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Is there a way to find out who the people are with Jack in that photo at the end? If possible the names would be awesome. I have heard theories on who they are but I need something to confirm it. Ty.
Another explanation I like for the Shining is that Jack says, "I'd give my goddamn soul for a drink and only then does Lloyd appear and give him a drink. After this he also can fade into the different timelines of the hotel. I believe that he sold his soul to the hotel and that the hotel is the vessel of some demon and Jack now has to do it's bidding.
I think that's a good interpretation, also as explained, the hotel shines. Danny and Jack both have the ability to shine as well. Jack interpets, and is influenced by what he sees quite differently than Danny. Jack thinks he is hallucinating, and he needs a drink. Inadvertently giving his soul for a drink. Things don't improve for Jack after that. Eventually even Wendy sees the shine on the hotel when she sees the bear costume guy and the hotel worker. Remember the hotel can show the past, the future, and can even communicate ideas to a person that also shines. Its up to the viewer, to decide what the hotel has shown to them. I think this is why this movie is so good. It needs the viewer to be involved, and also shine a little!
That is one of my favorite lines in the film. Another is, "I'm the kind of man that likes to know who's buying his drinks..." The other is JN's insistence that Wendy "check out the Snow Cat." The butler in the bar had a couple of good lines as well.
@@sarahgm8996 no he wasnt in the book the very first thing says many of the most beautiful hotels in the world are in colorado the overlook is inspired by none of them
@@OmfgHiii Seems like the producer of THIS video went mad inserting a lot of politically "correct" garbage I'm sure nobody was thinking of at the time this FILM was produced in 1979/80.
Universities could offer a PHD program in “The Shinning” Studies considering all of the various interpretations and analysis threads that can be formulated. The film leaves an indelible impression on the viewer.
*Overlook hotel yelp reviews* ⭐️ There was a hole in my bathroom door - a concerned Karen ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Great service from an employee that goes by the name Grady- a happy guest ⭐️⭐️ I was locked in a pantry - Jack Torrance ⭐️ There was a frozen body outside- one very concerned guest ⭐️⭐️ I was traumatized but I got out of an abusive relationship - Wendy Torrance ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Wonderful alcohol and lovely but kinda creepy bar tender - satisfied alcoholi- I mean guest ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ There were two British girls that came to greet me when I was walking to my room? -a very confused guest
⭐ ⭐⭐ I saw two guests doing something in their bedroom (I don't what) one was wearing a doglike costume. Was there a masquerade party I wasn't told about? ---- Confused Guest
This disagreement between King and Kubrick in terms of the hotel burning v. freezing is interesting to me, as it seems to reflect the differences in interpretation of hell by Dante’s Inferno and Milton’s Paradise Lost. Dante’s hell burns, which is the more modern take; but Milton’s hell freezes.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. I guess that could mean that Kubrick wanted to highlight the final ring of hell, too, but because it's Kubrick it could very well be both or neither or drawing from a completely different influence.
Hah! I had paused this video for a moment and written my reply to Luke Wilson's comment . . . then resumed watching the video and BANG ZOOM, there it is, a mention of Theseus and the Minotaur! One comment, though: that Gustave Dore illustration from Dante's Inferno is of Minos, the Judge of the Damned, and not of the Minotaur.
"You have always been the caretaker" for me it refers to his reincarnated spirit in a cursed and haunted place where bad things happened and were repeating again and again . Jack in fact speaks about deja vu'.
Not Jack's spirit. His spirit was in his body at the time of the 1970 murders by Charles Grady. It was the Native American soul/demon that possessed Grady and Jack.
@@kentclark6420 The "always" part could be misleading, it can mean one of two things, always meaning hes a reincarnation or in the timeline of things he was always meant to be the caretaker. God is to see everything that has and hasn't he is not bound by time, so progression of time is irrelevant because it has already happened, will always happen, and is happening, he is always the caretaker.
lilaaa x Since in the book Danny does burn down the hotel when he was younger he doesn’t need to all that sacrifice stuff as an adult. He simply meets up with Rose at the spot where the hotel once stood and with help of his fathers spirit pushes her off the cliff where she dies slowly. His father soul finally rests and Dan has a happy life afterwards.
Also, ScreenPrism's analysis is so much more coherent and watchable than that Room 237 documentary, which covers only the conspiratorial perspectives. Well done!
Yup. That's exactly what happens. As the title of the scene is called in the dvd cover: "The Hotel Claims Jack". Easy-peasy. A little healthy, normal examination is usually in order before going full-blown tinfoilhat conspiarcy theorist.. This movie isn't exactly rocket science, even though there are plenty of lunatics believing otherwise. How about this train of thought: "Hey, I'm gonna make a horror movie to mess with people's heads!"
Kubrick was never one to spoon feed emotions to his audience. Everything is up for interpretation. Having said that, what bothers me about the reincarnation angle is if Jack has “Always been the caretaker” of The Overlook since 1921 at least, how come he didn’t know his way through the hedge maze? I think Jack Torrence was just a man with protruding character flaws which left his soul vulnerable to the dark malevolent demonic forces lurking throughout the hotel. He had a drinking problem which manifested into violence against his own son which in turn manifests into guilt. Also he was a struggling writer who took on teaching jobs “To make ends meet.” In short, a failed husband and father. These vulnerabilities opened the door to the dark forces who manipulated him. Jack is just a consolation prize. Danny is the real object of desire. The hotel wants Danny because he has “A great talent.” Holloran has the shinning too but he’s too old and wise to be manipulated. With Danny however we have a child traumatized by the things Tony shows him and this makes him vulnerable. Fortunately Holloran assures Danny that the shinning is a gift, not a curse, then warns him by establishing boundaries (room 237). Ironically, the hotel ends up taking Holloran in the end. The only character not affected by the hotel at first is Wendy. Why? Because she is level headed with no glaring character flaws. We really don’t know much about her so she has no vulnerabilities. It’s only after her husband becomes homicidal and Tony possesses Danny that she breaks down. And that’s when the dark forces make their move: “Great party isn’t it,” dog costume, lounging skeletons, and blood-filled elevators. As for the 1921 photo, I think of it as a “Wall of Fame” in the halls of Hell. Look at our proud collection of souls we collected over the years. Look at all the fun we’re having. Come join us. Wouldn’t you rather party in Hell than serve in Heaven?
There's one thing that's always bugged me about the idea of Jack Torrence already having evil tendencies, or lack of connection to his family before coming to the Overlook, and that's the scene when he has that terrible nightmare at his desk. He wakes up, clearly terrified of the visions of himself hurting his wife and son. He's even weeping, he's so distraught at the idea of harming his family. That alone seems to starkly contrast with his behavior in the rest of the film.
I think that works because not every abuser is happy about what they do. I suspect a lot of them actually hate themselves for it. An inability to control your emotions is a profound weakness. It is a shameful thing for a man. Jack is profoundly upset because he knows it could happen. Not every abuser is a psychopath or a sociopath… they just lack the ability to curb their worst instincts under profound or prolonged periods or stress. Once they calm down from their anger ‘high’ they must face what they have done. It’s not pretty. They are to be pitied in some ways…just not as much as the people they impose themselves upon.
Right? During that scene I was half expecting him to turn and become vile to Wendy as he was weeping. I feel like if Kubric wrote Jack to be a better man before Outlook, the initial reactions would be better
He could also be putting on an act to give himself an alibi. Someone just got done choking Danny, and I think it was Jack. Wendy says Danny blames a woman in room 237 but Jack says he didn't see anyone in the room after checking it. You would think after his encounter with the hag, Jack would confirm Danny's story to at least some extent but he doesn't at all. He instead comes up with this insane theory that Danny did it to himself. I think the scene with Jack in Room 237 was another hallucination of his and he doesn't want to reveal that to Wendy. Danny probably knew what was in room 237 (it's like pictures in a book Danny, it isn't real) and lied to Wendy to protect his father. Kids with an abusive parent will often lie to protect themselves out of fear of reprisals (especially when they are secluded like this). Jack's little "dream" is also geared towards garnering sympathy with Wendy (how could he ever hurt his own family boo hoo hoo). Jack needs sympathy points now knowing Wendy will eventually want to know what happened to Danny.
Maybe Jack is stuck in some kind of purgatory and has been stuck in that cycle since the 1920's. Maybe "Jack" really is the Grady guy. And each time he goes through the "cycle" as a different person and will be stuck in this cycle until he finally "learns his lesson". So in other words, the entire film is Jack's/Grady's purgatory.
It vaguely reminded me of the dark comedy, Groundhog Day. He won’t escape the cycle until he can resist falling into the temptations of the ghosts of the hotel.
When you learn about King’s past, particularly battles with addiction, it’s not hard to see why me made jack sympathetic and particularly didn’t like how Kubrick made him more evil. A part of king wants to remove the agency of his past and the harm he likely inflicted on his own son because for him it felt like possession, but Kubrick presents this as an outsider seeing a man harm his family and that’s why King sees it as “cold”. The same thing can be said about “IT” in the way that you could make that whole movie about bad childhoods and sexual abuse of you reveal at the end that there was no supernatural force and the children imagined it as such because you can’t battle a society that looks the other way when a bully is beating the shit out of you, but blame it all on a monster and maybe you can kill the monster.
Jack's last thought was something along the lines of: "They got out. Oh, thank god, they got out." The most moving part of the book, and a perfect example of why the movie (though frikkin awesome) misses the point. The movie version of JT wouldn't have had those been his last thoughts.
I don't think the movie is missing the point but rather consciously makes a different one. Both the movie and the book work in their own way. I don't know if a straight adaption would have worked as well as Kubricks, because (if I recall correctly, it's been a few years since I last read the book) Kings version relies a lot more on the inner life of the characters, which is harder to pull off visually.
Hi ! I don’t believe the movie is missing the point. I believe Kubrick was inspired by the movie to make his own point, like he’s done in clockwork orange. Kubrick gets inspired by books however makes his own points and lessons. Hope that explained a bit
@@thatgirlreacts5465 @Armita Natura @Tim You're all right, and i was wrong. Not sarcasm, just to be clear. Kubrick is obviously quite smart, so the point of it wasn't lost on him. I'm just kind of a sap, and i like a message that's a little more hopeful. Kubricks work is great, i even really like A Clockwork Orange, but it's doesn't really leave me with a good feeling. As someone with depression, i have a tendency to feel everything is hopeless and painful. Movie, games, books etc. that tell me that life is beautiful and the struggles we all go through are worth it, are what i the world needs. Or maybe just me. But definitely me.
Just saw this for the first time on Netflix. Been so aware of the "Here's Johnny!" phrase yet never seen the movie up to know. I was so confused at the end, glad I found this video.
Hands down this is one of the best films ever made.I first watched it when I was around 13 and even now at the age of 37 when I watch this film I am still ingrosed in it.
mr offkey marc I first saw this film at the theater at age 4. Guess my parents couldn't bother with a babysitter. Of course, I could not follow the story, but certain images are scarred into my brain tissue and I have had an abject terror of this film my entire life. I had nightmares for years. I hate huge hotels. I hate patterned carpets. And have genuinely hated all of Kubrick's films because of it. They all give me nightmares because well Kubrick's work is so distinct. I've tried throughout the years to face my deeply bedded irrational fear of this movie by approaching it logically. It kinda works. I'm determined to watch it again, but really fear what this will to do my psychology. In short, I saw this film too young and it fucked me up.
@Mooky Blaylock do you not like The Shining or something, if so why are you here? It's one of the greatest films of all time imo, and definitely one of the greatest horror films.
Seems like Jack hated her and just tolerated her. Makes me feel like he married her bec she got pregnant. There's a part in the movie where he tells her he didnt see lady in room 347. Wendy then says they should leave for Dannys sake and he says"you've f*$& up my life already and you're not gonna do it again"
Stanley Kubrick died of a heartache in 1999. He was 70 years old and he was famously overweight. Of course conspiracy enthusiast fans love to make a dramatic murder mystery out of his death because the great genius couldn't have died of such boring natural causes like a human being does, right.
"How do you like it, Marge? All it needs is a title. I was thinking along the lines of 'no tv and no beer make Homer something something.'" "Go crazy?" "Don't mind if I do!"
The line that Jack said to Lloyd the hotel bartender "Here's to 5 months of misery and all the irreparable harm that's caused me." was his way of projecting and scapegoating his family. His addiction caused them misery and irreparable harm.
Once I learned more about the novel, I always saw the film as, not just a departure, but almost a deliberate reflection of the novel. So many small details in the film are reflected as the opposite of the novel. Even the color of the car being switched with the color of the snow-plow. Very interesting film. So much detail and symbolism put into it.
Maybe the twins aren't Charles Grady's daughters, we are told earlier in the film that the daughters were different ages but the girls seem to be twins, maybe they are the original murderous caretakers daughters or some other earlier murder, the girls dresses could easily be from a more historical period than merely the previous caretaker,
@veronica carlson I had never heard the term Irish twins so I googled it. Going down the rabbit 🐇 hole 🕳 discovering new terminology I realise that my sister and I were Catholic twins because we were a year apart
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Then you havent seen the one where its shown that Jack going crazy etc is just the character in HIS NOVEL...the original Grady had daughters age 8 and 10 not twins and their names are different Delbert and Charles Grady...all the subtle differences from real life to novel are there for the sharp eyes...during his interview he was given the idea for his novel and we then see it played out
Omg, my professor was telling me today that she saw this movie in theaters and her entire family was out of town, so she was alone in her large old house in the middle of nowhere, Texas completely alone. And she wasn’t able to sleep for TWO DAYS bc of how bad it fucked her up. 😂👌🏼
I just watched it on Netflix and noticed that some scenes were missing? Fuuuck Edit: Netflix probably had a cut version...there’s definitely scenes missing....aaaaaargh
I love how you analyze every part of film because I would never notice the details and I see how it relates to violence in that is exist whether though History or U.S. Your RU-vid Channel is Amazing.
When the cook got there, it showed him walking away from the snowcat. I thought, "I'm going to be so disappointed if this is just used as an excuse to give them a vehicle to escape in." Boom, the cook instantly dies and the only thing he was good for was delivering the snowcat. I was most disappointed indeed.
I always got that impression that Jack was a reincarnated character, repeating a cycle of violence, over and over again....Mr. Grady said as much to him in the bathroom, 'I have always been here, (at the hotel) he said, 'you are the caretaker, you've always been the caretaker' that was some pretty scary shit right there, a true horror-movie classic like no other.... the words 'all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy' that Jack's been typing all along, showing that Jack's been 'taken' by the hotel again, was truly frightening, you don't need gore to achieve that just the right setting/music/atmosphere, Wendy's horror etched in her face at looking at the same sentence over and over again was awesome in it's scope conveying it....just a fantastic piece of horror genre
I've just finished it, and it's a very good book! However, it has a very different atmosphere when compared to The Shining. For me, it felt more like a action/thriller than the horror we find in The Shining! Nevertheless, it would be awesome to watch a movie based on it!
GerryBolger It's my first Stephen King novel I've read (yeah I read Doctor Sleep before The Shining), now I hardly remember what happened in that book despite of the characters: Abra, Danny (Dan) and Rose from the True Knot.
Anybody else agree that Kubrick is the king of cliffhangers at the end. Leaving us to interpret our personal meanings. I think the real true talent from a producer/writer giving us the choice to come to our own conclusions. Love that! I could watch movies over and over and reach my interpretation, but find another meaning!
"He's all aggression, stress and angst, and that's all he offers the family." I think it makes the story a disservice to reduce Jack to a one-dimensional villain. It's far scarier to imagine someone who's a good person deep down falling prey to the power of the hotel.
Mrs. Hopwinkle but he still gives that illusion. You can tell he was off and a little angry but was trying to be a good person. Such as not drinking after he hurt Danny but before he snapped I got the sense he never liked Danny and was forced to because that was his son. He was human so he tried but the ghosts in the hotel tipped him over.
@@2020history That's what I mean, though. I adore the movie, I truly do, but I think the movie fails in that regard. Jack never hated Danny. He loves Danny, and has a strong desire to be a good husband and father. That's what makes the story so terrifying, that despite Jack's love for his family, he's still corrupted by the hotel.
Mrs. Hopwinkle yea that’s true. Makes it even more scarier because he was corrupted by the house but unfortunately not all movies do the books justice 😢
Well, it's two fundamentally different stories, the one which blames all the problems on the outside forces ("it's not me hitting my son, it's the alcohol, poor me"), and the one which does not let the protagonist off the hook for his choices.
Interesting, I lean in the opposite direction: I find the idea of a person trying to be good but who has seriously deep flaws that can surface & be exploited scarier than a “good person” falling victim to an evil force. I guess for me the former sounds more grounded in reality than the latter, which makes it more unsettling. People have inner demons and destructive, selfish tendencies... so the idea that those flaws will overwhelm and consume someone trying to be good (especially a FATHER & HUSBAND) is frankly terrifying.
Mike Bush the overlook is literally hell, jack says he’d give his soul for another drink but after he fails he’s stuck in the 1920s with no liquor in the prohibition
I my self, as a recovering addict, (clean and Serene since June 10th 2017😀) can absolutely attest to the alcohol theory. Although my D.O.C was alcohol AND heroin addiction is addiction. And one thing about addiction is that it turns you into a monster. It takes away the emotional and civilized side of us as human beings and turns us into animals. Relying and surviving on animalistic behavior and in doing so drastically and SEVERELY destroying the loved ones in your life. The effects that addiction can leave on the loved ones of the addict can be irreparable and devastating. Also, unfortunately most people lose their battle with addiction and die Young as jack does. His family lives on, while still traumatized, but still they carry on. But, addiction kills the addict and leaves the loved ones alive to suffer but leaving them alive non the less.
There are countless analysis videos on The Shining on RU-vid, But you are the only one to hit the nail on he head. I'm sure this is exactly what Kubrick intended. You always have to figure it out yourself, like in 2001. This is why Kubrick is the greatest director of all time bar none.
Stanley Kubrick was so hard on Shelley Duvall Jack's wife while filming The Shining he caused her to have a mental breakdown that's why you didn't see her in the movies we're so long the poor thing is a complete basket case thank you Kubrick
Stephen King's writing is very flat, much too straightforward and even optimistic. Kubrick's mind turned it into a dark and beautiful masterpiece, much more relatable and true to life I think.
..... How is it more relatable? The film turns an ex alcoholic who slips back into old habits, is re-taken by his demons, forced to struggle between his darker impulses and his love for his son - and turns him into a one dimensional horror movie monster. At what point in the film does Jack Torrance not scream "I am the bad guy"? At what point in the film do we see his internal struggle? He basically gives himself over to evil at "pretty please". The entire book is a metaphor for King's struggles as an ex alcoholic, and how terrifying to him the idea was that he could slip back into that at any moment. This is a VERY real and relatable fear for anyone who is recovering from any kind of addiction. He's not being too straight forward. You're taking it too literally. Most of King's work is meant to be metaphorical. And he is FAR from optimistic; that made me laugh. You haven't read enough King books. Remember; if that book was not INCREDIBLY successful, the movie would not exist.
not in MY opinion. King's book, IMO, shows human horrors still, but through addiction. not psychology (insanity) the way we see Nicholson's version of Jack just get all crazy and violent. Jack was supposed to sort of get "drunk" again at the hotel, not go insane. which is ALL Jack in the movie does --- just goes insane. Sure SURE he 'falls off the wagon', but even in the book if i'm not mistaken it's almost as if every day that passes it's like Jack is getting more and more drunk. It's a stark difference between human frailty & vulnerability through addictions VERSUS mental instability. I mean, sure if i was married to whiny Shelley Duvall, i'd wanna bash her brains in with the bat too. LOL But King wrote them as people dealing with normal human vulnerabilities, and Danny just happens to have an unrealistic ability to talk to people using just his mind. The movie is like some political commentary (with the USA colors & the disrespect to the Native American land/peoples etc) and has no real heart for the people involved. So that the TV movie adaptation shows that Jack has a heart and doesn't ever MEAN to hurt Danny - it was the illness of alcoholism that twisted him into someone who hurts... So in the TV movie adaptation you also see Jack looking/acting more and more drunk as the hotel 'takes over him'.
The book was 10,000 times better than Kubrick's movie!! Shame on you for thinking otherwise. The mini-series with Rebecca DeMorney and Stephen Weber so depicted the book much better!!! Now, not to offend anyone, I will stick in 'IMHO" (but that's the truth!)
Amy Fath - I agree with you. Although I didn't read the chapter that gave some ad nauseum details on the crimes & stuff that happened in the Hotel. I was more interested in the characters and their development & their issues than the hotel's history. Just me.
In Dr. Sleep (the sequel novel to the shining), there is a camping ground at the location where the Overlook once was and the finale of the book happens there. It is hinted at in the book, that these circles are broken at that time, so they live past the destruction of the hotel. (oh, and yeah, the hotel gets destroyed in the book)
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Speaking of which... There are haters that made me believe I look like a "FAKE-ASS STEPHEN KING". Hell no, THEY do. Ex: Thiti2000, who will soon die like Jack Torrence in the frigid wintry outdoors.
A theory about how Jack gets out of the storage room is that there is a set of doors behind the shelves where Jack is sitting and hears Grady's voice. Jack hears and sees Grady when looking into mirrors and reflective surfaces. He's actually talking with himself.
But Grady physically opens the cooler pantry door. Jack appears in the last photograph. Jack isn't talking to the mirror. He sees himself and Grady (the former caretaker) there together. I think the theme of the film is that the Ghosts and murderous hauntings are REAL. That is what makes the Shining so scary. The concept even scares Stanley Kubrick, and Danny's fears are his too. Kubrick knows and has seen too much!
@@stevestars303 And I'll add my personal fan theory no one mentions is Allllll the black and white photos are all the ghosts still there haunting. So my theory aligns with yours. There's also a theory that Danny or Wendy is making it all happen to get rid of Jack in their current situation.
@@jooliagoolia9959 I think I saw the 237 documentary but I may have to review it again. Most of the film Kubrick made were actually about the same theme. Insane and deviant controllers who manipulate peons below them, even to killing.
Evil Twin What I took away from the book is that you don’t get sucked in, you’re always part of it hence one of the main lines of the book “all times are one”. I believe that jack was a reincarnated version of the overlook to do the bidding of the building itself.
@@tounsi_m7ashesh well the thing about "the thing" is that in my opinion the story is just bullshit. And it was really disgusting... but maybe I think that cause I dislike science fiction horror movies (mostly including aliens) and think they are just boring and repetitive and disgusting. And as I said to be honest I think nightmare on elm street is really boring. The story is pretty good but I just think that the movie is boring. But I guess everyone has a different taste. I'm more into psychological horror movies or thrillers.
After watching this and reading many of the comments, I have some theories about the theme of alcoholism in the movie. The photo is dated 1921, and American prohibition of alcohol began in 1920. For the photo to make sense, assuming people are enjoying cocktails as the movie shows, it would have to have been done in secret because of the law. There’s the theme of hiding alcohol use, a common behavior for alcoholics. Many alcoholics and non-alcoholics use holidays and special occasions as a celebratory reason, or excuse, to consume alcohol. They hide behavior, and put on a happy face for the world to see. The photo is of a large group of people, smiling, and celebrating when it could have only been done in secret in 1921. We can see, taste, smell, and touch a drink, but we cannot hear it. It is believed this is where “clinking” originated when we cheers and make a toast. The idea is that by creating sound, we satisfy all five senses in the enjoyment and consumption of the drink. The hotel is also missing this one sense of sound; it’s very quiet, and Jack’s five senses are not completely satisfied without it. Only Jack seems to be plagued by this silence. In order for the hotel to have sound, it must be created by the people who are there. By giving into his destructive alcoholism, Jack has caused much of the sounds to be those created by his own desperation - his yelling and Wendy’s cries. He’s hellbent on making as much noise as possible. REMEMBER: The shining is done in silence. Whole conversations happening without either person saying a word?! The shining is the ability to understand and connect with others without requiring actual sounds. Although it is entirely possible to drink alcohol without clinking glasses, Jack believes he must have this noise in order to be fully satisfied and to remain in denial that his drinking isn’t a problem - it’s merely used in celebration, a common excuse for consuming alcohol. Wendy and Danny can’t provide that sound he truly craves, in the form of enabling his alcoholism; however, the supernatural figures can because Jack is the one who sees and interacts with them. He says he would give his soul for a drink, and the bartender appears. Jack feels disconnected from his family and resentful at their ability to communicate in a way he cannot. He feels isolated, as alcoholics do, and he recluses further. The silence of “the shining” is deafening to the desperate and resentful Jack. When we cheers, we are making a toast, or toasting. Jack has no one to toast with but himself (maybe that’s why in King’s version, the hotel burns). It finally and literally toasts Jack. Jack is told he has always been “the caretaker.” The cycle of addiction and the psychological harm inflicted on the children of an alcoholic parent creates the unhealthy codependent - deemed literally “the caretaker.” It is safe to assume that Jack comes from a family of an alcoholic himself, backing the idea of repeated cycles of violence mentioned. Codependents or “caretakers” often cope with alcohol and drugs into adulthood, perpetuating the cycle. In the novel, Jack says thank God that Danny got out. Jack dies before the cycle could be repeated, which would have likely caused Danny to become a codependent, a caretaker - and more likely to become an alcoholic. Lastly, the last shot of the wall of photos show 21 pictures hanging on the wall. Remember the year 1921 and the picture states it was the 4th of July ball, keeping with the theme of America and patriotism, and the Overlook Hotel (overlook is an appropriate name) is located in Colorado. Colorado was unique in its passing of alcohol laws in regards to legal age for consumption. To put it briefly, it had the lowest age in the country of 18, which only a handful states also had. Just a FEW years after these states dropped their legal drinking to 18 (in response to people being able to vote at age 18 🇺🇸) thirty US states then raised their ages to 19 to combat drunk driving fatalities. Colorado did not. It wasn’t until four years after this movie that 21 become law across country. When this movie was made, the most common ages in states across the country were either 19 or 21. Colorado kept theirs at 18. Most states actively tried to curb consumption of alcohol in this way, but Colorado didn’t. And it was one of the only states with NO minimum drinking age after prohibition. Colorado did not budge from the age of 18 until the federal law was passed in 1984 that made 21 the legal minimum age nationwide. As Jack says, “Bourbon - the White Man’s Burden.”
Like Jack, who has “ALWAYS been the caretaker,” You and I are guests of the Overlook. We’ve “ALWAYS been guests of the Overlook.” We watch the film time and again looking for some nook and cranny of meaning within the frame that we missed the last umpteen times we’ve seen it. We search for some hidden clue that nobody else caught and yet we’re still fascinated by other people’s interpretations. Personally I check in the Overlook Hotel during October, around Halloween, as part of my horror movie binge watching marathon. I bet you didn’t even know that you were a guest of the Overlook and will ALWAYS be a guest. And that, my fellow guests, is the brilliance of Kubrick.
For me, The Shining is an excellent film and one of my favourites, but comparing it to the source material is a little too apples to oranges. They are wholly different creatures, and each has its own merits, flaws, and insights. Without rehashing what others have already pointed out, I think one of the few things the movie really stumbled on was the reduction of Wendy. In the novel she is a truly three dimensional women, haunted by her childhood and experiences with her mother, and an active participant in the story whereas the film's Wendy is more akin to a bystander or audience surrogate.
I completely agree, especially when it comes to Wendy. In the novel Wendy goes as far as to give Jack an ultimatum, long before the Overlook even became a possibility: this caretaker hotel job is Jack's final strike. If he does not shape up she will leave him and take Denny with her. The way she comes to this decision is something the reader gets to experience for themselves and shows that Wendy is perfectly capable to being more than the tag-along wife. Wendy's love for Jack is also much more present in the novel.
@@Nocturnalux Yes this is true about Wendy but according to Kubrick he wanted her to be submissive because he felt that a woman that was more head strong would be less likely to put up with Jack from the beginning.
@@rexpipin08 Very much so but here too there was quite a shift in terms of character dynamics as Jack, in the novel, starts out as a decent guy whose alcoholism consumes him even as he struggles against it. In the movie we hardly get to see this caring side of him, he comes across as borderline crazy almost from the very first scene. I suspect these differences come, at least partly, from the necessary compression that Kubick added to the movie in which The Overlook is everything. The novel has a fairly detailed history of the family before the hotel ever came up in their life, such as Wendy issues growing up with a very demanding and mother, who has made her feel like an inadequate mother herself; and Jack's long, long struggle against addiction and the way it all came to a head when he run over an empty tricycle while driving after a booze orgy. Had the tricycle been occupied...he would have killed the child; which is also brilliant foreshadowing as it lets us know that Jack already feared hurting children long before the Overlook. I think Kubrick's choice of compressing the events was for the best but the novel also has much to offer in terms of letting us fully understand the family.
@@Nocturnalux That's a very good way to analyze it and I have to admit I haven't yet read the novel. After reading the way you describe it to me I can see now how vastly different Kubrick's interpretation was to the original novel. It would be an interesting read to find out more relating to the family's past as you mention it. I can see now how Wendy and Jack's past can be seen to rise up again in the movie and uncover the very things that haunted them. Having only seen Kubrick's movie and witnessing the not so pleasant side of Jack from the beginning I would be interested to learn what his more pleasant side might have been like. Thank you I'll make a start on the novel as soon as I can get a copy.
I have to hand it to you: there's a lot of pretentious videos discussing this film on RU-vid, but this is one of the better ones I've seen. You actually use the film to analyze the film, instead of reading into it a lot of outside influences that often feel very convenient or outright ridiculous. I've seen people read Holocaust/Nazi influence in this film, or even argue that Kubrick left hints that he filmed the moon landing, which range from somewhat interesting to batshit insane. I really like that your theories were grounded in a lot of what can actually be proven by an examination of the script or images on the screen, and based on what those involved in the film have said about their intent. Well done!
Uhhhhh no. He HATED how the main character was portrayed, because it totally misses the point of the book. Jack Torrance wasn't meant to already be a jerk. He was a flawed, but ultimately good man who ended up being corrupted by the forces of the Overlook. Which is why, in his last moments, he tells Danny to RUN. That's the last moment where the real Jack Torrance has control, forcing the demons controlling him to literally and figuratively DESTROY him beyond all recognition (by smashing his own face in). The Shining is Stephen King's own fears about his past alcoholism; Jack is an ex alcoholic who is taken over by his demons and loses control. If he's already an asshole when he GETS to the Overlook, you don't see him as the tragic hero he's meant to be. THAT'S what pissed King off. You're meant to sympathise with Jack, not see him as a monster. It's a "Writer thing" to hate adaptations that DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINAL. I agree that the Shining is a fantastic adaptation, but Jack Torrance's portrayal is deeply flawed and shows a lack of understanding of the source. You clearly don't get it; for us, our work is our BABY. Having to make big changes in a story for the sake of improvement is literally referred to as "killing your darlings". We spend months, sometimes YEARS on each piece. Of course it's going to piss us off when someone doesn't give a shit about the message we're trying to send, after all that.
I think that both variants are intriguing. King's portrayal focuses on an evil outside of Jack's character, Kubrick's on an evil inside. EDIT: Also, understand that even though it may be "your baby", sometimes adaptations are just better. One example is The Mist, where even King himself acknowledged that the movie's ending is much better.
I think to preserve something old and flawed story rather then a newer and arguably better tale for the sake of a writers emotional connection is just plain immature and pretentious, its not like the book doesn't exist because the movie had a different focus, and if every movie adaptation of the book was a line by line copy it would be incredibly boring, and Stanley Kubrick did an incredible job of taking the scene and burying it in so many underline flaws to be human, where King made the house the main villain Kubrick made humanity itself the main villain and the supernatural elements in the movie can be debated as being real or in their heads, making the movie feel like a much more realistic setting and series of events which is so good for me because when King overemphasizes supernatural themes the story just becomes a fairy tail more then a horror novel. But I too sense a bit of jealousy in Kings words as Stanley was able to create a much better story without having to harshly rely on "supernatural elements"
Jack wasn’t talking to any ghosts, Delbert and Lloyd were manifestations if Jacks own personality reaffirming his past/present choices because Jack can Shine too he’s just not self aware of it
I'm disagree. When he is locked in the store room something freed him; we never seen the shining as telepathic. Also by the end Wendy start to see the ghosts.
Gold Monkey, if you had read the book then you'd know that even Danny suspected that Jack had some of the Shining. So before you go calling people retards, you may as well know what the fuck you're talking about.
This is one of the best approaches I've seen/heard about the film. Yet although there are many levels to consider, there is only one explanation that covers and contains them all. It even explains what the "shining" means exactly. This is even in consideration of unconscious intentions from the directior, because the symbolisms he uses, are simple accurate. There is a clear meaning that connects all the dots.
I’ve seen this film numerous times. I saw it when it came out in the theater when I was 5 years old. I have to say that people sometimes miss some obvious points in the film. Jack shouldn’t be carrying the entire load here. His whole family went mad - Wendy is on edge and hysterical, Danny stopped talking, and Jack keeps going on about his responsibilities, never mind that Wendy is the only one working while he uses his typewriter to lie to his family about his writer’s block. Those repetitive sentences and the constant report of the typewriter always struck me as a way to keep his family away from him while hiding his inability to provide for them. Jack didn’t do anything violent until after Wendy gave him a brain aneurysm with a baseball bat to the head. Wendy killed Jack, not the cold. He was slurring his words and swinging an axe only after his brain injury.
Through the artistry of Stanley Kubrick, the effectiveness of the actors and actresses, and the over-powering realism of the cinematography, just as you said in your commentary: "We are trapped in the Outlook Hotel forever!!! Yes, this cycle began with the writer, Stephen King with a well-written, effective book, but Kubrick pulled the plot of the book out of King's some-what scary world of vivid characters and scary plot twists and put the movie version into a vividly compelling and horrifying universe of ultimate terror and fascination. Because of the depth of expertise of Stanley Kubrick's version of the Stephen King novel, we are thrown into a universe of levels of possibilities. It is obvious that Stanley did not want us to figure-out his movie because once something is predictable and understandable, we are not trapped by it. Stanley has successfully trapped us with this movie and though he is gone from the earth, nothing we can do will solve the mystery of the Overlook Hotel and free us from reliving what happened in the Overlook Hotel over and over and over again!!! What a marvelous work of art!
This is an incredible analysis of this movie. Gave a lot of insight. Honestly this movie is so brilliant on so many levels. I especially love the "impossible" architecture of the hotel, with impossible hallways and door placements. Thanks for your work!
I saw this in the theater in NYC during it's original release. I love horror and this movie scared the crap out of me. Now, at age 60, it is still the best, most horrifying film I've ever seen. Funny, I was planning a trip to Oregon earlier this year and wanted to see the Columbia River Gorge area - I was looking at hotels the the Timberline Lodge came up. Something about the pics of the exterior gave me the creeps and I couldn't understand why. A bit later I discovered it was used as the exterior for the Overlook. All those years and still a shot of the exterior of the filming location creeped me out. I don't know a better testimony to the power of a film - at least for me.
I love it when you let people's imaginations run wild by creating a huge vehicle like this for them, but specifically for horror. Makes people appreciate life. Another one in video games is the original trilogy of Splatterhouse games by Namco.
1) I think Jack has the ability to shine, but represses it. That's why he's so able to go through all these things, and be manipulated so easily. Because his abilities are very weak. Thoughts? 2) I've been trying to abstain from seeing this movie for the 40th time but now I have no choice. 3) Stanley Kubrick is a cinematic genius. King though a good author, Kubrick made a masterpiece.
I swear, Stephen King is truly a freakin’ mastermind. The stories he has come up with & all the movies that have been made due to him, always blow me away. It’s not always horror tho either. He’s amazing at so many different genres. But, that being said, horror is my favourite of his.