought shonen to the forefront, and to this day all shonen pull at least a little bit from it. You can't parody a trope that isn't established, only establish it.
the problem is that power scaling in dragonball z is super funky. master roshi is powerful enough to blow up the moon when goku is still a kid, but if you put him up against cell even cells weakest energy blasts would be capable of overpowering anything he could manage. and cell threw a lot of energy blasts around that didn't blow up the planet. so clearly destructive power and attack power are two separate statistics in dragonball scaling.
@@Tok85960 I don't think it's necessarily a problem when anime differentiates between attack power and destructive power, but a lot of people don't take that stuff into account when comparing characters from different works. Physics just doesn't operate the same in fictional worlds as it does in real life or other fictional worlds, it can't. But people use some arbitrary feats to say a character can travel faster than the speed of light or w/e. I think Stan Lee has a pretty good take on pitting characters from different settings against each other. It's up to the writer.
@@michaeltruffle1122 no i. Agree just telling this guy to understand it too because I have seen it in so many different anime but i guess he started attack db while it happens on all anime and ap and dc are different so yeaa totally agree
@@Tok85960 sure it happens in a lot of anime but this video was about dragon ball z specifically, so dbz was the thing I referenced. Opm definitely does it too.
you have a point there. during revival of frieza saga, when frieza blows up the planet, other fighters alongside SSB vegeta that aren't under whis's protective shield got killed by it. yeah you are right, destructive power is different with AP.
@@nameisname5566 i mean thats not a great example, aside from goku vegeta whis and beerus frieza could no dif one shot anyone on the planet. but yeah attack power and destructive capability are different.
Tatsumaki puts up a slight fight at best, they'd need Blast because he was comparable to Cosmic Garou (at that point he was too much for all the other S class heroes and easily planetary threat) this was before he got even stronger while fighting Saitama.
The Saiyans have to be considerably faster than light. In the original DB, part of Goku's training leading up to his confrontation with Piccolo is learning to be able to dodge lightning. If he had to learn to outspeed something that moves at light speed, I think it's safe to say the Saiyans are much faster than you posited given that they're substantially stronger/faster than Goku was during that DB arc.
lightning itself is actually much slower than light by a pretty tremendous margin so it's not really close. 270,000 mph compared to 670,000,000 mph it's not even close.
@@ellisfriedman7563 I highly doubt Toriyama was keeping those physics in mind when writing the story. To the uninformed, 'light'ning travels are 'light' speed, which I would assume was the intention behind the story. But even then, my original comment was wrong, because Goku's solution to the problem is being able to feel out the lightning before it strikes rather than reacting to it/outspeeding it.
@@zeemaster99 Anyone can play the "intention" game all day. It's simply a matter that lighting is far less focused and contains much more mass. It's always gonna come down to unrealized conditions and the love of characters. None of these early Shonen writers really knew power scaling or proper physics cause they are not fun to work against.
@@ellisfriedman7563 They still don't from what I see. The sun only has like 28x the gravity of Earth. If you created a pocket of gravity x300 that of Earth on the planet's surface, vaporize couldn't even begin to describe the effect locally. At that mere 28x the Sun fuses hydrogen into helium producing a spherical nuclear inferno of plasma burning at ~15million C (in the core), that is over 100x the size of real world Earth, which is bigger than *both* of the planets in OPM and DBZ.
@@ellisfriedman7563 KI blasts are well beyond light speed as shown when Master Roshi destroyed the moon while Goku was still a kid. Characters have been casually dodging light speed blasts since then. By the time of the Saiyan saga light speed is such a trivial milestone it's unlikely even Saitama could register Raditz's casual fighting movement. Not only that, but it can also be inferred that light speed is significantly faster in Dragon Ball(contrary to the unstated assumption everyone makes that it's constant between universes). That means a character FTL in one anime isn't necessarily FTL in DB. At all. This is supported by the fact DB's universe has a center, which doesn't match our universe's.
i keep forgetting the manga kept on after i caught up and forgot about OPM a few years back. kinda upset at myself for spoiling the manga lol good video!
@@markmontes17 she lacks speed, and if we are in character tatsumaki just summons a meteor or something to destroy Nappa after that Nappa will just speed blitz her. Or even if she killed Nappa then Vegeta whoops her.
I just wanted to say about the "Vegeta could destroy a planet with a finger during the Saiyan Saga" comment, that was completely non-canon and doesn't mean Vegeta at that point could destroy a whole planet with just a finger, he probably could with an actual blast but pretty sure not as easily as just pointing at it lol
King would absolutely obliterate both of them by enabling some kind of incredibly contrived opening for Tatsumaki. He’s a literal god tier support type.
Between Blast and Tatsumaki, I honestly don't think they'd last very long. Remove those outliers, and the Saiyans wouldn't even remember killing them, it'd happen so fast.
The one in the saiyan saga who did the most damage to Vegeta was Yajirobi, a fat, useless, normal human with a sword; all because Vegeta got distracted multiple times. I somehow doubt vegeta could stand up to so many distractions that can move as fast as light; especially with so many of them fighting with cunning more than strength.
@@Noplayster13Yajirobe isn't a "normal" human and he never has been. He was roughly as strong as Goku when he was introduced in Dragon Ball (they fought). He was a little weaker than Raditz when he cut off Vegeta's tail...just fyi.
@@Darkshadowdj That seems dubious that Yajirobi could ever stand up to Raditz, but let’s just assume that he could. The point still stands that flashy flash or sonic would have little trouble with Vegeta if someone weaker than Raditz was able to catch him off guard and injure him multiple times.
@@Noplayster13 There's a reason that Yajirobe went for Vegeta's tail instead of trying to kill him - he couldn't if he tried. Yajirobe has much higher attack power than Flashy Flash and Sonic - I don't think they could do any meaningful damage. Vegeta survived Goku's x4 Kamehameha (planet busting power) and a spirit bomb (off guard) - both were direct hits... Also, after taking both of the above mentioned attacks - Vegeta (heavily damaged) got slashed in the back (off guard) by Yajirobe at full strength.
Most the S-Class would range in the 200 to 800 power level range. Exceptions would be Genos at above 1000, Bang at about 1000, and Darkshine Alloy being close to 1000. They would all fight the Saibamen and win with half casualties. Tatsumaki would probably be at about 6000 powerlevel, and with her overwhelming power, she would crush Nappa. At this point, Vegeta would wipe the rest of the S Class, and then Blast would appear just as he would go deal the final blow to Tatsumaki. It'd all come down to Blast vs Vegeta at this point. And considering that Meteoric Burst Boros scales to Vegeta and that Blast has the boosted powers of other individuals like Boros, I would say Blast would win. Especially if he portals Vegeta into deep space.
im not very well versed with the powers of OPM characters, but I saw another comment mention how Tatsumaki can increase the gravity of an object by a couple hundred times over, so if she could do that (emphesis on the IF lol) then id say its safe to assume shed be able to take on Vegeta and Nappa with ease.
welp, master roshi was able to destroy whole moon with powerlevel of 189. and saibamens is lie 1200 or even above. non of s class can destroy moon, that means saibamen solos every S class hero(Except blast of course)
@алексей доколь Yeah, I somehow kind of forgot about that... During the tournament vs Kid Goku, his base Power Level was probably more like 120. Using Max Power, he was at 180, and using the original Kamehameha would multiply his power Output to above 500. So yeah, most the S Class really would just be at one to two hundred power level tops.
The f- None of those numbers make any sense. The entire power level system was a complete fluke and the best we know about Vegeta was that at 18,000 he could blow up a planet, meaning multicontinental has to be between 4000 and 18,000... Oh, wait, it's 4000 So you're telling me that you need 4.5 times more power to destroy a planet than to destroy a bunch of continents? That makes no sense because 4.5 times multi continental is still multi continental Oh, but it can be exponential! Nope, theath doesn't check out anyway. Also, being that nappa is MCtal in 4000, and both Genos and tatsumaki are both large moon to small planet level, then they should be around 14,000 (I'm making the number up based on what we know about Vegeta) So, no, nappa gets folded into a paper crane, and Vegeta gets 4v1ned to death since blast and muscle man compare to Genos in AP (blast far surpasses that since he was able to redirect an attack that wiped out stars)
As powerful as the Saiyans are, i can't shake the feeling that the S-Class heroes were being low-balled in the analysis. While i agree with nearly all of the points made, as even Raditz would be able to tank all their energy attacks using Ki shielding and the Saiyans are overall more durable and powerful, however the crux of the Saiyans power is their Ki blasts - I personally think this and two other factors that were not mentioned provides the S-Class heroes with a major advantage, IF they agreed to work together and strategically fight at full power. One of the factors is the double edge of Saiyan's love of battle. I admit this is highlighted in their theoretical introduction of erasing City A, but it also goes further than that. Instead of simply blasting every hero in their sight, nuking the planet, they would If Tatsumaki focused on fighting defensively at full power from the start, she would be able to paralyze Nappa and even Vegeta temporarily, allowing heroes like Bang and Flashy Flash to target the Saiyans vitals
The S class heroes working together is not realistic lmao , Tatsumaki would surely try to take them on by herself , while the others might work together as they did when Boros invaded the earth
But you are forgetting a key factor, King: the strongest man on earth. What is vegita going to do against the Super Purgatorial Heat Wave Motion Gun? (Yes, this is a joke)
The saiyans would slaughter the S class heroes, and at the end, King shows up, with his amazing King Engine revving up, Nappa pisses his booty shorts and dies of a heart attack, Vegeta is nervous and tries to attack but is too scared and leaves, King is the saviour of earth.
You say it's a joke, but Super has shown Vegita is explicitly weak against gag characters. And once Vegita goes down, do you think Napa's sticking around? King's got this.
I like to imagine the S class just bleeding out on the floor and then. Blast comes in teleports Vegeta away and then, beats the crap out of an Nappa owed him money. Then when he’s done he does the same to Vegeta. Then walks away saying bro why are these S class heroes so weak?🤣
@@DannyLee-zv9gl He redirected the punches of Saitama and Cosmic Garou you goofy, those two punches easily wiped out countless stars in the void, his hax is just too strong
I'd just like to make a slight correction to Vegeta's AP, due to you using anime feats as seen with Vegeta blowing up Arlia, it's important to note that Vegeta scales above his father, King Vegeta, who blew up three planets with one casual attack while possessing a power level of 10,000. So Vegeta would possibly scale to a similar AP as Garou's Jupiter destroying feat. Everything else was done superbly, you really did a great job so I have nothing to add.
One thing is that characters from DBZ are able to produce blasts several times their power level, so I feel physically they would be more similar to the S class, especially someone like dark shine
Nappa punched Tien so hard it blew his arm off. Tien scales over Raditz who tanked moon busting blasts from Goku and piccolo. Nappa one shots Darkshine with a punch
Nappa yes Vegeta no. Goku couldnt handel it in his base on the way to namek but in kaioken he most likely could so vegeta would very likely be able to overcome it or at the very least not get one shot
@@max21567 bro, gyoro-gyoro who was a lot weaker than tats was able to generate 300 time gravity towards her, guess what? tats casually tanks it, no, she considers it as a good massage. yeah, tats can easily generate at least 9,000x gravity at her full power. vegeta and the rest of the fighter during saiyan saga is getting squashed.
@@nameisname5566 sure I guess if she can actually do 9000 times gravity he would die IF he got hit by hit but he would because he’d probably blitz unless he was off guard
Hey man, I really liked the video! The editing is really clean. If you see this comment, could you please tell me the name of the last song you used in this video? It sounds really cool.
4:21 This is lower than low-balling it, it's rolling the ball across the floor since Goku dodged lightning as a kid and has done much training since then...
The Z fighters vs Boros is a really simple answer. Boros's most powerful attack is planetary, which requires 100% of all his energy. However, the Z Fighters, in unison, are far beyond moon levels of strength. So I think Piccolo and Tien, Krillin too would just jump the hell out of him. (Also if it's anything past the saiyan saga then it's incredibly one sided, Krillin would solo.
Krillin was nearly killed in a police shootout in super. Saying he could ever solo OPMverse in any capacity is a hilarious overstatement. Yall forget there is a ridiculous gap between ki blasts and physical stats in Dragon Ball. The same Vegeta who supposedly can blast away entire planets since he was first introduced to DB, can not lift 10 000 tons in Super, even though he can spar with the likes of Beerus at that point. If he tried to arm wrestle Bang or even Darkshine, they would rip his arm out of the socket lmao. There are many S class who can physically overpower or just one shot Vegeta just as he can one shot them with his energy blasts. Some like Bang, Flash and Kamikaze can blitz him too. Vegeta dies to fodders, no need for Tatsumaki or Blast.
@@mitromney "Krillin was nearly killed in a police shootout in super" Any attack, no matter how weak, can injure someone in DB if their guard is down. That's why Krillin was able to hit Goku with a rock during the Cell Sage and hurt him. It's also why Goku was able to be seriously wounded by a simple laser gun during his second fight with Frieza. Ki is like a personal shield, and if it's down the fighter is vulnerable regardless of how great their full power may be. This stuff was established in the OG Dragon Ball, and there are several examples of it in Z and Super. How did you manage to misunderstand/miss *_all_ * of it? They're not difficult shows to follow.
No need for Blast, Tatsumaki turns them into dog fodder. And, no they can't kill her with their energy blasts either. People already forget she was hit in the face with Psykos's God Blast that nearly chopped a planet in half, while she wasn't even focused on the fight, and all that happened is that she lost a shoe.
Before watching this video, I’m just going to say that Tatsumaki can absolutely body the Saiyans and King is basically a more humble Mr. Satan in this universe, so obviously, he’s going to pull it off in the most stupidly lucky, yet beautiful, way possible. Everyone else is more or less going to more or less struggle to keep up.
Tatsumaki is the only one that can actually put a fight and win at this level of power. She can pinpoint precise spots in a body and we know she doesn't care a lot about earth when fighting and she tends to use cataclysmic ending attacks on strong opponent. Blast ofc at this level would nuke vegita and nappa.
Flashy flash may be able to keep up with them but then he lacks the strength, tatsumaki MAY be able to inflict serious damage looking at what guldo and frieza were able to do with telekinesis, and tatsumaki's telekinetic powers are much more powerful than that, blast is kinda galactic level yeah? at that point saiyans were only at planet level, king bodies too, he summons saitama.
He's not galactic, not even remotely close. He just teleported the energy of a galaxy-destroying blast and he required his allies to help him with that feat, so it's unknown how much his team helped him with that. He's at best, small planet level. As he'd have lost to Garou and Saitama who was able to sneeze away Jupiter defeated him at that time, with 1 hit (he defeated the Garou that Blast fought, with 1 hit. If Blast was Galaxy level, he'd have also 1 shot that Garou, but he didn't).
Man really goes to show how far behind I am since I have no idea who Blast is? When I last read OPM Ban was hurt and in a cabin hiding out and recovering with a kid visiting him.
I’m pretty sure the z fighyers could beat boros, but it would be close due to his regeneration. I think it’d be interesting to see all the forms of Garou vs the z fighters, what stage would he need to be at to beat them? Obviously cosmic fear garou would destroy them but could the other versions match?
Pretty sure Krillin could solo Boros. Seeing as how Boros was killed by his own move which was similar to a Kamehameha Wave. And he can just throw those out willy nilly. Garou would need to be stopped by a super saiyan minimum.
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 The Kienzan was deadly to people many times his power level who would shake off his regular Kamehameha Wave. Anyone not able to dodge that single attack isn't even in the conversation for competing with even the early Saiyans of the series.
Child Emperor made a "scouter" that went up to 9999 (but only counted for raw power); A normal person is around 30~40 with this device (he measured a normal girl); The scouter measured a normal person to have 5 power level. So, we just have to say: Scouter 5 points = 35 points in OPM device So, we applying the rule of three to discover how much Raditz max. raw power measures in OPM universe, we know he measures 1200 by the scouter (and he can't pass 1200 in the manga, since he is always impressed by the power fluctuation of Goku, Piccolo and Gohan). Then we have: 5 ----- 35 1200 ----- x 42000 = 5x x = 42000 / 5 x = 8400 Raditz would measure in 8400 in Child's Emperor device, he can't even reach the limit of 9999. At that same time they fought a monster who measured 8000 if I am not mistaken. I believe this monster could be easily defeated by any S class hero since some A class heroes were already fighting it. Which means Raditz is actually not a treath, maybe he is to Puri Puri prisoner. That group of A class heroes who fought Garou could take Raditz, since some A class heroes were measured between 1.000 and 2.000 by Child Emperor's device. Nappa measures 4.000 by the scouter. It gives 28.000 by Child Emperor's device. Vegeta measures 18.000 by the scouter. Giving 126.000 by Child Emperor's device. Child's Emperor device is still flawed since it only measures raw strengh... but by these numbers and by the difference of power we can observe, I assume the S class heroes CAN beat Nappa. The difference of some A class heroes who were ranked 2.000 points to the likes of Flashy Flash, Atomic Samurai and Superalloy Darkshine are beyound insane. The device wouldn't do Atomic Samurai and Flashy Flash justice, but it would for certain rank Superalloy Darkshine way way way above the 10.000 mark... or anyone can see that 8.000 monster giving Darkshine a scratch? Since we WERE presented with those exact numbers in both mangas (Dragon Ball Z and One Punch Man), there is no way a Saibaman can hurt Superalloy Darkshine. Darkshine can pretty much easily solo all Saibaman. After these numbers I strongly believe the S class heroes would advance to fight Vegeta without any major loss (maybe Puri Puri Prisoner, Metal Bat mand Tank Top Master if they interfere with Superalloy Darkshine, Flashy Flash, Bang and Atomic Samurai's battle with Nappa). With the help of Blast against vegeta it is just a win for the heroes.
You made two mistakes here. First one is: the regular dragonball person with a powelevel of 5 was a fully grown man, that worked as a farmer. And an average male farmer is ca twice as strong as an average city girl. Therefore you should also Raditzs opm powerlevel should also be ca twice as high. Second one: the scouter only messures the ki level of a person and that farmer had ki, but was not able to use his ki. And there is a huge powerdifference between a person that can use it and a person that cant. For example Piccolo, who can use his ki and had a powerlevel somewhere between 300 and 1500 was able to blow up the entire moon. 300 Framer however arent even close to being able to destroy the moon.
Imagine someone like Darkshine or even just Suiryu harnessing Ki. At that point, people would say Suiryu is just Boros in disguise. Like Boros watched too much Invader Zim or some shit.
I haven't watched the video yet, but couldn't Tatsumaki just increase the gravity? I know lifting strength is something DB characters actually struggle with.
Funnily enough, there are a few things that were skipped: 1) Atomic Samurai's slash can literally cut the space between atoms, which is WAY sharper than Krillin's spirit cutter (that did, if I can point that out, slice Nappa's cheek). If he gets into melee distance with the Saiyans he's going to remove some limbs. 2) Metal Knight has the advantage of numbers - he is just one of MILLIONS of robots created by dr. Bofoi. 3) Tatsumaki isn't a brawler - she's a telekinetic. She won't punch or hit, she will GRAB -which will remove the advantage of speed from the two Saiyan, at least for enough time to let the true heavy hitters reach them (see point 1). 4) If the S-class heroes decide to stop acting like brawlers and use their brains for once, they can't lose - if there is ONE thing that all the characters in Dragonball have in common is that they're brawlers: if something isn't hurt by a punch, their solution is always "punch harder". For example, Saiyans can't fly (at least not at their first arrival) and they can't breathe in space: if Tatsumaki tosses Vegeta and Nappa out of the atmosphere, it's game over. Same deal if Child Emperor uses a machine that fills the area with, say, toxic gas while Metal Knight, Drive Knight and Genos (that don't need to breathe) keep them busy; a person moving fast needs to breathe just as fast, which means that the Saiyan would keel over quite soon. As for the saibaimen... well, the solution is easy: Pig God. They're plants, they've just sprouted, he'll eat them. Spiciest salad around, but nothing that his terrifying stomach can't handle. 5) Similar to point 4, a Saiyan generally doesn't even understand the concept of teamwork. The S heroes can, in fact, cover for each other's weak points just fine, but the thought will not occur to Vegeta and Nappa until it's too late (as a matter of fact, the first thing Vegeta did when Nappa got heavily wounded was KILL HIM).
@@nameisname5566 raditz side stepped the special beam cannon which was far faster than the beam that piccolo used to destroy the moon and the bast he used to destroy the moon was calculated at 1 third the speed of light and for vegan being over 10 times stronger radiate power level was 1200 and vents was 18000 and in early dragon ball Goku had lighting speed as a kid with a power level of 260
Characters were massively nerfed at the beginning of Dragonball Z. In the original Dragonball, Muten Roshi blew up the moon just about as fast as Piccolo with a Kamehameha to transform kid Goku back from being a great ape. On top of that, there is a scene where withing the blink of a second a whole fight exchange happens beween Kuririn and Roshi. They both performed at what would have been FTL speeds. If you take that kind of power scaling, Blast would have at least a slight difficulty in dealing with them :D On the other hand both Roshi and Kuririn have fine tuned the physical abilities they have after breaking the human barrier. Vegeta and Nappa probably never optimised their fighting because they could just strife for more power. Maybe they are significantly stronger than the humans but with much less refined feats.
i think that ´´destroying stars ball thing`` is not the result of the punches from Saitama and Garou but just Blast Portal (in which he had help doing it) since everytime blast uses the portal it just becomes a black ´´thing`` and it was stated that those punches would just destroy earth and not the entire galaxy or solar sistem. And seconds later Garou was scared of a sneeze that moved Jupiters gases around, now you can see a galaxy level punch and act like a chad but a sneeze that moved jupiters gases scares you, i think thats is weird (Some people said that sneezed destroyed jupiter completely but it didnt, you can see the core, and it was smooth with no cracks or destroyed). so i have to disagree on that part. But the rest i kinda of agree.
if you nitpick like that there are ki blasts in the buu saga that barely put a small crater in the ground and they are supposed to be millions of times stronger than these saiyan at this point, which means saiyans could be defeated by an angry chihuahua easily
@@GraveUypo This has been explained like, 100 times in the series. Everyone who can use ki is able to control it's destruction radius. They won't go destroying planets and stars for no reason. But when they want, they just do it lol. Just like cell, he was going to destroy the entire Solar System because he was not holding back his AP anymore.
@@mercylavigneRight, I don’t understand how people manage to forget the basics of dragon ball, if you are able to use your ki accordingly you are able to control the force released by it, as when Goku was in God form, he was immediately amazed by the speed that he had the transformation, and that his fists with Beerus were destroying universe 7, but after he controlled the transformation and also his ki the strength of his fists was more concentrated in his target and not randomly released,Or when Goku faced Rillin in ssjb, his fists did not kill Korlin because Goku can control his strength and decide how much to release
Pretty much saiyans would just need to destroy the planet and instant win since no heros can survive vacuum of space while vegeta being willing to do it means he would have survived and could survive until his ship comes back or a pick up arrives
Saiyans can't breathe in space, they need oxygen, which is fucking stupid btw. Imagine being "multiversal" capable of destroying galaxies and universes but can die by drowning.
@@kimsalinas1993 they can survive in space, we have seen them talking and fighting in space, bardock fights frieza, vegeta blows up bug planet, broly creates a bubble to travel through space and goku fights beerus, but we are never shown or told for how long this can happen, if they destroyed a galaxy then yeah they are screwed but planet hoping, that should be doable.
It's funny that OPM is more grounded in reality than DB. It's basically normal anime logic VS looney tunes logic. DB characters visually fight around demon class until you start taking them too literally, at which point they're way beyond God. Which is also true sometimes of characters in Mario or Zelda if you get too literal. Especially with ki blasts; a normal punch usually destroys some rocks, whereas a ki beam can destroy stars.
Hey Plague! I also realized that Invincible is even more grounded than OPM. I like that scene where Omniman flies so fast as to cause nuclear explosions on the atmosphere, and he for sure was flying slower than what Saitama and Garou did on Earth, even though those two did... no damage at all.
Vegeta:"you know what nappa let's just blow this planet up,you can blow this planet up" Nappa:"YAY, but. what are we. gonna do after this?" Vegeta:" i don't know nappa i don't know"
The power escalation of the Dragonball series is ridiculous, yet it's still child's play compared to the power scaling of some series like the Cthulhu Mythos
