@@teecop4735agreed. a women who is not privileged like Kate Holmes will be in a very bad situation. But Kate Holmes she's not innocent or a victim at all Tom Cruise it's a very rich Famous actor and member of Scientology he's life everybody knows he's life is Scientology he's dedicate he's life to Scientology everybody knows. She knows too her parents know the whole world knows. She's not a victim she knows what she sign up for. He didn't force her to date him and get pregnant and married him. Was her choice. Why talk bad about him. She sign up for this. Because she's bad actress he very famous very rich and he's old them her much older. She knows all that. She kidnap her daughter from him. The father.
Katie’s father helping her and Suri get out of Tom Cruis’s and Scientology’s claws was not only genius, it shows real love a father has for his daughter!
Totally agree!! I applaud Katies father for working so cleverly to free his daughter and granddaughter. I used to like TC, but when Nicole Kidman shared that her children with Tom think of her as an SP, or suppressive person I stopped watching his films. That is pure evil, to stop a mother seeing her children.
He never took his eye off his daughter and he kept a very close eye on Tom. He was meticulous, he calculated every move, and most of all...he was patient. Tom never stood a chance against that man. Tom met his match in Katie's father.
I have such respect and high regard for KH. She proved just how strong and independent she truly is, AND saved her daughter from this cult. No wonder TC can't find another wife.
@@charisma-hornum-fries i remember that divorce and kidman was a lot more concerned with finances and she had her own money and could have taken those kids a deprogrammed them but she just wanted out. Katie seemed opposite more concerned with the kid and less with money
Don't forget that she had Suri. A woman with a child is more vulnerable when trying to escape a bad marriage than a woman alone. It took a lot of courage for Katie to get out.
This is exactly correct!! In the middle of my own in-law family cult right now, and all I can say is I wish I had a ball-buster parent attorney on my side. Katie is my hero!!
I’ve always felt from the beginning when it happened that she had been filming/“living” in New York for at least six months…SO SHE COULD FILE IN NEW YORK WITH SURI - as law is “where the child has lived for the last six months” is where jurisdiction is. I caught that from day one and haven’t heard anyone mention that. She. Was. GENIUS.
They have mentioned that factor many times in various videos. You probably saw it in one of these videos. Her father was brilliant and exploited every law to her advantage.
@@epi965 that's the point, everyone _does_ know the bit about 6 month residency in terms of custody disputes. That's where the "genius" of it comes in. It's that she low-key set up filming projects/professional work in NYC for the purpose of giving her a legitimate reason to be there in a way that called minimal attention, therefore shielding why she was ACTUALLY there-for the purpose of custody/divorce, a piece of her escape plan. Katie had to be careful in the projects she lined up, it all had to "fit" within the bounds of what makes sense for her, *Katie Holmes,* i.e. not coming off too eager in the roles/work she accepted. Katie was an A+++ lister and would have had no shortage of professional opportunities available to her.
Katie reminds me of a friend I had in Louisiana. Her first marriage was to a man who was abusing her. Luckily, she was working, and was able to set up her escape. She paid all the bills, cancelled their joint credit card and bank accounts, found a new place to live, all while still married, then she packed up and left with her son. She didn’t leave any loose ends. I really admire her for that. Years later, she met and married a nice man who loved her. And they were very happy. He eventually died of a heart condition, unfortunately. But while they had each other, they were happy.
Can you imagine the power move of calling him and saying something along the lines of, "I want a divorce." Ends the call, turns off the phone, dismantles it (like some kind of spy movie), and throws it in the trash. What a legend.
Just slip out the back Jack, make a new plan Stan, no need to be coy Roy... Listen to me, hop on the bus Gus, you don't need to discuss much, drop off the key Lee and set yourself free!! Paul Simon, 50 ways to leave your lover 😂
I've always imagined it started like a normal day. She invites dad to the house, makes a signal to her lips like 🤫 and then writes on a piece of paper, ''I want a divorce'' and her dad being like 🕵️👍. and then they both continue talking like nothing happened. Dad then tailgates it the fuck home and immediately set a plan in motion.
Katie's dad was the one who defeated TC & Scientology. The man was very smart and knew what to do and what to tell Katie to do. I remember when TC and Katie got together. For a while, at the beginning she acted like she was totally brainwashed, and was zombie like. I'm glad she got out with Suri.
I remember thinking how great it felt to hear that Katie got Suri out and full custody was given to her. I was never a big fan of TC but any bit of respect I had for the man was gone when he choose his cult over his child.
Her dad created her prenup that apparently filled 4 bankers boxes. Kudos to Katie’s dad!!!! That is how she had it settled in 11 days with full custody!
For her to have gotten such a quick settlement and full custody, she had some very damning evidence against Tom that would’ve killed his career. Notice that he doesn’t do interviews the way he used to. He doesn’t want anyone asking him questions that’ll trigger him!
His handlers tell def give the interviewee a list of topics and questions that are totally not allowed and if they brake that rule then they will never get an interview from Tom or any other Scientologist and will sick lawyers on them, resulting in ruining their careers.
Hearing all of this is actually kinda scary. Her dad could not have done all of this alone and to have to choose which people you're entrusting your daughter and grandaughter's lives with would be extremely stressful. At any point one of them could have informed on her.
The only reason why Katie Holmes was able to escape and have a safe life for herself and Suri is her father. He is an awesome lawyer and prepared the divorce very carefully, knowing exactly what he had to do.
Katie's father, I'm sure, was preparing that divorce before they were even married. They could see the strangeness of that relationship, and Tom's controlling narcissistic behavior. Thank goodness she had a loving family and smart father who knew exactly how to handle it.
Did you hear KH or TC telling this publicly? Please, don't take this gossip between the two people in the video seriously; people like them are ruining other people's life. Please, don't be part of this!
The levels that Katie went to leave Tom is insane, if that isn’t proof that she wasn’t escaping an abusive or toxic environment I don’t know what is. You don’t go to that extreme if you aren’t concerned that you may be held against your will if the other person finds out. I’m not saying there was violence at all, but this is what DV victims have to resort to.
Well, she had reason to... Where is Shirley? She knew and saw what happened to her, and knows what what done to Britney and figured they could do the same to her. And she'd just be a footnote as Tom Cruise's reclusive wife former starlet Katie Holmes.
Speaking as a father of a daughter, I loved her from the moment she was born. She became the most important person in my world. She's 24 now and I'm very grateful to have her in my life.
Katie saved her daughter from the craziness that her father worships..I stopped watching TC movies when I heard that he refuses to use his visitation rights in order to spend time with Suri..His over the top behavior during the Matt Laur interview was another reason I stopped watching his movies..
I have always felt a weird vibe from Cruise. Because of this I stopped watching his films years ago. His actions on shows like that interview and Oprah Winfrey just confirmed my suspicions.
I’m sure the agreement between Katie and Tom is that she keeps her mouth shut about what dirt she has, and Tom had to let her and Suri go completely, no strings attached. It very well might be that Katie doesn’t want Tom in contact with their daughter, and I can’t say I blame her for it. Scientology is all about brainwashing and I want my kids as far from that kind of garbage possible!
That’s how I escaped my abuser. Exactly one year and three weeks from the day I vowed to break free, thanks to the help of an entire team of advocates, I pulled out of the driveway and never looked back. People told me afterward I should win an Oscar for my performance. ☺️
Well done, you! Former longtime Victim Advocate here, and the self control Survivors have is beyond amazing! Seeing your story made my heart swell with joy and pride, thank you for sharing! Best in your life of freedom! 👍❤️🙏💞🕊️
Took me a little longer but lots of careful planning. Go bags, stashing money. But in the end I left with 0 dollars, my car, and my two kids. I was alone since I was estranged from my family for over 20 years.
My Ex-husband did a bait-and-switch on me. He hid his extreme rage before we were married and let it all out afterwards. I have no doubt Tom did the same thing with Katie, hiding many things. I’m sorry she had to go through this.
@@rosebudame u don’t have to thank me it’s the truth I’m glad u liked it I wasn’t sure how to word smthg like that lol Happy Holidays to you as well!!!!❤️
I was never a fan of Katie Holmes, NOT because of any reason other than I’m older than her target demo was at the time. (She was absolutely brilliant on Ray Donovan!) I remember when she left Tom, I instantly was so impressed with her poise and the grit and determination it took to leave him as well as that “church”. Absolutely amazing.
She had her Father do alot of the "dirty, grit" work. Nothing "Amazing" about it when Katie had people who supported her. Meanwhile, Tom came around Katie while she was "dating" again. Something is fishy and doesn't add up.
I would love to know when Katie started to come down from cloud 9 and it began to dawn on her that this is nuts! Also at what point she decided she had to get out and began to plan her escape. I hope she writes a book someday.
I was in a cult ”organisation “ for six months. It was through much prayer, spiritual warfare and by the grace of God that my husband and I were able to get out.
sounds like you’re still in a cult, just a different godhead, the christian story is as ridiculous if not more than scientology. You clearly cannot trust your own instincts, be skeptical, belief in deities is not necessary, it’s counterproductive
My mum had to left my abuse step father, I had no idea the day we were leaving was the last day would see my friends at school without saying goodbye. It was dramatic. Well done to Katie and anyone who did that to protect their children and their life. Domestic abuse is REAL. I was aged 12, I am now 43. I'm healed from it now. I learned to forgive, but you can never forget.
I am happy to hear you have learned to forgive, I hope you've come to realize how brave that was of her, and why she couldn't tell you in advance, as well
With the way Tom destroyed Nicole Kidman in his divorce from her, Katie and her Dad were genius in the way they handled her divorce from Tom. And had her father not been a divorce lawyer this would be awhole different story. Tom must absolutely loath katie with how she so utterly undermined him.
@@tubingit1856 hardly! Look at the success of Top Gun. Hollywood will turn a blind eye to anything and everything as long as box office numbers are strong and that’s dependent upon a solid fan base.
Aaron’s story about the older lady with bad knees getting assigned to manual labor Bc she “didn’t stand up fast enough” for the Wee Admiral made my blood boil.
I think she knew and her father knew the day may come where she had to escape with Suri. The fact it only took 11 days to complete makes me feel like 1) she had a lot of dirt on them 2) this was in the works on her father's end from the beginning.
Those two people, the girl and the boy aren't really Tom or Nicole's. They were adopted, not Tom or Nicole's DNA...Tom and Nicole simply cared for them, supported them, not their genetic offspring.
They were adopted yes … Nicole is still the mother as she adopted them . How heartbreaking for her to loose her children that she loves to TC . Those kids are Scientologists .
@@michelehernandez4217Are you kidding me? What is wrong with you? Of course those are their children... They adopted them, they raised them, they love them.... You can't be serious. Nicole will always be their mother, unfortunately Tom will also always be there father
I remember being shocked by the announcement that Katie filed for divorce because 2 days earlier there was a picture of her and Tom walking hand in hand in Reykjavik Iceland. She has to have the ultimate poker face to pull that off.
I believe it also has got something to do with how Tom Cruise is out of touch with reality. A caring husband would not be fooled by the poker face and would feel that something was wrong. But he always was sooooo full of himself that he had no idea or interest in how his partner feels.
@@fridakahlo4225 He's probably a "malignant narcissist". He wouldn't be able to conceive of anyone going against his express wishes in any form. All you have to do with those kinds of people is smile, nod, agree and leave without any forwarding address or any kind of warning at all. Been there, done that.
If there's anything I've learned while attending "Dateline University" it's that planning and secrecy are absolutely essential and could even be a matter of life and death when it comes to escaping an abusive partner.
Back in the 90’s I was in the greater St Louis area & had to escape an auditing session! It was scary af. My 3 friends & I were downtown St Louis one day when someone asked if we wanted a free personality test. I was 19 & dumb af so of course we went. Almost as soon as we got there they separated us into two groups, then eventually divided the four of us completely. Once my auditing began I knew immediately something was "off". Let me be clear, at no time did these people announce that they were Scientology! The creepiest part was when my auditor started telling me that my violent r*pe was my fault. My father physically abusing me, my fault etc. I eventually faked needing the bathroom & found my friends & we ran out of there with two auditors chasing after us. It was creepy!
Same thing happened to me and 3 of my friends in L.A. in the 80's ... Free personality test is a scam .... Did you get like 100's of questions? Like do you whistle while you work? Crazy questions! Crazy situation for a teenager to get into.
@@julietteoscaralphanovember2223 yes. Exactly. We took a 'test' lol, in an open room right off Hollywood Blvd, it was like a hundred questions and then they took us to a back room where we were one on one with someone on a audit machine. Weird
We were in London (me and my then boyfriend) and went to a session about Dianetics, as it was then back in the 80s. We thought it was ludicricous and frankly bonkers but we had some difficulty getting out of the hall. They were extremely persistent. Luckiky we were living in Ireland and they lost interest when they heard that.
I remember following all this drama back in the day. A gossip columnist who I used to read regularly at the time was the only one I saw talking about what was going on with Katie Holmes, the wife auditions, Nazanin Bonaidi, and the escape. I wasn't a huge fan of hers or anything (I was mostly familiar with her from Dawson's Creek), but was pretty happy when she was finally able to escape.
I didn't know who Katie was when she was dating cruise, but after I heard how births and babies are handled in Scientology, I was hoping she'd get Suri out of there.
I think she is a damn good actress to have pulled off that escape. 🙏🏻😉 I never watched Dawsons creek, but I saw her in some little independent movie and she is really good.
The reason she had to be so secretive and prepare so well was not because she could not willingly leave or take Suri, but because of the risk of Tom getting any custody of Suri and Suri getting sucked into Scientology and losing her access to Suri, which were all real possibilities given what happened to Nicole and how she basically lost her kids when she divorced Tom.
If you watch Tom's interview with Oprah, Tom literally grabs Katie from behind and frog marches her out to the audience. He literally treats her like his possession. And this was at the beginning of their relationship before they were married. So can you imagine how controlling he would become once they were married. Scary. She had to plan her escape with military precision.
Any time I see any person put their hand on the back of their "partner's" neck, it gives me the chills; even if it seems to be 'affectionate'. Let alone frogmarching someone out into camera range.
@@uptick888 it was said in an interview that she had a crush on him since she was a young girl and jokingly mentioned that she would marry him someday. I guess in a crazy way, she manifested that, but obviously she had on rose colored glasses with him (after watching the Kidman divorce) I’m sure Tom and his crew had some convincing stories as to why their marriage didn’t work out and convinced Katie that Nicole was the problem and not the other way around. My guess
@@uptick888 she was young and swept away by a rich, famous actor. She obviously had no idea how bad things would get. But I get your point. She was an adult and should have seen the early warning signs.
I remember seeing Katie and Suri got see Tom. While Katie was with Tom, Katie's parents was moving her and Suri out of their apartment. Katie had got a different apartment and her parents was moving her and suri while helping set up their new place. Katie played the roll with Tom knowing when she got back she was already moved out and leaving Tom. I don't blame Katie at all.!!!
The feeling I felt when my first kid was born was the most love and connection I have felt. I can’t accurately describe the feeling. It was not learnt. It was instinctual
That's a feeling that can only be understood when you go through it, I was told that and I experienced it. I told someone I know that, before she gave birth and she assured me she loved her child already. I told her I know but it'll be different, afterwards she told me that she understands now what I was saying.
She got the apartment to establish a residence. The apartment was in her name only. That is critical in NYC. Genius on her dads part. Definitely think she had information too.
Well, I have luckily escaped Scientology 8 years ago, and I have been in it for 10 years by that time. I was raised by a couple of Scientologist. It is really terrifying once you start to understand how much of a scam it is and how obscured everything is. But on the divorce I can say a thing: Scientologists just never sue each other. It is against internal rules. I don’t deny that there is some dirt on DM, but absolutely sure that the trial would have been fast and easy any way. There is idea that all the conflicts must be solved inside the community, and if it is not possible on any reason, it must be quiet, fast, unnoticeable - for the sake of reputation. And also to prevent “entheta” from spreading, lol
there is no way I would ever be comfortable controlling the actions of another adult of sane mind who wasn't hurting anyone ever, under any circumstances, I do not have the right to make choices for anyone but myself
Thank you guys for continuing this conversation and exposing this cult ! We need to continue. My brother dated an amazing girl for 7 years (she was so sweet and a talented artist) she joined this cult and she became a zombie.
Tom held Nicole back in her career. Her career sky rocketed after she and Tom broke up. Tom at the time made it sound like Nicole did something horrible and it was all her fault. I remember hearing that so called leaked phone call.
I just don't get being sucked into something that controls every part of your life. And I am a senior citizen. So I have had lots of testing to know I can see right through them. Just the fact that some of these cults isolate people from their families is unbelievable to me.
@@louiseeckert1574as well as any other narcissist does in intimate relationship , not just intimate. They also apply the “divide and conquer “ technique
Fortunately, not all women are reckless enough to put themselves in that position. I'm amazed at the free pass she's getting on this. This is what happens when you make a deal with the devil.
@@mjt5576 i know its not a cult but i went to a university that acted very much like scientology. They told you what you wanted to hear and everyone you spoke to told the same rehearsed lies and once you moved everything, sold everything, moved to a new place had loans only the job you were studying for could pay you wete told if you didnt perform certain tasks you would fail. I had to sue and even then my lawyer took a pay off, powerful groups took credit for my work to change things, i was failed at the 11th hour and the dean of the school was friends with the governor and DA which left me witg nothing. Im also disabled so they caused so much stress i am now dying. I asked the right questions, made the right moves bcz i had grown up in an abusive household and went to a church that protected my abusors so i thought this would mever happen to me as an adult but it did. I never understood women who stayed in abusive situations until i was in a place where i had nowhere to go. I dont have holmes and cruise money, Katie was lucky she did, if i had maybe i wouldnt be dying.
Katie did everything right regarding leaving an abusive relationship. She planned in secret with a network, collected evidence, and then acted quickly. I am so so glad she got out. I am just sad that everyone but her thought it was a bad idea to date him. He is an absolute psycho. So many women have to do it alone and even our patriarchal system outside Scientology will enable the abusers first. Her father also drafted a solid pre-nup that sped up the divorce. Always get a solid pre-nup.
I had to do it alone and it was awful; I have always had a contentious and difficult relationship with my parents so when I finally worked up the courage to go talk to them about help getting out my gather said "we can't listen to this we have to stay neutral" it wasn't unexpected, but still felt like a knife in my back, it was hard to pack up with a six-month-old to take care of at the same time, luckily I had a neighbor who would watch him for an hour or so, and let me stash the boxes at her house til I found a place for us to move to and a job to support us which I was fortunate enough to have the computer skills to be able to do fairly quickly, but without her, it would not have happened, throughout the entire custody hearing nightmare no one from my family ever called to ask how it was going, or how we were which again, was not a surprise, but still hurt a lot
The fact she felt she HAD to escape is mind blowing and he STILL has a career and a good reputation . Thats hollywood , not shocking .Massive respect to Katy , she outsmarted a lot of people !
No, that's the basic premise of the United States of America. Freedom of religion. As insane as it sounds to a lot of people, Tom is allowed to believe in that. I'm glad she was able to get out of a situation that was unhappy/unhealthy. But many churches do this kind of mental/emotional abuse, not just Scientology. Across the world, not just the US. And no one should be persecuted for being Catholic/Baptist/Jewish/SDA/Muslim/Buddhist/Scientologist as long as they are not committing illegal acts because of their beliefs. I feel strongly about this because I'm an atheist. And I feel uncomfortable saying so sometimes. Imagine living somewhere you knew you literally could be jailed for your beliefs.
@@williamj.dovejr.8613I have the same feelings and determination even now that I don’t have children imagine what a tiger mom I would become if I’ll ever have children 😂❤ 💪🏻 it is a protective instinct that you have for people and pets that you love.
My first knowledge of Scientology was when an old friend took the leap into that insanity. He escaped but they hounded him for twenty years. This was in the 60s or early 70s.
Depending on the state physically stopping a person from "moving" / leaving a room, a building etc can be an assault and in other states it can be considered kidnapping.
Yes. I’m Indiana it’s called false imprisonment. If someone even blocks a doorway preventing another person from leaving. I’m not sure about now but at one point it’s illegal to lock doors in a building and not allowing a person or persons access to leave. Even if it’s not intent to commit a crime.
Yeah I know in NY it can be considered unlawful imprisonment. I know that sounds like locking someone up but it can be something like trying to stand in a doorway.
@@cazsmith2358 They can think that all they want however its not how the law works. I would have 0 issues arresting scientologists for obstruction + for interfering in my investigations.
I was listening to a woman on RU-vid, who is an expert on cults, discussing various answers to questions that people had for her, and she was asked about Scientology. She quickly said, “I don’t talk about Scientology,” and I wondered if that’s because they have threatened her with lawsuits or what?
But where’s the comment about the musings on how parents don’t really love their children??? Aaron already said the opposite, and he’s made his love for his kids and wife clear in other videos. What does he mean, “you make some points?” Of course some people don’t, and no one should be forced to have kids. But some people certainly do. Read all the comments about Katie Holmes’s Dad if you have any doubts
Don’t forget, Shelly Miscavige was thinking of leaving David. She hasn’t been seen since. You can be sure she is locked up somewhere in some prison, if indeed she is still alive!
Leah Remini has talked about that in her series about Scientology as they were friends. She was at Tom Cruises wedding to Katie and asked where is Shelley? That’s what started her journey to leave.
My dad married a crazy woman and decided one month before i started college that he would not pay. He made too much money for me to be eligible for any aid at all. This was until i was 23. I just couldn't go. Then he just stopped speaking to me. Never spoke to me again. I was 17 yrs old. That was over 20 yrs ago. Parents dont always love their kids.
I feel so sorry for what poor Katie Holmes lived through, sounds like a nightmare (prison). Tom and David both sound like controlling narcissists, so glad she's free now and living a happier life with her daughter.
"Poor Katie Holmes"? That's hysterical. Feeling sorry for a beautiful, rich, successful woman, and apparently, a well-protected and well-loved daughter. Yeah, I can see your point.
It makes you wonder how many of these famous people in Scientology really don’t want to be there anymore but either feel stuck or have quite literally been caught trying to leave and are now “in trouble” for it and being watched/controlled more closely
Wonder how many of them MUTUALLY want to leave, but are too afraid of everyone around them drawing attention. Like, three people that work together, all three secretly want to leave, none of them say anything to the other two for fear that they’d be “the odd man out”, and be disciplined. All of them thinking each other is a staunch Scientologist since everyone would be feigning loyalty... What a sad prospect...
I don't know exactly how to describe the moment both of my sons were born. i knew I "loved" them but it was surreal, I was happy, I was shocked, it was the biggest moments of my life. I will say that after holding by sons and spending time with them over the next few days and weeks I definitely felt a strong loving and protective connection towards them. I immediately thought of how cruel the world can be and had a few moments of anxiety because I didn't know now to 100% protect them from the ills of the world and came to the conclusion I really couldn't. My personal relationship with both my sons has been one that as they grow up (they are 10 and 12 now) I grow to love them more. All humans are very different and experience parenthood differently. If someone feels indifference or resentment towards their children when they are born I would be very concerned.
Are we gonna pretend most of us didn't believe that Tom wasn't romantically interested in Katie anyway. She was a prop. I am betting David is his real partner.
@@jamesrobbins1243 Tom was attracted to her blind idolization of him. She had his poster on her wall as a teenager and was clearly enthralled with him when they started dating. His ego and arrogance are huge. He thought her awe of him, as well as her younger age, would make her compliant and easily controllable.
Tom Cruise called Katie Holmes and said, “I think you’re an amazing actress.” Within two days she was gone from her family. According to someone who knew her.
Great questions, Adam. The challenges that the average person would have faced leaving that situation were no doubt amplified by Katie’s celebrity status. Her willingness to escalate to a physical level would have lead to misinformation in the press, and Katie’s custody of Suri being challenged for sure. It would have backfired, as it did with Nicole.
I don't know about the unconditional love, and paternal bond that a man feels when he becomes a father, but speaking on my own experience....the maternal instinct was so strong, and powerful, and instantaneous. I couldn't have stopped it if I tried! Unconditional love doesn't even adequately describe the magnitude of that feeling when I first layed my eyes on that tiny little human. My entire existence, and everything I ever thought love was changed! It breaks my heart to think that not everyone would feel that when they create a life, and hold it in their arms.
Yes if we look at what Tom Cruise did to catch Catherine off guard going up the step. It was so gross and she prevented it the second time he attempted it again on her. They probably would never invite him again in his life.
I planned for 6 mo to leave my ex husband! There were lots of details and small bits that had to be down to the minute. I moved 4 hours away and had a place already decided for me and my animals! You have to be a good actress to not make them suspicious 🤨
For me and my experience in becoming a mother, the love I felt when I first laid my eyes on my son, the feelings of love were extremely intense and instant. After 24 hours it was like I couldn’t remember life without him. As though I’d always been his mom. He’s almost 40 now. That feeling of love for him has only grown. I can’t imagine thinking about my son in the way scientology believes one should be with their children. It’s totally suppressive. How people get so intrenched into any religion is something I can’t relate to. I’m good without god. ✨💝🌍💝✨
People can be good people without religion. Not trying to offend anyone....but I think religion teaches you how to be good when you don't know how to be good on your own. If you need it, great, but some of us can be good without God/religion.
It seems like you could almost describe Katie's exit and divorce from Tom as "surgical." Done with surgical precision and greatly improved life results and prognosis for happiness!
One thing to consider when wondering if Katie would have been willing to escalate if she was being physically "handled." When push comes to shove (no pun intended), Katie's Mama Bear instincts would have kicked in, so to speak, and I believe in that type of scenario she would have been willing to do what was necessary. Plus I suspect her father would have possibly prepared her for that scenario should it happen.
We as the public can do an important thing to help Katie & Siri- we can talk all about Tom being a narcissist or monster, but let's be careful to not create any incentive for Tom to stop ignoring his daughter. The worst thing for Katie & Siri now would be for anything to provoke Tom to foist himself on Siri so he can look like a "good Dad" in the media. Good for Katie in all her good choices. We all cheer for her and Siri & wish them the very best in life 💙
Andrew - NO. All animals feel a bond to their off spring. I am a farmer, we have EVERY farm animal you can own and EVERY SINGLE ONE will fight you for their newborn. A Chicken will fight you over her EGG that she layer and is yet to even hatch. Where this happens to NOT be the case is where NARCISSIST become parents. Their SOLE MOTIVE is self survival. They ONLY CARE about THEIR COMFORT, THEIR APPEARANCE & THEIR SURVIVAL. If anyone of those have to vary in any manor or become affected in any manor their offspring pays the price. That has nothing to do with Humanity or social constructs. That has to do with MENTAL ILLNESS & CRUDE SELFISHNESS. Those same creatures will take the life of their own creation to make sure ANY OF THOSE THREE DEMANDS ARE MET. You take a new mother & seperate her from her crying newborn and watch what happens. It will not only drive her mad but it PHYSICALLY will cause her breast to began lactating. The connection with your child is a VERY REAL THING. Fathers & Mothers have to build on that bond. The more you care for that child your love grows like any relationship. A mother might not have overtly mother instincts or be so exhausted that she is just in a fog, but her CHEMISTRY of her body KNOWS. It's the same as women who all work together or live together all menstrate in unison. They can all be unrelated too. There is much bigger things going on in this world on a primal level. Watch the docentary about the Ukrainian little girl raised by neighborhood dogs.
All involved in the rescue deserves an award, to her dad best director , ,Katie an Oscar Suri no longer has to be Siri s sister , the honourary award to the author of the manuscript . Devine intervention when your dealing with that kind of level of evil .
I have never read or heard anybody say why Katie left at that specific time, but Suri had just turned 6 when she did, and at that age kids would put in the Sea Org, and I am sure Katie didn't want to lose her child to that, so that is why she had to get out at that specific time.
Wow, the similarities between this scenario and a narcissistic relationship are uncanny, I can’t even begin to tell you, I had to plan ahead for months to be able to leave my husband who is a covert narcissist, i knew the ramifications if I hadn’t of, there’s absolutely NO WAY I would have EVER made it out if I wouldn’t have, he would have rather seen me dead than to see me or let me walk out the door, in his eyes he owned me and it was as simple as that. And another crazy thing is he also acted as if his children weren’t his children, as if they didn’t exist, NONE of us existed in his eyes, UNLESS we tried to walk out the door, it’s definitely pure hell feeling like your in a cult versus a marriage, I don’t think i would wish it on my worst enemy, the emotional pain & mental abuse is life altering, but i will get through it, you have to go through to get to sometimes, #thistoshallpass
@@LumiSisuSusi sadly so many of us either have or are still dealing with these types of people in our lives, we’re all in this together and I hope & pray we all make it out 🙏🏻❤️🩹
Right, and I'm sure her father had also reviewed the contract drawn up prior to the marriage arrangement, as well. He probably simply didn't know how bad it was going to get for his daughter.