The Savage Empires of the Sun

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Today's episode saw multiple equipment failures, script rewrites, and content concerns. But it took a lot of effort to film, and even saw Francesco scale his first barbed wire fence, so might as well show it off like a bauble. So here you are everyone, a bauble from Chile.
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@RareEarthSeries 6 лет назад

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@iamnoone348 6 лет назад

It's quite funny because I'm about to request a video about (Philippine pre-colonial and Philippine colonial history). www.quora.com/Why-is-it-that-every-time-I-heard-Filipino-or-Philippines-there-are-always-negative-thoughts-to-it/answer/Meiji-Capa-1?share=077c64de&srid=aO1z I hope you make it though.

@lavaslice 6 лет назад

done ;), please do more mapuche content, that topic it's hot!

@ghhg-je8wv 6 лет назад

Watched ever one of you Videos, and this might just be my favorite. "Race is not a determinant of action" Thank You.

@AztlanHistorian 6 лет назад

Magnificent work! Your content is really top notch ;) Also, are you going to visit more places in Latin America? Here in Mexico we have lots and LOTS of incredibly unique places and stuff to share, like the Zona del Silencio and the ruins of Cuicuilco :)

@covenawhite4855 6 лет назад

The problems of the Inca are not current or still affecting its citizens. Yet people in third world countries by colonialism are still suffering. It is not condemning all white people especially ones who were not alive to do anything bad but it is like saying we should rate what the Roman empire did to the Celtic people to current problems in Africa or Latin America. True people of all races are finding positive solutions to these problems that are mostly solved by Western countries money. Yet you have to remember the problem and accept it to find the solution.

@reuelmelville5232 5 лет назад

In South Africa we're pulling down statues of Cecil John Rhodes (a ruthless imperialist) and erecting new ones of Shaka Zulu (also a ruthless imperialist).

@meisteremm 3 года назад

Between things like that and crimes associated with land reclamation in your country, I am glad that I am not living there. Please stay safe.

@hansvader4864 2 года назад

Hey, at least its YOUR routhless imperialist

@reuelmelville5232 2 года назад

@@hansvader4864 Yes, that seems to be the thinking of most populists in this country. Then the point is that it's not actually imperialism and murder they have a moral issue with-- it's something else.

@Cm-lp4mu Год назад

@@hansvader4864 as if it makes a difference

@trent6319 Год назад

@@Cm-lp4mu it does to most people. In the US we talk so much shit about other countries imperialist but carry around money with Andrew Jackson on it

@thecosmospersonified1210 6 лет назад

This channel is internet gold.

@fredslipknot9 6 лет назад

Ricky Brauer one of the coolest channels on youtube

@Thulgon 5 лет назад

So much so that I can expect to see the Conquistadors coming to claim it for Spain

@maroli8023 4 года назад

Yeah thats absolutely right Cosmos. Platinum gold 😜

@MrEazyE357 2 года назад

Evan comes from good stock. What an amazing family!

@IstasPumaNevada 6 лет назад

Somewhat tangentially similar, it's a bad idea to demonize nazis, to treat them like inhuman evil. What those in the nazi party and army did was terrible, yes, but the minute you portray it as some unfathomable evil, rather than the incremental coercion and systemic cultural overtake involving perfectly normal people that it was, you make it easier to happen again.

@RareEarthSeries 6 лет назад

I find it is possible to do both.

@khizaranjum9296 6 лет назад

What I find interesting is that if Nazis had somehow won, maybe future generations would have been celebrating their cause, and it would have been the allies and jews who would have been evil. As said in this video as well that in history, we judge empires by their power and wealth, not by their atrocities and genocides.

@killercaos123 6 лет назад

There is certainly a line to cross. We all believe in a different interpretation of that line though.

@Hospitaller 6 лет назад

I think what he's getting at is exactly that. We need to remember the nazis as fathomably evil, not unfathomably evil. To remember that these were, before becoming genocidal maniacs, normal people. That yes, normal people can do this, and to be constantly on the guard.

@RudeFoxALTON 6 лет назад

Marcus Sun An absolutely excellent point, I think this video does a great job explaining why rationizing nazis as "monsters" is completely counter productive and stops people from realizing that it was their idealogy and beliefs which led them to act the way they did ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b8AcmzqFdPM.html

@NCSUFutbol 5 лет назад

This channel deserves a Netflix show. They should compile all the videos into episodes by country.

@kierachell. 6 лет назад

God DAMMIT, man! Every. Single. Video. - is such impeccable quality: the elocution, the visuals, the narrative, and the thesis. You do slip in a few logical fallacies here and there, but the overall message is masterfully crafted. If anything, the result is that you elevate what is expected of a modern documentary format.

@RareEarthSeries 6 лет назад

Appreciate ya Artem

@timcal2136 5 лет назад

They are quite...rare

@perrobastardo96 6 лет назад

Im chilean and its awesome You came to this country to see the rare things in this country, try seawell or the abandonde city of las salitreras!

@Sabrowsky 4 года назад

"Race is not a determinant of action" I need to start using this

@catch.22 6 лет назад

As an half incan, whose granny and extended family all spoke quechua and were from south america, the ones that werent asian of them at least, I never knew a lot about my culture, but it was unnerving to hear your opener and not wonder more about it. I grew up ignoring my native half and that family because I consider myself alien to the culture but its weird I only know what Ive been told or read and no oral account.

@favelado3408 4 года назад

"half inca" lol. incas are gone, no modern day peruvian calls themselves that. neither did they before 1492, by the way, only the emperor was called "inca"

@catch.22 4 года назад

@@favelado3408 its easier to use the word people know than to say Im Huancavilca, because literally nobody outside South America knows it, my grandmother was Kichwa, and that she was from ecuador, not peru area. Its about others understanding, not flaunting my knowing of words.

@favelado3408 4 года назад

@@catch.22 i don't see how that'd be flaunting. most south americans like myself haven't heard of these huancavilca guys either, but a quick google search tells me they were actually enemies and later vassals of the bygone incan empire, so why would you want to call yourself an inca anyway? it'd be easier to just say "ecuadorian" or even "andean", tbh.

@khizaranjum9296 6 лет назад

A truly incredible video. The question of always thinking about empires in terms of their vastness, power and wealth and not about their brutality is quite interesting. It maybe that it is the empires that write history and not the conquered. Therefore, we see empires from the eyes of empires themselves

@LEFT4BASS 4 года назад

This is a great point. We remember the Spanish because they're the ones who lived to write history.

@TurtTulStudios 6 лет назад

"Race is not a determinant of action" holy shit if the people on both far sides of the political spectrum understood this we could really move forward

@0MVR_0 5 лет назад

Actually you are yourself, such as your genetic qualities, because of the actions of your parents and, by extension, ancestors.

@theoregonguy 5 лет назад

Yep, it's like a lot of people in the middle having been saying for centuries, culture determines behavior much more than race.

@sourgreendolly7685 4 года назад

This isn’t a centrist statement 🤦🏻‍♀️

@catmandont100 4 года назад

@@theoregonguy : Beautiful thought but, the extreme reactionary nature of todays sub-Saharan Africans has being forwarded through the generations, to all corners of the earth, with one noteworthy outcome. Three generation, left to their own decisions, and the "Community" is destroyed through neglect and vandalism....no exception have been seen.

@mejsmith1 4 года назад

Unfortunately, people on the left and right who are obsessed with identity politics don't care. They both want to paint one side or the other as the villain.

@Lostwolf16 4 года назад

This channel is absolute gold with the wisest commentator who is always unbiased and open to explaining history in the way most other people can't.

@heidimarchant5438 6 лет назад

If you don't know your history then your doomed to repeat it.

@sparky663 6 лет назад

even if you know history you will repeat it regardless

@christielham4177 6 лет назад

कालीतनय バッファロー ᛒᚠᚠᛖᛚ ADZIBALYQSHBVY буффало എരുമ so he who controls the present controls everything?

@smurfkillerX 6 лет назад

this quote always reminds me of rage against the machine

@heidimarchant5438 6 лет назад

Boco Corwin I still don't understand that one.

@prod.hxrford3896 5 лет назад

YOU'RE

@janetscofield7740 4 года назад

Note: The original reason that the Catholic Church became so deeply involved in South American societies was to try and prevent the atrocities the Spanish were inflicting on the indigenous peoples. This is not a defense of every Church policy but they did try to mitigate the Spanish treatment of the people.

@cristianfuentes2597 4 года назад

They told the Spanish soldiers u can be with the Indian women but u gotta marry them aka meztizos today

@elemperadordemexico Год назад

Based

@waahaah861 6 лет назад

Its similar to thinking Egypt was a slave driving kingdom that enslaved whole ethnic groups when actually they just did what every other large nations like Babylon, Canaan and the Aegeans did around them.

@FirefoxisredExplorerisblueGoog 6 лет назад

Fantastically written script. I love how you managed to connect 2 empires - distant in time and place - through a well-crafted narrative. Rarely does a historian manage to immerse me by this amount in the first 10 minutes :).

@verdatum 6 лет назад

Wow, tricky episode to write. You did a fine job making your point as always. In the end, I think it really does come down to pragmatism.

@schregen 5 лет назад

Also NIHILISM!

@jamesneedham6265 4 года назад

Ironically however its the atrocities that often bring an empire down as the people oppressed by one empire often ally with the next. However I would say there is something very different about European empires, they were not conquered by just another empire they fragmented into more independent states after the pyrrhic victory (from an imperial perspective) of world war II that left the empires bankrupt. Through out most of History most nations in the USAs position would have directly annexed territory and while they interfered and bullied they never formally declared it a conquest nor celebrate it as the European empires would a hundred years before. In fact they tried to deny it or hide it. Even the Soviets and China where far less expansive than they would normally be often preferring puppet states to direct rule. As the USA's power wanes, it will be interesting/terrifying to see if this is really the end of large scale imperialism or of it starts to return in a formal way. Russia and China are already nibbling at their borders.

@meisteremm 3 года назад

Yeah, the Russians rolled into the Eastern Bloc nations with tanks and out and out surpressed rebellions with brute force, bringing these nations to heel and then hovering over them with the threat of more brutality if they did not comply. Do you know what America did after World War Two? They instituted the Marshall Plan, which provided aid to Western Europe after the war and even helped Germany rebuild. This was in stark contrast to the Treaty of Versailles, which was brutal, unfair and really the main cause of World War Two. America was FAR more gracious to Germany and its allies than the USSR ever came close to being to Germany and its allies, or for that matter to the Eastern European countries that the USSR conquered. If you want an idea about how heavyhanded the USSR was in victory, you should really read "Prussian Nights." It was honestly written enough that its author wound up in Siberia for the trouble of putting pen to paper. As far as territorial expansion goes, again, I would disagree. America has held territory in the forms of Puerto Rico, the U.S Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and the Northern Mariana Islands. This does not compare to the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc nations that it controlled, not in size of territory and not in influence on the populations of the territories.

@kap3214 6 лет назад

Done with realism and elegance as always. Well done, Rare Earth!

@handlesmademeloseauniqename 5 лет назад

I absolutely love your videos, they are informative, take me to places i may never see, and best of all make me think in a way I wasnt expecting to at the beginning of each video. I like your outlook of the world and the outlook of the people helping you.

@Defeshh 6 лет назад

As a Spaniard this is one the first videos I've seen coming from an Anglosaxon that doesn't get on the Black Legend bandwagon.I heartfully congratulate you for that, and for not being one of those Black Legend perpetrators that I feel so passionately against.Thank you, I wish I could speak with you over a few beers and tapas, on the house.

@Eric-zd3ym 6 лет назад

Watch videos like this to make you feel good about yourself?

@Defeshh 6 лет назад

I'm subscribed to this channel, I think rare Earth is a fantastic series.

@petergray2712 6 лет назад

Defeshh The Leyendra Negra is why nobody remembers the Incan and Aztec empires

@anametobenamed3717 5 лет назад

@Mason Freer Tbf I'm English and tend to regard the British Empire as equally as evil to the Spanish empire and more so in some cases (Asia basically). Also Black Legend wasn't specifically aimed at Spain, it was a political tactic to smear the moral image of the enemy to muster support of the public and allies.

@aroundthegoodworld 6 лет назад

Oh man, that was one of your best! You're such a great inspiration for my channel. Keep it up :)

@killercaos123 6 лет назад

There's a band call Empire Of The Sun. Aussie. They make crazy psychedelic electronic music. Good stuff.

@ThisisallMax 2 года назад

This channel never fails to remind me of exactly what I want to do for a living; tell amazing stories. Thanks Evan. The work you and Helene do is such an inspiration to me :)

@levant5378 6 лет назад

My family have had their language and culture destroyed, have had their land stolen from them, have had their very language beaten out of them, and I'm white. My family had never left my country until the 1980's when my father went to find work in the very nation that invaded us. We had lived on this rock in the ocean for a recorded 1000 years, and have lived the last 700 conquered. Nothing makes me sadder than to see people use race or gender to justify their own prejudice. Get on with living your lives.

@quoth_raven 5 лет назад

Let me guess... are you Irish?

@anametobenamed3717 5 лет назад

@@quoth_raven Don't think so. If he was Irish the conquered bit would be 500-600 years not 700.

@VoIcanoman 5 лет назад

Actually, people from what is now the island of Great Britain invaded the island of Ireland in the 12th century...technically twice (the first was an ad hoc invasion by people from both France and Great Britain, though obviously, neither was really called that at the time, the second was by King Henry II, which started a nearly unbroken time period of rule by the British over Ireland, which only came to an end in the 20th century). But my bet is that he's talking about Northern Ireland, since the implication is that the land he lives on is still occupied territory. But technically, I don't think that his statement is 100% correct, since I very much doubt that there are many people living now in the nation of Northern Ireland who can both trace their ancestry back to the time before the island of Ireland was invaded by the English, AND who don't count part of their ancestry as from the island of Great Britain. The invaded and invaders interbred, so that the genetic difference TODAY between the population of people of mainly English descent living in England (or Canada, or America or wherever) and the population of people of mainly Irish/Northern Irish descent living wherever is fairly small. So if he's indeed talking about (Northern?) Ireland (and honestly, I've wracked my brain and don't think there's any other likely option, though there are a few unlikely ones, including some Welsh and Scottish isles), he is both invaded and invader, genetically-speaking, regardless of the culture with which he identifies.

@christopherburgess96 4 года назад

...Since when is being white a barrier against prejudice when your people are conquered? Black and white aren't even legitimate races. They're utterly meaningless.

@user-xg8yy7yl1d 4 года назад

Ireland? Cyprus?

@WeyounSix 6 лет назад

I've been watching this show since episode one, and I have to say, your ability to smoothly speak, and quickly has gotten really really good. I love this show man, I was sad when you left Japan, but the show is just as good as ever.

@LEFT4BASS 5 лет назад

Excellent video. When you treat Europeans as though they’re more capable of cruelty than other races, you’re reinforcing the same idea that lies at the heart of racism: that the races aren’t equal, that your race determines what you’re capable of, etc. Don’t reinforce that idea. I hope we can live in a world one day where the color of a person’s skin can be seen the same way as the color of their hair, just a superficial difference.

@SimonNZ6969 6 лет назад

At the end of the day. We're all Human. We all have greed, cruelty, kindness and mercy within us.

@carlosdumbratzen6332 6 лет назад

well we still remember columbus as the discoverer of the american continent. We might be told something different after we grow up, but as kids we will still be told that he discovered america, that spain discovered america. This is something new to remember empires as something bad, in the past a conquerer was almost always viewed as someone to admire, just think about agustus, caesar, alexander, napoleon or washington. It is something we should be proud of as humans that we can finally see the cruelty even when we are on the dominant side.

@Eric-zd3ym 6 лет назад

Totally agree. It's nice for them to celebrate the conqueror's history, but what about the history of the conquered? Do they even exist? Glorify the colonialism and avoiding talking about the cruelty behind it is not OK.

@roberthill3207 6 лет назад

Absolutely reasonable commentary. Interesting.

@LionofJudah75 6 лет назад

Man, I love this series, keep it up! I look forward to each new episode. DEFFINATELY 👍👍

@TurtTulStudios 6 лет назад

Bro, heavy episode, nice stuff my dude. You are making quite the product here, I always enjoy it. Honest, relatively unbiased, and REAL. So it will never be allowed on cable tv. Cheers, keep it up

@rasmusstenback9870 5 лет назад

A big part of why a lot of historical civilizations (Inca, vikings, mongols) have gotten disproportionately rosey re-evaluations lately is simple backlash. For a long time, these peoples were largely dismissed as backwards savages barely even worthy of the term 'civilization', let alone any recognition for their accomplishments. Attempts to balance the books naturally focus on their positive qualities, sometimes to excess. The same but opposite is true of those more maligned empires like the British and Spanish. Even disregarding their historical recentness (while not forgetting that European imperialism is not just indisputably within living memory, but also very arguably still ongoing), their long history of being romanticized as benevolent, "civilizing" forces made it practically inevitable that the scales would tip the other way, with new appraisals focusing on their brutality and ineptitude.

@gralteindauphinois7793 6 лет назад

Your videos are truly incredible

@skoockum 6 лет назад

Wow. Best Rare Earth I've seen so far. So many essential, obvious truths that are nearly always ignored or denied.

@mdrosario17 6 лет назад

It's pronounced En-ko-mien-da, by the way

@RareEarthSeries 6 лет назад

Appreciated

@tyrstone3539 4 года назад

エンコミエンダ

@y_fam_goeglyd 6 лет назад

Perfectly balanced and a great story. A rare ability to get both sides spot on. Thank you for a fascinating video.

@andros309 4 года назад

knowledge is not 'what to think', but more 'how to think'. And I am passionately watching all your videos, because of the way these event are presented. we're all going to have different opinions, pragmatically, so I believe the best way to interact with anyone is to just try to understand them. If we don't understand, we'll repeat the same errors

@paolopascual2762 6 лет назад

The most interesting channel in youtube! I feel like I'm the living the story in my mind. Best history channel!

@crackmeat 5 лет назад

Really appreciate the content in every aspect

@XDY8 6 лет назад

Amazing as always. Loved the giant high five too xD

@gabem3593 6 лет назад

Your videos are absolutely amazing

@posteador 6 лет назад

Chilean here, you are making the sort of youtube videos I wish I had made. Keep on the good work. You've gained a subscriber.

@SeidenFisk 6 лет назад

Thank you for your content

@julez2106 4 года назад

Absolutely loved the moral and advice you gave and the historic insights, couldn't agree more!

@CedricBale 6 лет назад

As awesome as this video is, and how thought-provoking the story is, I know myself well enough to know that the only part of it I _know_ I'll still remember a week from now is that _epic high-five._

@ethan7112 6 лет назад

incredible as usual thank you so much

@cyrusfranck6024 6 лет назад

Easily the most intellectually stimulating and captivating series on RU-vid. Keep up the great work guys!

@inigogw 6 лет назад

Your channel is insanely good

@Snardvark25 6 лет назад

Beautiful as always

@Estabanwatersaz 4 года назад

Greatest video. Thank you 😊

@tomoecchii 6 лет назад

As usual there are countless subtleties ( Isn't it always this way with humans? ), but history is most often view through the lenses of the conquerors because there is simply no way to completely remove the POV from the retelling. It takes effort to deliberately understand things outside the easy, black-and-white narratives that are too often used in education. I can only hope that more people stay aware of their own biases, and consider things with nuance. The project has come quite a long way since episode 1, and I thank you for allowing us to be a part of this journey

@Steven-bh3jl 6 лет назад

every episode is damn good...I have no doubt this channel will get more attention soon

@simonprvi1994 3 года назад

I cry every time. The profoundness man

@dannyhughes4889 3 года назад

Flawless presentation.

@NorthernChev 6 лет назад

Damn, dude. You are crankin' out the vids. Typically when YT creators ramp up to this level of output their production quality suffers, especially over time. You, however have managed to find a sweet spot in maintaining your expected level of top quality. Good job.

@rogerengland2821 4 года назад

Great stuff 😎

@ZacharyRodriguez 6 лет назад

Excellent video. Never assume evil is beyond you.

@hollyboop5631 5 лет назад

I love you, guys. I like the accurate choice of wordings...

@admiralpercy 6 лет назад

This is probably one of your best written monologues yet.

@plasmajet101 5 лет назад

agreed..love..respect and gratitude for tam rare earth

@Juihi2 5 лет назад

Brilliant!.... Just Brilliant!

@WaxingRadiance 6 лет назад

I do hope you read and pay attention to your comments section. Look how many people you are impressing. If YOUR empire is measured by how you treat your subjects, you are THE benevolent god of youtube.

@LerWalters 6 лет назад

This channel may be the best on youtube

@nevar108 6 лет назад

This is such a cautionary parable for our modern selves, i dread what would happen should to many people reflect on it.

@XSpamDragonX 6 лет назад

THANK YOU

@jasonz9902 6 лет назад

Your are awesome at what you do, i really enjoy your content and provocative style.

@timcal2136 5 лет назад

“They also saved our car FROM AN EVIL HILL”

@Ogrecoxy 6 лет назад

Thank you for that [high five], Evan.

@bjcdab5560 6 лет назад

If I were near La Mano del Desierto , I couldn't have resisted ether, Evan

@coltond6921 6 лет назад

*Walking on a dream*

@amongrabmore8239 4 года назад

i admire your work and your words give me to think a lot. sorry for my bad english

@harlandeke 5 лет назад

I pick at you sometimes, but I do enjoy your vids. This is one of your best...kudos.

@steve1978ger 4 года назад

"If the world only remembers the past that benefits them the most, there's little cause for the next conquistadors to be any less cruel than those who came before."

@shzarmai 2 года назад

Indeed

@ncc74656m 6 лет назад

Man, this show...

@Flitalidapouet 4 года назад

Awesome

@GoodTimeGamerGuy 6 лет назад

This is the most amazing video I've seen by you guys 10 out of fucking 10

@vanhasydan4754 Год назад

Never kneel to evil. If they attack you, never hesitate to wield fear, horror and brutality to stop them.

@Benagiser 6 лет назад

on the road stories here we go!

@anentiresleeveoforeos2087 6 лет назад

great video.

@shanedodson8539 2 года назад

I found this amazing meaningful channel late. Someone please tell me if they will continue with the series in the future for that they have any other programming that I can see because he is an excellent presenter and everything shared in every episode I've seen has been thoughtful truly rare and important the people of the world know these stories.

@dylanwebb2 6 лет назад

This channel does not get the views it deserves, great video.

@dougmccarter3809 6 месяцев назад

Excellent presentation! I would love it if you would cover the story of the Californios.

@MicrobyteAlan 6 лет назад

Good work.

@th3b0yg 5 лет назад

That was a good one.

@kunushiknows6874 6 лет назад

I am so broke , otherwise i would have donated to your patreon . I love what you do & its priceless .

@karlosritter8694 6 лет назад

Friendship island at the south of chile bro! Its such an interesting story... keep up the good job! Cheers from Chile. Im subscribed

@raventown3683 6 лет назад

I was getting ready for a skill share plug at the end

@GenJotsu 6 лет назад

The Music = Tension = Me likey

@aleph0812 6 лет назад

Great video!, you could also do a video about Mapuche's cultural absortion of spanish customes during the 16th to 18th centuries, including horses, guns and military strategy, and their 200 years war against the spanish conquistadors at the southern temperate jungles of Chile.

@SirDiamondNips 5 лет назад

If there's a flat seat-like object (not an actual seat) in your country, then you better believe that Rare Earth is gunna sit in it!

@maximvsdread1610 5 лет назад

"High Five" very nice.

@perrinfan 6 лет назад

I have been there! ❤

@themuschen1320 6 лет назад

You seem to be having fun in Chile

@judithgockel1001 Год назад

And this is why we can’t have nice things: if they are too nice, a lot of other people want them.

@chriscodrington5464 4 года назад

Deftly drawn and ever so timely

@ZOOTSUITBEATNICK1 6 лет назад

imo Good vid as usual. "Same as it ever was," as David Byrne sang. imo

@StrawHat6 4 года назад

Well said, Evan. Human history shouldn't typically be viewed in a vacuum.

@uperdown0 6 лет назад

"...strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others. They grabbed what they could get for the sake of what was to be got. It was just robbery with violence, aggravated murder on a great scale, and men going at it blind-as is very proper for those who tackle a darkness. The conquest of the earth, which mostly means the taking it away from those who have a different complexion or slightly flatter noses than ourselves, is not a pretty thing when you look into it too much. What redeems it is the idea only. An idea at the back of it; not a sentimental pretence but an idea; and an unselfish belief in the idea-something you can set up, and bow down before, and offer a sacrifice to...."