The Shi IDs: Conditionals and Payoff 

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watch as project moon makes a non conditional and high payoff shi id

Actually,The Shi Lore is that they are weakened and absoluately exhausted ,their real fighting style appears to be more based on quick attacks from surprise and them quickly retreating as assasins,they were said to be pretty bad when forced to fight straight up battles,and the fatigue they had by being overworked just mean't they couldn't even use their real techniques . (the ones that appear to be standard shi techniques in Ruina are Extreme Edge,Flying Sword and Flashing Strike,all the other cards appear to be improvised techniques from desperation,Boundary of Death also appears to be a standard Yujin Technique,but she's so tired she can only properly execute it about 1/4 of the time)

Newer shi ids could make use of a "stealth" mechanic that reduces aggro and get bonuses from unopposed attacks. Alternatively, they could mark targets and get bonuses against them similar to the book of vengeance.

A little detail that makes me chuckle is that in lore Shi Heathcliff is TERRIBLE at his job. And when you see his animations, you realize why: he swings his sword like a club, a blunt instrument. He's too much of a caveman for finesse.

Shi identities are honestly my favorite faction in the game and I wish there were more of them. If only they didn't release Queequeg Heathcliff who might as well be a better Shi Heathcliff cause he functions exactly the same I will die on this hill if I have to and will keep shouting until the day we get Shi content

The Esgoo curse will surely bring us a new Shi ID guys!

its actually very strange how they did shi in limbus, we can fight them in ruina like that only because they are exhausted, so, they are not on their top performance, it would actually be more accurate to make shi ids start on lower health but get strong conditionals for having above threshold hp or evenmore powefull conditionals since they are already nearly dying

10:30 I feel like your curse is now somehow gonna backfire and Heath will end up with a +100% bonus damage effect on his skill 2 instead of a whole new ID somehow

man that intro was too accurate honestly accurate with any game with insane world building. unfortunately for me, arknights and limbus are hard to get my much more western-tasted friends into. truly a curse to be a diverse gamer.

Ryoshu is the 4th sinner, hopefully her chapter will expand on the random shi fixer in chapter 4 and give us shi south section 4 director ryoshu (with boundary of death of course)

I have always been upset by PM making the "Shi Gimmick" being overworked. It devalues a lot the struggle of Yujin Group

I forget who wrote it, but I saw a comment that mentioned the idea of Stealth. Stealth lowering the chances of being targeted by attacks, reverse Aggro. I’d love for two more Shi IDs to come out. One that gives itself and 1 low HP teammate(uptie IV) stealth and bind. And another that gives itself and the highest HP teammate(Uptie IV) Aggro and haste. This would allow for a sort of dance of health to happen that lets the higher HP units tank and get low, while the lower HP units do unopposed attacks with less risk of damage. Also, allowing for a character like Ishmael to lower her health again after skill 3 heals her. The actual skills don’t need to be too fancy, but a focus on poise and speed control. Of course, having Hp conditionals. Maybe give the stealth ID bonus damage if skill 3 is unopposed so do good damage, even without clashing. And the Aggro ID gains offense level/ power if targeted by multiple attacks. Hopefully my brain made sense

I'm still wondering why they can't start the Shi IDs at a certain HP threshold such at 75% or 60% since Carmilla is a gift that does exist. I do hope that they implement either that, an alternative method of reaching low hp OR just adding another unique gimmick to any new Shi IDs whenever they feel like adding them.

For the shi association, having a "bezerker" mechanic is odd but the funnier one for me is ANOTHER hearthcliff ID. Rabbitcliff is absoulutely a goated ID, very powerful attack but runs out of ammo, representing how many of the ranged attack were exhuasted (removed from the deck) on use in Libary of Ruina, which is actually funny because one of the passive rabbit team had in Ruina was they SPECIFICALLY never ran out of ammo (all ranged cards lost the exhausted tag). In fact, I actually have a little theory that at one point, they were planing for Rcliff to actually be a Full-stop office ID, but decide to make him an R corp ID instead because of how iconic R corp is. But tbh if you ask me, the notoriety of Rabbitclif would have also been perfect for the full-stop office considering how nutty they were in ruina.

Even esgoo curse cant save shi association from not getting id

Big respect for Shi Ish, she was the first MD3H solo I saw

I love the effort put into these videos, they don't only go in depth but the editing does not go unnoticed. It's very detailed and concise. Rather than pointing a mouse at a menu in game, you go the extra mile and it's amazing Edit: The subtle jokes and memes are something I think is worth mentioning too. Lol

I still don't get how come Shi Ish is the only ID that re-uses her coins in a clash, when Rose Rodya and KK Hong Lu have to suffer with their ~12 rolling skill 2s

perfect timing with the limbus servers being down, very excited to absorb even more information that I'm going to immediately forget

I think instead of starting at a lower health% I think a passive that nullified the stagger thresholds of all shi ids would be a lot better since they can now reliably take damage

I cant wait for the three star shi id that will release soon now that you made this video !

Let's face it if Essgo nail it this time, I think it's safe to say that someone in PM desk are in fact his subscribers and just want to mess this dude mind 😂

Eyyyy, I asked about conditionals on the q & a and the community post. Glad to see this.

One thing to note about getting more Shi IDs is that healing would be less of a liability. Healing your lowest hp ID by 15% would be a lot better if your entire team has the 50% hp conditional, as your Shi IDs are no longer getting in the way of the IDs you actually want to heal.

can't wait for new Shi ids next week

Very nice! (Looking forward to the shi ID banner within the next month)

I did a poise run for RR 2 back in season 2, which meant needing to bring Shi heathcliff since there were only 8 or 9 poise IDs at the time. His S1 gives enough poise count to guarantee having 1 count next turn so he can fully benefit from the poise buff, a detail I only mention because there really weren't many IDs that could reliably take advantage of the poise buff on turn 2. Unfortunately a lot of the RR 2 bosses just naturally have 2 weight slots so his S3's damage was pretty negligible and his s1 isn't strong enough to clash in most encounters. However the 17 from his S2 was enough to clash over most attacks which quickly became his primary use. Something interesting to note is that bringing two Shi characters has the side effect of causing your other characters to become low on health too, since the Shis will be taking most of the passive or gradual healing effects, allowing any chip damage your other characters inevitably take to add up over time

Thank you esgoo, this class was boring ass hell. Your video really helped me through that class!

Finally I know you won't care about my comment but thank you Shi association IDs has always been one of my favorite to play with and I'm happy you making a video on them (And yes I'm still waiting for a 000 Shi association ID 😢)

Oh hey, new video to pass the time with while I wait for maintenance to end. Perfect timing lol

Banger video

Another excellent video. I definitely agree with your thoughts on Shi Don, that she's almost not even a Shi ID with how little the low-HP mechanic adds to her kit, which feels fitting. She is the director, so naturally of all the IDs, she'd be the most skilled and least reliant on being pushed to her breaking point to get results. Her use of a block skill rather than a counter even adds to it, as she likely would know to pace herself and that intentionally taking hits will only burn herself out even faster. She was often one of my 00 IDs for MD2H, since she has such great unconditional clashing, an extremely high rolling S3 similar to TT Hong Lu, and was a 00 Id so she cost nothing to add.

Can't wait for the rupture Video in the future.

I really wish the Shi IDs have only 1 Stagger threshold and all have -HP skill effects.

Time to watch this video 10 times until Walpulgis releases, this will activate the Esgoo curse and guarantee an Outis pull.

Mam it's so crazy how they released a sneak-peek for a Shi association ID tomorrow

Thank you for saving burn with your miracle mister esgoo man

I believe it is logged that Shi gets tons of requests to carry out, meaning they are often well overworked. Section 2 got more messed around by a certain colour, but they normally have the manpower to carry out jobs. But considering Section 3 got destroyed by a "wave of unreasonable requests". My guess is lower the rung the more risky it is to carry out a hit. So you get quite a few jobs from low end people to take out targets out your league. You die and your Co workers have to pick up the slack. That can't be healthy in the slightest. Add in unknowns like distortions throwing in fast balls and low level sections are rocking the tired after job, Hospital trip.

i have never played this game and literaly understand nothing yet this video is entertaining, 10/10

Wake up babe new Esgoo video came out

The best outtro ever 😂

6:40 - I remember the name of this status - Perilous Heart. That's all I remember, I saw it like TWICE during my whole Limbus experience

PM has a pattern of creating S2s that completely outclass the ID's S3.

Great video! Really liked how you explained everything. The only thing I think you should have hammered harder is the fact that Clith is always slowly dieing with his skill 3. And because unlike Fish he doesn't have any built in heal you can only watch in horror. I had a MD3H run where he entered the last boss room with 11 hp. And the boss was Candle with his unclasheble skills. After one rotation Clith had to use his skill 3 once and he was left on 1 hp. Candle targeted 3 of his unclasheble skills on Clith and only thing that he could do is to go with a bang....

i have been actively begging for more shi ids in the discussion tabs

I can't believe I'm gonna die on my birthday next year, thanks for the prophecy ESGOO

thanks for another deep video, also EVERYONE, HAVE A GOOD WALPURGISNACHT

well well well, the curse hit again

It'd be cool if they started adding cursed ego gifts (stuff that gives one major buff but comes with a debuff) to MD, and one of them could be that IDs enter battles with at most half of their maximum health but start with 10 poise Potency and 10 poise count.

Now, we sit back and wait for PM to announce new Shi IDs

surely we will be getting three stars Shi ID at the end of the season

Thanks ESGOO for the Shi 000 ID curse

Esgoo caching in that curse once again

I do actually have some (Admittedly limited) experience with Shi IDs in Railway 2. When I first started playing, the Shi were my fav IDs for their character, mainly because they were one of the few factions where the IDs interacted with each other in their stories, so they were the first IDs I uptied to 3. When Railway 2 came along, I tried to use them because at Railway's launch they were most of what I had. It did not work. Obviously take it with salt because it was a newer account without a lot of useful supports or EGO, and none of them were UT4, but over time, I just replaced more and more of the Shi IDs from my loadout as I built other IDs until I finally cleared Railway. So many fights have awful on hit effects that made getting to low HP hell, and because healing is so essential in Railway, esp for a weaker team like mine that needed to spam Pursuance, it was difficult to maintain those thresholds.

Shi heathcliff, my beloved

I like the idea of a two faced ID. They have some conditional that almost completely changes how they play similarly to void fiend from RoR2.

It seems I am not like a British person. In may ways, this is a blessing.

You have a point about the Shi IDs not really reflecting lore Shi, but only LoR Shi (haha). I mean in Limbus we saw someone getting bisected through a wall by Shi assassins, and they most certainly were not a bunch of tired people, more like frighteningly well trained killers. Perhaps Project Moon could give us some IDs form a different branch than Shi Assoc. South Section 5, that would explain the difference in abilities?

yeah now that you said about it, the new hard mirror dungeon really kick ass that most of your sinners are either below 50% health, this is the best time they add a new ID base on hp conditions, love the new quequeg ID for doing that

Lets hope that your curse works and we get an incredibly busted Shi ID

Oh Yujin, please come sooner....

Now we need a Yujin ID that has a 1/4 chance to gain 49 coin power

Once again we pray for the curse to work out.

Rodya and Sinclair are a good candidates for the Shi roster, lore and gameplay wise. (Should projectmoon delay Ryoshu's) She literally has a support passive called "Gambler" while Sinclair's has that on ally death one.

Istg if pm releases a shi id after this

I was watching this in bed while waiting for walpur to launch and queercliff jumpscare worked on me

I'd argue that Shi Ishmael should be categorized as "good" or "above average" identity WITH condition on due to good clashing and arguably a more consistent critical damages. However, i believe that despite what many thinks, Shi Identities should be used in a team, in order to avoid fatal damage.

I love using shi ishmael on my envy team because it gives me a reason to use her counter a whole bunch and also allows me to stack buffs more on my peq cliff

Esgoo esgoo use your curse to give us more sinking IDs

I feel like a shi associtation or another ID type that steals health from its team to heal itself as a tank could be neat

Can't wait for Shi Outis to appear out of nowhere!

The Shi ids being built around health thresholds is bizarre considering the lore of Shi. Shi was already weird for what we got in Ruina. They were fighting head-on which is not ideal and exhausted/injured. It is possible being more dangerous when in peril could be an 'attribute' of them, but I don't remember reading that in either game. The Limbus Shi just seem really weird when you think about the Shi associations actual lore/niche as an association. They either have to double down or diverge from the launch ones like other organizations. Something like damage boosts/additional effects from one sided attacks would probably be their thing if not some kind of 'aggro' manipulation. The problem is usability outside of focused encounters. Funny how a Shi Ruina mod basically does that (it has one sided attack damage boost if I remember right with haste/speed conditional boosts being the main gimmick)

I always felt like these new shi ids were punishment were for how effective the shi was during library of ruina. They were so strong, PM had to nerf them multiple times.

Shi Ishmael's third uptie story reveals why they're tied to the exhaustion 'mechanic' than stealth; they're directly based on the point in Ruina's story where the Shi are being weakened to be fed to the Library. I say based on because there's not enough info from that story to really say if they're being worn down for the same reason, but Don is voicing her issues with the workload being put on them.

A brief but interesting reminder: Shi Ishmael was one of the earlier Solo IDs, all the way back in Railroad 1 when solo runs were still possible to do during Railway. I don't know the specifics on how it works, but it was interesting to note.

SHI IDS SHI IDS SHI IDS I LOOOOVVVEEE THEEEEM

I really hope whoever the new shi id will be, will "remove first stagger bars" For active shi ids whilst still keeping the second staggers which will practically help in achieving the condition more safely.

0:48 I spy with my little eyes… a pillar of light betwixt the margins of left and right

Alright, see yall next week when 000 Shi Ryoshu gets announced

I am looking forward to the day of a 000 Shi ID with Boundary of Death gamble

Really Hope this time the curse works towards an 000 shi id

shi needs a unique thing to themselves besides hp 50%

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHI SECTION WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I tried using Shi Ishmael in MD3H when I finally assembled my Middle team and... she's so much harder to use than fans let on. Just because she's so *slow* it feels nigh impossible to actually get her to take damage since everything's clashed in unfocused fights by the time she gets to do anything. Frustrating, even if her payoff is incredibly good.

yeap, thats definately a heathcliff, no lies detected

when you want to use a slash unit but pm say: lmao screw you more pierce and blunt fatal enemies

Shi my beloved So for me specifically I have a big issue in terms of gameplay. I often find fights that either deal 0 damage to my Sinners and legitimately are nothing burgers cannot do absolutely anything against me; OR they have it so when my Sinner loses a single clash they instantly die from full. It's incredibly painful for me to try and see the fun side of most encounters when it feels like all it takes is one singular generic low level clash to lose and then the entire combat is for naught, the whole thing, all of it gone no matter from the very start or all the way at the very end. This makes doing the conditionals quite literally impossible for me, because when my Shi IDs take damage they get about 1% progress or FLABBERGASTING DIE. So I just use Don all the time being super giddy every time I get to Overbreathe for that free EGO and her speed is just zoomie. I also use Ishmael and while I have NEVER had the omega happiness of getting to use her below 50% hp, I would love to so badly because it sounds so awesome, I just like using her as the all 2-coiner generically. idk man I would love to play Shi how they were MEANT to be used but without the actual existing Shi effect in Library where they have higher max HP but lose it upon entering combat it is never applicable for me to do anything with. Not, like, STRAIGHT to 50% that would just make it "You have an overpowered af ID with half health" I mean more like just a little progress to boot. Feels bad I'm cringe.

For the question about why Shi IDs are a thing, in Library, they are broken because they bring a new strat to the table: solo. Technically you sacrifices your nuggets so the captain can win every single clashes. And in Limbus, it is very hard to bring that mechanic in, so it becomes the condition and payoff instead of gambling high risk high rewards. Btw, the head of the Shi functions differently. Her build is about using 4 cost page, which is Discard mechanic in Limbus.

If more IDs with HP conditionals are released, I would find a passive like "lose 20% of current HP at the beginning of the battle" interesting. (Emphasis on "current").

They're impractical in a normal story mode run due to 'EX' finish condition, simply having to stall for their gimmick aren't worth the turn when you could've finished it half an hour earlier.

Watch the nest non seasonal be a proper 000 shi

the biggest problem with the older shi ids is that you either lose a whole turn or several more for no reason at all and their counter just doesnt do anything after they get staggered ON TOP of the lost turn you already get so youre kinda FORCED to be above the threshold for way too long a really easy way that could also build into their identity as exhausted shi members is just... let them gain a free counter- as well as it still retaliates after staggering.. Orrr- if you want it a bit more silly you could also make it that the Counter token has a condition like "Battle start: If user is staggered this turn, gain an unlimited counter token for each turn until recovering from stagger. Counter activates regardless of stagger status." And it wouldnt be off theming at all because the theming of shi is already about them being overly exhausted Assassins that still pull through everything despite their fatigue and having them try to retaliate despite losing their foothold severely seems very in line with that

IIRC Yujin states that the lower ranking groups in the Shi association have already been decimated thanks to their being overworked, so it's possible that when trying to sabotage the association Thelma went for *all* departments - and that in the Limbus Shi IDs timeline it just so happens that section 5 is currently the one being targeted. But the more likely Doylist answer is still probably just closer to "because that's how it worked in Ruina".

Mf thought he could summon Shi Hong Lu just like that

Of course, after all, in 04.04 we get first 0000 identity in Shi association by Ryoshu.

I was wondering if you were going to talk about Harpooner. He's easily one of my favorite IDs to use now. Also I'm thinking we might have to wait for Ryoshu's Canto for more Shi IDs sadly. She seemed to have history with them in Canto IV.

Heathcliff boutta start agreeing with ahab with this one...

no pain no game is she moto

Plz make more videos about burn :))