►Follow us on Instagram @autogefuehl and @thomas.letsgo ►Subscribe here: ru-vid.com ►Compare the VW Arteon R Shooting Brake: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hPLsHj7bU4I.html 00:00 Introduction with Launch Control 00:15 Exterior Gran Turismo 01:42 Comparison Arteon Shooting Brake 02:29 Rear Arteon GT 03:20 Exhaust sound check 03:30 Engine 03:57 Interior Arteon R 05:13 Seating position 06:30 Instruments & HUD 07:07 More user interface 08:24 Infotainment 10:10 Rear seating 10:59 Trunk Gran Turismo 12:14 Trunk Shooting Brake 12:46 Driving Autobahn 19:01 Driving countryside 20:57 Sound check in tunnel 21:10 Agile driving 23:10 Conclusion #VW #VWArteonR Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.
Love your channel and your attention to the smallest details. I have an unrelated question: when did the arteon start having torque vectoring? I have a 2019 model with 4 motions equipped but I don't know if it does have torque vectoring or no.
I prefer BMW's newer designs. In the past, I would ignore them cus they lacked anything distinct. The new ones look fantastic to my eyes, though I can see why you'd disagree. Each to their own though.
Always top content Thomas! I'm proper late, but can't miss it. Also enjoy seeing the old filming style a bit. Makes a nice change and I enjoy looking at you present the vehicle this way.
Great review, Thomas! On this side of the Atlantic (US Washington state in my case) the Areton is tremendously underappreciated though not by me. Sadly, as is the case with almost all VWs we Americans don't have the options provided to Europeans. The basic Golf has been dropped in the US as a result of slow sales. Our Passat is larger, less expensive, and less well equipped than the European version. The US version of the Jetta is larger than its predecessor and not sold in Europe as far as I know. The same is true of our "midsize" VW SUVs, the Atlas and the Cross Sport. The Touareg disappeared when the Atlas was introduced. Our only Tiguan is what Europeans know as the "AllSpace" version. Even the fabulous EA888 2.0L engine lacks the dual injection found in Europe. Of all the vehicles VW offers in the US the GTI, the Golf R, and the Arteon are the closest to their European counterparts. As far as the Arteon is concerned, there are a few noteworthy differences. We have no "Shooting Brake" version available here. Like other automakers VW has given up trying to interest Americans in what we once called "station wagons." A few versions from European luxury brands survive but even those are difficult to find on dealer lots and their prices are firmly in the "luxury" category. Among mainstream brands only the Subaru Outback survives and Subaru goes to great lengths to disguise it by calling it an SUV. Other differences include the aforementioned lack of dual injection on the EA888 engine in the US Arteon. It's not a major issue (except as a weakness widely cited on the internet) and it's easily remedied with head cleaning mostly in high mileage engines. Still, it's an annoyance. In addition, the US version has a conventional 8 speed AT rather than the European 7 speed DCT. As a GTI owner I think that's a shame but VW has undoubtedly discovered that Americans are suspicious regarding the behavior of an automated manual transmission compared to a conventional automatic. Finally, the US won't be getting a full-on "R" version of the Arteon. Rather, we have the "R-Line" in the mid and top trims of the Arteon with HP and torque figures of 268/258 from the 2.0L petrol engine (our only choice). That, too, is a shame but companies including APR offer a Stage I ECU tune that adds significantly to the Arteon's (as well as other VW's) engine performance . And for those who fear risking the loss of VW's factory warranty APR offers a backup warranty that matches VW's version for less than $1000. The HP and torque improvements come close to the European "R's" specs but lacking a brake upgrade it doesn't quite match the factory European specs. Still, it's a time tested ECU upgrade that improves performance tremendously with no discernible loss in reliability and surprisingly little loss in fuel economy. (My last GTI had the APR Stage I tune for 40,000 miles without a single issue.) On the bright side for North American consumers, the price of an Arteon on this side of the Atlantic is tremendously appealing. The top two "R-Line" trims of the Arteon with AWD can be purchased for $40K to $43K here in the Seattle area. (Discounts of $6000 to $7000 from MSRP are common.) Even adding $1000 for a Stage I ECU tune and backup warranty puts the transaction price as low as $41,000 plus tax, title, and license (typically amounting to less than 10% of the purchase price.) Current conversion rates put $43,000 equivalent to less than 36,000 Euros. According to sources on the internet, the Arteon R has a starting MSRP of 63,000 Euros plus considerably higher charges for tax, title, and licensing. To be fair, however, Europeans pay in a number of ways including taxes to have excellent well maintained highways where the Arteon can be driven safely and legally at over 100 mph. Our crumbling infrastructure and speed limits allow for no such adventures. :) All in all, even with the cost cutting and restricted choices for the Arteon in America, it's a fantastic automobile (imo). For the price the most obvious rival is the KIA Stinger with KIA's new 2.5L turbo 4 cylinder engine that's found in at least 7 KIA, Hyundai, and Genesis vehicles. As the owner of both a VW and a KIA (Sorento) I'm torn as I consider giving my teenager unfettered access to my beloved GTI and I get a new daily driver. The KIA has an advantage in terms of its RWD architecture but with AWD in each, that advantage is mitigated. The Stinger has a superior infotainment and embedded navigation system but in terms of other features and interior quality, the Arteon has numerous advantages. All in all, each is an excellent example of a relatively affordable GT (Grand Touring) sedan in the European tradition with the Stinger leaning more to the sport sedan side and the Arteon projecting a near luxury ambiance. A difficult choice.
@@VonDarko In that case buy a KIA Stinger. Unlike the Arteon, the Stinger isn't a true European GT but it's an American-ized version that's more likely to fit your taste.
I love the nearly everything about the Arteon, if it came with the 3.6 engine as in my CC I would've bought one by now. Question is will the Arteon GT (300hp) or shooting-brake be coming to the States?
@@MrLarrylar It appears the 2022 Arteon sent to the US will include a version with more HP and a DSG in place of the conventional TQ automatic transmission. No chance for a V6, as in your CC, though. It will be a version of VWs venerable EA888 four cylinder engine. (BTW, I also own a CC as well as a GTI with the 4 cylinder engine and I love it.) Furthermore, no chance for the Shooting Brake for the US. VW has tried to interest Americans in wagons, both the Passat and the Golf, with no success. Sad, but unsurprising.
First video I’ve seen from you and I just wanted to let you know that you’ve gained another sub :) love this car and your in depth review was compelling, keep up the great work
Stunning ..what a great looking car..It looks like an audi etron gt, with the bonus of a hatchback. And you can refuel in 5 minutes...who needs an ev..
@@TheBigdaddy9448 I'm not sure why you believe the Arteon R would sell well in the US. In general the high performance versions of mainstream midsize sedans have minuscule sales. For example, Toyota says that fewer than 5% of all Camrys sold in the US have the 300 HP V6 engine. Toyota, Nissan, and KIA each offer AWD only on their midsize sedans with their smaller, less powerful powerplants. Why? Because sales are so low it makes no sense to invest more in those models. Finally, VW obviously believes that every high performance Arteon sold would risk losing a more expensive, more profitable Audi sale.
@@stephenhendricks103 Where I live, the Kia Stinger sells very well with it's high performance engine. BMW and Audi sedans are a dime a dozen in all models. I just think that if VW is going to Promote the R line, do so with the real engine. Don't Just call it an R and put some badge on the car with a few lights and stripes.
@@TheBigdaddy9448 I don't know where you live but I doubt it's in North America. If you do live in US or Canada you seem to be suffering from what is known as "observation bias" (i.e. seeing what you're expecting/hoping to see.) Despite rave reviews for the Stinger when it was introduced in 2018, its sales have been dismal. The first year KIA dealers sold 17,000 Stingers, considerably below expectations and production. In 2019, that figure dropped to slightly less than 14,000. In 2020 sales declined again, down to 12,500. Sales were so slow last year that there were widespread reports that KIA considered withdrawing altogether it from the North American market. Perhaps your observation that "BMW and Audi sedans are a dime a dozen" comes from the fact that there are so many more sedans from those brands sold despite their significantly higher price tags. For example, the Audi A5/S5 alone, the model most comparable to the Stinger liftback design outsold the Stinger by 50% in 2020. And that Audi sedan is hardly a sales juggernaut. Fortunately, KIA didn't give up. And US sales for the fist half of 2021 are up slightly to 6500 units compared to 4350 in the first six months of 2020. The strategy? It wasn't to focus on the high performance twin turbo V6 versions where the most significant change is an active exhaust and a gain of 3 HP. Instead, the entry level four cylinder Stinger was significantly upgraded with a 2.5L 4 cylinder turbo deployed in at least 7 other KIA, Hyundai, and Genesis models. And while twin turbo V6 Stinger sales have been flat the less expensive, less powerful GT-Line version with specs similar to the Arteon has experienced a significant increase in sales. The lesson? Scalding performance in a midsize sedan is not a ticket to strong sales. As far as the Arteon is concerned, when Herbert Weiss took over as CEO of the Volkswagen division of VW in 2018 he decided to send the existing version largely unchanged to the US. At the time he said he didn't expect to sell many Arteons on this side of the Atlantic and he didn't care. He wanted Americans to recognize that VW was an automaker with a continuing commitment to European style vehicles including true "Grand Touring" sedans. The Atlas, the Tiguan, the Passat, and the Jetta might be uniquely "American" vehicles but the Arteon was aimed at American consumers looking for an affordable vehicle in the European GT mold. Not scalding 0-60 and quarter mile times but a "grand touring" sedan designed to carry 4-5 passengers and their luggage/gear in comfort at high speeds for hours on meticulously maintained highways, to negotiate twisting backroads, many of which were originally paved by the Romans 2000 years ago, and to fit easily into crowded urban environments. Why not give Americans the same high performance "R" version as Europeans? First, as the Stinger example suggests, it likely would not appreciably improve sales, especially as it would significantly increase prices. Second, and even more importantly, if it was a major success it would likely come at the expense of Audi sales in North America. Trading a more expensive, higher profit Audi for a slightly less expensive, less profitable VW is hardly a strong business case from VW's point of view. Want an Arteon with stronger straight line acceleration and overall performance? Your best bet is a Stage 1 ECU tune of the magnificently flexible EA888 engine. That would erase any advantage HP and torque the GT-Line Stinger enjoys for less than a thousand dollars. (And contrary to claims that doing so would invalidate the VW factory warranty, that is not an issue.*) With the typical discount of $4k-$6K off the Arteon's MSRP, the price would be virtually the same as the GT-Line Stinger and the vehicle would be significantly more upscale in terms of materials, ambiance, and interior space. * The reasons that Stage 1 tuning is not an issue are complicated. But suffice to say that any warranty issues encountered would have to be directly related to the tune in order for a dealer to cancel warranty coverage. Further, some tuning products, such as those from APR can be purchased with a backup warranty that covers the same features as the VW factory warranty for about $500.)
VW could really have a home run here with the most beautiful VW ever build of high quality and Audi level features and luxury. I would love to see the rumored twin turbo V6 putting out 409 HP in an R or RS version come to be and please try and keep the price reasonable just below the brands like Benz, BMW, Audi. That car would blow away the competition from many competitive brands and higher in America, Japan and Germany. This car has beautiful lines in German tradition and engineering. Throw on a beautifully deigned set of wheels that complements the car and it looks like nothing else on the road. I have a 2013 (low mileage) 4Motion, V6 Executive CC 280 HP (a rare car in America) and I have loved it, fun to drive. I would get an Arteon R but need that power over a base 4 cylinder, haven't seen the 320 hp here in America, only the 268 hp version. A little more please for a car that size and weight. Hopefully the tire wear issue on the CC has been corrected on the Arteon. I hope VW will continue this flagship car and market it!!! Put commercials on the airways showing this car's beauty and capabilities in an aggressive marketing campaign, it will work in America. Show it on the back roads ripping through corners, hear the engine roar, show it on a track and show it's beautiful looks. I bet many don't even know much about it. I am an auto enthusiast and why I do not see a lot more in America baffles me as it is much more beautiful than many cars on the road, and many Americans love performance luxury cars.
Really impressed with the Arteon,went with a 440i in the end mainly due to a 6 cylinder,no 4 can compare at this level.In other ways it was surprising close.The VW badge means it will be great to buy after a few years,I have seen a 2017 TSI 30k with warranty nudging 15k in the UK
@@obidean3964 I never understood the love for estate cars, god they look so awful no matter whether its a skoda octavia or amg e63s. Practical? absolutely, just terrible looking.
I think the issue in America is that anything European frightens them, therefore they must find fault with it and rationalise their thoughts. Such a sad country.
Im with you i don't like the touch sensitive buttons. VW please bring back tactile buttons and knobs.. .its a lot easier for drivers especially in high traffic countries like Singapore.
Dunno, if that would make a problem for audi. Why get the premium audi if ya can get all that in a vw? But agree. The tasty 5cyl tfsi would be awsome or a v6 diesel option
Digital cockpit good. Capacitive buttons on the steering wheel, not good. I have drive a few cars with these and it easy to set them off when turning corners.
6:30 Not a fan of the capacitive touch controls for all of the car's main functions. There is no argument to be made for them, they are objectively worse in every way to physical buttons and the only thing i'm wondering is how long it'll take Volkswagen to walk back this feature and go back to normal buttons. I have yet to see a single reviewer praise these buttons and i can't understand why VW continues to push these capacitive buttons.
Just bought a new 2020 R Line in Canada. Preferred it over the 2021 because of price but also because I dislike most of the interior controls and appearance changes made in 2021.
@@blue-ck9ns yea my wife is looking to upgrade from her 2013 GLI next year, and it is between the Tiguan and Arteon. We had the Arteon as a service loaner back in January and we loved it but it is lacking power. When I heard the Arteon R rumors, I was excited but then they decided its not for the US, same as the Tiguan R. With software from APR, you can get power but it's insane that a 2.0T with the IS38 turbo that the Golf R has, aka a Golf R engine, is detuned so badly. I hope they change their minds.
@@timothysimmons9441 They won't change their minds. To do so would seriously risk cannibalizing Audi sales in the US. The Arteon R MSRP starts at the equivalent of $75,000 in Germany. However, with a Stage I APR tune, the performance of the EA888 engine can be brought to near "R" levels and with AWD the problem of overwhelming the FWD with so much power is largely eliminated.
@@stephenhendricks103 Never convert Euros to USD when shopping for a VW. Cars in America are nowhere near as expensive as they are in Europe. For example, the ID.4 starts at the equivalent of $50k in Europe, but starts at $40k in America. The equivalent Golf R mk7.5 model (2018-2019) we got in America for $40k was €60k (about $70k USD) in Europe. With the fully loaded Arteon SEL Premium being $47k, I'd say the Arteon R would be in the $55k range if it were being sold in the states.
Paying extra money for digital instruments is really a rip off. The screen is cheaper to produce than the analog gauges. Das haben sich die Autohersteller schlau ausgedacht. Einen einfachen Bildschirm einbauen und dann den Innovationsaufpreis kassieren. Ähnliches gilt für die überteuerten Navi Lösungen. Wie lange da noch mit einen 30GB HDD geworben wurde als es schon SD Karten in Größe für ein paar Euro gab. Jedenfalls wieder ein schöner Test.
Great review and great car but the lack of physical controls is a deal breaker. Gonna pick up the new 330e soon, hopefully will save me some gas money. Thomas, have you considered using drones for some exterior motion shots?
@@dragospahontu Agreed. But my VW dealer in the Seattle, WA area has the mid-level SEL R-Line trim with AWD for under $40,000 plus tax, title, and license. It lacks only 20" wheels (19" instead) and a premium sound system compared to the top SEL Premium R-Line version that's discounted $4000 under the $48,000 MSRP. The Stinger is a fine automobile but the $40,000 price asked for it around here is for the 2.5L four cylinder AWD version. That, by the way, is the same engine offered in at least 7 other KIA, Hyundai, and Genesis models and is itself an excellent engine. In the Stinger its 5.2 second 0-60 time trails the V6 by only 0.5 seconds.
@@stephenhendricks103 i would rather than Arteon if i had to choose between 4 cylinders. But win Europe you can get a new Stinger with the right engine for less than this Arteon R!
I think the Arteon in a slick sedan in a world filled with SUV's (which I love as well, or some of them anyway). Its interesting how VW and others offer certain product here, some there and in-between. The haptic controls are not my choice either, technology can in certain cases interfere with the driving joy, specially in a GT or an R. Simplicity rules when properly applied. Be safe and Cheers.....
I think the Scirocco and Arteon are aimed at different buyers at different stages of life. I bought the Scirocco when i was 26 and single but at the time i really appreciated the look of the passat CC (predecessor to the Arteon) but was not practical for me. Now 13 years later with a wife, kid and dog, The Scirocco isn't practical for me any more and the Anteon make more sense. Both great cars. No Doubt the Scirocco is a super unique sporty design
@@ios8720 Dieselgate fees! They had to cut out the Scirocco for costs, and the Scirocco wasn’t the best seller so it made sense in a financial sustainability standpoint, but I absolutely adored the Scirocco, definitely will be my first car!
Two things... 1. Yes, I think the most attractive VW for sure. So sleek from any angle. I noticed the 'old' transmission lever, is it a different transmission to the nugget shifter by wire in the Golf MK 8? 2. Okay Thomas, who is she...and no more of your sole smiley replies. C'mon lads pile on him for disclosure.😁😂👍
Great video as always. I'm now waiting for my Arteon R Shooting Brake which should be delivered end of 2021. I wonder If you could make a video like this with Shooting Brake also? With driving experience and the feeling, it would be great. Greetings!
I think this would be a very good alternative option if you can’t afford an Audi S5. That one has (if I’m not mistaken) a 3.0 V6 with 354 HP. I don’t know the price of the Arteon R but the S5 could easily go over €100K+
Great rEview, thanks a lot Thomas. The GTlooks amazing but I still prefer the kombi version of it. :-) *the manual shade is a shame. The Leon does this electronically for half the price with a way bigger panoramic roof... *I agree the plastic for the HUD is not acceptable at this price range
@13:45… you’ve taken this driving thing for granted Thomas. If the lady wasn’t scared on the previous frame, we’ll….. she was definitely concerned here.
I’m always amazed at how automakers can screw-up something so simple as the physical controls within the car. It seems that no one likes touch controls, yet they insist on implementing them, along with the obnoxious use of gloss black in many cars, it’s confounding. So many perfectly good cars ruined by the interior designers who can’t help but use completely unnecessary tech.
thanks for the reviwe i was waiting for this, really nice car glad to see the real exhaust 💥 and your review is always good 👌😎, is there an autogefühl real exhaust police or only fake exhaust police? 😉
Hi Thomas, i heard that suspensionwise and comfort, the Arteon is not as smooth as a B8 Passat and leans more towards the previous CC with a more bumpy-sporty suspension. Do you confirm?
Shit this thing is beautiful, not most inspiring sound (wish it sounded like a v8), but still relatively cheap to maintain and good fuel economy. Too bad we don't get them in North America. Absolutely stunning design.
Congratulations Thomas your lady looks very attractive and you look happy! I would be very happy if it can be seen more often in videos because it will keep it exciting to watch m8!!!
Owned Passats since 2002, current a R line bi-tdi wagon. VW keep trying to pry me into a Alltrack 162 which is the new one here. If VW NZ don’t bring in the Arteon R shooting brake I’m off the Europe to get my bloody own 😜
Ugh this thing is just so beautiful. This is the variant that's not available in the US right? The one that was shown alongside the shooting brake version? I want this so bad
So it's slower than the golf R. Wasn't happy when i heard about the engine. Also i normally like a shooting brake but this one looks like it's got a hatchback glued to the end of the Arteon, rather than being sculpted more effectively. These are my own initial impressions and seeing a car in person and driving it, offer different perspectives on the matter. Certain the Arteon is a nice sedan per se and an R version does sell itself.
Thomas nice job. I have as a company car a 2019 arteon r line 2.0 tsi with 4 motion and 272 hp. It looks great but i must admit this R with the extra performance and styling and tech is ewen better.
Contradictory messages... On one hand,they’re launching all those new EV or PHEV models, and new state regulations benefiting electrification and penalizing petrol models. On the other hand, they’re still launching all these high performance petrol models as well... So,what would be the point of acquiring these second ones if they’re likely going to disappear in the short-medium term,according to the upcoming regulations?...🤷🏻♂️
Digital instruments. I seriously considered the estate but I have two child seats for grandkids so shortlisted the Tiguan, Skoda Kodiaq and Peugeot 5008. I went for the Peugeot 5008 GT Premium auto.
Heads up? I have a 2018 Jetta, so I do not understand the value of heads up unit, I imagine it might be like glare. Could you demonstrate and decribe pros and cons? Can you get a manual transmission in Germany?
