The Secret Nazi Stealth Bomber that Almost Changed WW2 - Horten Ho 229

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It was April of 1945, and Germany was in flames. The bombing raids had decimated the cities, towns, and factories where the Wehrmacht mustered its last war assets, and the Americans had almost seized Western Germany.
It was then that US soldiers from General Patton's Third Army were conducting mop-up operations across the Rhine when a unit of infantrymen stumbled upon a battered airfield facility.
Upon entering to secure it, the soldiers were baffled by what they saw. The place was filled with aircraft unlike anything they had ever seen, and they looked almost otherworldly.
A German engineer then told them that the flying wing aircraft that lacked a tail and resembled a stingray were jet-powered prototypes.
The Americans immediately knew they had to seize them and destroy any evidence before the Soviets realized Germany had developed a one-of-a-kind aircraft with top-tier technology.
Only they could uncover the secrets of the unique German aircraft design dubbed the Ho 229…
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@DarkDocsSkies Год назад

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@sylamy7457 Год назад

Been waiting for you guys to release a Ho 229 vid keep it up!

@Stivsh Год назад

how about you fix the misleading title?

@thej3389 Год назад

Change that joke of a title.

@timwhitten9918 Год назад

Where do you think Northrop came up with the XB-35 and YB-49 flying wing bombers, but like it is said in many comments the German flying wing was not a bomber but a fighter

@FandersonUfo Год назад

preferred the original thumbnail - new pic has nothing to do with a Ho 229

@SpaceyMonkey75 Год назад

I believe Goering was primarily known as a WW1 fighter ace.

@memyselfandi4339 Год назад

Had to rewind to make sure I heard him say that.

@edgein3299 Год назад

He replaced Richthofen as commander of the squadron.

@SpaceyMonkey75 Год назад

@@foxygamer7176 You are correct, he did not.

@TheHarvHR Год назад

@@SpaceyMonkey75 He actually had a large collection of artwork and museum pieces, one of the things he owned was an old Fokker D.VII which was one of the aircraft he flew in WWI. He was too fat to fit in it by the time of the Nazi regime.

@thomasmargolis6057 Год назад

And he assembled a collection aircraft.

@CorrieBergeron Год назад

Viewers who don't know their flying wings might not realize that a lot of the footage is of the Northrop XB-49, a *much* larger aircraft produced after the war. It was nice to see some footage of Horton wings, though.

@noprisoners8621 Год назад

It was produced during the war. The program started in 1940 for the Northrop YB-49.

@chucknorris6640 Год назад

The XB-49 wasn’t a pure flying wing as it had 4 small tails the B-2 is a mix of a XB-49 with a 229

@danieliglesias1669 10 месяцев назад

Amen brother…this guy is a fraud. 🙄🇨🇺🇺🇸

@bad_pilot13official 6 месяцев назад

@@noprisoners8621yeah but it wasn’t finished till the late 50s I think

@user-nu7kk4uw6k 19 дней назад

Don't forget the Horten HO 228 jet fighter built by the Gotha Wagenfabrik. One of the soldiers taking part in salvaging the Roswell UFO in July, 1947, said that it looked like one of the new jet aircraft he had seen in Germany after the war. It could have been this one. V meaning Versuch, meaning experimental.

@bwtv147 Год назад

The fatal flaw of flying wings was that the nearer they came to supersonic speeds the more unstable they became. Computer assisted flying overcame that problem years later.

@flybobbie1449 Год назад

Stalling in maneuver also a problem as pitch unstable.

@timwhitten9918 Год назад

Lack of a empennage was the main cause of instability at high speeds, took many years to come up with computers that could compensate for these issues. Same reason the XB-35 and YB-49 failed, to early for their time. The F-117 nighthawk was the first A/C to address the instability issues, otherwise the hopeless diamond would have never been successful

@danielescobar7618 Год назад

The us' first try at flying wings has the identical angle and span as the B2

@bschwand Год назад

@@timwhitten9918 hmm what ? ever heard of dassault mirage plane ? first one in production was in 1956... all those dassault aircrafts were /are tailless delta wing. or are we saying delta tailless aircraft are not flying wings because for all purposes they sure seem to be... certainly more of a lfying wing than the f117

@brucebeauvais1324 Год назад

@@bschwand None of the Mirages are tailless. They all have rudders. By your definition, all delta wing cars aircraft would be considered “ tailless”. F-92,F-102,F-106, F4D, F6D, B-58, SAAB Draken,,SAAB Viggen. The list goes on. None of these are thought of as tailless nor flying wings. A flying wing may have a rudder (B-35/B-49) but does not have a fuselage. The cockpit is built into the leading edge of the wing.

@andrewcomerford264 Год назад

NOT THIS CR*P AGAIN ! The Ho IX (Gotha 229) was a fighter design. V1 buried itself in the ground after one engine failed, and (due to lack of a tailfin) went into a flat spin due to asymmetric thrust. V2 was set on fire to avoid capture, and V3 was captured incomplete. Northrop couldn't have studied the wing planform from this prototype, because they were never fitted. Horten designs were Ho (Roman numeral), and went up to XVIII - most never left the drawing-board. V(ersuchs) is German for prototype, Arabic numerals were ALWAYS used for this. The Horten brothers sought aerodynamic efficiency (like every other flying wing in History) stealth being unknown at the time. Oh, and MK stands for Maschinkannone, (cf. MG/Maschingewehr = Machinegun) NOT mark. I don't expect you to learn German, but please do enough research to avoid such basic errors.

@blowinkk9396 Год назад

This dude doesn't do any research at all. No clue how he gets so many views

@stealthnoid Год назад

The Horten brothers insisted on developing absurd projects, especially to avoid being drafted into the army and sent to the frontline

@stonerjesus1990 Год назад

He said Goering was a WW2 ace pilot lol

@TexasHoosier3118 Год назад

@@stonerjesus1990 WW1 ace pilot, but yeah

@MonGoliAnDeath9 Год назад

I’m glad you said this so I didn’t have too

@esdeekay4344 Год назад

Although Berlin Tempelhof housed a plane factory in the cellars, the Horten brothers developed their planes near the Gothaer Waggonfabrik at Gotha. I've visited the smal airfield years ago. There isn't much left of the facility, but knowing that these mysterious planes were build and tested there, felt very special. After being hidden for decades, the HO 229 is on display in the main hall. It's a shame the wings aren't attached. Let's hope they will after restoration. Thanks for the video.

@touristguy87 Год назад

yes I'm sure that you felt very special lurking in dark spaces with the ghosts of Nazis

@Rendell001 Год назад

@@touristguy87 Wow, Troll much...?

@PanzerBuyer Год назад

Are the wings there to see also?

@Rendell001 Год назад

@@PanzerBuyer yes I believe they are - there’s a quick shot of them stacked near the fuselage towards the end of the video.

@paulweisgerber7654 Год назад

@@touristguy87 That sounds freakin’ awesome! Creepy, and educational at the same time, lol!

@noneed4me2n7 Год назад

I first found out about this plane as a kid playing on my grandmothers 486 PC. While visiting she bought me “Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe”. Good game and it’s game manual offered a lot of history and phots on the planes in the game. The Horton 229 became my favorite.

@mozworthy Год назад

Great game, I loved it! The manual was bloody incredible - it wasn't so much a manual, but was a history book in itself.

@richardadams4928 Год назад

@@mozworthy 💯 Man, that manual was FANTASTIC. Easily worth the money all by itself. I once found it in PDF format and printed a looseleaf backup copy. Pretty sure I still have it in a thick binder somewhere.

@chrisreaney1980 Год назад

Still got this game boxed somewhere ☺️

@sonicart77 Год назад

In the game it was called the Go229, it was my favorite plane!

@ammo8713 Год назад

THE HORTON BROTHERS WERE FANTASTIC ENGINEERS AND WAY AHEAD OF THEIR TIME !👍

@pyronuke4768 Год назад

Disclaimer: the Ho 229 was not stealth, nor a bomber, it was an interceptor. Also there is insufficient evidence that the Northrop company had knowledge of the plane while they were building the B-2. There was a much larger bomber version called the Horton XVIII, but as that drawn up in early 1945 it never left the chalkboard.

@tombrunila2695 Год назад

The Northrop company was on November 22 1941 been awarded a contract to build a flying wing type bomber, the XB-35.

@DoctorCreepy Год назад

Yes, the Northrop engineers knew of the Go-229 / Ho-IX. But Jack Northrop has also played with flying wings before YB-35 and YB-49.

@Justanotherconsumer Год назад

@@DoctorCreepy the N9M as well.

@alfredtulpon22 Год назад

Yea sure.

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

You are absolutely correct. Both of these projects were developed independently and simultaneously.

@stevebailey325 Год назад

5:20 I think you meant ww1 ace. I don't think the ww2 Goring could even fit in a cockpit.

@NLTimmy Год назад

😂👌

@patrickstewart3446 Год назад

Goering: Hey, Ernst, am I fat? Udet: Dude, I know 5 fat guys and you are 4 of them!

@rabidmidgeecosse1336 Год назад

thats what his huge shoehorns were for...

@BigDaddy-yp4mi Год назад

Morphine addiction stopped him up. While held for trial he slimmed down considerably.

@thelongestpage7555 Год назад

correction: the Ho-229 did not indeed have any stealth capabilities, that was proven to be false

@Tron-Jockey Год назад

Thanks, you beat me to it.

@dave_riots Год назад

It does have a reduced RCS, but it's definitely not stealth.

@mayamanign Год назад

It definitely has reduced radar cross section, and with the more primitive radar of the day it could have been classified as stealth. Semantics are fun aren't they.

@Tron-Jockey Год назад

I don't think it was designed to be stealthy. That it had a low RCS was simply as a result of it being designed to take advantage of a flying wing's reduced weight, and drag, which allowed higher for top speeds and lower fuel consumption. At the speeds it was capable of I really don't think the Germans were worried about being detected anyway. The Allies had nothing that would have been able to intercept it.

@mattperson7293 Год назад

@@Tron-Jockey Allies didn't need to intercept it, it would have fallen out of the sky all on it's own. The design was a massive failure.

@stevenhoman2253 Год назад

This craft was not designed for stealth, however in today's parlance, it could be considered as such. Further, any airfoil has parasitic drag. That is the function of reality. To suggest it has no drag is ridiculous. It, at best, had greatly reduced drag, due to the absence of fuselage and empennage.

@dougdarby3564 Год назад

Jawohl mein Herr Homan Alles richtig

@666theninja Год назад

Flying Wing shape is Stealthy due to it's shape by nature, Stealth by Accident or by Design, still stealth.

@stevenhoman2253 Год назад

@@666theninja That is exactly what I said.

@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037 Год назад

@@666theninja didnt the yanks make a recreation of this aircraft and found out it was indeed not even close to stealthy?

@666theninja Год назад

@@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037 You mean the Northrop Stealth Experts and they said it was Stealthy and 'Hello' a Flying Wing shape is stealth by the nature of it's shape.

@g2macs Год назад

There’s an anecdote in Chuck Yeagers autobiography regarding Northrop's flying wing which was testing at Muroc, the test pilot was so fed up with repeatedly crashing due to various faults, the last time he did so he tried to stop the fire service from putting out the flaming wreckage.

@malcolmjcullen Год назад

Russell Lee, chair of the Aeronautics Department at the National Air and Space Museum, reckons the Hortons knew this would never really work, but it looked and sounded cool, so the Reich Ministries kept giving them money to develop it, with the main effect being that the Hortons, and their workers, were kept in Germany instead of being sent to the Eastern Front.

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

It takes modern flight computers to make them fly well. US test pilots found that out the hard way with Northrop's flying wings.

@666theninja Год назад

Horten Brothers said it would of worked and the US used it's Jet Engines hidden in the Fuselage idea into the B2 Stealth Bomber. End of the day it worked as the B2 Stealth Bomber proves it.

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

@@666theninja That is BS....

@chriscarbaugh3936 Год назад

That sounds more likely!

@666theninja Год назад

@@WALTERBROADDUS No BS, look where the engines are on the B2 Stealth Bomber, 'Hello' straight from the Horten HO229 :)

@jimthomson1892 Год назад

Drag is never “nearly non-existent” on an aircraft, no matter the design. Where there is lift, there is drag. The two go hand-in-hand.

@flybobbie1449 Год назад

But you are removing tail and trim drag.

@2cents149 Год назад

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@zweisteinya Год назад

Nothing 😁 you know nothing

@commonavionics6069 Год назад

@@flybobbie1449 Flying wings still experience drag, thrust-drag and lift-weight are constants in aircraft. Just because it looks funny doesn't change anything.

@bbb462cid Год назад

If it was German, mysterious, and had a connection with nazis, it was a war-winning-wonder-weapon. If the nazis had a new design for a spatula we're supposed to thank God on bended knee that it never went into full scale production.

@krazytroutcatcher Год назад

Europe doesn’t look ‘saved’ to me, does it to you? If so, please point out where.

@evanlarson1724 Год назад

Someone seems hangry

@yeetyateyote5570 Год назад

Lmao yeah. They started a war they couldn’t win and were just slapping shit together at the end, led by their mad tyrant of a fuhrer. Stupid reformer bullshit after the war leads people to believe this sort of nonsense, that they were somehow on the cusp of amazing futuristic weapons that would somehow have “won the war.” Never mind the US had not only equal or better equipment, but also had the ultimate weapon, the fucking nuclear bomb.

@bbb462cid Год назад

@@krazytroutcatcher I will, right after YOU point out where I said anything anywhere was saved. Or would you just like to admit straw men aren't your thing, and save some effort?

@bbb462cid Год назад

@@evanlarson1724 thanks for letting me know you have access to the internet,

@lordguts4099 Год назад

it not a Stealth Bomber the plane light up in radar

@wyrmshadow4374 Год назад

Lazerpig buried any notion of stealth. Cool plane though.

@nikoc8968 Год назад

the lack of vertical surfaces alone would have objectively reduced the aircrafts RCS, even against low-frequency radars. dont believe everything meme-lords tell you on RU-vid...

@wyrmshadow4374 Год назад

@@nikoc8968 flat surfaces like turbine blades?

@nikoc8968 Год назад

@@wyrmshadow4374 no, like the lack of vertical surfaces that would have objectively reduced the aircrafts RCS...exactly as i said. the "S-shaped inlets" that youre trying to insinuate is somehow the only, or even the most important, aspect of stealth, came afterwards.

@Colin-kh6kp Год назад

Ahh yes, the only stealth plane with a radar cross section exactly the size of itself...

@kandd2591 Год назад

Yes yes very interesting

@Klaus_Klavier Год назад

Yeah it’s just a flying wing, it wasn’t stealthy and it wasn’t a bomber. It was a fighter design

@Justanotherconsumer Год назад

The Holy Roman Empire of aircraft.

@natebox4550 Год назад

It wasn’t a fighter. It was an interceptor, like most German jet designs of ww2.

@tombrunila2695 Год назад

At about 7:15 we can see a Northrop YB-40 that flew for the first time on 22 October 1947 in Hawthorne California, USA. It is really misleading to show the YB-49 flying when talking about the Ho 229. These two types had nothing to do which each other!

@bondgabebond4907 Год назад

It sees there is a lack of videos of the Horton 229 flying. It's a shame as I would love to see it in action.

@britishrocklovingyank3491 Год назад

Dark Skies lies.

@666theninja Год назад

Both are Flying Wings so had that in Common. The Germans had Jet Engines first and Northrop used old school prop engines, Germans were way advance back then for sure with there Jet Engines in a Flying Wing.

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

@@666theninja actually the British and Germans were working on jet engines independently and at the same time.

@timcvetic5054 Год назад

There are quite a few shots of the yb-35 and yb-49 throughout the video including the northtrop n9m

@billveitch2100 Год назад

I think Göring may have been a WWI ace. During WWII he would have been hard pressed to fit in the cockpit of a fighter. 5:18

@bondgabebond4907 Год назад

He'd make a great 1000kg bomb.

@billveitch2100 Год назад

@@bondgabebond4907 See Hitler Rants Parodies channel.

@daveseekings7389 Год назад

@@billveitch2100 Goering had 22 aerial victories, although there is some doubt about 2 of them ( kinda like "The Blue Max") but it was enough to get the "pour le Merite".

@user-nu7kk4uw6k 19 дней назад

He became the squadron leder of the famous Richthofen squadron and an Ace.

@kerbal666 Год назад

LazerPig did a good video on this. Debunking it basically.

@spyran5839 Год назад

Well not the entire video, but he is debunking the stupidity of calling it a stealth bomber.

@trojanthedog Год назад

@@spyran5839 yet they were motivated by Wolfram's death over Dunkirk which they blamed on British radar reaching across the channel. That damned machine, recapitulated today, has the radar image of a very small vehicle. I think some conclusions though not stated, might be considered obvious.

@kerbal666 Год назад

@@spyran5839 Exactly

@Odin197188 Год назад

The shape of the aircraft had a naturally radar minimized return. Why do you think the B2 has no vertical stabilizer? The Horton flying wing is a well known predecessor of the B2. It’s common knowledge. Debunking is often a silly game

@imperialinquisition6006 Год назад

@@Odin197188 And yet surely the YB-49 and similar American designs, coincidentally, by the same company that manufactured the B2 was the true predecessor of the B2. Also while I can't confirm it it was said in the laserpig video that the Ho 229 design was tested by Northrop and and found to not be very stealthy. More so than other aircraft of the time due to its shape, but still likely to have been picked up on the British radar of the time, so if that isn't true, could you disprove that for me?

@spanishball9449 Год назад

The Ho 229 was not stealth, nor a bomber, it was an interceptor.

@gsherlock Год назад

Yep, This channel has a wealth is misinformation.

@flybobbie1449 Год назад

I think it's stealth was to come from wood construction like the Mosquito. Low radar signature.

@polakrodak8538 Год назад

@commonavionics6069 Год назад

@@flybobbie1449 Stealth wasn't even a concept in WWII, it only began to be understood in 1960s.

@calebwilliams7659 8 месяцев назад

There's a complete full scale replica of the Ho-229 hanging from the ceiling at the San Diego Air & Space Museum as well.

@AMStationEngineer Год назад

In 1992, the center section of the Horten, was stored at Silver Hill, near the Arado AR 234, and the Convair POGO VTOL Fighter. At the very same time, JFK's Convair 240 sat along side that very same storage building/hangar. The Arado was awaiting Plexiglass work, but was very close to being completely restored, sadly, POGO and Caroline are apparently still in storage. I provided engineering support to an avionics manufacturer, who, at the time, donated restorative services for some of the avionics for the Enola Gay, and bummed a ride to Garber for one of the trips where instruments were hand carried back to Garber, and different instruments were taken back to Pennsylvania for cosmetic restoration.

@jondough76 Год назад

5:18 Hermann Goering was a WW1 ace pilot. Pretty sure he did not personally participate in air combat during WW2.

@lancerevell5979 Год назад

He couldn't fit in a fighter cockpit by that time. He loved his strudel too much. 😄

@Tron-Jockey Год назад

@@lancerevell5979 - He, he, he, so true. Best answer, Priceless............

@mannarmylie4195 Год назад

Goering's bulk was due more to addiction to pain killers that bloated him. I seem to recall he had been shot in the groin?

@Lavthefox Год назад

yeah you gotta take Dark Docs with a grain of salt... lots of incorrect pics, specs, information, blah blah... I wouldnt use these videos as hard facts on a research paper LOL!

@chriscarbaugh3936 Год назад

He would not, could not even fit in a 109!

@twopairofkids Год назад

I was just there and saw the V3 sitting covered under a thin plastic sheet. The wings were right behind it. As of July 2022 it’s sitting just behind the AR234 and the Arrow.

@vaclavholek4497 Год назад

As an update, the Ho 229 has been moved to the Udvar-Hazy Center near Dulles International Airport. It is on display, un-restored.

@MichaelGraffin Год назад

Yes! I stumbled across one there many years ago!

@frankzhang1246 Год назад

It’s under like a plastic tarp behind the hell diver though

@artycat0811 Год назад

Nowhere near a stealth aircraft...Lazerpig did hilarious video on Horton wing.

@centurion262 Год назад

Yup your right and that video is just brilliant to watch!

@rodneylwright7341 Год назад

The aircraft is no longer at the Garber Restoration Center (which was closed) but was moved to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly VA.

@firefrombehind7975 Год назад

Ah yes, a stealth bomber. A plane that was never designed for either but ok

@williamfeilhauer Год назад

You're videos are fantastic I just can't get enough of them, I amazed you aren't directing movies in Hollywood.

@TheHarvHR Год назад

Name a more iconic duo, the Ho229 and being named a 'SECRET STEALTH NAZI BOMBER THAT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE WAR'. Bruh.

@polakrodak8538 Год назад

"A10 is better CAS aircraft then f35"

@raiwserkoopa2221 Год назад

crazy. this plane still looks modern even for 2022! makes you wonder how they reacted seeing this in 1945

@-zedx Год назад

It wasn’t stealth nor a bomber? It was designed to be an interceptor?

@666theninja Год назад

Flying Wing shape is stealthy by nature, so was stealth by accident or by design.

@-zedx Год назад

@@666theninja a full size test was conducted by the US to see if the 229 was truly stealth or not. It did not have any stealth characteristics of any kind and was seen to be its original size on radar.

@666theninja Год назад

@@-zedx lol what Rubbish, Northrop Stealth Expert said it was stealth and Flying Wing Shape is stealth in shape in nature.

@Jimserac 5 месяцев назад

This is the best of the many YT videos describe this aircraft. There is one other that has a brief video of the sole test flight of a jet powered HO-3 in flight but this one describes the design details, capabilities and development strategies best.

@pathos2853 5 месяцев назад

what are you on about this video is awful

@lakesnake2005 Год назад

Aren't these Horton brothers also known as the guys that heard a Who ?

@Matt.Hemple Год назад

It wasn't stealth nor was it a bomber

@prodigal_no_more Год назад

You must’ve missed the part about the wood, not sending back a radar signal as much as a metal wing would. It was not completely stealth, but it was stealthier.

@WildBillCox13 Год назад

Absolutely no offense meant, but this plane was exactly as stealthy as the Mossy and for the same reasons.

@peabase Год назад

I wouldn't go that far. The aerodynamic shape of the Horten suggests it had a smaller radar cross section than the Mosquito. Also, the plan was to use charcoal in the Horton's plywood to make it radar-absorbing. How well that would've worked in practice is unclear, but it wouldn't have hurt either.

@viewofascene Год назад

@@peabase I believe it was tested by the Americans post-war. It didn't help

@peabase Год назад

@@viewofascene They tested a prototype that didn't have the charcoal.

@eyeli160 Год назад

@@peabase There is nothing to charcoal that absorbs radar. The maker of the Ho-229 likely just said that because the US stealth bombers were black and the only black thing he could think of was charcoal

@kingwein89 Год назад

Always the brit who has to comment on the "underrated" Mosquito in every god damn video involving ww2 aviation. Give it a rest for fuck's sake mate. What you said is shite anyway, one has a vertical stabilizer, the other doesn't. Shape determines RCS far more than materials.

@edenbreckhouse Год назад

'almost changed WW2' - and we're off into the realm of fantasy.....

@sharonrigs7999 Год назад

Great video. I just want to say...your narration has really improved since your early days. Well done!

@kandd2591 Год назад

Yes yes but half the footage wasn’t even of the HO229

@kandd2591 Год назад

And overly clickbait title

@JSFGuy Год назад

Incline to believe this was a concept demonstrator, that's where you start then develop and purpose build from there. Definitely onto something.

@brooksroth345 Год назад

I've been to the Garber facility and have seen this aircraft. It's in several crates in the corner of one of the warehouses. I recommend a tour of this facility because you can interact with the people doing thecresteration work.

@cameronhall6623 Год назад

where is this garber facility? is it at the museum in virginia

@brooksroth345 Год назад

It's where the air and space museum restore it's aircraft. . It's in Washington dc but may be outside in Virginia. To me way more interesting than the air and space be museum.

@kylieTXgirl Год назад

It’s been moved and is on display at the Udvar-Hazy facility at Dulles Airport now. Saw it a few years ago there.

@rodneylwright7341 Год назад

The Garber facility, in Silver Hill MD was closed after the Udvar-Hazy Center was opened in Chantilly, VA.

@scottwalton5888 Год назад

Got up close to the 229 at Garber in 1996. The Garber facility is the hidden gem of Air and Space Museum. It is where all of the restoration work is done. They have a very limited tour schedule. Was there visiting an old friend, the little Windecker composite plane that my father had time with an helped donate to Smithsonian.

@jasons44 Год назад

Dude that had some good photos and documentary well done sir

@Mike-Bell Год назад

"Drag was practically non existent" Huh!😅 this is a nonsense statement. Yes there is no fuselage drag but a wing still comes with significant drag which is the cost of creating lift.

@drudgenemo7030 Год назад

The stealth part was not in any period correspondence. It was mentioned in the 80s by the designer to make it seem better. Northrop had developed the flying wing independently and for the same reasons, as had a British engineer. If stealth was a reason, the air intakes would need to be buried deeper in the fuselage. That's basic design criteria. As far as the "Amerika Bomber", the capabilities of the mentioned He-177 should give a good indication of the technical feasibility of that, let alone the tactical impossibility of it. Really interesting aircraft, but way over hyped.

@skylerfox7663 Год назад

Northrop did build a full scale mock-up of the aircraft to the wartime specs and tested its radar signature it found it was partially stealth up until a a close distance away from the radar system. The mock-up was even given to the Smithsonian museum afterwards if I remember right. I do agree that the airplane was not completely stealth but it was still a world first at the time

@drudgenemo7030 Год назад

@@skylerfox7663 kinda They built a mock up And it was sorta to specs, a lot of materials were changed due to cost/availability. Yes it did have a lower RCS, but so would the flying flapjack if it was made of wood, or numerous other examples that predate the Hortens. One of the "drawbacks" of the B-49, long before a thorough study of WW2 stuff could have been done was a low RCS. The wood was to save on aluminum due to Germany not doing so well, not unlike the He-162. The flying wing was because that's what the Hortens did. It was considered due to the range/ payload advantage of a flying wing. Like I said RCS was not mentioned in period documents about it. The reduced RCS is from the side, same as any other flying wing. From the front, those exposed intakes are as visible as any other jet of the period. Kinda important for attack vectors. And since range was of paramount importance, coming in at an oblique would be tactically irrelevant, if it was even feasible. For the Amerika Bomber, almost laughable as an argument.

@frankshannon3235 Год назад

Thank goodness we had the Northrop Flying Wing. Otherwise we wouldn't have been able to nuke the Martians.

@michaelmartin2934 Год назад

I saw the fuselage and a Wing under tarps at the Smithsonian and have been puzzled all this time as to what I had seen. Thanks for solving the mystery.

@gardeth Год назад

I swear I could hear LazerPig screaming the whole time I was watching this video

@VoiceGawd Год назад

The use of footage of the Northrop YB-35 and YB-49 with VOs for the Horton aircraft really takes away from an otherwise excellent production.

@Badger13x Год назад

Interesting that they moved to Canada after the war and opened a successful chain of coffee shops.

@s1lentw1nter Год назад

😂

@benc.1197 Год назад

I can hear LazerPig having an aneurysm as soon as he read that title.

@polakrodak8538 Год назад

Yep. I can hear him scream in agony reading lots of titles on this channel

@markchamberlain9856 Год назад

Thanks for the video on one of the more amazing aircraft of WW2.

@Justanotherconsumer Год назад

It’s really overhyped. Compare the American XP-79, which is almost never discussed. Very similar aircraft.

@pyronuke4768 Год назад

I'll agree that it is a really cool plane. Unfortunately about half of the information in this video sounds like it was taken from a tabloid website.

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

Normally I can defend this channel, but when you start passing off Jack Northrop's work as Horton's? Oh ,let the hate mail fly.....

@Tron-Jockey Год назад

Excellent comment. Thank you. Beat me to it.

@pyronuke4768 Год назад

Yeah, back in the day the channel was decent, but now it feels like he chooses material based on how clickbait it sounds and does the bare minimum of research to scrape by.

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

@@pyronuke4768 I stood up for this guy a couple of times for his b-roll footage. But, I draw the line here.

@oneshotme Год назад

If they had all the wonder weapons they were working a year sooner I don't see the US and Russia along with the other countries winning Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

@jdb79jdb79 Год назад

There’s a big difference between being a flying wing concept and being a stealth bomber. It’s like calling a bottle rocket a Falcon 9 rocket.

@freddythamesblack8479 Год назад

Very interesting part of aviation history., Thanks again for another great episode

@freddythamesblack8479 Год назад

As a little lonely kid I was like not good at sports and had severe dyslexia and ADD and hyper active kid and I love to learn more about aviation history for it was my favorite thing

@larryenglander8735 Год назад

It can be viewed at Smithsonian. A model has also been built to test the stealth on a stand. Nova on PBS did a show

@avshutsach Год назад

The replica built for NOVA is currently on display at the San Diego Air and Space Museum in Balboa Park

@larryenglander8735 Год назад

@@avshutsach I went to that Museum almost 50 years ago…I seem to recall there was a fire sometime back

@avshutsach Год назад

@@larryenglander8735 yeah there was a fire sometime in the 80's and lost some truly one of a kind aircraft, but after that fire, the area was rebuilt and the museum is currently in the old Ford building. This building allows for a larger area to display aircraft, as well as teach the history of aviation. They also have an annex over by Gillespie field where they have the workshop to repair other aircraft in thier collection and to display some aircraft and pieces that wouldn't fit in the current layout. Such as a Ryan Vertijet and an S-3 Viking that was used by Nasa.

@hammersandnails1458 Год назад

This has to be the most over-hyped German "what if" plane of the war, and no, Northrop did not copy this to build the YB 35. Jack Northrop had been working on flying wing designs for years before the Allies became aware of the 229.

@666theninja Год назад

lol Northrop copied the jet engines in the fuselage design straight off the Ho229, Blind Freddy can see that lol.

@peterson7082 Год назад

@@666theninja Except the jet engines were of British origin, which dates back to the 30's in original prototyping. The _XB-49_ was an evolution from the _YB-35._ Which had scaled down prototypes like the _N-1M_ and _N-9M_ flying in 1940 and 1942 respectively. The Ho.IX project which spawned the _Go 229_ began in 1943...

@666theninja Год назад

@@peterson7082 Prop Engines in the Northrop flying wings, Ho229 used Jet Engines. :)

@hammersandnails1458 Год назад

@@666theninja where else could they go?

@666theninja Год назад

@@hammersandnails1458 To the Horten Brothers: who were ahead of Northrop way back when.

@RobertLegereIII Год назад

The Dark Docs channels are among the best of all RU-vid has to offer. KEEP IT GOING BOYS!!

@yeetyateyote5570 Год назад

Btw this video is literally total bullshit, none of what the guy is saying here is remotely true about the Horton. It’s full of blatant falsehoods I thankfully know from being a really big aircraft nerd. If you want a more informative, actually-correct video, Lazerpig’s channel has a fantastic and funny video regarding this exact plane.

@thatonedude2228 Год назад

Not really, there’s a LOT of wrong/innaccurate things in this video, 2 even in the title, the 229 was neither stealthy or a bomber

@ruskiwaffle1991 Год назад

dark docs is in the pits of hell when it comes to historical videos on RU-vid

@americanpatriot2422 Год назад

Always an outstanding video and presentation.

@mikeb.5039 Год назад

The one thing I find funny Jack Northrup and the Horten brothers had been working on flying wing designs independently of each other, yet people wish to believe the US had stolen the design.

@rodneylwright7341 Год назад

Hermann Göring had been a WW1 fighter ace, NOT WW2 as you stated!

@timwhitten9918 Год назад

His fat ass couldn’t get In a WW2 fighter, maybe a in a bomb bay

@Roblambertbooks Год назад

Your videos are excellent with a voice that suits the topic, making them intriguing

@yvangascogne Год назад

@5:18 Fat Herman was a ww1 ace, i can't imagine him in a bf109 with his 300 pounds !!!

@lyon406 Год назад

Our version of this aircraft was the YB-35 in 1943 and later the YB-49 that was jet powered. Pilot Edwards, crashed the last YB-49 in an area now known as Edwards Air Force base.

@larryniederkorn942 Год назад

Funny how most of the film showing the plane moving on the ground and flying are actually the YB-49???

@keithallver2450 Год назад

So was it the Horten Brothers or Jack Northrop that came up with the idea of a flying wing first?

@WALTERBROADDUS Год назад

Both were operating independently and simultaneously.

@pyronuke4768 Год назад

There's a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest they'd reached the designs independently without knowledge of each other. If you want to get technical I think the Hortons built their gliders first, but Northrop had powered flight on his a few years before the hortons did.

@brokenursa9986 Год назад

I think Northrop's design was released first, but not by a large enough margin to have influenced the Hortens.

@Justanotherconsumer Год назад

Flying wings were first proposed in the teens. They were an old idea by the time Horten and Northrop tried it. Check out the Westland-Hill Pterydactlys.

@25bikertrash Год назад

That was the smoothest transition to an ad I've ever seen. Well done.

@Condor1970 Год назад

Why does everyone keep talking about the Horten Bros. like they invented the flying wing? Everyone knows that Jack Northrop began his first flying wing prototypes in the early 1920's, and the YB-35 was ready to fly only a couple years after WWII. With exception to the failed turbine wing they tried to build, the Northrop YB-35 aircraft was far more advanced than anything the Horten Bros were working on. The Horten Bros. had virtually nothing to do with advanced flying wing designs that actually made it into production. In fact, it was called the YB-35, because Jack Northrop has the initial designs of it completed in 1935. Long before the Horten Bros. had anything remotely close to Northrop's designs.

@blowinkk9396 Год назад

95% of the image and videos you used are not the 229

@richvanderwoude8667 Год назад

In WW1, all planes were stealth... They still got shot down...

@darkjedi5646 Год назад

I hear LazerPig malding inhumanly in the background

@MrFox-fo5qc Год назад

I purchased a model kit of the Ho 229 at an air show in the UK in the 1980s when I was child - evidently fascinated since. You used a rather interesting piece of music for the first 6 minutes or so of your presentation - are you able to share what that was - it was very good. Thank you

@craftpaint1644 Год назад

I don't care how wonky they were, my favorite wunderwaffe are the Ho 229, the "powdered egg," and the rocket winged Triebflugeljager interceptor.

@timwhitten9918 Год назад

I liked the ME-163 also, thought it was very interesting when I was a kid

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Год назад

The HO 229 was NOT stealthy. Where's Lazerpig when you need him?

@christopherrobinson7541 Год назад

The wooden construction reduced the radar cross section.

@britishrocklovingyank3491 Год назад

@@christopherrobinson7541 Not by much. There was still plenty of time to intercept.

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Год назад

@@britishrocklovingyank3491 Thank you for that statement which is very true. This thing was not a bomber, it was not stealthy. As Lazerpig says about "Wehr-a-boos..." sigh.

@laulaja-7186 9 месяцев назад

Apparently someone needs to debunk the idea that a flying wing has zero air resistance. It does, just not the same air resistance as a big tube fuselage with skinny wings sticking out. Just like it was not completely nor intentionally stealthy- but being wooden and shaped like that, it can’t help being pretty good. And the flying wing shape doesn’t automatically give a huge payload boost. Yes, we can be pretty sure that B-21 designers have to be aware of both the XB-49 and Horton designs. Even if they claim not to know anything. Wink wink, nudge nudge, right?

@WilhelmKarsten 9 месяцев назад

You don't have to be an aerospace engineer to understand that it's the TAIL, not the fuselage that significantly increases drag. If you don't have a long cylindrical fuselage? You don't need an empennage to stabilize it. The fact that the Ho-229 was made of wood is less relevant than it's intentional lack of retroreflective structures, this distinctive feature immediately jumps out to anyone familiar with radar stealth technology. The addition of RAM like _Tarnmatte_ would have resulted in a significant reduction in frontal RCS and provided effective protection against long rang radar detection.

@Klassiker- Год назад

A: The Horton wasn't a stealth bomber and B: It didn't almost change WW2!

@lasagnakob9908 Год назад

I mean, considering it only started life in 1944, it's unlikely it could gave done anything at all; and as far as I know, its wooden frame was a result of a lack of metal, especially if you consider that all their new aircraft designs by this point were manufactured with mostly wood. Pretty sure the benefit of a low radar cross section was accidental as well, but that's sort of the thing they could have used back in 1940/41, not when the war had long since gone against their favor.

@CS_Mango Год назад

It would not even be that much lower. It was still partially made of metal.

@kirby1601 Год назад

This was just a flying wing, no stealth or bomb capabilities

@Gaetano.94 Год назад

It was supposed to be a bomber. But was too late

@paulgeorge7557 Год назад

Wrong 😑

@Gaetano.94 Год назад

@@paulgeorge7557 too much WarThunder

@kirby1601 Год назад

@@paulgeorge7557 the two that flew were an unarmed prototype and a glider. it was schemed up to be a fighter-bomber but never performed such actions. The rest were captured in production, so don’t even consider the V3 which I assume you’re familiar with

@jamesrose1460 Год назад

Ho 229 had 2 30mm cannons. It was a fighter...well interceptor...designed to destroy Bombers. The bomber...the Ho 18....would have been able to bomb the Eastern Seaboard of the US from Europe. And if the allies had not focused on wrecking the Norwegian Heavy Water facility...the Germans could have had a working Atomic Weapon in 1944. And combined with the A-9/A-10 2 stage first ever ICBM...New York, Washington DC, Philladelphia....joining London, Paris, Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Rome, Brussells, Amsterdam, Antwerp, Calais, Prague, Vienna, Kyiv, Sevastopol...probably Gibraltar, Alexandria, Malta...and if things went the way they did, Remagen, Arnhem, Warsaw,, Danzig, Strassborg and Berlin..would be radioactive wastelands.

@lyradiation Год назад

just curious, what was the horn thing held in front of the eyes at 1:40 ? It looked like some kind of visual aid, but Googling it didn't help.

@johnpaquette6990 Год назад

This channel is absolutely outstanding !!

@mencken8 Год назад

This “vaporplane” could have had no role in changing the war, any more than Buck Rogers’ spaceship.

@yeetyateyote5570 Год назад

Exactly.

@cmillerg6306 Год назад

I saw a video about actual US radar testing of a fixed-up Horten... and they concluded that it was not very stealthy

@polakrodak8538 Год назад

Detected at 100km instead of 130km

@pyronuke4768 Год назад

There's also a rumor going around that there was a charcoal infused resin used to glue the plane together that was radar absorbent. Funny that the actual report Gumman did on the 229 had no mention of this binding agent...

@saftevand Год назад

Wow, didn't know that Hermann Göring was a WW2 ace as well :-D

@titan_fx Год назад

It's neither stealthy nor a bomber. The plane got cannons.

@StevenStanleyBayes Год назад

Because Germany was not allowed to have air force after WW1, the " real " military academy of aviation became the glider clubs. Unlike their name and the fact most of their members were children, they were serious aviation schools. Some children would spend their entire childhood in these clubs, making and flying gliders, mostly, made out of wood. Some of these children became top aces in WW2, others, designers, others, the two thereof. Thus, Americans must not think of the glider clubs as scout commands or gluing model airplanes. They were more serious than this. One of the competitions was who can make and fly a glider at the highest distance from the same hill. Similar, yet, not as popular, were the rocket clubs, where, one of the children making rockets was Werner von Braun.

@sergejstankovic2388 Год назад

Great info...something similar existed in eastern block/sssr...hard to imagine number of experts that started from these clubs !

@StevenStanleyBayes Год назад

@@sergejstankovic2388 As far as I know, there was no much stuff in Eastern Europe, except, in Eastern Germany. Generally, in Eastern Europe, there was a subject taught in High Schools, called " Military Education ". There, the children studied basic stuff, such as AK47 ( Kalashnikov ), disassembly and reassembly, basic theory of nuclear weapons, etcetera. The culmination was a week or two of " Military Field Education ", where, the children drove Lada's, shot BB guns and shot a few bullets with Kalashnikov from laying position with a reserve officer laying next to them and collecting cartridges with a hat. The end was a super show of an attack against a platoon of real soldiers with smoke, fire, fireworks, etcetera. Of course, everyone shot blanks. Real blanks, not " Rust " blanks. Now, Eastern Germany was more interesting. In order to counter every possibility of pro Nazi propaganda in the style of " Before Was Better " the East Germans organised similar military education like Hitler, but, much better. They made tiny tanks for children, which, looked like real tanks, just, very tiny, powered by a two cycle Trabant engine and children, 8 to 12 year old, drove them on a field. This was military education on steroids. Must have been exciting. All these were, really, very good and children liked them. However, a better approach is, probably, not to teach children any weapons. However, back then, weapons were strictly disallowed. No one had a weapon ( fire arm ), except the military and police. I do NOT know, but, suspect, the police kept their guns unloaded with a magazine next to them. In case of a need ( almost never ), they can pull their guns and put the magazine in. However, there were very strict regulation on police pulling guns. Basically, WW3 had to start for them to pull a gun. Also, unlike in the USA, there were immensely strict regulation on police firing a gun. Basically, a cop could fire a gun, only, after the cop was dead.

@jamesricker3997 Год назад

It wasn't a bomber, it was a fighter with serious stability problems and it's engine placement would have ruined its stealth characteristics It could be flown by a skilled pilot for test flights but in actual combat it would kill more of its pilots than it would enemy pilots

@raypurchase801 Год назад

Agreed. But there are loads of RU-vid video makers who know excellent click-bait when they see it. And loads of closet Nazis who want to believe this nonsense.

@tricosteryl Год назад

At that time steathl was not a point Radar performances were so poor... Airborne radars range was about the same as the visual range. And also the screens were two osciloscopes the operator had to compute in his head... The ground stations were also poor.

@touristguy87 Год назад

@@tricosteryl ...why is it that you embody so many commenters on YT in that you are dead flat wrong on everything but your first sentence??

@robertkilroy5699 Год назад

It would have been better if some editing had happened: multiple repetitions of footage of airplanes that were NOT the Horten planes. I saw Northrop flying wing, the Henschel jet fighter, and the Komet, for Pete’s sake! way too much filler, not enough footage of actual Horten flying machines. Tighten it up guys !

@tonkinspoce6949 Год назад

More than half of the footage was Jack Northrop’s flying designs lol.

@FulcrumK Год назад

Beautiful plane. I'd love to see it in flight someday.

@PanzerBuyer Год назад

I wish he had touched on the unique pressurized suit the pilot wore.

@natebox4550 Год назад

It’s unlikely to be flown considering the design wasn’t that good.

@sam-ej7sq Год назад

What horseshit, Not a bomber, Not stealth, and barely got a few prototypes out

@duhni4551 Год назад

The larger prototype was bomber, capable to fly straight to USA from Germany. The smaller one was fighter. It also was stealth, this has been confirmed by engineers, they build the damn thing and tested it with modern radars. There are always prototypes before the produced jet, it was close to come to production. Not that it would have changed anything at that point anymore though.

@sam-ej7sq Год назад

@@duhni4551 the stealth was a side effect of building the plane out of wood and not a design feature and we are talking abt the 229 not abt other prototype cus the 229 actually flew and was tested and was closer to production, even if the bomber could fly to the us. germany wouldn't be able to build enough to make a difference

@redwatch1100 Год назад

You got the killer voice for these videos. Reminds me of the old air force documentaries.

@mikaelbiilmann6826 Год назад

5:20 Hermann Göring was not a WW2 ace pilot, but a WW1 ace pilot. I don't think he'd fit inside the cockpits of either a Me109 or a Fw190, even if he tried!

@billcat1840 Год назад

Might could stuff him in the nose of an He111...

@scottjuhnke6825 Год назад

By 1944, Nazi Germany was defeated. Yes, there was still a great deal of hard fighting to be done, however the fact that Germany lacked Materiel, Oil, and Manufacturing Capacity to make good losses, let alone form new, fully capable units. The designs of the Wunderwaffe, while interesting, might have had an impact in 1943, especially against the Bombers of the RAF, and USAAF. By January 1944, Nazi Germany was simply fighting a Delaying Action against the end.

@thenevadadesertrat2713 Год назад

I would say no to your assessment. Not yet anyway. The Wehrmacht still had a lot of fight left. As an example let me cite a few battles it was able to fight that late in the conflict, 1) Huertgenforest, 2) Westerwald, 3) One Bridge too Far, 4) The Bulge, There are several more. The main fighting took place in the East. The West was just a side show for the Germans. Only 20% of its forces were in the west, and those forces were mainly old guys and troops not fit or trained enough to fight in the East. You may dispute all of it, but facts are facts. At the Huertgen forest the resistance by the Germans was so stiff an American unit broke and ran. Five star George Marshall himself flew from the U.S. to find out what was happening. Eisenhower visited a field hospital and found it full of malingerers and GI's too scared to get back to the front. The Germans did not have that problem. They died with their boots on.

@imperialinquisition6006 Год назад

@@thenevadadesertrat2713 Neither was really a sideshow given that they were losing land rapidly on both fronts and running out of material and manpower. Put any competent force in a defensive position and there is a chance they will do well. They were losing on a logistic and strategic level. Winning a small number of battles doesn't change that. Western bombing had severely weakened their industry by that point, and the Soviets were performing well in the east, with the western allies gaining land in Italy(Slowly to be fair) and in France, the Low countries and eventually Germany, having almost total air supremacy, as well as against Japan in the pacific. So I think you can say that the war was lost by 1944, and no amount of "stealth" planes(Wasn't stealthy and worked not very well, killing one of its test pilots I believe, like most other experimental German aircraft) or men dying with their boots could change that. But I guess we'll never know because they lost the war for many reasons and no amount of "but i-i-if they j-j-just ... " can change that. You may dispute all of it, but facts are facts.

@scottjuhnke6825 Год назад

@@thenevadadesertrat2713 I never said that Nazi Germany didn't have a lot of fight leg. What I said was that by January of 1944, the result of the was was a forgone conclusion. Germany did not possess the Petroleum to make sufficient Fuel; Raw Materials to produce enough to keep existing, let alone Jet Engine needs; nor the Industrial Manufacturing Methods and Capacity thar would allow them to make good Materiel losses, such as Panzers, let alone restore Units to full strength. The Luftwaffe did not even have sufficient Training Facilities to place capable Pilots in their planes. This is not saying that the Nazi Military had no fight left in it. They made brilliant use of what they had, and respect is due to the Officers and Men at the Front. However, just as the United States ability to produce extremely large amounts of Materiel (sufficient to equip our Allies in large measure), had all but assured a Victory in Europe, Nazi Germany never had sufficient of anything in terms of Capacity and Materiel to win once Barbarrosa was undertaken.

@timwhitten9918 Год назад

@@thenevadadesertrat2713 but yet they still lost and died with their boots on. The bulge finished them on the western front, they put up a good fight in Berlin but lost a battle of attrition with the Soviets

@thenevadadesertrat2713 Год назад

@@imperialinquisition6006 Industry was NOT severely weakened because of Allied mistakes. It bombed with explosives. Most German manufacturing survived the war. In fact, about 88% was till operational in 1945.

@edwardcnnell2853 Год назад

In recent times a mock up of the HO229 was built to determine it's radar signature. The design was tested on the WWII radar technology level. The radar signature was much less. It could be detected but not as far away as conventional aircraft. The Germans had already began attacking England by flying low and fast across the channel to keep radar detection limited. The HO229 flying low and fast would be detected only a few minutes before crossing the English coastline. This would have been too early for the RAF to scramble fighters and intercept the HO229. The HO229 would be gone back across the channel before the fighters could get to them. The HO229 was to be configured as a ground attack aircraft as well as bomber interceptor. The English coastline facilities like radar stations would have been vulnerable.

@JohnnyAFG81 Год назад

I have seen this on Discovery channel. They rebuilt an exact replica at the Lockheed Martin SW.

@sectnik6039 Год назад

@@JohnnyAFG81 this is actually false. according to the us airforce, after ww2 they were able to obtain the schematics of the ho229 and build a their own mock up for testing. some things to note about the mock up, it was made with both wood and steel. this made it more "stealthy" than the original design as if it were build fully out of wood, the radar signature would have been higher. the orginial designed also called for the aircraft to be coated in a charcoal based "radar absorbant" layer. when the mock up was fully built, they tested it and found that, in terms of radar signature, it provided no additional stealth compared to other aircraft at the time. however, it was here that the us realized to potential for the flying wing design as it was more efficent than other aircraft of its time. the idea that the h0229 was a steal aircraft simply stems from the fact that it looks like b2

@patrickstewart3446 Год назад

And where would this hypothetical attack take place from in 1945?

@edwardcnnell2853 Год назад

@@patrickstewart3446England was the proposed target for the HO 229. The design call did not come out until sometime in 1943. The design specs called for a 2,200 lb load, a range of over 620 miles at 620 mph and a ceiling of 49,000 feet. The first prototype was flown as a glider in March 1944. A jet engine version flew in December 1944. The Horton brothers during the prototype trails had been diverted into the Amerika bomber program to build a large flying wing jet bomber that could bomb the east coast of the united states. Diverting them to this project was part of Hitlers dream of bombing New York City. If they had the resources to push the design progress or had announced the design call earlier they would have had a working semi-stealth jet fighter bomber.

@StevenStanleyBayes Год назад

Captured, yes, forgotten, definitely, NO!

@dutchman7216 Год назад

That was interesting thank you for sharing this.

@brentdallyn8459 Год назад

The Horten Ho-229 V3 was not the fighter/bomber the Nazis hoped it would be, it was an aeronautical Hail Mary at best and a death trap for pilots who would fly it. Empirical evidence already showed that any loss of thrust would send it into a death spiral, as with Northrup's YB-49 it would have possessed terrible stall characteristics and a lack of vertical control surfaces meant a spin would be unrecoverable. Going after bombers meant encountering allied fighters, and any heavy-handed handling would result in a fatal compressor stall, which also dogged the ME 262.

@infantryattacks Год назад

A voice of sanity. The Germans were always looking for the panacea weapon that would change the outcome of the war. Tiger, Panther, Jagdtiger, etc. Absent an economy strong enough to outproduce the Allies, the outcome of the war was nearly a foregone conclusion. The Horton never reached an operational test unit but Dark Skies claims it almost changed the outcome of the war. Let's surmise that the Horton actually reached operational combat units and lived up to its promise-- however doubtful that may be. All that changes is that a German city becomes the first nuclear target, not Hiroshima.

@666theninja Год назад

The HO229 would of been in time what they wanted it to be, Horten said it was designed with Stealth in mind as it's Flying Wing Shape is stealth to begin with and they added fine charcoal dust into the paint and the HO229 was nearly all wood. Radar dose not work on wood. HO229 did do test flights and one crashed due to a Jet engine failed at the test pilot was told not to take the HO229 out. The HO229 would of been a game changer had it been a few more years up it's sleeve.

@infantryattacks Год назад

@@666theninja Maybe. But you ignore a critical facet of information. Raw materials. The limiting factor for the Me 262 was specialty alloys for the engines. The Germans never had enough chrome for example or nickel. Exactly where was Germany going to acquire these alloys in 1945?

@brentdallyn8459 Год назад

@@666theninja Jack Northrup was never able to engineer out the inherent flaws in his flying wing design, with the final model flying for the last time in 1950 and cancelled for solid technological reasons, only to resurface as the B-52 45 years later.

@666theninja Год назад

@@infantryattacks Wood was Stealth :)

@tomay777a Год назад

I have touched it at the Garber building and look forward to the restoration. Interesting that it looks like the unknown aircraft that Kenneth Arnold described with a drawing of his UFO sighting. Unfortunately a reporter coined the phrase flying saucer when reporting on the sighting. As to its stealth capabilities there was a Nat'l Geographic special where Northrop-Grumman built a full scale model for RCS testing with surprising results.

@None-zc5vg Год назад

The plane was built to a requirement that demanded the use of materials that were easily-available.The use of wood helped to reduce its radar signature but that wasn't the primary intention.

@Von_Lipstick 9 месяцев назад

The flying saucer term was coined because of the movement of the craft, not the shape. The way the fleet of craft were moving in the air resembled a flat rock or a saucer skipping across water. There was a skipping / falling leaf motion.